By Alan Scherstuhl
By Chris Packham
By Robrt L. Pela
By Claire Lawton
By New Times Staff
By Claire Lawton
By Robrt L. Pela
By Robrt L. Pela
ASU law professor Gary Lowenthal wrote a book about interning in the Maricopa County Attorney's Office. Down and Dirty Justice went easy on Rick Romley and his staff for standards and practices that others have widely disparaged, but word is that Romley and pals aren't amused by Lowenthal's book.
New Times: What's a law professor doing interning in the County Attorney's Office?
Gary Lowenthal: I'd been teaching at ASU for more than two decades, and felt increasingly out of touch with the world of law practice. I had a sabbatical coming up and thought I'd like to write a book about the criminal justice system.
NT: In your book, Romley's office comes off as mostly caring about its win-loss record.
Lowenthal: That's a little harsh, but not unfair. A more positive spin would be that they have limited resources, and the police submit to them many more cases than they can handle. They don't want too many cases to go to trial because it ties up resources, and as a result they'll only charge cases they know they can win. And they'll plea-bargain as many cases as they can to make it look like they're winning even more.
NT: So Romley's looking for slam-dunks.
Lowenthal: Oh, absolutely. For every Bishop O'Brien, there are 10,000 defendants we never learn about, even when they commit very serious crimes. If in fact there are [cases that] look like they're going to be time-consuming or are going to be lost, they'll just ship them back to the police and say, "You do the work if you want this case charged." So very often people who commit serious crimes are never prosecuted.
NT: Gee. Maybe I'll knock over a bank on my way home today.
Lowenthal: The reason I call my book Down and Dirty Justice is that it's all about that kind of bargain justice. It's a system that's run for administrative efficiency, to get the messy cases out of the system, to just go with the slam-dunks.
NT: You suggest that your training was partly designed to shield the county attorney from blame if you blew a case.
Lowenthal: It was an odd training program. We sat in the basement of the County Attorney's Office, and just listened to one lecture after another, unconnected, with a huge amount of information thrown at us. There was no way of assessing whether we were absorbing the information, and there was no test at the end. After a while I realized that the reason for this program was, if we screwed up on anything later on, Romley's office could say, "We covered that in training."
NT: You discovered that many of the attorneys in the major felony division had less than two years' experience. Remind me not to rely on a prosecutor from the County Attorney's Office anytime soon!
Lowenthal: When I was there, it was a serious problem, and I'm told it's as bad or even worse today. There's a high turnover; every week there are lawyers leaving that office. The county attorney requires that new hires pledge that they'll stay two years, and if someone even talks to another employer during that time, they're kicked out. They box 'em up and move 'em out on the spot. At the two-year point, you find an enormous amount of deputy attorneys leaving the office. So you have a few people who've been around for a number of years, some who aren't stellar, and a lot of lawyers who don't have much experience.
NT: I get the impression that there are a lot of high-pressure tactics used to convince defendants to waive their trial rights and plead guilty.
Lowenthal: Absolutely. To try to get [as many cases] out of the system as possible, the policy is to make the best offer that's going to be made at the preliminary hearing and make it only available then, and never again.
NT: It's like you're a used-car salesman: "Act now -- this offer won't come again!"
Lowenthal: Sometimes I felt like a used-car salesman.
NT: As a law professor, were you embarrassed by the way law is being practiced here?
Lowenthal: In some ways I was. But I was also taken with the commitment and dedication of many people I worked with and against. They get dumped on all the time, they don't get good pay, yet they still do it and do it very well. I was heartened by that. On the other hand, I was embarrassed by the sloppiness, lack of preparation, and lack of respect for judges and civilians.
NT: You tell us, at the end of your book, that the system is flawed, and that we must do better. But you don't tell us how.
Lowenthal: Well, the training given to lawyers who work in public agencies needs to improve dramatically. We need to not tolerate unprofessional behavior by lawyers. We need to refocus on the sentencing laws in this state to try to restore some sanity. We could give more discretion back to judges, let them more often make sentencing decisions, rather than having kids just out of law school doing it. And I think a lot more of what goes on behind closed doors should be public information. If the public knew about more of this stuff, then the system might be more responsive to some of the injustices.
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