Baby Man

At 54, William Windsor sleeps in a crib, eats in a high chair and does it in his diaper -- by choice. Believe it.

It's late on a warm Thursday night in April, and William Windsor heads to the checkout stand at the Fry's supermarket at 20th Street and Highland Avenue, in central Phoenix.

Customers and cashiers stare at the 5-foot-11, 180-pound man, who is dressed in a pink bonnet, pink shorty dress, and white patent leather shoes. Gold heart-shaped earrings twinkle beneath his carefully curled hair. Under his dress, you can see his diaper. He takes his place in line with a carry-all basket full of juice and Gerber baby food.

"Oh shit! It's Baby Man," says one cashier, a Hispanic kid who's heard the legend but has never been a witness to the spectacle. "It's like Sasquatch!" he says. "You don't believe it exists until you see it."

The big chair: William Windsor at home.
Jeff Newton
The big chair: William Windsor at home.
William Windsor's other mode of transport is a Buick 
sedan, license plate: DIAPER1.
Jeff Newton
William Windsor's other mode of transport is a Buick sedan, license plate: DIAPER1.

And even then, you're likely to think Baby Man is the star of a hidden-camera TV show, a singing telegram, or maybe on his way to a costume party. But Windsor is for real. This is no spoof.

The customers waiting in line behind Windsor -- a 54-year-old semi-retired singer and actor, and "full-time adult baby/diaper lover" (AB/DL) -- are giggling, then grimacing. But Windsor seems oblivious.

When offered a business card and asked for an interview, Windsor doesn't bother to remove the pacifier he's sucking on before responding.

"Oh, cool," he says from the side of his mouth.

He promises he'll call the next day to answer the biggest question of all:

Why?

And then he gets into his Buick sedan -- personalized license plate: "DIAPER1" -- and drives home to his east Phoenix apartment where he'll play with stuffed animals, eat in his high chair, and maybe play on the Internet, searching for friends.

Then he'll wash his messy nappies before putting himself down for the night in a custom-made crib big enough for a baby his size.


William Windsor, who answers to at least a half-dozen nicknames -- Will, Willie, Bill, Billie, and to the name of his alter ego, HeidiLynn -- does not call the next day, or the day after that.

On the third day, he uses the Internet, which he's only discovered in the past year.

"For lack of a more suitable sobriquet," he writes in an e-mail, "'Baby' is the name most people in my neighborhood know me by. I have other nicks I go by on the Internet, of course, but 'Baby' is the one that seems to have the legs around here."

He goes on to write that addressing "every avenue of 'the why?'" would be laborious, and asks for a more specific angle. He includes his phone number.

You walk around in baby-girl clothes and a diaper, sucking on a pacifier. That's the angle.

"Okay, fair enough," he says from his cell.

Is there someplace we could meet to talk? Do you drink?

"Yeah, I drink beer."

Well, is there a bar you frequent, a place you feel comfortable?

"I don't really go to bars, but there's a place right down the street from my apartment called Bogie's," he says. "Let's meet there at about 6 tomorrow night.

"I'll show up a little early, to make sure it's okay for me to be there."

See you then.

In the meantime, a Google search for the terms "infantilism," "adult baby" and "diaper lover" returns dozens of sites and personal Web pages, including first-person tales, academic papers and links to small businesses that sell everything a big baby needs, confirming that "AB/DLs" like Windsor -- well, not quite like Windsor -- are no joke.

Men, the majority of the "AB/DL" community by at least 9-to-1 according to sites like dpf.com (the Diaper Pail Friends network) and infantilism.org, are known to organize "diaper lover" parties in New York and L.A., where they dance around in diapers and make small talk about their day jobs. In late July, the second annual "Adult Baby Camp" gets under way at a campground in Alberta, Canada, where a few dozen outdoorsy babies are expected to show, and fish the remote Wildhay River in nothing more than a cloth nappy.

Infantilism has become so mainstream, so to speak, that even the hit CBS series CSI: Miami featured it in an episode in February.

But still, it's not every day you see an adult baby wandering the aisles of your local Fry's.

Straight adult babies, like Windsor -- who was, in fact, once married and has a 24-year-old son -- often have "mommies" who change their diapers, feed them warm bottles of milk, and even let them breast-feed, lactating or not. Some have wives who make them frilly frocks and dress them up in baby-girl clothes. The gay adult babies, ironically, wear pastel blues and onesies made for adult baby boys, and are often on the lookout for daddies.

But unlike William Windsor, the vast majority of adult babies keep the fetish under wraps -- going only so far as to wear a diaper under their jeans or three-piece suits -- so they can function in the straight world.

Windsor, though, doesn't worry anymore about keeping "the baby thing," as he calls it, a secret. And he thinks he's the only adult baby in the U.S. (and he's been searching for nearly two years) who sleeps, eats, pays bills, runs daily errands, shops at the grocery store, and occasionally drinks beer at a local tavern -- i.e., who lives this way -- 24/7, 365 days a year. Turns out, according to some reports from online forums and psychological surveys, there have been, and might be, several "extreme" adult babies like Windsor. But it doesn't take long -- two years at most -- before most succumb to mounting debts and the hazing they get in public.

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Jazzgitr
Jazzgitr

I played in a band in Huntsville, AL, in which Willie was our lead singer. Highly talented, we apparently met him during one of his "purge" phases. It wasn't until one night, while we were on the road, that at 1:00 am, after playing that evening, that something "snapped" in him. His wife, who accompanied Willie on the road, came to our room crying that Willie was running around (originally we were told he was nude) in diapers, with a hat... and a binky in his mouth, that we realized that, all talent aside, this was one sick dude. We tried for about 2 weeks, as I remember, to bring hime back to earth...I stayed at Willie and Barbaras house when we came off the road. I would go out with Barbara in the middle of the night to find him, in complete costume, wobbling and weaving his way down the streets of Huntsville- drunk and on drugs. Sadly, we all had to part ways, and not long after, I "temporarily" retired from music, moved to Colorado to marry my current wife, have kids and work a job.We relocated to Virginia Beach in 1986, where we still reside to this day. I thought of Willie, from time to time, wondering how far the band (named Tangent) could have gone. Willie told me, in one of his more lucid moments, that he liked being a baby so he would have to do NOTHING. Plain and simple. Being a baby allowed him to retract from society, renounce all his values, detach from reality, throw away his gifts( and Willie WAS truly gifted) and do nothing. Why the diapers and trained incontinence? Because HE felt, mentally, like shit! To say that his obsession is/was harmless, is pure poppycock! We had a working band developed around him; He had a wonderful wife in Barbara, who only gave in to Willie's fetish because she loved him with all her heart, and wasn't strong enough to fight the humiliation he wrought on her. Thank heavens, motherhood gave her the strength to remove her son from a warped household, and grew him into an outstanding young man.

Mommy
Mommy

I have and AB website that is for Mommy/Daddies and little's to find each other and I can tell you it has grow in the passed 5 years, at Diapered Adults.com is a place where everyone can relax and join a community that is open and non-judgmental people that love adult baby, diaper lover, diaper bondage, adult baby diaper lover forums, diapered girls, diaper punishment, age regression, incontinence, adult baby diaper lover stories, diaper videos, infantilism, diaper fetish, daily diaper, diapered adults, incontinent, adult baby diaper lover personals, adult baby diaper lover forum, ageplay, sissies, crossdressers, and so many more are welcome here.

unkown
unkown

is it normal for a teenager to get pleasure out of filling nappies

Amy
Amy

This is not normal. The mother that feeds baby should have someone take her child away by warping his mind! This man sounds like he may have Histrionic Disorder. I hope he gets help.

Mommie Onyx
Mommie Onyx

Baby can come over to my nursery anytime baby likes.He is not hurting anyone, leave him alone.

Mommie Onyx

Michael
Michael

Thanks for this story. I am a thirty three year old male Diaper Lover. I agree with HeidiLynn about his recollection that his mother was not affectionate enough. My own mother abandoned me. I had an adoptive mother while still an infant and do not recall an abundance of affection either which might explain my own incessant need to wear diapers every day and night. I should add that while I do wet the diapers I almost never potty them unless I have a legitimate accident, the clean up is very laborious. I wanted to say hello and send congratulations to HeidiLynn for her bravery!

Diaperpin/scott
Diaperpin/scott

I have been a Adult Baby for 30 years now and it has been ruff some times . But all My friends and famly Known about Me and Many of My co workers have knowen . My new wife to be Knows and she loves Me for who I am . My doctor has told Me better Diapers and baby things than sitting in a bar or drugs . And I am home every night . I do not ware diapers ever day at work . But i do ware every night and on weekends . My wife to be has changed Me and has made Me great Baby cloths . My room mate of 10 years is making Me a big rocking horse . So for the people that think this is sick and twisted . I think You are nuts . As long as I have been in diapers and been diapered I have had Many ladie friends that have been mommys and sitters and lovers to Me. For some it is a fetish For others this is a life style . And well it does not hurt anyone .I have never herd of any one killing someone driveing ing a diaper . but plenty of drunk drivers kill people . Sorry if this makes know sence or rammbles .

margie
margie

I was actually searching the web to understand this Phenomena. I am married to a DL who was not altogether truthful about his mental "condition". When I met him, he had a 4 ft wall of dirty diapers in his closet, that was completely repulsive, and insanitary. There were roaches everywhere, and he chose to defecate and pee in his diapers while sleeping.Maybe I should have known better, thinking it was just a "phase", but I told him from the beginning, I could not be his girlfriend with what was revealed. He agreed to change, because he said he loved me, and admitted it was just a "phase". after a year of knowing each other, he proposed. He was on medication, and he seemed to have passed his "phase" during the first two weeks we met. I hesitantly agreed to marry him, hoping for the best. However, a year after we were married, I found out he was secretly wearing the diapers to work. Enraged, I threw them away. He stopped for another year. and every year thereafter, I would catch him wearing these diapers. He did not masturbate, and didn't really like having sex. I always threw them away, and gave him a long talking to, even threatening divorce. It has been six years. sex is dismal in our relationship, usually only occurs after he humiliates me in public, usually a grocery store, or department store, he will act enraged, because I refuse to look at the "baby" items, or girls clothing for him. In essence, I have become the victim to his terror. although baby people find this harmless, getting a wife involved such as myself, makes me feel degraded, humiliated, and angry. Now, he has found other DL's who are telling him this is acceptable? He belongs to a huge group of DL's, who think I am a 'bad' person now, simply because I told him to quit this nonsense. It is true when the D.S.V Psychological Handbook describes these people as slightly mentally retarded, and refusing to change, because they really do not realize that their twisted ideas are harmful to others around them. They are very selfish people who will suck the life right out of you. Two weeks ago, "He told me that I refused him to be the female baby he really is", and actually wanted to take the greyhound bus to his mothers home 800 miles away. Honestly, I should have just let him go. There is no help for DL's, they are all just a bunch of Perverts, who need to get right with GOD.

missy
missy

It is very unfortunate that in this day in age there are still intolerent people who immidiately label someone as "sick" simply because they are different. Adult babies are probably the least of our worries. In a world (and a country I might add) so full of violence, perhaps we should worry about the real sickos - the rapists, the wife beaters, the murderers. If someone wants to sleep in a crib and suck on a bottle, then I say "live and let live". And while I wouldn't want to change his poopie pants, I certainly respect his own personal needs and desires to live his life the way he does. William is not hurting anyone in his activities and he is only responsible for himself. Many "independently wealthy" people choose lifestyles that are harmful to themselves and to others. Chosing to be a big baby? - pretty tame stuff really.Oh, by the way, while I don't poop in my diapers, I find nothing more relaxing than a soft cotton nappy and a warm bottle of milk. I might add that while female "adult babies" are in the minority, there are plenty of us around the world. I am happily married and a fully contributing member of society. My diapers are no threat to anyone.

Preston The Eternal Toddler
Preston The Eternal Toddler

Also, I don't mind saying that the music today really describes how young peoplethink now: bitter, full of hatred, racist, etc. I just don't like ANY of the musicthat is played nowadays, rap, hip hop, alternative, etc. I only listen to oldies musicfrom the 1950s and 1960s. And soft rock from the 1970s to the 1990s. And yes, I loveBarry Manilow's music too. Mostly though, I like oldies like doo wop from the 1950sand early 1960s stuff. I also find that virtually NO ONE around my age listens tothis stuff, but that's fine, because most of the people listening to oldies orsoft rock stations tend to be mostly elderly people, and surprise surprise, toddlersfrom 2-7 years old. It's sad how toddlers have to grow up and turn into such mean,hurtful, racist, and full of hatred people. Most of my peer group, as I mentioned, is mostly toddlers and elderly people. Of course, with autism, playing with children who aren't your age isn't unusual - that's one of the hallmark symptoms of autism.

I also love Teletubbies and Care Bears. I am the biggest Teletubbies fan. I just don't want to grow up. I regret being 5 feet 11 inches tall. I wish I was 3 feet tall. If I were a proportionate dwarf, no one would know the difference between me and a normal4 year old. Because I am so tall, I can't even wear Carters sleepers with feet (if Ihad been 5'3" tall, I would have been able to). I will probably have my pacifier tillthe day they bury me in my grave. And my grave will say something like "Our belovedperpetual 4 year old". I just don't want to have anything to do with adulthood. That's all I want. And never mind that I am on SSI and get $650 a month free. I am developmentally disabled and cannot even hold a job and I've tried to get a job being a map editor/map proofreader working from home, but no one has anything for me. Iguess I'll just have to rely on my autistic girlfriend (who can apparently hold a job,I guess I have to go under her medical insurance coverage as a dependent if I marryher). She lives in central South Carolina, a really sweet girl who although 23 yearsold is more like a 12 year old. I am eventually going to move up into Upstate SouthCarolina probably somewhere in the Greenville - Spartanburg area (I live in theSan Francisco Bay Area in California right now) and resettle there with my girlfriendwho probably will be my wife. I love South Carolina, people are just so friendlythere, it's more family oriented. I actually learned about the Greenville - Spartanburg area from a nice sweet 18 year old named Staci back in 2001 whoI had actually met on Diaper Pail Friends. She wore a diaper because she had a bladder problem from her toddlerhood, and she lived in the Spartanburg area. Lostcontact with her eventually, but she was one of the sweetest girls I ever talkedto. So, anyway, I don't judge people who have to wear diapers for medical reasons,or even if they wear diapers because of a infantilism fetish. I don't go aroundjudging others, unless they are judgemental (like you, Michelle). I just want tospend the rest of my days of my life having a small ranch style home with baywindows in South Carolina and fathering a little boy. Life is too short for me tosorry about the kind of garbage that I see in today's world. I wish everyone couldjust stay like a 4 year old. We wouldn't have wars, racism, hatred, mean things,etc. All there would be would be compassion, forgiveness, understanding, and nokillings. I admire 3 and 4 year olds - they are so sharing, caring, warmhearted,sensitive, forgiving, and so on. A lady who teaches kindergarten told me recentlythat adults are actually far MORE egocentric than toddlers ever will be, and Ithen wondered why is egocentricity even mentioned in child development books. Ifadults are even MORE egocentric (and everyone, at least all the child developmentalists, agre with me), then why do they even bother to mention it in child development books?? Go to any daycare, and you'll be surprised at how caring andkind toddlers are. I would rather see someone stuck like a toddler than someone full of hate - I used to see on Yahoo boards people posting how glad they were thatsomeone who was a good person (like Princess Diana or Mother Teresa) was dead. That's sickening to my stomach so much I could throw up.

I will never grow up. The End.

Preston the Eternal Toddler from California, soon to be from around Greenville, South Carolina.

Preston The Eternal Toddler
Preston The Eternal Toddler

Hello, I am 31 years old (I just turned 31) but emotionally and socially I am 4-5years old. I wouldn't necessarily call myself a AB, or infantilist, because I don'twear diapers and that isn't my fetish. However, I can understand the AB lifestyle because I have gone to places like Diaper Pail Friends in the past, trying to find someone like me. I am like 4-5 years old emotionally/socially because I have highfunctioning autism. One thing I do share with people that have infantilism thoughis that I have a pacifier and I watch Teletubbies and Care Bears and I'm very muchlike a 4 year old in many ways, except I don't wear diapers.

Michelle - maybe it is YOU who needs to see a doctor. While I don't necessarily totally agree with people with infantilism, I am not like you. I do not judge peopleand I do not care what YOU have to offer. Leave Willie Windsor alone. Do you not haveyour own problems?? Are you perfect??

It's because of people like you Michelle that I refuse to have anything to do withgrowing up. I mean, here you are, talking this trash crap about Windsor, when thereare much more important things in the world to address like the war in Iraq that ismessed up and stuff like children dying from malnutrition in Africa, and people getting killed everyday by adult monsters. I am so tired of what I see in society.Young people these days are so filled with hatred, anger, revenge, vengeance, andso much crap I can't believe it. The music that people in their 20s and 30s play havelike the s-word and the f-word in every 2 seconds of the song. I have no desire tobe near anyone around my age. In fact, I only have 2 friends that are between 10-45years old, and one of them is my girlfriend in South Carolina who has high functioningautism too. Most of the people I hang around are not even my age. My so called "peergroup" is mostly elderly people 55-80 years old and toddlers and preschoolers from2 to 6 or 7 years old. You know why? Because toddlers and elderly people are so muchmore compassionate, understanding, kind, NONRACIST, UNDERSTANDING, and above all, FORGIVING. Especially toddlers.

I don't want to grow up and no one will ever make me GROW UP. I will be a 4 year old eternally (partly because of my autism, but partly also because I want to) if I want to. It is heartbreaking to read stories of serial killers and see photos of them as toddlers. You look into the picture, and you wonder "What made this nice caring loving toddler grow into such a horrible monster as an adult?". It sickens you so much youwish everyone stayed like a toddler, and very soon you end up like me, never wantingto grow up. I believe if I did "grow up", I would not be as nice as what I am now.

So if I walk down the street in Turlock, California, with my beloved pacifier, whatare you going to do?? Are you "society" going to do something about it???! AmI going to get arrested for sucking my binky in public?? Didn't think so. Are younot going to give me a job because I have a pacifier and act like a charmingloving caring 4 year old?? It looks like that might be happening anyway - I have aBA degree in Geography and know every town in California and in South Carolina andall over the United States, but I can't find a job as a cartographer or somethinganyway. So what does it really matter. I'd wear diapers probably if Pampers wouldmake them in my size.

So, Michelle take your filth and garbage somewhere else. Do something else likehelping children who are disadvantaged or something else like preventing childrenfrom turning into monsters as adults, and do something positive.

-- Preston the eternal toddler from California

diaper dan
diaper dan

One more thing for anyone that looks down at us diaper wearing adults and insults us well ,for one its not illegal and its not like were into whips and chains or bondage or drugs or alchol or gambling and etc we are just normal everday people that live lives take vacations go to church work raise children etc and we just like the feeling of warm soft cotton on our bottoms a verry comforting feeling indeed it is takes us back to a stress free time in life .its not a perverce or disgusting thing at all thank you .dapper126@yahoo.com feel free to e-mail me...

diaper dan
diaper dan

I'm an adult male thats been into wearing diapers on and off for about ten years now.I once saw it in a magazine and went out and bought pampers size jumbo and taped two of them together and put them on with some fabrication and peed in it. was the greatest moment ever . ill never forget that first time as an adult wearing diapers . well it was just occasional thing then but ive recently become single about 2 years ago[my ex never new i wore them at times] however its become almost full time now and i simply love wearing diapers have tried many brands.some close friends no and its ok with them .i usualy conceal them under my clothing.i also love baby shampoo and oil and ointment and powder and somtimes a bottle.i usualy just wet ,occasionaly soil also.realy want to meet more adults like me please e mail me at dapper126@yahoo.com thank you i also lead a pretty normal life besides the diaper thing im a business owner .and yes i would love to meet a woman whos into the abdl thing or mabey even a man thank you please contact me sincerly dan would realy love to be changed and pampered and powdered...

Baby Wyatt
Baby Wyatt

i am proud to be an AB in fact i suck on my binky while i work and eat baby food at work and drink from my bottle at work cuz i don't care what people think. I have accepted what i am and there for don't care what some stuck up ego maniac thinks. I am 27 so there are young people who are AB/DLs too go there

ps give William Windsor my email address

bleh
bleh

ya, this just gave me a great idea. i should wear diapers instead of just shitting and pissing in my tighty-whities....ahhh relief from all the rashes and confusion. thanx Phoenix New Times!!

Steve
Steve

Why the need to lash out so violently against someone you don't even know by calling them sick and demanding they run off to some Dr? Didn't you read the story? The Dr said it wasn't going to hurt him or anyone else. Why don't you mind your own damn business! Are you perfect little miss spout your mouth off?!?!!?!??!? He's got the money and the will to live his life how he wants to.........and here's a news flash.......he doesn't give a damn what you think about it.

Do you really think CSI....the most poular show on television just pulled Adult Babies out of thin air? If AB's are 1/3rd of 1% of the population in the USA that still means there are over 1 million of them all over the country and thousands of websites catering to them all over the world.........you probably know one, and because of ignorant morons like you, they can't leave the house out of fear of public harrassment or downright attack. Do you hate Gays and Lesbians too? How about Jews? Black people?

Someone should take a diaper and tape it over your mouth to catch all the crap coming out of you.

Michelle
Michelle

What in the hell kind of drugs are you taking? (so i can be sure to avoid them). You need a good therapist for starters. I dont mean to be cruel but yes there is something seriously wrong with you and you need to stop crappin in your pants and open your eyes and address your "emotional abandonment" issues with your mother HEAD ON! What you have is a sickness.Wanna know why no one wants to change your nasty smelly ass? You need to ask??You neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed to even ASK? Come on!And you "trained yourself" to be incontinent? Okay heres one for ya....what about when youre stinky ass gets sick and needs cared for? Your caregiver is really going to appreciate that you purposely chained your toilet. Youre ill. GET TO THE DR NOW!!!!

JANNIFER
JANNIFER

HI JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT YOU MADE REFERENCES TO C.S.I EPISODE "KING BABY" A FEW TIME PUT YOU PUT IN PRINT IT WAS CSI" MIAMI ..IF I DO RECALL "KING BABY " WHICH FOCUSED ON YOU TOPIC OF INFANTILISM WAS FIRST AIRED ON 2/17/2005 AND WAS AN ORIGINAL CSI (VEGAS BASED ) EPISODE..

Thomas
Thomas

Well. There are alot adult babys out there.

There alot of web sites too.

fracturedgirl
fracturedgirl

@Jazzgitr Sounds like society was harming him, and regressing was his coping mechanism. You should be glad for him that he had a safe way to cope, many turn to drugs, alcohol, or self-mutilation as a coping mechanism.

Taraalcar
Taraalcar

That's pretty fascinating. I saw him on Japanese TV about a month ago and couldnt believe it. The more I read the more shocked I am.

fracturedgirl
fracturedgirl

@unkown If you aren't harming anyone (human or otherwise), it is completely normal.

babyk
babyk

Margie, I do not know if you will ever see this: but please do not classify all DL's in the same category as your husband ( or I hope your ex husband by now) . I wish I could enlighten you to the aspects of this fetish, but I am still trying to figure it out myself. Your husband made you a promise, he should have kept it ! If he felt there was a problem with him keeping his promise - he should have been a big enough to come to you and discuss it. I seriously appologize to you that your husband wasn't man enough to face you.Though this fetish is definitely different - it shouldn't hurt anyone!!!!!Just to let you know, I am a 48 YO male that has been a DL/AB since roughly 1970 - Never forced on anyone, many do know including recently family- siblings, parents ( mixed reviews) and friends. At my home it may be more noticable that i am diapered--my home turf my comfortability my friends know what to expect. If I go out, I of course use decorum....But as a DL/AB ...I must state that we are not all perverts as you stated....I am sorry about what you were put through... I truely am! Sign Me A Big Baby Boy

spare1
spare1

It *is* abnormal. I don't see how you could say that it's not, by any definition of normal and abnormal. And unless you're going to tell me genetics are involved (which would be rather interesting - a gene for regressing), you cannot equate it with being Jewish or black, or gay or lesbian. But, as long as people are no harm to others, so be it.

 

If the stated statistics are correct, then yes, maybe one out of every 300 people you know engages in such behavior. So yes, you may know one, but it's likely not someone who you interact act with frequently. Then again, if you're on this page, maybe it is a more common part of your world. But for most people, no.

 

Now, the crazier thing is, you are a couple of times more likely to know someone who was somehow involved in incest/attempted incest. Not that I'm equating anything here. But statistics are crazy things. And you are slightly less likely to know someone who cross dresses than to know someone who engages in infantilism (the technical term).

 

Hmm, Phoenix news got me to this corner of the internet...I'm going back to the adult world now...

fracturedgirl
fracturedgirl

@Michelle For someone who believes it's a mental illness, you are incredibly abusive. :-( You are one of those who mock and belittle those who suffer from any mental illness, or perceived mental illness.
It's a FETISH. A _harmless_ fetish.
They aren't even self-harming.

 
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