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02/20/2012 1:29:00 AM
You are an idiot. A fucking moron for supporting McCain. You and any other dumbass that likes to felate McCain should do the world a favor and kill yourselves.
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02/20/2012 1:27:00 AM
McCain is a piece of shit traitor, even if claims of him turning over info to the Vietnamese is false. McCain and Carl levin penned the ndaa legislation that the liar treasonous piece of shit in chief, obama signed on new years eve 2011.
For the ignorant out there, the ndaa stands for "national defense authorization act" a bill, now a law, that allows military to detain US citizens who the piece of shit department of homeland "security" (hahahaha) deems "terrorists".
I can only hope that Iran really does have nukes that can reach the USA, and that the fire them off and John mccains house is one of their targets.
Fuck you McCain you treasonous traitor. And fuck you too Carl levin and Obama.
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Ken Davy 11/11/2008 12:44:00 AM
These people have no shame and no brains! So they really think Viet Nam would still be holding live POWs over 30 years after the war? To what end? Any troop placements they could have given knowledge of are long since gone. The military hardware they knew is mostly obsolete. And to bolster their cause these people attack a valiant GI who kept true faith and allegiance with his fellows for over 5 years in one of the worst hell-holes since the Bataan Death March? Shame on you people! As evidence that he was not tortured, they offer testimony from Vietnamese soldiers who would face war crime charges if they admitted the torture. Brilliant! They point to special treatment the Vietnamese gave to McCain when they found out his father was an admiral. Wake up! They were trying to use him and it was their idea, not his. He turned down their offer to repatriate him early, in keeping with the Code of Conduct. Subsequently he endured 5 more years of captivity and torture along with his fellow GIs! Over thirty years later you people are going to try and say it all was a fabrication? This kind of revisionist crap has got to stop! History is history! Don't you people know that the United States military does a thorough debriefing of every POW we repatriate? Don't you think John McCain would have been charged with treason or at least dereliction of duty if your allegations were only partly true? It's obvious to me that some people have far too much time and money on their hands when they indulge in witch hunts like this. By the way, if John McCain had messed up by leaving his arms and legs outside the safe zone when he ejected, he would have come away from the jet without them. Those ejector seats are not gentle. Grow up and leave this man alone! I won't call him a hero, not because I don't believe he is one, but because I know that those of us who have been to see the elephant are of the mind that the people who didn't come back are the actual heroes. Thank you so much for your valiant service, Commander McCain and welcome home!
MSgt Kenneth A. Davy, USAF (Ret)
Lest we forget!
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Carlos Navarro 11/01/2008 2:10:00 PM
It is generally taken for granted that because of his prisoner-of-war record war John McCain is an expert on natural security and foreign policy issues, and, furthermore, that his character is above reproach. But after observing his small-minded, mean-spirited performance on the campaign trail (he�s no James Stockdale), I�m beginning to have serious doubts about him.
He claims to know how to win wars and that his mettle in dealing with national crises has been thoroughly tested. But how many wars has he actually won and what national crises has ever faced?
Would he have been admitted to the Naval Academy if both his father and grandfather hadn�t been influential alumnae? And given the fact that he graduated fifth from the bottom of his class, how much did he actually learn about the art of warfare?
He had been serving in Vietnam for only three months before his plane was shot down, and then was held prisoner for five years. So how could he have known what was taking place on the ground, where the war was being fought? What was the extent of his actual combat experience?
Those injuries to his arms and legs, where they inflicted under torture by his North Vietnamese guards, as is commonly believed, or were the injuries sustained when his plane crashed? And once his captors realized he was the son of an important admiral, a prized propaganda asset, would they have risked subjecting him to the same ordeal as an ordinary prisoner?
In his visits to foreign countries, did he confer with local community leaders, meet with ordinary citizens, study their history and learn about their customs beforehand; or was he merely escorted around by high government officials and military brass telling him what they wanted him to hear?
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Kwaayesnama 09/23/2008 3:49:00 PM
Get over the War hero bull! I attended the Medal of Honor winner�s convention in Denver this past weekend. There were almost 100 true heroes� there. Do we owe the White House as payment to all of those wonderful war hero�s? I do not care if a candidate is a war hero, I do not care is a candidate is a republican or a democrat. I do not care is a candidate is black or white. All I care about is if the candidate is intelligent enough to get this nation out of the mess we are in now.
I am an Arizona Republican but I will not be voting for John McCain. Why? Because, with the problems in the US and the world is facing today the nation needs intelligence in the White House.
Lets see my choice is John McCain or that smart black man Barack Obama?
McCain who does not know how to use a computer but is willing to learn if we elect him � I�ll just vote for that smart black man.
John McCain who says the economic downturn is psychological? - Na! I'll vote for the smart black man.
McCain who says you are better off under George Bush? - Nope I'll vote for the smart black man.
Mc Cain who wants to continue killing more people looking for weapons of mass destruction that do not exist? - Gee! I'll vote for the smart black man.
McCain who believes that we should stay the course but is not willing to support the people he puts in harms way. - I'll take a chance on the smart black man.
Should I vote for a man that does not know that 9-11 was caused by Osama Bin Laden not Sedam Hussein? - Easy! I'll vote for the smart black man.
Vote for the man who does not know if the Sunnis or Sheits are our enemies? - No way I'll vote for the smart black man.
Vote for the man who helped put our government on the China, Saudi Arabia credit card? - Not a chance I'll vote for the smart black man.
Vote for the man with the worst temper in the Senate to have his finger on the nuclear button? - No way - I�M VOTING FOR THE SMART BLACK MAN, Barack Obama.
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Jennifer 09/18/2008 7:18:00 PM
To the 1. poster. Wow, do you honestly believe just because someone is a senator is more credible? Let's take a look at another person who was high in power, how about Spitzer? Oh yeah, he's trustworthy. Oh, and I bet you believe Bush has done everything right in life too, don't you?
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Dean Feece 09/12/2008 2:16:00 AM
The guy that is spreading this crap is a ASS CLOWN!
He wishes he had half the testicular fortatude of John The hero McCain. What a Jerk
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MIKE WOLF 09/08/2008 5:15:00 PM
what could any of the prisoners tell their captors under torture? that hanoi would continue to be bombed? from what ship they flew if they were navy fliers? that the vietnamese tortured proves the futility of torture just as the current u.s. gulag's and renditions do, which however in some instances might get some valuable information. so why torture? so that potential prisoners might take fright??? that mcain was not as responsive as he might have been on the m.i.a. issue is a bit surprising: always keep an open mind. if the north vietnamese have film of his confessing under torture, probably to nonsense he made up to survive - that's what you do under those circumstances, to sow disinformation, to keep the idiot torturers busy, buy yourself some time - it would of course prove embarrassing, but who knows: if they had it, they may have destroyed it in exchange for normalization. i really like mccain for putting the war, the crime that the u.s. committed there behind him! will he be as smart when it comes to cuba if he is president? only a republican can stop that embargo madness. what is odd is that though evidently the worst kind of party animal he was young man, he then proceeded to be again upon his return. i much like the quote from the cuban psychiatrist: "" He showed himself to be intellectually alert during the interview. >From a morale point of view he is not in traumatic shock. He is neither dejected nor depressed. He was able to be sarcastic, and even humorous, indicative of psychic equilibrium. From the moral and ideological point of view he showed us he is an insensitive individual without human depth, who does not show the slightest concern, who does not appear to have thought about the criminal acts he committed against a population from the absolute impunity of his airplane, and that nevertheless those people saved his life, fed him, and looked after his health, and he is now healthy and strong. I believe that he has bombed densely populated places for sport. I noted that he was hardened, that he spoke of banal things as if he were at a cocktail party." That kind of callousness is typical of your u.s. party boy and makes him a fitting president to go to war with russia. if you thought the current ex party boy was a foolish and incompetent war criminal, in mccain the country will have a truly hard hearted hardened war criminal as president.
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Ron 09/06/2008 10:39:00 PM
I don't think that John McCain can claim to be a hero himself. Vietnam had hundreds of thousands of hero's, but I am afraid that McCain was really just a surviving prisoner. Can you name the other prisoners that we all saw leave North Vietnam? No! We remember McCain and maybe Stockton because they have been hailed as hero's in the attempt to make the American people feel like we owe them more than honor. Believe me I honor soldiers, sailors and marines. I was one during McCain's era. I feel empathy for prisoners that were tortured, but until we can name ALL of those that fit that profile and call them heros, McCain is just a survivor.
John McCain may claim that everyone in the United States has the same opportunity to "make it" to the American Dream, but coming from a place of privilage, he does not relate to my wife, sons and myself. I have been a tradesman since leaving the Navy in 1976 and I make the same dollar per hour as I did in 1985. I once had insurance that cost me about $150 per month to cover myself and family. That same insurance now costs me $735 per month. I have to say that if The United States of America can't get back higher paying manufacturing jobs, not only will the working men and women suffer further, we have sacrificed our National Defense. What would we do in case of all out war, buy steel from China?
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Anon 09/04/2008 3:20:00 PM
How can anyone say that a person's past is irrelevant to the political post he/she is seeking? The past reveals EVERYTHING!!! How can you trust someone who can't be trusted?
Open your blind eyes!
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Robert L. Schoenwald 09/03/2008 6:25:00 PM
Reading this article was a monumental waste of time.
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jb4wm637 09/03/2008 4:34:00 AM
Anything I planned on saying has been done so already (thx to those of you that have a handle on English). If you are going to point the finger of ignorance please AT THE VERY LEAST spell the word correctly and present your thoughts in a grammatically correct fashion. It is really amusing that almost every pro-mccain post is filled with misspelled words and timeworn propaganda. Please get a life and get off the bandwagon.
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Kerry 08/26/2008 8:53:00 PM
Does being a POW automatically make you a hero or does it take someone who saves lives or does something heroic?
I am so sick and tired of hearing McCain use his POW experience to explain away any and all issues. I had friends who went to Vietnam who acutally received medals of heroism saving lives and never were taken prisoners.
I read and hear more and more BS & lies coming out of McCains campaign that not even torture during Vietnam would make break McCain..What did his campaign people do, waterboard him to lie and change so much since 2000?
He's scarier than Bush ever could be...
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Edward Ashley-Smith 08/19/2008 5:45:00 PM
There are many facts which by themselves speak very highly for Senator McCain. For one, he spent at least two years in solitary confinement -and the rest. Details on Wikipaedia. He got to fly jets as a Navy Pilot. Beat that you bums. He would not have flown operationally if his qualities were not lauded by his CO. He would not have know what was going on when he nearly drowned, with two broken arms and a smashed leg. He was very lucky to live throught it. He had witnessed who are indisputable. In my view a great American and certainy would not tolerate idiots lightly. Jolly good luck to him and American, you sure do need it.
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Robert Townsend 06/27/2008 7:30:00 PM
I am a well decorated Vietnam Veteran, honorably discharged. I get disabilties for Post-Traumatic-Sress-Disorder and Luekemia related to agent orange. When Ed Bradley the newsman died I new it was because of complication relate to C.L.L. a form of luekemia related to Agent Orange. McCain has sold me out on several ocassions. 1. He disgraces his awards which he and I both earned. He sold-out as a POW, he did not support the POW movement of which I was a part and a member of the National League of families. I could go on but have limited space. I had about $20,000 in Lincoln savings and Loan. I have never seen him at a VietNam Veteran function, which I have attended many, including about 5 "Rolling Thunder" Parades. In my mind I don't think he will survive 1 termm as president. Please celebrate real American Heros. Has he paid any greater price than I?
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Dubhbairn 06/20/2008 6:24:00 PM
Dictionary definition of "Ignorant": Unlearned. Showing lack of knowledge or training. Oblivious to basic knowledge.
I find it ironic that you can't SPELL, TYPE or USE GRAMMAR correctly in a sentence. Your name is a curse word. You are a JOKE! lol You said people that were against McCain were ignorant, and YOU EVEN MISSPELLED "IGNORANT"! ROFL! What does that say about you? IT says that YOU are the uneducated, ignorant one... And he's a "SENATOR". By your spelling, you dodn't make it through grade school I'm guessing... A FINE example you are to all the other uneducated idiots out there.... lol
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Ron 05/31/2008 7:07:00 PM
McCain should be dragged through the streets and beaten for his ways. The man Turned on all of us. I was there.
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jamestanner 05/28/2008 9:41:00 PM
Can any of you idiot republicans spell ignorant on this sight. Doesnt look like it and for all you "hero McCain" followers why dont you all enlist or re-enlist, go to Iraq, send the innocent children who dont really understand why they are there home, and get YOUR pellet sized brains blown out of YOUR heads.
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Chui 05/23/2008 2:57:00 PM
There are a lot extraneous issues of nor value. I am not a fan of these MIA organizations but I concerns for their feelings. However it is all water under the bridge and time to move on and live.
I find McCain a totally preferentially treated elite, gun ho military type who wraps himself in the flag with his hypocrite patriotism. This code of conduct is just all a hog wash. McCain and other POWs that pilots knew no operational military secrets or any plans about anything other then their missions, prior to when they were downed or captured. Who cares what carrier they originated from. The whole world knew which carriers were operational in Nam.
The Vietnam military could not verify what mission and who flew what. McCain and POW could just lie through their teeth and just be consistent. He and other from the carriers had no real information to give.
This so called heroism about first imprisoned and first to be released is all a bunch of carp under the conditions and circumstances. The imprisonment and release is not a decision the POWs make but the people and authority that keep people as POWs. If they wanted to release McCain, nothing he could do. All they had to do was turn him over to his side. There is nothing heroic to stick around as a POW and fight the war from that position.
McCain and his arguments about the adverse effects on his father's career is all hog wash with no credibility.
All his decorations medals for the 23 bombing mission targeting civilian areas and killing innocent people are meaningless indiscriminate killing. Does anybody doubt that these gun ho cowboys like McCain and Lt. Kelly of the Mylai incidents were heroes. Our Government and DOD covered up a whole pile of crap that went on in Vietnam and things did not change much better in the Iraq or Afghanistan war.
I find McCain's account totally incredible and his preferential from his admission to the Naval Academy and graduating at the bottom of his class a clear indication that he had no real merit. His being a POW for 5.5 years for most parts per his own admission seems to be self imposed.
This code of conduct unless of course cooperating with the enemy and providing real military secrets , which McCain did not have is is all a lot of bull. As a son of an admiral who commanded the Pacific Naval operations he was a valuable prisoner or a tool and the enemy holding on to him makes more sense then offering him early release.
McCain's story has holes the size of his megalomaniac self.As a son of an Admiral not only did get preferential treatment but decorations to the hilt that he did not deserve. It is all a part of the privileged ritual for the elite.
McCain's received the medical treatment that the Vietnamese accorded that was available to the best of their ability. When he was short down and considering his condition, he would have drowned had not that poor farmer saved his life.
Of course the enemy wanted information from him but Geneva convection or not, they could have let McCain die of his injuries. They put him in a body caste and fixed him up just shows that there was some extra ordinary something going on.
Then again McCain recognized that Vietnamese Col. who defected and there is a definite link some where in their.
What is more bothersome is that after McCain was ushered in before Nixon, the US Navy offered his a choice to pick his own assignment. That is highly unusual and preferential treatment to the hilt because not many other POWs had the same privilege. McCain picked the War College, which is normally reserved for higher ranks with merit. McCain graduating at the bottom of his class, having destroyed two fighter jets and being a POW for five years had no merit to that War College Admission. Had he not been the son of the Admiral, the Navy would have discharged him.
McCain not having any compassion for MIAs and other POWs just shows his elite nature and status.
At the Plantation he was not a senior officer and the two who were cite no real evidence of torture. McCain's version is not credible.
The bigger question is why the DOD or they US Navy does not release McCain's medical record after his release as a POW and what the Naval Hospital doctors found about his condition etc.
As to his current fitness, he needs to be examined by an independent panel of experts for his physical, medial, mental and psychological health and status.
His Vietnam military experience is irrelevant to the Office he is seeking. His age, gun ho military attitude, wanting a continuation of the Iraq war and winning in Iraq, when there is nothing to win there and hype about patriotism and the crap bad for this country and the alienation and polarization that we already suffer.
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Patriot 05/23/2008 12:36:00 AM
You people that are against McCain are ignorent. I read all of one minute of what you people wrote and I stopped. You people are haters and ignorent as well. Thats why that guy that was talking bad about McCain drives a bus and McCain is a senitor. You have no proof and I would like to see how long you all would last at Hanoi. All of two days or two minutes I'M sure. BE SURE TO JUMP IN A LAKE AND STAY THERE FOR ME!!!!!!!
-First learn how to write. It is ignorant and Senator. Not Senitor. Sounds like you are writing spanglish. McCain's nickname was songbird. He was a sell out and i firmly believe that. Why is it that if someone gets shot down and captured they are a war hero. But someone who rightfully earns a silver star, or a bronze star, or two purple hearts, such as my grandfather did gets seldom attention. Oh that is write, McCains dad was a fleet commander so he gets special privelege. McCain is a war hero and i have more money than Bill Gates.
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CoachK 05/16/2008 2:42:00 PM
Traitor John or Johnnie PlaneCrash wants to run the country,as the new Dr.Strangelove. Who was worse Hanoi Jane or Johnny Nightingale?
Is it too late for Treason charges for both?
His arrogance and treatment of the wives,famiies and relatives of POW's and MIA's is horrfic. Mitt Romney, a prominent Republican went on to uncover more about him and it's most revealing about his character over the decades.See South Carolinians for Romney site.There is also an enlightening book by Timberg , a fellow Annapolis grad.Knd of absurd that the guy at the bottom of his class at Yale wants to be followed by the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy? Show's us just what the priviliged can pull off.
It's time to release any and all documents from that Vietnam timeframe and expose it all.Let all our troops around the globe see how the "Lie at all costs" mentality has lead to their ill treatment and eventual forget about them process,yet again; these priviliged people and politicians utilize under the supposed banner of patriotism. We went from the "Domino Theory" to Weapons of Mass Destruction hallucinations to beat their drums of fallacy and death.
What is Johnny Nightingale afraid of,the TRUTH perhaps?
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Rudolf Helder 05/07/2008 7:18:00 PM
For a short essay on what defines a hero and why that title doesn't apply to John McCain:
http://hawaiihubbub.blogspot.com/2008/05/john-mccain-hero-or-traitor.html
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Kelsey 02/28/2008 5:03:00 PM
this is a load of crap!!! whoever believes this stuff is pathetic!!! no offense but its my own opinion.
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EnderW 02/13/2008 8:36:00 PM
McCain is a freaking traitor, and the public should know about it. It's no wonder that McCain made a deal in Hanoi to keep the interrogation records of POWs from being released to the public as they should be. The American public has a right to have the interrogation and camp records of those who turned traitor!
After what they did to Kerry, the truth of McCain's TREASON will be nice revenge. Republicans can only blame themselves. You'll NEVER want to swift-boat us again by the time we are done with McCain!
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Mycroft 02/07/2008 9:11:00 PM
I think that this article, written in 1999, is still the most balanced available on the topic. I wish only that it had contained some actual facts about the US Military Code of Conduct.
Whether or not you like John McCain, or whether or not you support him for President, should be your own decision -- aided by facts about (a) what McCain did and (b) what the Code requires. It's amazing how many have misrepresented the US Military Code of Conduct to brand McCain a "traitor" because he promised to, or even because he gave interviews and signed a statement under duress.
Here's the code:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/codeofconduct5.htm
As far as I'm concerned, John McCain upheld the Code in every way possible. I challenge anyone to read the Code and then objectively conclude otherwise.
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terri 02/06/2008 1:50:00 AM
Those of you who say McCain is a collaborator. And Bush and McCain go together? Must not have been following the news for the last 8 years up to today. He condemns Bush at all his rallies on several points: the war, the economy etc... and that has been since he was all washed up and no one thought he had a chance.
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terri 02/06/2008 1:45:00 AM
Bullshit, you all are the ignorant liars.
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roger daminger 01/30/2008 12:07:00 PM
John McCain is a War Hero. To do five years in a P>O>W camp is no small thing. God Bless John Mc Cain.
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Chad_Underdonk 01/25/2008 11:46:00 AM
Mrs. Silverman,
Thank you for this article. I had run across some anti-McCain information and had no credibly researched and balanced information to compare it to. I was not a bit concerned with what Mr. McCain had done while in captivity, but his actions as an elected official while dealing with MIA/POW issues were certainly an issue with me.
Honestly, I truly detest the man's politics and mannerisms so I am probably more inclined to believe that he could be abusive of the MIA/POW crowd, but without first hand proof or knowledge I will certainly not raise the question on other sites other than pointing them to this article to make their own decisions if the issue comes up.
There does seem to be a couple issues undiscussed from the claims of the McCain haters that was not addressed in this article. According to them he put a lot of roadblocks in the way of people who were interested in petitioning the government for intelligence documents related to MIA/POW issues. Supposedly he also watered down penalties for bureaucrats who may have committed malfeasance on these issues. And lastly when new legislation was attempted to create a timely chain of reporting (closer to the unit level of reporting) for NEW MIA/POW cases in current conflicts he opposed them. If you expand this article at some point I would like to see a representation of his comments/viewpoints on these statements as well.
As for anyone bashing Mrs Silverman I would ask that your rethink your stance. She has provided a researched, balanced, informative look at this issue that might otherwise not have been available to a lot of people who wanted another source (other than the McCain haters)to come to conclusions of their own. I favor another candidate who has also been targeted with a smear campaign. Compared to some of the heavily biased pieces used to smear candidates this is a good multi-sided information and debunking article that illustrates what good journalism really is.
As it concerns my comments, bash away if you like. I listed my real name because I'm not afraid to stand by what I believe or what I say.
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LRRPRANGER1967 01/18/2008 9:55:00 PM
What Scum!!! Knowing McCain could have left captivity and choose to stay until all were free shows the world what a hero he is. On the other hand you cowards suck big time. How many of you pussys would have faced years of imprisonment and torture like he CHOOSE to do to say to the commies NO WAY JACKOFFS.
Please sdrop dead
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Steven Terry 01/12/2008 6:37:00 PM
Bush and McCain--birds of a feather.
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Kal 12/27/2007 3:45:00 AM
What is sad is that our once great people became "sheeple" who flock towards tabloid journalism like this piece. So, it is not surprising that Amy Silverman (and her editor) would find fortune in this and draw even more attention to this garbage. I wonder how many of you talk about all the hell those who even survived Nam had to contend with at home. In a land run by the cowards who hid (can you say Cheney?), everything is possible. Leave McCain alone, he served and his son is IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW!!! How ugly it is that your paper exploits the on going emotional nightmare of a few veterans for your own profit! Shame on you!
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Fawn 12/20/2007 2:26:00 PM
Those of you who do not support senator Mccain, should at least make an attempt to sound intelligent by choosing not to support him for his stances on issues, and his voting record. Give me a freaking break!! To try and insult a man who was a Prisoner of War for 5 and 1/2 years? That is pathetic. Reavaluate your lives.
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Matthew 10/30/2007 10:37:00 AM
Did this man from Mesa ever serve any time in a VC prison camp where he was tortured constantly? I don't think so. I dismiss all of his claims because they are rubbish. John McCain is a great American patriot and should be honored for his valour and heroism.
