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C’mon, Fred: What a ridiculous argument Fred Goldman makes for publishing O.J. Simpson's garbage book ("Snuff Book," The Bird, September 20)! As if, in so doing, he's going to help women in abusive relationships. Please!

The real reason for Goldman's pushing the book is obvious. He wants to make loads of money! O.J.'s protected from having to pay out the millions Goldman and his family won because he lives in a state, Florida, that doesn't recognize the lawsuit judgment they won in California, and Goldman has to profit off his son Ron's death somehow. That's what fathers do, right?

I'm just happy that O.J. has managed to get himself thrown in jail in Las Vegas. It should have happened after he murdered Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson, but better late than never.
John Riley, PhoenixPARTY MONSTERS

They’re called children for a reason: Has anyone considered placing the blame for what happened on this trip on the students ("Eurotrashed," Megan Irwin, September 13)? It was the students who decided to go out and get drunk every night to the point where they were falling down.

If it's anyone else's fault, it's the parents' for not teaching their kids control. In today's high schools, kids go out every weekend and get just as drunk as do kids in Europe. I know, because not only do I know some of these kids, I was a part of this a couple of years ago.

The parents are only trying to find excuses to not to blame their children, when their kids acted like a bunch of 2-year-olds in another part of the world. I was a student on one of Angie DiMaggio's trips, and we never had any of the problems that they had on this trip.

It's not the teacher's fault.

Parents are told ahead of time that there is drinking over there and that this is not a school-sponsored trip. If the parents didn't like that, they shouldn't have let their kids go. The parents need to take responsibility and not try to blame someone else who is trying to give the kids an experience of a lifetime.
Nolan Plese, MesaMamma D: candidate for sainthood?: I want to start with saying that I have sympathy for those who had to witness some of these events. I see both sides of this story and can understand why some parents would be very frustrated and angry. If my kid got knocked out with a golf club, you'd better believe that I would be enraged.

However, parents need to take a good look at themselves and their kids before letting them go on a trip like this. They need to realize that accidents can/will happen and that Mamma D can't watch all 80 students at one time.

If the parents feel that there needs to be more parents/chaperones on the trip, then they need to either speak up or choose to not let their child go on the trip. Parents, if your kids are 18, then they are considered adults, and they should behave like adults, no matter what country they're in. They need to be responsible for their actions and not blame them on others.

I personally know about 1,000 students who have gone on Mamma D's trips, and none has ever had an experience like this. D would never, ever put one of her students in harm's way on purpose and would sacrifice her own life to protect others. On the trip I was on, she treated us as her own.

Angie DiMaggio is someone who made going to school a privilege, not a chore. Mamma D is loved by thousands and thousands of students, teachers, and parents, and most will never stop loving her.
Robert Wietzema, MesaParty on, Zac: As an '06 Dobson High School grad, I was invited on Mamma D's trip. Money was an issue, but I could have made it happen if I really wanted to. I declined because I knew many of the kids going and felt that I would have a different idea of a good time from what they would. I enjoy art, culture and history — not partying.

The parents who are insisting that Mrs. DiMaggio is responsible need to keep in touch with their kids better. High school graduates, and even those in their senior year, are responsible for their actions; and the next level of incumbency lies with their parents, not their tour-guides.
Zac Wood, ChandlerWords of wisdom from Deutschland:This article is horrible and probably not neutral coverage about the events that happened. It's very persuasive and leads to the overall opinion that study trips should not be offered to young adults — or, as Europe regards them, adults.

I am from Germany, where drinking is legal at age 16. And most people whom I know are aware of their drinking limits by age 17. They puked out their soul at one point in their lives, and now they know how much alcohol they can handle.

Now, if young adults never were able to get even close to alcohol, and all of a sudden, they can buy as much as they want, they're tempted to have as much fun as possible. Because they know that after they return to the United States, they won't be able to legally drink for three more years.

I don't think it's the job of the tour leader to stop the teenagers from drinking. I think that, at age 18, the teenagers should think rationally enough to drink with responsibility. It's the job of the parents to explain that one glass of wine won't kill you, but if you overdo it, you will become more aggressive, less aware of what you're doing, and you'll lose inhibitions.

On this trip, the students had new freedoms, and they weren't able to handle them. That's really sad. Now, I don't believe that 18-year-old Europeans are more mature than Americans, but I just don't see them puking as much in European capitals. I guess alcohol is not that exciting here because it's nothing special.

I hope the article doesn't scare the students away from participating in student-travel programs. In my opinion, it's good to have itchy feet and want to explore the world. Horrifying newspaper articles shouldn't stop globetrotters from fulfilling their dreams.
Drinking, drugs, and sex: Thank you so much for bringing this information into the public eye. I went on Ms. DiMaggio's Europe trip in 2002 (when I was 16), and it was a horrible experience. Yes, I got to see some great sights, but we spent nowhere near 15 hours a day in museums and learning facts. It was more like two hours and then off to do whatever you want, which usually included drinking, doing drugs, and engaging in sexual activity.

My parents definitely wouldn't have let me go if they'd had any idea what would go on. When I told them about the trip (mind you, only what I wasn't too embarrassed to share), they were astounded.
Name withheld by requestWe’d hide our name, too, if we thought like you: Hindsight is 20/20. I'm sure that, looking back, Ms. D would have added more chaperones had she had any reason to believe she needed more. She has been taking our kids over to Europe for many years without any incidents.

I always felt she had our kids' best interest at heart and went over many safety concerns before their departure. I went to several of the meetings before the trip and wasn't under any impression that our kids wouldn't be going out at night, or that they wouldn't be going to some nightclubs. I believe Ms. D specifically mentioned the club in Italy.

Evan Bailey didn't deserve the senseless, brutal attack that night in Italy. He was merely standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. Thank God he is alive and will hopefully make a full recovery soon. My son could have met that same fate. We live in a scary world these days. There are bad people in every country. Did the young Italian boy think nothing bad would happen if he went after someone with a golf club? By all accounts, it was premeditated, and hopefully he will pay for the heartache he has caused Evan and all who love him.

Passports tours didn't give the group all they thought they paid for. Passports should have bent over backward to help the Bailey family get critical information and transportation to Italy. The trip had its conflicts. Evan's attack was gut-wrenching. But despite these things, I feel that many of the kids on the trip felt they'd had the trip of a lifetime.
Name withheld by requestAnd, finally, a voice of reason: I just finished reading your "Eurotrashed" story and felt compelled to respond. I've read New Times for years, and I've often been awed, amazed, appalled, moved to tears, and even disgusted by some of your articles. This is why I continue to read it, the gut-level reporting and the diverse topics that never appear in the mainstream media, which I personally feel is nothing more than the feeding tube by which the public receives its daily dose of bullshit.

That said, this is the first time in 10-plus years I've ever been moved to the point of responding in any way.

The parents who are blaming Passport for the disastrous tour are doing so in an attempt to avoid accepting the fact that they misjudged the competency of the woman with whom they trusted their kids. Shame on them for not doing their homework on the reputation of the prior trips run by Angie DiMaggio.

The bulk of the blame remains on the shoulders of DiMaggio. She is in a place of trust and respect because of her title as a teacher. She had a good run for the 14 years when nothing really bad happened. It was only a matter of time.
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I want to respond to Ms. Megan Irwin�s Article �Eurotrashed.� I was an adult on this trip who was not an official chaperone. We had 3 official chaperones, and three other adults. With the Passports guides that is 8 adults with 78 teens. I spent 28 days with these teens, Passports tour guides and the official Chaperones. I did not know Ms. DiMaggio before this experience. I am outraged by the inaccuracies in this article.

I think Passports has done a very good job at deflecting the focus from the inappropriate actions of their tour guide on to Ms. DiMaggio and the students. It was not a chaperone picked by Ms. DiMaggio who was dismissed for �offering a student psychedelic mushrooms�, but a tour guide for Passports. In addition, I witnessed other behaviors that caused me concern, and I explicitly expressed them to Passports management on two occasions. These other actions were left out of the article, and shuffled under the carpet. Another problem with the Passports tour guides and our teens not following directions was that both had strong accents it was difficult to hear them, and understand what they were saying. The teens would listen to them, but not understand what they were saying then be chastised for not following directions. I agree with the comments about unsafe hotels and Passports lack of concern for this issue.

I was the adult who cared for Jamie Bates most of the time we were in Europe. She was sick when we were in Europe, but it started out as a minor rash that escalated slowly into what I believe was a systemic allergic reaction to some new products she was using, and some medication a doctor in France prescribed for her. Jamie did not go to the state run hospital in France, I went there for a medical issue for myself and yes it was very dirty and I had difficulty finding anyone who spoke English. I called the doctor, was with Jamie when the doctor in France examined her at 1am in her hotel room, and paid the bill. He told me she had a skin infection, not a blood infection as reported in the article. The doctor in France spoke fluent English, and I had no difficulty understanding him. Jamie stated he had the worst breath she had ever smelled, but she understood what he said to her.

She continued to exhibit symptoms and she seemed to get worse, so in Germany Andy took her to the doctor. The very next day when she was not better and in pain, I am the one who took her to the hospital emergency room to see the doctor again because they had told her to come back if she was not better within 24 hours. She was never hospitalized in Europe. The female doctor in Germany did recommend she be admitted for 2 � 3 days, but after consulting her mother (who was working on a plan with her specialist in the US) the Mother & her allergist informed us we were not to admit her because it was not a life threatening reaction. They felt it was manageable without hospitalization. Her specialist then prescribed the course of treatment that ultimately cleared up the issue and made it so Jamie could continue on the trip. Angie DiMaggio was present for all these discussions, and she is the person who called Jamie�s mother on several occasions to discuss her daughter�s physical condition and mental state. Jamie�s mother made all the medical decisions based upon the knowledge of the specialist who has treated Jamie�s allergies for years. Jamie was very uncomfortable for a great deal of the trip, but the adults with her went to great effort to help with her medical issues. No one acted irresponsibly with her care, and I did for her what I would have done for my own daughter if she were in the same situation. Of course, she wanted to come home because it is miserable to be on the road and ill, but her parents would not allow us to send her home. We asked several times to send her home, but that request was denied so she continued with us. We did our best to care for her, and to make her as comfortable as possible under the circumstances. I can understand why her father was angry, but she in my opinion was treated well and got the proper medical care at each stage of her illness.

Your statement �binge drinking was constant� is not the truth. We had 78 teenagers with us on the trip, and I would say roughly 10 -12% (or 8 - 10 teens) were out to party all the time. However, that leaves 90% (or 68 - 70 teens) who wanted to go out once in a while and have fun, but were not binge drinking or falling down drunk. I feel you do a great disservice to those teens in the majority who were respectful and responsible by stating they were binge drinking constantly. Unfortunately, the 8 - 10 teens who were �out to party� give them all a bad name. Most of the negative instances reported in the article centered around this small group of teenagers who I venture a guess have behavior problems at home and at school.

The majority group participated in activities and really enjoyed their trip of a lifetime, although they were sometimes irritated by the other teens and embarrassed by their behavior. It is unfortunate the minority dampened the experience for all of us, however with the 1100 pictures I printed they did not dampen it much.

As far as the hotel damages were concerned, we asked for the hotels to detail for us the damages to their properties and they provided a list of three items damaged and the students assigned to those rooms so we could hold them responsible. The largest Euro item was a bed that had been moved not broken. In order to put 4 kids into a 2 kid space the hotel had erected an extra 2 beds out of wood. These beds were constructed with only two outer legs and an inner frame that rested on the adjoining bed for support. For the girls, it was not a big deal for their beds to be connected, but for the boys it was unacceptable. One boy separated the bed so he would not have to sleep so close to another. This kid was not a problem kid and one of the best behaved boys on our tour. He did not break the bed, and was falsely accused of it. In addition, the hotel said there were two oscillating fans (E45 each) that were damaged.

Upon investigating, we found out that one fan came apart when a girl tried to adjust it to point at the bed because she was hot since there was no a/c. She stated she could have put it back together if she had a screw driver since it was just a screw that was loose and came off, but she did not have one so she set it in the kitchen with the screw so it would not get lost and could be fixed. The other fan truly was broken. So when asked to provide detailed reports we determined the damages were about E45 or $60. This hardly qualifies as �extensive property damage.� We dropped this issue since we could not get a hotel to give us any substantial information to corroborate their statements. I feel we were such a large group (definitely too large) that most of these hotels were overwhelmed by us. Logistically, it was difficult to assemble the group and move quickly and also to keep the group quiet. Would I say some of the teens got noisy and a little obnoxious? Yes at times, but in general they were in control and respectful of others.

As far as what happened in Florence, it was truly devastating to have Evan hurt so badly. I do not know what could have been done to stop that from happening, and I firmly believe the fault lies with that Italian teen who decided to pick up that golf club. It is inexcusable to blame anyone other than him for his actions. He chose to pick that club up and at any time he could have stopped himself. From what I know, the account in the article is not accurate. It is too bad you did not investigate things further and speak with more reputable sources. Did it not occur to you it probably is not a good idea to rely on one of the self avowed �party girls?� It is admirable that the Bailey�s declined your request for an interview as I am sure they are busy helping their son recover.

Your article stated �they all maintain it was DiMaggio�s �culture of permissiveness� that led to Bailey�s hospitalization. Chaperones and parents who were on the trip agree.� I was not contacted, nor did I ever agree with that statement, yet clearly you have stated that I did agree to it. Carolyn Camp said it best at the end of the article, �Take a good look at your kid��

I do not condone underage drinking period, but we were in Europe and all of these kids except for one were of legal drinking age. Binge drinking is wrong and if my daughter acted like the 10% of the kids on this trip I would certainly intervene on her behalf and get her some help. However, for those parents out there who do not know if your kid behaved well on this trip or not. Rest assured if your kid had serious issues with alcohol you would already know it because you would have seen it at school and home. I would travel with 90% of these teens again.

As for Ms. DiMaggio, I saw her drink � a beer and one glass of wine in total in 28 days. She does not even really drink for health reasons, and she certainly does not do any drugs. So when she says she wants to �party� with the teens she means dance and have a good time the old fashioned way. I am amazed this is the thanks she gets for her 37 years of dedicated service to our children? I guess she will just have to settle for the years of overcompensation in pay.

 
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