By Alan Scherstuhl
By Chris Packham
By Robrt L. Pela
By Claire Lawton
By New Times Staff
By Claire Lawton
By Robrt L. Pela
By Robrt L. Pela
In his new book, Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America, journalist Jonathan Rauch argues that same-sex marriage is a social policy issue, and not about insurance benefits or sex. Rauch, a former Phoenician, swears that legally wed gays will strengthen the institution of marriage, because legal weddings support marriage -- and not domestic partnership or civil unions -- as an American tradition.
New Times: What's so wonderful about marriage?
Jonathan Rauch: An awful lot. Marriage is not just a piece of paper from the government or a contract that a couple of people make. It's the only promise that two people make to their community, and that their community makes to them. It doesn't just ratify an existing relationship, but fortifies and helps create a bond. It sustains a relationship and weaves a couple into their community.
NT: Not to mention the benefits.
Rauch: Oh, yeah. The 1,049 benefits married people get from the government. You know, I take issue with people who look at the best way to get benefits from marriage. That's a very shallow view of marriage. Having said that, I'll admit that they're not just benefits, they're the tools people need to keep a promise to each other. It's hard to look after someone in the hospital if you can't get into their room. Hard to confide in someone if you know they can be asked to testify against you in court. These aren't benefits, they're responsibilities.
NT: Why not change the policies that grant those "married" benefits, instead of seeking to be part of the institution that grants them?
Rauch: First of all, because the institution of marriage is a wonderful institution, one that a lot of gay people aspire to participate in and would enormously benefit from. Nothing else has the binding power of marriage. And all these other things that people talk about -- benefits, legal rights, and so on -- are good, but they're not the whole package. They're a unicycle instead of a bicycle. I say, "Accept no substitutes -- we shouldn't have to."
NT: But aren't gay people coveting a heterosexual institution?
Rauch: No. The notion that this is gay people aping straight people gives away the ball game, because it assumes that marriage is a heterosexual institution. If it is, then why are millions of gay couples building relationships that look so much like marriage? Not because they're out to imitate a custom, but because they're seeking something that fulfills a deep human need.
NT: Opponents of gay marriage keep talking about "the sanctity of marriage," as if gay people will somehow sully it by participating. Like marriage is a golden elevator, and gay people are the fart in that elevator.
Rauch: I wish I'd said that. On odd numbered days I try to understand where [the opponents] are coming from. Because it's not just about discrimination, per se, since some of them say that a civil union is okay, but gay marriage isn't. They seem to be saying that marriage is bound up in tradition, and gay participation would diminish that tradition. The toughest argument against gay marriage is that it's been fundamentally about a man and a woman, and if you mess with that, what might the consequences be? That's why I agree that it should be a state-by-state decision. As a gay person, that's a tough bullet to bite, because I want a marriage that's good all over the country. But I'm willing to settle, for two reasons: Because we'll get marriages that the country embraces and accepts, and not marriages that have been rammed down the throats of every citizen. And because trying it in a few places before taking it national is a good way to make sure we're not missing something.
NT: It's really about sex, isn't it? Most heterosexuals are so grossed out at the thought of same-gendered sex that they can't get past that.
Rauch: Well, the anti-gay marriage forces are a tremendously varied collation. But yes, there is no doubt that, for those who can't get beyond the sex, this is a referendum on homosexuality. All they see is sex.
Rauch: Right -- all the conservative arguments against same-sex marriage are really, on inspection, arguments for it. Social stability? Yes, gay marriage would provide that. Good for a couple's health and happiness? Absolutely. Better for children? Uh-huh. Twenty-nine percent of gay households have kids in them. Why would a conservative not want married parents for those kids?
NT: But it's not good for hetero-fascists. It's not good for Bible thumpers.
Rauch: Hetero-fascists? I don't know. I have a lot of hope for what you call Bible thumpers, because I think in 10 years churches will be leading the way on gay marriage. When you have Unitarian ministers jailed for performing commitment ceremonies, the churches are going to find a way to avoid that. Remember, the Bible also says, "Do unto others . . ."
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