Jumping to Confusion

If illegal perks are so great, why crave citizenship?

I have no problem with immigrants. My grandparents were Dutch on one side and Irish on the other — but they came here legally, through Ellis Island. What I can’t stand are a bunch of fence-hopping, river-wading illegals telling me I owe them a free education, free health care, free transportation, and then making me speak Spanish at every restaurant, car wash and public school in the county. Making these people citizens simply because they’re here is like letting someone keep my car just because he already stole it.
Angry Gabacho Goes Really Off

Dear AGGRO:
Breathe. Relax. Wake up and smell the tacos. Your letter contains enough inaccuracies, misrepresentations and logical fallacies to qualify as a quiz for high school rhetoric students. Primeramente, you begin by saying that immigrants don't bother you, then switch courses by bashing illegal immigrants. It's fine to distinguish between the two, but don't offer qualifiers when arguing a point — they weaken your conclusion. Also, illegal immigrants aren't demanding free anything — just amnesty for millions. But even if your assertion were true, you're forgetting the libertarian concept of TINSTAAFL (an acronym for "There is no such thing as a free lunch" popularized by Nobel Prize laureate Milton Friedman). Taxpayers foot the costs of "free" social services, and Mexicans want to join those ranks; hence, it doesn't follow that Mexicans seeking everything for gratis would rally for something that requires paying more for the right to live in this great land. Also, you didn't specify which country you live in, but no Mexican "makes" anyone speak Spanish. Ever heard of free will? If you're speaking bad español to get by, that's your choice, chulo. Finally, your stolen-car analogy commits an informal fallacy — it doesn't follow that a topic as complex as illegal immigration (driven by numerous economic, social and governmental factors) is the same as jacking a ranfla, which only involves a nominal knowledge of hot-wiring. Most importantly, AGGRO: where's my pinche question? Warning to all future submitters: Ask, don't rant, lest I reward you with the logical smackdown.

Just needed to know the reasoning behind the blaring mariachi music at 7 a.m. on a Saturday morning. I am of Spanish descent (my father is Puerto Rican), and I wasn’t raised around such blasting accordion music when I was growing up. So, what is it with the Mexi-tunes? Are they trying to wake up, or wake others up?
Boricua Baboso

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Why are Mexicans so damn rude and inconsiderate when it comes to blasting that horrible, bass-pounding circus music when at home or in their unlicensed, uninsured cars? They pound that crap at all hours, not caring who they disturb.
Can’t Hear Myself Think

Dear Boricua and Gabacho:
Ustedes answered your questions without even knowing it. Boricua Baboso: The blaring in mariachi comes from trumpets, and have you ever heard one? The noise it makes ain't exactly rustling leaves. Accordions used in conjunto norteño are similarly loud and high-pitched. Even at its softest, a squeezebox screams with all the subtlety of a siren (apologies for the alliteration). Can't Hear Myself Think: Although you didn't specify what kind of Mexican music qualifies as "circus," your reference to a heavy bass probably means you hate banda sinaloense,the brass band genre native to Sinaloa anchored by eardrum-exploding tubas. You can play these genres at the lowest possible levels, and their natural reverberations would still shudder through walls, cars and steel. Mexicans are used to the loudness, but not gabachos.With that knowledge in mind, every Banda El Recodo or Los Tigres del Norte track cranked up to Level 11 is payback for your white noise of talk radio pendejos. And Lou Dobbs — can't forget Lou Dobbs.

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tanya
tanya

Bob your right about one thing we are so different! I feel sorry for you Bob . I hope you don't have children that you will pass your hate too. tanya

Bob
Bob

Tanya- I guess thats the difference between me and you. I would pay for my freedom but you would steal for yours. Spoken like a true commie. I'll send you a ticket to Cuba so you can get a taste of a socialist government. Have fun collecting you loaf of bread for the week, savor your rations.

Tanya
Tanya

Bob - Where shall I mail your tickets to England??? I would love for you to have a chance to go where they hate Americans. As for the Immigration fees your on your own . THen you could get the real feel of having to pay for your Freedom !

Bob
Bob

Tanya- Typical liberal reply. I expected that comment from you, it doesn't surprise me a bit. You can still be "Openminded" and not "Give" your Country away to these illegals who have bombarded the system along with pinching my/others pocket books. If you want to send me to Jolly Ol England, PLEASE Pay for my tickets and immigration fee's and I will gladly go, no problem. It beats being here.

tanya
tanya

Bob- sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me heard of that saying... SOrry Bob but you are the Crackpot... what's with the name calling??? I never called anyone anything.. YOu will be in Hell for your closed minded brain... Go to England Bob and have high tea.. You are just plain sick! I feel sorry for people like you I will pray for your soul. Tanya

Bob
Bob

Tanya- You are a crackpot!!! It's not the color of their skin, it's not the legal immigrents who come here and work hard. It's the ILLEGAL Immigrents who come here, crap on America, and suck everyone dry. They send Billions of dollars back to mexico, and not pay into our system. People like you believe in a double standard, pro mexico double standard. If you add up the the amount they "Give" to our society with labor, they are taking "More" from our pocket books. Oh.. and all the Illegals will go to HELL for their own selfishness from taking what is not "THEIRS". That's their border from "Heaven".

tanya
tanya

I wish everyone would put theirselves in other people's shoes... YOu have no idea how hard immigrants have it here. Just how would you feel if you were the one in a country that did not want you? Seek God in all things including this!Oh and by the way have you ever thought how it would be when YOu get to heaven ??? Mexicans are going to be there too and there will be no Borders. I hope to see you there ! It is a shame people judge others by the skin tone that God has given to us. Have a Nice Day!

Alex
Alex

Thank you Tom.

Tom
Tom

Alex- Re-read your commment.... It Does not make sense and it's hard to read. At least your trying though.

Alex
Alex

TO TOM: Hate in your heart don't let you READ, I LIVE IN MEXICO, I am just defending the immigrants of all nationalities, and I know that what I wrote makes sense, and I write in English lot better than many people who live in the U.S believe me...including legal citizens, first read before you spread your hate...

Tom
Tom

Alex.....GO BACK TO MEXICO> Invest is English courses. I couldn't finish what you said because it did not make any sense. LEARN ENGLISH!!! Or forever hold your peace!!

alex
alex

This is unbelievable. (excuse my english as I am not american and not immigrant either and I don't live in en U.S and I hope I never have to) but all you fighting with each other like barrio people and that goes to the guy that it's very angry at mexicans, I really wish that all the mexican immigrants leave the states and go to europe or somewhere else but mexico, because here is very difficult to make a living for a lot of people, leave the states and I want to see what angry americans eat, by the way we should not call americans americas because we all that live in america we are americans, because they will not work under the sun or doing all those jobs that white people don't want to do. It's so easy for you to travel around with no problems, we have to go to the U.S consulate where they treat us like garbaje and on top of that they charge us 100.00 usd for a visa that we might not get at the end, and you just have to get a pasport that nobody will deny and come to mexico where you are so welcome. I have a sister who is a doctor in the U.S and she saves lives and pay taxes, etc. but the new immigration stupid law will not allow her to keep working, she�s been trying to get the green card for 14 years and now whe will loose everything because all you hate mexicans. She did not take anybody's job, she was picked from a room full of U.S citizen and no one was as good as her.mu�ita mexicana.

Bill Hadeley
Bill Hadeley

Well maybe not all of them. But the ones I have met!!

Bill Hadeley
Bill Hadeley

What she means is she is an ILLEAGAL!! Pretending to be someone she is not!! Well I guess it is true, They are all liars and thieves just trying to decieve us! Go back to Mexico!!

Linda Rose
Linda Rose

Haha - I am a immigrant from mexico, just wanted you to smell the tacos. Just testing you the American people how they reacted to the Native People.

David
David

i will have to agree with alot of people i was born an american and a so called "white person" and i agree that you should take the time to learn english. i hate the fact taht i have to get my friend to speak spanish for me to the lunch lady at school just cause i want seconds..... and i am getting sick and tired of eating mexican oriented food every day at school. and linda i lived in sout dakota with native americans you all are a bunch of narrow minded people who cant let go of the past and realize you guys have it made out for you.

Terry
Terry

Linda Rose... Enroll yourself in 4th grade U.S History, English, and Geography class. The history class will teach you baby steps on the U.S Constitution along with our Independence Day (July 4th) not mexican independence day. The English class will... well that's a no brainer compared to your spelling. And the Geography class will inform you the 2007 current border of the United States of America. Do yourself a favor and stop living in the past with your horse and buggy.

Jamie
Jamie

Lame excuse Linda, again another un-educated comment based soley on opinion. Hence linda I AM A NATIVE AMERICAN. I was born here. So THAT comment is out dated, should have been said in 1776. This is 2007. Go back to mexico linda.

Veronica
Veronica

I don't have an issue with people wanted to live here,it's AMERICA,who wouldn't want to live in this free,full of oppurtunity,country.But become citizens,like everyone else has to!!It's tough but worth it!SO DO IT!

Sally
Sally

Please, go back to Mexico.

Linda Rose
Linda Rose

Jamie just go back to where you came from, this is our land so pack up and leave. Your are not welcome to this Native Country. You can laugh all you want and tell me I am an un-educated person that is none of you business. Remember this is my land I don't care how you paid for this land but this land still belongs to the Native People. So just go away and go home. I have may own laguage I don't have to learn your english language. But you still stole our land. So pack up and leave my Native Country. You don't tell me where I come from, I was always here in my Native Country. You white people don't have any respect for anybody. SO JUST GO HOME>

Jamie
Jamie

Haha what an un-educated deluded comment from Linda Rose!!! Hello..... Indians came from Bering Sound, from northeastern Siberia into Alaska. Before that it was no-mans land here. "Whites" (persay to your ignorant comment) just made everything better by building homes, jobs, and civilizations. Now Linda, if you are speaking from the Native Indian perspective, shouldn't you be pissed that everything from consumer goods to T.V are not in the Indian language but spanish? Sure Native Indians were here first, but shouldn't some culture reflect from them and not just the mass of mexicans?I think you forgot that we purchased this land from the mexicans in the 1800's so they can purchase more burritos.

Linda Rose
Linda Rose

I have no problems with immigrants. This was NATIVE LAND before the white people came and took away our land. As far as illegals immigratns white people are here illegal. They just took away our country. To this day we as NATIVE'S don't have any rights we have been trading with the mexicans before the white people came to this Native Country. Freedom of Speach we can speak in our own language white people can't tell us not to speak in our native tongue the white people can't take that away from us. Remember this is native coutry. White people are here illegal they should go back to where the came from and give the land back to the NATIVE PEOPLE. They stole our land mother earth.

Bill Hadeley
Bill Hadeley

NO COLLUMS IN AN AMERICAN NEWSPAPER SHOULD BE WRITTEN BY ANYONE BUT AMERICANS. AND AS FOR THE WHITE NOISE OF TALK SHOW IDIOTS COULD YOU BE REFFERING TO ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR TODAY...A HISPANIC NAMED TOM LYCUS. I READ YOUR EXCUSES FOR THE INCONSIDERATE BAHAVIOR BUT NO ACTUAL REASON WHICH LEADS ME TO THE CONCLUSION I HAVE HAD ALL ALONG, THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST RUDE AND INCONSIDERATE! SO GET THEM OUT OF HERE BEFORE THEY TURN AMERICA INTO MEXICO. ITS ALREADY HAPPENING IN THE BOARDER STATES, JUST LOOK AT THE PREDOMINANT HISPANIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW WELL KEPT THEY ARE!!

robert
robert

I didn't see an answer to the question of why so inconsiderate with the loud music.Me and my wife(who is hispanic) are awakened at two or three o' clock in the morning by bass heavy spanish rap music on a regular basis from my next door neighbors.I have spoke to them about it on several occasions to no avail.I'm not the type to call the cops for something like this,I just want a little consideration.I need to sleep and frankly this sucks.My wife says it is a cultural thing,but what free culture has such blatant disregard for the feelings of others?I don't get it.

Riki
Riki

The basic bottom line here is that ILLEGAL immigrants, and I stress the word ILLEGAL, are not entitled to any rights in the United States period! They are not citizens, they have no civil rights here and they broke our laws by entering our country without going through the proper channels. This country was built by immigrants who came here LEGALLY to begin a new life. This IS America and the language IS ENGLISH! It's very disheartening to drive through communities and see strip malls with store signs posted entirely in spanish and painted to look like something from south of the border. If you come here to live the American life than you don't need to make our communities look like the homeland that you decided to leave. Stop trying to make this country into your old country. If you want to start a new life, than leave your old one behind and start living the American way. You need to go home and come back the way you're supposed to. LEGALLY!!!! Illegal is illegal period. It means if you have done something that is against the law than you have to pay the price for that. Why are people deciding to come here illegally? Are they trying to hide something? Makes one wonder why they choose to come here illegally instead of legally! Many immigrants who founded this country had to wait endlessly to get here. But they did it and so should those who now want to live the American life.

MITCH SMITH
MITCH SMITH

Your comments ,instead of making this an immagration issue turned it in to a race issue by using the word white. I've seen nothing about race in that whole article except from you! So (YOU) can go back to Mexico we dont want (YOU) here.

Alan
Alan

Typical...you saw a spelling mistake. He spelled the word correctly. What he did do was make a grammatical error.

Mexicana in Mexico
Mexicana in Mexico

It's very amusing for a mexican to see a comment written by an american with spelling mistakes. "That's to bad" should be "That's too bad".

My second source of amusement comes from the fact that a "Mexican", who has lived most of his life in the US and not in Mexico, should explain Mexican behaviour. Most "Mexicans", like Arellano, have a distorted view of the Mexican culture because they see it through the eyes of the American culture. This column should be written by a Mexican (notice the abscence of quotation marks) and not a so called "Mexican".

Bill Hadeley
Bill Hadeley

Payback? Interesting! Now a little truth comes out! Thank you for confirming my suspicions, but I did nothing to you or your people. Why dont you let the rest of us in on how you people think or give us some lessons on how to be rude, inconsiderate, and blameless all at once!! You know, I used to blare my radio at full volume too, When i was 16 and 17 years old! Time to grow up. Dont you think? And by the way, coward, if you know the English translation for the Spanish words you used in your article why not use them? Afraid? Thats to bad!

 
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