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01/21/2012 6:44:00 PM
All of this inbreeding stems from the "revelation" Joseph Smith claimed to have about polygamy after he was caught having sex with Fanny Alger - a 16yo house guest who he subsequently called his second wife.
This misery is a product of a man who lied to his first wife and pretended to speak for God. What a terrible legacy.
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09/17/2011 6:47:00 PM
Being nonreligious means I haven't read the bible? I've read it cover to cover. If you disagree that it's in there, you haven't read it yourse.f
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malasangre 06/03/2011 1:03:00 AM
wasn't that stuff before Leviticus? sorry i cannot keep that stuff strait
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Heydoog 05/20/2011 9:07:00 PM
Not believing in the Bible is a sign of higher mental development and should be encouraged at every opportunity.
Believing in the Bible is "A load of shit"/ The Bible is contradictory, cruel, outdated and irrelevant in today's world.
If LESS people believed in dusty old obsolete tomes written by ignorant nomadic sheepherders, we'd all be loving in a better world.
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Danielle 05/19/2011 2:35:00 AM
I don't think you have read a Bible. you say so yourself your not religious so you don't know what your talking about. It's in there and those people inbreeding are nasty...
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05/01/2011 9:32:00 PM
There's nothing in the bible that implies that inbreeding is disallowed. How did Noah repopulate the world? Lot's daughters sleeping with him after they left their city? I'm not religious, but it's about time you read up yourself.
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Thisisanemailaddress 04/02/2011 11:23:00 PM
Don't believe in the bible? What a load of shit.
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Sorrow 09/23/2010 6:11:00 PM
These people have nothing to do with religion. They are a cult masquerading as a religion. That's where the danger lies.
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Sorrow 09/23/2010 6:07:00 PM
If they had read Leviticus 18 in the King James Version of the bible, they would know what would happen as a result of all this inbreeding. It's very clear who you can and cannot marry, and what the results will be if you do. Sadly, this sect of mormons does not believe in the bible. Having married into a mormon family before I knew what their beliefs really were, I can truthfully say I have not met one mormon who does believe in the bible. This sect is learning the hard way what they could have learned just by reading it. It's especially bad that the kids have to suffer for the ignorance / stupidity of their elders.
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karl 08/22/2009 11:46:00 AM
I think this inbreeding is great. Hopefully in a few years time religious folk will have died out due to their offspring's genetic mutations. Stupid people will have bred themselves into extinction. Maybe in 60 years time, the world might be rid of these fundamentalist (emphasis on the 'mentalist' part of 'fundamentalist'). This is evolution in practice... fantastic.
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Kit 01/25/2009 6:33:00 PM
I'm tired of hearing that polygamy causes inbreeding and abuse.
The *criminalization* of polygamy is what causes inbreeding and abuse.
Legalized, polygamy would be subject to the same strictures as any other marriage - the continued oppression of women and children could no longer be hidden under the 'religious freedoms' flag.
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Liz 01/10/2009 6:09:00 PM
Wow, only in America...
Near where i live is a place called Wix, where people don't go in or out of.
"Give me six, i'm from Wix"
Lol, gets me every time :)
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Heikki 01/03/2009 1:09:00 PM
My, my...
Don't we have a difficulyt problem here. Either you stop these people doing things that we disagree, thus denying them their basic right to believe and live as they want, or you let them do these stomach turning, one would almost say 'vile', acts that make me lose my faith in humanity. Either destroy their way of life or let them wither and die slowly but surely.
Even animals and plants avoid inbreeding in some basic level. I don't think that FLDS community is stupid, but too proud and self-righteous, thinking themselves as the chosen by god and will do anything to keep this image. If they do not want to listen the advices, there is very little that you can do without any direct acts of intervention.
As long as they keep their genes isolated in their own population, I'll continue to feel sad for them. I dare not to critizice their religion, but I can critizice the way to practice their beliefs. Chosen by the god or not, their offspirngs are suffering and they aren't doing a damn thing to prevent this. If this is a test, send down by their god, they aren't doing too well to pass it.
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Some Guy 01/03/2009 5:08:00 AM
There's a reason why the incest taboo is one of the oldest and is nearly universal among human societies. The effects of inbreeding are tragic.
Sadly, Warren Jeffs and others in the FLDS hierarchy are probably congenitally too stupid to be able to change their behavior. They are, after all, the results of the depravity of their ancestors.
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Carl Brutanananadilewski 01/03/2009 3:25:00 AM
You are all cordially invited to the wedding of George Michael Bluth and Maeby Funke, the kissing cousins of Arrested Development! I'm sure much hilarity will ensue from their defective offspring.
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merlic 01/03/2009 2:28:00 AM
This does present a problem in that closely related family members often share genetic disorders due to inheritance, however, its propagation is obviously contingent on there being some kind of family history for such a disorder. Otherwise, in a health family, as the first article you provided suggests, there is little concern over producing genetic deficiencies in offspring from two closely related individuals.
I think the smartest course of action for two closely related individuals in love is to get some genetic testing done, to see which conditions they might [b]both[/b] be capable of transmitting (this double carrying is what actually causes the higher prevalence of genetic disorders, as opposed to some arbitrary religious sentiment), and conduct some family research. This will ultimately allow the couple to make the ethical decision to go through with their initial intentions or not. If they neglect these ethical duties, and that will probably be the case human nature being what it is, there should be some law, which requires them to do the appropriate research, or else acquire an approved license for such activity.
The license route is appropriate because two closely related individuals, statistically have a higher chance of carrying the same potential markers for genetic disorders, whilst not suffering from the actual disease. Two individuals who are not closely related are less likely to carry the same markers for certain genetic disorders, and although it is possible that their offspring suffer from retardation, the odds of this presenting are on some great order of magnitude statistically lower.
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David 05/02/2008 2:23:00 PM
You are dead wrong if you believe that legalizing polygamy with allow for outbreeding by the FLDS or the Kingston clan. It will not. They religiously believe that certain families are the literal blood descendants of Jesus Christ. They do not want "tainted" blood within their communities. The Kingston prophet "married" his half sister who I believe is also his aunt. There are men who are both father and grandfather to a child. Again, they aren't hiding only because of polygamy but for other reasons.
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Chelsea 04/25/2008 5:18:00 AM
As we were talking about the current polygamy news, I told my coworkers about this story. Sure enough none of them had even heard about the horrible in-breeding effects in Colorado City.
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Toni 04/21/2008 5:05:00 PM
Unbelievable! I spoke with twenty or more people in my office and they had no knowledge this was going on and this seems like a type of abuse to children just by having them and allowing this to go on. (Inter breeding) I think 50% of the American population don't know this and if they did they would be livid that we have done nothing to stop this! in the good ole USA.
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pixel105 04/17/2008 7:27:00 PM
If you want to know the inside story of the polygamous cult lead by Warren Jeffs (who live at the YFZ Ranch in TX and in Colorado City, AZ.), check out the recent documentary BANKING ON HEAVEN. http://www.bankingonheaven.com
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Ugly American 04/17/2008 5:57:00 PM
Religious people are a danger to themselves and others.
Over and over again we see religious nuts abusing children. It's not the exception, it's what religions do.
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Cynthia 04/17/2008 3:50:00 PM
To put it glibly, "That's why they call them Mor(m)ons!"
More seriously, this is tragic. However, ultimately this will be self limiting; they are going to inbreed themselves into extinction. They have every right to do this; this is America. The worst part of it is that the church leaders are keeping them from finding out that they're doing it to themselves.
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NotImportant 04/11/2008 4:26:00 PM
Polygamy should be legalized, people will do it anyway!
There will be less crime and more opportunity for these people to mix up with other blood types. You cannot stop them, let them live the way they need to live!
I wish Polygamy will be legal one day!
God bless these people
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Toby Harris 04/09/2008 8:14:00 PM
How in the fuck is the type of shit happening in this modern day? Where is the law enforcement? Can't we come up with charges like "false imprisonment", "statutory rape", ect?
Warren Jeffs needs to be summary executed in front of members of his church, he is nothing short of a monster and society doesn't need to lock these types of they need to eliminate them.
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melanie bulseco 10/31/2007 6:09:00 AM
Arpaio is in denial. He can't accept the fact that he's not going to be around much longer so he's becoming more demented every day; sort of like Hitler behaved when he became aware it was almost over.- Melanie Bulseco
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Phyllis Austin 10/05/2007 10:06:00 AM
I have to ask why is it the men that get to enjoy polygamy? It's simply for sexual gratification, nothing more. If the men can marry mulitple's of women then why can't women be able to marry two or three men. Having multiple husbands would be a remedy for many women.
If you keep wringing that bible long and hard enough, the print will get all twisted and wrinkled and it'll read just about any way you want it to.
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dolly 09/10/2007 1:41:00 AM
you are all a bunch of nuts! the problem here is a lot of children who are being abused. 1Fourteen year old girls forced into marriage with their cousins. Is it alright to do this because a man is going to have sex anyway? What is wrong with you people? This whole article is about children who are being born with many problems, the country, anyone who works and pays taxes, are being forced to pay for this, but that is still besides the point. What quality of life do these children have?
and for the lady who thinks it is okay to treat people like horses so they will have good teeth when they get older, and ears close to their heads, please! That is all about individual taste. I myself think that people with big teeth and ears close to their heads are creepy looking. but to each their own, until it comes to the issue of the children. First, i wouldn't marry my cousin, yuk! then if i knew there was a big possibility that the children would be retarded, no, no children.
I was married to a man who had a lot of retardation in his family. No, i wouldn't have children by him because of that possibility. I saw how the children suffered, how the families suffered trying to provide for them. I still married him and loved him, but children no, i wouldn't do that to a child, on purpose, which is what these people are doing.
I also live in a town where there is a large population of inbred people, and it is amazing how people have accepted this. It is not okay to have sex with sisters, mothers, fathers, cousins. I don't care what your religion is or isn't. It is morally and ethically wrong.
Call me old fashioned by sex for the sake of sex to reproduce children, who cannot take care of themselves or others is wrong. Morally wrong.
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Lola 09/07/2007 4:21:00 PM
Saying that polygamy should be legalized because people will do it anyway and then not be breaking the law is equal to saying drugs should be legalized because people will just sell them and take them and buy them anyway. At the every least, stopping polygamy would stop child sexual abuse for the girls that have to get married as young as they are forced to. While we are at it, we should legaize drinking and driving, murder, rape, etx.
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S M S 08/21/2007 3:16:00 PM
I think that the current laws of the land prohibiting marriage to more than one spouse perpetuates a very serious moral problem in todays society. If polygamy never was outlawed, the Mormon Prophet Wilford Woodruff wouldn't have gone to seak revelation to abandon the practice of it. Most likely, the practise of polygamy would still be in effect today amongst the LDS church. There would be no FLDS church and there wouldn't be this disorder manifesting itself in Colorado City and other places populated by inbreeders. Legally change the laws of the land and you will have alot less people committing serious moral crimes.
In today's society, It is very common for men to have children from several women. The Family Support Division of the District Attorney office will substanciate this. It isn't against the law in America to have sex with another consenting adult. You better just make sure you are not married to two of them at the same time or you will be breaking the law. It's ok to have sex with two of them at the same time and have children by both women at the same time as long as you aren't married!! That is wrong!! Change the law to allow polygamy and you make having sex with multiple partners legal! There is nothing morally wrong with having sex with someone you are legally and lawfully married to.
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A Concerned Reader 07/14/2007 7:08:00 AM
I think marriage is an outdated institution and polygamy should be legalized. This way, we set aside the hypocrisy of "serial monogamy" where people marry and divorce multiple times...live and let live: if folks want to "marry" multiple times, let them! If polygamy weren't illegal at least these FLDS folks would have a much wider and much safer genetic selection to choose from.
They are hell-bent on doing it; why not allow polygamy for those who want it? I'm rather surprised that everyone (who has commented so far) has this blind spot with regards to what's really the central issue of the story: polygamy. Legalize polygamy and not only would these FLDS nut-jobs not be inbreeding anymore, but, hey, the wider society and stop being hypocrites about the institution of marriage....
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Its ME again! 06/19/2007 5:24:00 PM
Tony: I think you're splitting hairs here. While, technically there seems to be some merit to your scientific analysis and term corrections, the point is still the same. The children are the ones who are suffering unnecessarily and that is a travesty. I think anyone who knowingly produces offspring from such a "crossing" of genetics should be jailed or neutered. This has nothing to do with religious preferences or beliefs, it has to do with premeditated human suffering. And it should be dealth with swiftly and justly, if only to save the children from the damage their parents seem fit to inflict. On the religious side of the argument, here again we see death and destruction in the name of religion/god/jesus or whomever else one chooses to deify. (Personally, I think the whole religion thing is a farce and should be outlawed) But my personal beliefs are not the subject here. WHAT exactly, do these people who are crossbreeding like this hope or expect to gain? Are they so selfcentered and egotistical that they don't see the reality of their practices? Here's one vote for homosexuality! Its nature's way of providing birth control. But everythings ok as long as its done in the name of the lord(s), right? You may not think so, but the overall theme is very widely accepted in America. And people think the gays are backwards!
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Tony 06/16/2007 6:30:00 PM
Inbreeding does not cause genetic defects; it precipitates them. In other words, when people inbreed, any recessive genetic traits will be more rapidly and widely expressed, but no new genetic defects will be created. In general, since the recessive traits become more frequency and appear more quickly, they tend to produce offspring with multiple defects that either result in death before they reproduce or prevent them from reproducing in other ways. As a result, inbreeding gradually removes genetic defects from the gene pool, by producing massively defective offspring that do not reproduce further. The individuals without genetic defects ultimately cease to be carriers as well, and so the gene pool is "cleaned" by inbreeding.
Inbreeding is used in raising animals for this purpose, in order to produce individuals that are free of any recessive genetic defects. Of course, doing this with people is ethically questionable. However, it's important to remember that inbreeding doesn't cause defects, it just makes them appear much faster than they would normally.
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Page 06/15/2007 1:42:00 PM
Whiie I agree that inbreeding and its consequences needs to be address, I am glad that this article does bring to light that there is a problem. But I am offended by the references to rednecks(which is referred to southerns).
I am from the south and considered a redneck,(hard working, stand up for rights, willing to help others out, look out for one another when in need). We are educatad in many diffrent ways. There is a lot of misconception about rednecks and southerners. We are not inbreeds (that is gross). There is nobody I know that has married a family member (close or long distance).We are not stupid. This article is great and does show there is a problem that needs to be addressed. I do not like the stereotyping to people from the south.
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Yvette Diaz 06/14/2007 12:18:00 PM
When I came to live to my city I noticed in my area that the locals not only looked aliked, but had what I called (according to my upbringing traditional Spaniard customs from Puerto Rico) facial genetic flaws. They seemed to have retardation, but to be functional in society. I could not help it, but to raise the question to a co-worker; and that is when I was exposed to the term redneck and the historical fact of inbreeding in North Carolina. After reading the entire article, I wish that the FLDS commnunity open their eyes by looking at their off spring and see that the marriage of close relatives lead to genetics defects. I was taught at a young age that the cousins are relatives until the fifth generation and marriage of cousins was prohibited in my family. I remember my Mom telling me that the reason was that close relatives marriage produces retarded off spring. The Spaniard elite settled in Puerto Rico during the colonial times, and even tough they did not know about genetic codes they also believed in keeping the race "pure" by arrange marriage, but not by close relatives marriage. Some characteristics were in taken in consideration when Grandpa was chosen to marry my Grandma, such as: caucasian, handsome facial structure must be: straight nose bone,ears close to the head, nice jaw line, nice facial structure, nice lips, nice teeths, nice hands, nice fingers, etc.. fine looking fellow. The offspring a few generations later has a million dollar smile. My heritage is Spaniard, French, Italian,Portuguese,Sephardic Jew and Irish. Genes of long life and at 45 years old excellent health and slow aging. I have three daughters and I have make them aware of the damaged genetic code of the locals. I would like to keep our genetic code going good. I pray and hope that this community will know the truth to be set free and that someone would film a movie in order to help them to open up their eyes.