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Considering the lack of response from Arpaio and his minions ref my queries about MCSO NOT arresting a PPD officer for violating at least THREE ARS within the last 5 months, it's no surprise that he's trying to cover his butt about all the behind-the-scenes corruption within the MCSO and his own office walls.
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Laura 12/07/2007 3:26:00 PM
Joe is not in on this alone.The whole judicial system in Maricopa County is in on it.They are prosecuting mentally ill 9/11 surviors for what? What ever they can try and make them take a plea for.The public defenders won't even try to take it to trail,the public defenders say "take the plee",knowing they are mentally ill and they threaten them with outrageous prison time.They lock them up for compentency restoration (with no review for 90 days " so they can get the jail time out of the person guilty or not for at least that three months,on a reconmendation from a court paid psy.who also furnishes the compenteny classes for a fee,insisting incompentecy means they have to be fully medicated with antipsycotic meds at $250 a month.So everybody getsa large sum of cash at a 9/11 surviors expense.No attorney will dare sue the county for udsing a 9/11 survior with bias doctors, incompent public defenders( should be called prosecutors aides) and scheming prosecutors.Wake up Maricopa County
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The SEER 12/06/2007 11:03:00 PM
Is that all the New Times could muster, a Class 5 Felony...Heck I earned a Class three felony for "outing" the Maricopa County Family Court on a website for Pro Se litigants attempting to protect their children from severe harm or death. Judges continue to look the other way and the victims are the unsuspecting children of this new century!
The Constitution is definitively under fire in this country and unless something is done soon, the police will be armed with fictitious bogus Search warrants, breaching front doors and dragging everyone who disagrees with Judicial policy out of bed and charging them with Felonys. Arizona is slowly but surely becoming a Police state, hey why not place photo radar on every corner and surveillance in every home and on every computer!!
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Betty Johnson 11/28/2007 5:32:00 PM
I came upon these articles while searching for information on the U.S. Constitution. It looks to me like the staff at New Times is doing what needs to be done. Get the information out to the people. Now if only the electorate will read it and act on it by voting against these people and others like them.
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grey staples 11/13/2007 12:51:00 AM
I am disappointed that there seems to be no technical analysis of the New Times Subpoena. The media and everyone else seems to accept the demands word for wod. I find problems with the subpoena.
I am a retired IT consultant with 40 years in the profession. I have written programs to analyze th Internet Server Log Files. These are the target.
I get the impression that someone glanced at "Internet for Dummies" and did not understand the section on "Server Log Files." Some of the demands makes sense, most don't.
1. Section 16 wants "� aggregate information � from January 1, 2004 to the present�: This assumes that he New Times even saves old log
files. I know my Internet Provider, Fastq.com, makes available to me one year's of compressed monthly log files for my domain. TEXTBOX IS TOO SMALL - EMAIL FOLLOWS
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Whitney 11/06/2007 4:14:00 PM
I've never been so ashamed of an act by a man representing my nation in law enforcement. The kinks and schemes make me turn my head and if the grand jury falters, I will question the humanity of my home. Where do these wretched rulers come from and when did the tunnel of self-promotion and barbarous control become the main path chosen?
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LouisCypher 11/06/2007 1:14:00 PM
Gosh, a subversive bunch of leftists bent on the destruction of our Republic publish arguably unprotected speech, and somebody uses legal process to investigate their abuses. Doesn't seem so outrageous to me. Especially when the filthy subversives (read: journalists) regularly champion those who patently violate our nation's laws and sovereignty. I think it better that these gentlemen work within the system and employ the grand jury process than resort to the mob activities that you customarily endorse. Otherwise, they'd be kicking in your front door and pulling an Erik Jovani Martinez on you. ... And while I might find that infinitely more entertaining, it's not good for society.
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David 11/03/2007 7:19:00 PM
It just amazes me that Arpaio is still in office. In 1999 he was accused of felonies by the FBI for illegal use of the tax payers money. As I recall he used $125,000 of the jail enhancement fund to finance his wifes travel agency and promote his book. He even publicly admitted to the use of the funds. Why should he be allowed to go unpunished while the average person who may not even be guilty of any crime be subject to jail? Maybe my memory is fading, but didn't our founding fathers leave England and Europe to escape just such tyranny. I am a Christian individual who believes in the freedoms that many individuals, some even convicted of crimes, fought and died to defend. The damages that this sheriff and the other politicians who back him have done to the legal system and public trust in this state is incomprehensible. Their use of publicly granted powers to steal the property and lives from anyone who publicly identifies the abuses they perform in office, even normal everyday law abiding citizens, is as Anti-American as Joseph Stalin or Mao Zedong. I would venture to say that anyone with good morals, even if learned the hard way, can do Old Nickel Bags job just as effectively as he does and at a lot less cost to the tax paying public. This current political charade should be an example to those who feel he does not "cost" the average individual anything or that he is saving the taxpayer money. The cost goes way beyond just money, the question in my mind arises that they don't understand the law well enough not to violate it then who really will protect me from those who intentionally do. I am shure this question has gone thru the minds of many others beside just mine. I urge anyone with a clear conconcence to vote for thier polotical oppents in the next ellection and rid this state of all these Little Edi Amins.
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Homeowner2004 11/02/2007 12:59:00 PM
Dear New Times, I too have been significantly hurt by the tactics used by the sheriff's office. Back in 2004 this Sheriff wrote a deed on my property, giving it over to other people while I was current on my mortgage, taxes, and HOA fees. I came home to find people in my house who claimed to have purchased it at a Sherff's sale for $30,000.00. My home is worth over $600,000.00. When I contacted the Sheriff's office I learned they had passed the property off as an abandonded Mobile Home. It took months to clear it up, those persons kept possession of my property for the month it took for me to prove the so called errors.
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melanie bulseco 10/31/2007 6:21:00 AM
Arpaio is in denial. He can't accept the fact that he's not going to be around much longer so he's becoming more demented by the day; sort of how Hitler behaved when he became aware it was almost over.
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Don Denz 10/29/2007 1:06:00 AM
I moved away from AZ back in 2000. I can see things haven't changed much. If Sheriff Joke want's to subpoena me because I read a NT article on the internet, so be it. I do have some good friends there in Phoenix that I haven't seen for a long time, but I did see Alice Cooper, here in Mobile, AL, just a week ago. Southerners love him too! They were all saying how wonderful his show was.
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Scotti 10/26/2007 8:19:00 PM
First of all hats off to all of the wonderful and prophetic posts in defense of the First Amendment. There is no doubt that battle lines are being drawn between the Citizens of Maricopa County and the Police Departments and Courts who do not find it in their best interest to be scrutinized. Several months ago my fiance and I decided to vent our frustration with the Family Court system. We developed a website and asked that other litigants vent their frustrations as well. Apparently this did not sit well with the family court and they sent not one but (2) Phoenix SWAT teams and (10) Detectives to BREACH our home and Search and Seize everything they could to Censure and RETALIATE against us. THIS WAS A COVERT AND INTENTIONAL ATTACK and I was subsequently Tasered and body slammed and later charged with a serious crime handed down through an indictment from Andrew Thomas's office.
Now Mr. Thomas feels threatened because his home address was posted on the net. I understand his dismay however he had the responsibility to make sure everything was removed from the Public Records. Why doesn't County Attorney Thomas file Endangerment or Stalking charges against those media groups who provided his address. Thus, it's OK to go after private citizens who voice their opinions on a website that was created to protect children because the family courts are not! Now Mr. Thomas is worried about his children and again I understand his cause for concern, but does my child or yours have to worry about his opinions or the guarantees of Free Speech?
The bottom line is that this is not Nazi Germany or the Gulags in Russia, we no longer burn books or vitiate punishment based on the color of skin. This is still America isn't it or perhaps all of those American Veterans who died and fought in battle for these Inalienable and Constitutional Rights died in vein! I would hate to believe this is true. Laws have to be legal, not just!
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Bobby 10/26/2007 4:26:00 PM
Captain Obvious - You are missing the point. I have not once said anything about them breaking the law. I agree they didn't break a law. That's the problem with all you far left liberals... you don't understand consideration. You don't consider the consequences of your actions; you only see that you are free to make them. As an American you are allowed to say anything you want, Freedom of Speech, but as a human being you should understand that abusing that freedom can lead to harming an innocent person, like one of Thomas' children. That's why I stated that posting his professional address is fine, because it wouldn't endanger anyone not involved. That's the point you are missing. It was irresponsible, not illegal. The New Times should not be prosecuted by the law, but should be condemned by its readers.
I'm interested in hearing your response.
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Bix12 10/26/2007 7:43:00 AM
I wanna know where Arpaio is getting all his do-re-mi....? How can one purchase millions in real estate whilst only making $80 grand a year, or so...? That's a neat trick and I wanna know how it's done.
Is it also true that Joe-A is wanted down yonder in the state of Florida for questioning concerning possible illicit financial gains/illegial drug trafficing?
I heard a rumour is all....(from an ex-Florida state con)....I suppose an investigative reporter could find out if that were true quick enough.
Is it?
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Captain Obvious 10/25/2007 9:26:00 PM
Bobby - There is no legal issue w/ PRINTING that information. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. The issue was publication ONLINE. Nice attempt at strawman though.
The legality of publishing the information online is nebulous at best. Which is why, in case you missed it, Candy Thomas and Sheriff Joke backed down and ran away with tail between legs.
New Times didn't "bring anything on themselves" but a shitload of publicity and more readers. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, fucktard.
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TIna 10/25/2007 5:40:00 PM
Now make sure you get my info here becasue I've certainly been reading these articles for a few years and I live all the way in Minnesota. You know just in case I am called to court or something.
I am a criminal justice student and I applaude this paper and what it has achieved in shedding light on the activities of Mr Arpaio and his dumb puppets. A while back I got a chain email about the "toughest Sheriff in America" and how great he was because he was so tough on the prisoners. So I did forward it on AND kindly added the link to the stories I've read about him so people could make a judgement when seeing ALL the facts. HA HA.
Joe is a crook and he knows it. He abuses his powers and I can only hope that one day he ends up in PINK Underwear, eating green bologna in a tent. Dumbass.
What I don't get is why is crying about what the paper wrote if he got re-elected anyway??? It obviously, and sadly, didn't have an impact on his job. So Joe, quit cryin around. You're just mad because we're on to your illegal activities and shananigans. You're old ass doesn't have much longer anyway. Would you just hurry up and croak already ya old fart!
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Bobby 10/25/2007 4:01:00 PM
Hey Cocksucker...er..."Captain Obvious," to answer your question:
BECAUSE, SHITHEAD, ALMOST ANYTHING ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW IS FREELY AVAILABLE ONLINE IN NUMEROUS PLACES (INCLUDING THE GENETIC CODE FOR DEADLY VIRUSES), BUT PUTTING THAT INFORMATION ON THE FRONT PAGE OF A PUBLICATION FOUND ON EVERY CORNER IS JUST MAKING IT TOO EASY FOR THE RETARDED CRIMINALS WHO DON'T HAVE HALF A BRAIN, A COMPUTER AND A DIAL-UP INTERNET CONNECTION.
Any more comments... Captain Obvious.
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John Thomas 10/24/2007 3:50:00 AM
Well, Joe, you might as well subpoena me while you're at it. I'm pretty certain that I read the Phoenix New Times during the time period in question, although the details of what I saw are a bit hazy.
I do remember a preponderence of advertisements for car stereo stores and titty bars. But somewhere, sandwiched between the rag's bread and butter, I do recall numerous articles painting you as you are: a shameless, grandstanding, vindictive, self-promoting gasbag, who's cost Maricopa County taxpayers millions of dollars in legal settlements.
I'm not certain that the specific term "fucktard" was used in any of the articles, but from what I've gleaned by reading between the lines, you appear to be a fucktard of the first magnitude (though, some might argue that this statement does a grave disservice to fucktards everywhere).
That you haven't been run out of town on a rail is something of a mystery, but never misunderestimate the mindset of your typical Maricopa County voter.
Hugs and Kisses,
John
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Keith in KC 10/23/2007 2:52:00 PM
Wanted to wish Larkin, Lacey and the New Times nothing but the best, and to add my name (Keith), browser (MS Exploder), OS (HeXP) to the data base of Hairizona Goosesteppers and ThoughtNazis. As to my IP address, I have no idea. Maybe the Maricopa Gestapo can email me and I'll try to find it for them. Would they settle for my postal address?
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Captain Obvious 10/22/2007 10:10:00 PM
Hey Sheriff Joke...er..."Bobby," to answer your question:
BECAUSE, JACKASS, HIS ADDRESS WAS ALREADY (AND STILL IS) FREELY AVAILABLE ONLINE IN NUMEROUS PLACES (INCLUDING A STATE GOVERNMENT WEBSITE) FOR ANYONE TO SEE WITH HALF A BRAIN, A COMPUTER AND A DIAL-UP INTERNET CONNECTION.
Any more questions?
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Luccia 10/22/2007 8:15:00 PM
I know Sheriff Joe and his pal, the ethically-challenged County Attorney have lost his current round. Congratulations! However, I'm writing this specifically in case these corporatist bullies try it again. I stand with New Times and everyone else who's tired of the inmates' running of the asylum. I'm a former editor and reporter. I'm proud New Times stood up for the Constitution Sheriff Joe swore to uphold while "mainstream" (corporatist) news media keep bowing down before the wills of the state and their corporatist partners. I use corporatist in the sense it was used by the man who gave the world the first state ruled by the partnership of government and corporations. He originally called this fascism, but later said it should be more accurately called corporatism. Sheriff Joe would be at home serving the will of Mussolini in the corporate state we are sliding toward. But, not if we stand up to say, "No!" "Enough." This latest attempt to pervert the state and federal Constitutions cannot be allowed to fade away. These men are not fit to hold office. Their criminal acts must be prosecuted. They must be removed from office.
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bradley brown 10/22/2007 6:47:00 PM
Thanks for telling the truth New Times keep up the good fight.We are on your side..
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Bobby 10/22/2007 5:48:00 PM
How is posting the private address of someone at the top of most AZ Outlaws (illegal immigrants) hit list a "seemingly picayune matter"? The New Times brought this on themselves... if you toe the line long enough, you're bound to step over.
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Phx Girl 10/22/2007 3:13:00 PM
I'm a strong believer in freedom and privacy and therefore don't like this anymore than the rest of you. That said, I support Sheriff Joe in many things and so do the majority of voters in Pima County, he wouldn't have been in office this long if we didn't.
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Phx Girl 10/22/2007 3:13:00 PM
I'm a strong believer in freedom and privacy and therefore don't like this anymore than the rest of you. That said, I support Sheriff Joe in many things and so do the majority of voters in Maricopa County, he wouldn't have been in office this long if we didn't.
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Georgeann Savage 10/22/2007 3:06:00 PM
my name is georgeann savage, i live in saguache, colorado and the last website i visited before yours was kpfa.org where 'democracy now!' ran this storey.
i own property in arizona but chose not to live there for this very reason. the political atmosphere is suffocating. i applaud the revelations in this article and look forward to visiting your website for more of the same. thank you for your efforts.
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Arizona Native 10/22/2007 1:52:00 PM
Carol Turoff's arrogance is finally coming back to do her in. She is nothing but a political hack and a phoney. She claims to be an Arizona native but the facts are she was born in New York, October 12, 1942 and did not come to Arizona until 1948.
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Louie 10/22/2007 10:37:00 AM
Bye-bye Joe!!! Oh yea, there were many lude comments about having the Sheriff 'suck balls.' I think we should all wait until next summer, pull a day labor job in construction when it's 118 degrees, then bear our 'hairy beans' for the aforementioned job. I truly believe this is the end of a really bad era in Maricopa. Be sure to email my court appearance when it gets scheduled. Oh and can we do something about that smell by the Tent City?
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mike allen 10/22/2007 4:13:00 AM
I thought USA had a free press not a censored one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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V 10/22/2007 3:35:00 AM
Once again they show us just how "free" we truely are. If they don't wish their privacy invaded they perhaps they should not do those things that attract the attention of the general public. Why should the good sheriff get SO MANY breaks from the good State of Arizona, when so many others do not. Why do these individuals have such an ability of not having to answer for their actions we we have no choice. This subpoena in essence is violating our right to privacy, free speech, and the New Times right to have an opinion based on information that is readly made pubic by the OTHER media agencies (i.e. TV, Radio, other Newspapers). And lets say that IF the maricopa county Attorneys Office get this infomation who is going to pay for all the investigators and poeple who will be going though all these documents? We will, that who. So why should we let the good Sheriff and the State of Arizona get away with this? Because they will, they all way do. I wonder if the voters in Sun City knew just how crooked the state of Arizona's Mercy care/ALTCS program really is. If the State of Arizona has SO MUCH money, then why are some of it's seniors getting their benefits cut or redused far below poverty levels. Some are even getting their Medicare or Mercycare completely cut leaving them with NO medical coverage at all. So instead of spending the millions of tax payer dollars that it will take to do everything listed in the court ordered subpoena, why not give it to those helpless seniors that are getting taken for a ride by the State of Arizona and the S.S.A. I think that it is about time that The State and the Sheriff should answer for their wrong doings. And as far as the New Times goes... Don't give in, not one bloody inch. Even the Press have rights!!
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Joe 10/22/2007 2:11:00 AM
Wow… I live in Sydney, Australia, and this was forwarded to me by email from a friend working in another Aussie company. It must be bad when people are forwarding emails all over the globe about your case!
It sounds like Arpaio is rampantly corrupt. It’s embarrassing to read how pathetically he and his lawyer are behaving; it really is shameful, and a disgrace to your county that he’s been allowed to stay in for so long.
I wish you all the best in your court case defending the freedoms your forefathers left Britain to obtain, and I wish you the best in bringing your lawless Sherriff & ilk to justice.
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Mark Combs 10/21/2007 11:36:00 PM
I need no software to hide from these jackbooted thugs; come and get me. I'm in Louisiana, so it can only get better...
Seriously, kudos to the reporters and editors of this fine paper. Nice to see some journalists know what it means to be a journalist!
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Morris1 10/21/2007 11:29:00 PM
I am all for you guys. I had never read New Times until this article. It was emailed to me. I am glad I have it now. Our rights as citizens are dwindling with each year that goes by. Unions have the ear of legislators, the commoners are ignored even though we pay the bills. They need us only to achieve public office then promptly cast us aside to pursue personal power and money. It is a sad story that is repeated in every state in this union. Corruption of Legislators, Corruption of Law Enforcement. Partisan politics has become the norm and paying back favors with votes against legislative bills that would help and protect the public are vetoed because they would expose the corruption of all law enforcement. Freedom of speech is one of the last rights we have. It needs to be protected above all else. If there is ever a time you need the commoners to show up on your behalf, let us know. I will make the trip. When will a new group of leaders emerge to truly be leaders again? These people need to be brought to justice, kudos for the Judge who reported his mis-step. Unfortunately it will not be his peers that bring him down. Like Al Capone it will be the IRS.
Disenfranchised American
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GlobalCitizen 10/21/2007 8:58:00 PM
The USA has for so long been a steadfast protector of the rule of law and democracy, please maintain a strong grasp on that mantle and do not falter now.
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Oldphart 10/21/2007 5:10:00 PM
Sadly, this exposure of possible corruption in all levels of our government is a simple barometer, akin to the iceberg of which we only see a very small portion. I would suggest a mandatory length of term to be 4 years in any office. Those that wish to serve in the publics eye such as this should hold to a higher standard of transparency, not sequestered from view using political and legal means as in this case. Clearly, not only is the apple rotten, but rest of the case needs to be pitched as well. Bravo to the Phoenix New Times in their efforts to add transparency to local governments and law enforcement.
This article is worthy of widest distribution.
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AMERICAN VETERAN 10/21/2007 5:01:00 PM
So the judge dropped a Baca bomb on the PERsecutor and his gang of thieves.
She ought to be commended for her courage and integrity.
Hmm, wasn't there another "gang of four' which was discretided in an Asian country?
That "gang of four" was not named, wilenchik, turlof, thomas and arpaio.
Let us all who love freedom and honest government hope you win this case.
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Dan Ripley 10/21/2007 4:35:00 PM
Thanks to your courageous staff for your very public fight against another example of the fascism that is attempting to bring its boot-heel down all over the citizens of this country. Go get 'em!
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sven 10/21/2007 3:36:00 PM
This is the most amazing thing I have ever read. Give 'em hell!
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Jim Cozzolino 10/21/2007 3:07:00 PM
Isn't it amazing that after all this bullshit with Thomas & Arpaio, this can be found on the internet so easiy.
http://156.42.40.50/CampFinDocs/pdf/2004_17747.pdf
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llp 10/21/2007 2:50:00 PM
I want to encourage you to do everything within your power to fight these unconstitutional and illegal subpoenas. Just don't comply with them and fight to keep everything confidential. If necessary, you could destroy the data they want so that they can't get it. When fascists try to intimidate you, the only thing you can do is to fight them and to make sure they don't get what they want. Try to get the subpoenas blocked by the court, but if that fails, just destroy the information they want (there are "Boot & Nuke" programs for computers that can completely delete data). That way, they lose no matter what the circumstances.
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Karl Moore 10/21/2007 12:41:00 PM
Re. Comment #96 by "native arizonan": Was startled by your reference to Scott Norberg. I identified his body at St Vincents Hospital Morgue in Santa Fe. Even though he was dead the cops had handcuffed him. My father and I commissioned an investigator to find who had murdered Scott but ran out of funds before we had proof that the Santa Fe cops had shot him. If you were a friend of Scotty's, please get in touch with me at mthead432@yahoo.com
Re. Your Sheriff: Please add my ip address to your list. I'd love a vacation in sunny Az. I get tired of the rampant political corruption here in Louisiana but it looks like I'd feel right at home in Az.
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Erika Page 10/21/2007 5:49:00 AM
Debra I felt your pain. I am with you and all I can tell that next year election tell all your friends and all citizens you know to vote against arpaio and thomas. There's a lot of discrimination on hispanic last names. They dont respect if you are a citizen or not only because your last name is perez, lopez and so on you have to be a criminal..please dont give up on your sons case..godbless you
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Paul Kieselhorst 10/21/2007 4:13:00 AM
It is the continued enactment of local(personally intrusive)laws that are nothig more than revenue enhancers, the ever-increasing installation of cameras at intersections and within large urban areas, the current administrations use and abuse of 9/11 to promote unchecked security measures and now, the arrest of American journalists which will ensure that current law abiding, patriotic, tax paying citizens will one day be labeled insurgents or enemy combatants in their protest against the police state of America. I knew nothing about the Phoenix New Times until reading about the arrests on the internet. Now you can count me as a supporter and reader. Just do not provide the Gestapo with my name.
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Debra Hernandez 10/21/2007 4:09:00 AM
Andrew Thomas has charged my son and convicted of a crime only because he was a prior felon. He has commited 2 serious crimes 17 years ago when he was fifteen and 14 years ago on his eighteen birthday. He served his time complete his Intensive Parole and regular Parole. He was merely finishing the Parole on paper. He had gotten married worked sometimes two jobs. He was working with the First Assembly Church on the after spending a time with them as part of his parole. He volunteered with the youth groups and he also organized several car washes for families whose loved ones were killed in a violent shooting and a hit and run. Both were two seperate families who didn't have the means to bury their loved ones. He took off work without pay for a day and worked for several days on the weekends on both incidents. He raised and donated money as well. He would help anyone who was stranded on the road. He had many people who
spoke at his sentencing as well as character letters. Judge Jarrett said that there was extensive mitigating circumstances, but due to the County Attorney Andrew Thomas's stand on prior offenders, she had no other option but to sentence him to life and
no chance for Parole for 25 years.
The crime was at a bar on his birthday with several co workers and his brother and
brother in law. My son is half hispanic and his last name is Navarro. When you read the Police Report made by the Gilbert Police, there are many racial remarks.
The alleged vicim was a the bouncer at the bar, who himself is a felon. Which by the way he had violated in February of 2006 6 months prior to this alleged offense. This
evening was on 8-17-2006.
In trial the County Attorney brought out the fact that after the years of probation
and the violation, his felony was going to be changed to a misdemeanor. (Sounds like
somebody bought the testimony of this lone alleged victim.. This victim was a big bad bouncer who was pushed up against the wall by my 5"6" 135 lb son and the bouncer threw up his hands, who I believe he felt looked like a coward after the incident. The bouncers and patrons started throwing beer mugs and chairs when my son and his friends were leaving.
The incident was a couple who worked with my son who the male found his girlfriend at the table with several guys. There was a shouting match and some shoving.
No one as hurt and there was no evidence except for the fact somewhere someone said there was a weapon. The other bouncer in trial told the jury that the alleged victim said my son had a knife. Did the victim see a knife? NO Did anyone else see a knife or any other weapon? NO> In fact, the Police Officer who managed the case went before the Grand Jury and tesitified he had 4 witnesses from the bar who saw a knife
or some kind of weapon. In the police reports made by the other officers in fact stated the opposite. NO ONE SAW A KNIFE OR WEAPON IN THE BAR THAT NIGHT.
My son and his coworkers and his brothers were pulled over. The Police Officers did a one on one identification with 2 people at a time in the same car. A violation of one on one identifications proceedures done by the Gilbert Police or any other Police Department for that matter.
The 2nd bouncer even said on the stand that my son faked a weapon in order to get out of the bar with his friends.
The Gilbert Police searched the vehicle and found a knife in a sheath under the front seat of the vehicle. My son was in the back seat. He owned the Tahoe. He admitted to the Officers that was his knife and he used it for work. That would have been a truth that will now haunt my son for the rest of his life. He was not a stranger to the system. He just happened to be with a person who had a volitile relationship that spilled out in the public on his birthday. He just believed since he was living a law abiding life. He believed that the truth would set him free, not if you are a convicted felon according to ANDREW THOMAS OUR MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEY. THE CITIZENS OF ARIZONA WILL NOW SUPPORT MY SON FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS IN PRISON. HE IS 32 NOW. HE SPENT HIS ADULT YEARS IN PRISON. HE CAME OUT A SUCCESS. THAT NIGHT CHANGED US FOREVER. THE PEOPLE OR COUPLE WHO STARTED THIS WHOLE THING WERE NOT EVEN DECENT ENOUGH TO COME FORWARD FOR MY SON. THEY KNEW FULL WELL HE WAS FACING LIFE.
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TRIED TO PUT A JURY INSTRUCTION IN WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DISORDERLY CONDUCT. WITH MY SON'S PRIORS HE WOULD HAVE DONE 6 YEARS. THE COUNTY DIDN'T OFFER A PLEA LESS THAN 12 YEARS. MY SON HAD THEM REMOVE IT BECAUSE THE REASONABLE DOUBT WAS OBVIOUS. WELL NOT TO A JURY WHO REALLY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE LAW AND THE THEATRICS AND BENDING OF THE TRUTH THAT PROSECUTORS GO TO GET THEIR CONVICTION....... NOT MERELY TO OBTAIN JUSTICE...... THAT IS WHAT THE MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEY ANDREW THOMAS IS ABOUT....... LEGISLATORS YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THIS MAN HAS DONE SINGLE HANDEDLY TO OUR PRISON POPULATION AND THE COST OF TRIALS IN THE COUNTY.
I AM A MOTHER PLEADING FOR HER SON AND THE JUSTICE EVERYONE DESERVES... INCLUDING THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND ITS CITZENS.
DEBRA
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rnmicklos 10/21/2007 12:18:00 AM
Out of control! Big bad Joe must be stopped! He has lost his mind...and so have his power-trip seeking followers. I'm sick of footing the bill for his ridiculous media hungry binges! As voters, we have to put an end to this circus and send him packing! Good job New Times!
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the omnipotent one 10/20/2007 7:51:00 PM
Mr No Name. You have a name and a face. Don't hide behind your silly keyboard. You say bias, but the word is "culture". Anthropologists most commonly use the term "culture" to refer to the universal human capacity to classify, codify and communicate their experiences symbolically. This capacity has long been taken as a defining feature of people. A such, the use of the word "World War II" and TYRANY in comparison to these events are symbolic, not "equal too". Let it go. Cheese and rice.
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nikolai 10/20/2007 7:43:00 PM
A couple of years ago a story came out in the local rag (the AZ Republic) that Sheriff Joe purchased an SUV (a Hummer, I think) with a .50 caliber machine gun mounted atop to battle "drug dealers". I can see only very rare instances when this much firepower would EVER be needed, and even then it would be much too risky to use as .50 caliber rounds are very powerful. The .50 round can go clean thru 12" of concrete (or several homes) so tell me Joe, how could you use this thing in the city? As far as Sheriff Joe's shady business dealings, hell, that's business as usual here in Arizona. Google Don Bolles if you want to read about shady Arizona business and land dealings, it'll curl you hair.
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Andrea 10/20/2007 7:01:00 PM
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGEOUS ACT OF PRINTING THE TRUTH.
ALL THAT IS NEEDED FOR EVIL MEN TO SUCEED IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING.
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Mr no name 10/20/2007 6:13:00 PM
Unbiased un�bi�ased [un b əst]
or un�bi�assed [un b əst]
adj
1. not biased: fair and impartial rather than biased or prejudiced
Encarta � World English Dictionary � & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
This is what a Newspaper should always remember , Isn�t this some lofty goal that all professional newspapers preach about ? I don�t know why they do , perhaps so its that people don�t confuse them with a propaganda machine . Is the Phoenix New times in the right ? yes they are , these public leaders have violated the constitution ,they need to be removed from office , perhaps even have charges brought against them . However ,in this �battle � has your paper lost it�s soul ? When you taint every employee at your company with one particular view , you will have no one within your newspaper to turn to for a different perspective . I understand what fear and anger can do to individuals and how it can cloud rational thought , but your Editors have an obligation to NOT let fear and anger cloud and corrupt their thought process . While the sheriff is suppose to uphold the law and constitution , your chief editors are generally thought to be bound by some set of ideals to uphold �journalistic principles � .You protected the publics rights , and I for one thank you for that , but at the same time ,you in my opinion have throw out the ideal of unbiased journalism , I�m not saying one shouldn�t have an opinion . It does appear as if Joe and his gang have clearly broken the law , but in pursing these individuals you should still TRY and remain unbiased ,otherwise your no different from a moral point of view then he is in pursuing personal vendettas . Words like WAR , and other , analogies dealing with World War Two , are not appropriate in this situation , side note , World War Two resulted in the deaths of 70 million people , many of these deaths were horrible and painful .I understand what tyranny is , the thought processes behind it and fascism etc , But the actions of a few local power hungry men do not compare to the actions or legacies of humanities greatest mass murders .My point being , there are better ways to explain your current state of events rather than trivializing world war 2 .Yes our Brave men and women gave their lives in that great war to prevent abuses of power , but I for one will not invoke their memory for every abuse of the constitution that I see , I personally would find other ways to express my thoughts . On the opposite side of that , just look at what president bush has been able to do by claiming 9/11 on every occasion to justify some of his worst decisions .
I wish the editorial staff of the Phoenix new times the very best in their Attempt to inform the public on the abuses of power committed in our community by these out of control individuals .It is also my sincere hope that you will conduct yourself in a professional manner so that when the day comes that you triumph in your quest to protect liberty ,you will not be viewed as a maligned publication .
p.s knock knock , �who�s there?� �.. JO ���JO who ?� ��.JO under arrest! lol
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Liz Fournier 10/20/2007 6:03:00 PM
HEY NEW TIMES GUYS!!! I want to know more about the following:
The dynamics of the relationships between Andrew Thomas, Larry Turoff and his wife Carol Turoff, and Dennis Wilenchik. I am very intrigued by the idea that Carol would call the judge to request a private meeting between the judge and Wilenchik 'just because'. Wilenchik alledges that he was not wanting to meet about the New Times case, but just about the relationship between the attorney's office and the courts in general. I would think such a request would have been initiated by Denny himself if it was so benign. Did Carol suddenly read his mind and then put her own twist on it? Very puzzling!
Who owns the vending machines and the telephones at the jail, and how much money is made by the county and by the owners from the revenues of said vending machines and telephones? (There has been a ridiculous rumor going around that the Arpio family profits from them, and since he's such a stand up guy, I can't possibly believe it to be true. It would just seem so directly in conflict with the best interest of his arrests and incarceration record if he could be deemed to profit from having people locked up. A shining example of proper ethical conduct that makes Sherriff Joe who he is, why, I simply cannot believe that he would participate in such a scheme!)
Please consider these suggestions for future articles.
And be QUICK ABOUT IT!
Thanks!
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David Potter 10/20/2007 5:16:00 PM
I EXTEND MY MIDDLE FINGER TO YOU SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO!!!
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Appalled In America 10/20/2007 4:39:00 PM
Dear Founding Fathers, I believe that our rights are being taken from us, because of this police state we have created. Would you kindly come back and let people know why you wrote the Constitution? I think our leaders, law enforcement officials, and average American has forgotten. Thanks.
A mom in the Midwest.
Thank you for fighting for freedom you guys! Let us know if we can help!
Mr. Sheriff? _!_ is for wanting my IP. Let me know if you need it 'translated' and if you need to see someone's 'papers' to do it.
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joe bob no way 10/20/2007 4:08:00 PM
As a law student, and after some research, I believe there is a strong basis for a class action lawsuit from all peoples whose personal information has been illegally obtained by the County Attorney. This fascism should not and can not be tolerated by free people. This is a gross misuse of power and should not be tolerated any more than the gross misuse of power our fascist dictator president has engaged.
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US Patriot 10/20/2007 4:03:00 PM
Mr. Arpaio I voted for you in all previous elections - NO MORE. You have shamed us all, I will not make that mistake again...don't even run for sheriff again...or any office for that matter.
And as for special prosecutor Wilenchik, why hasn't the State Bar of Arizona started proceedings to dis-bar him?!? WHO THE HELL DOES HE THINK HE IS?
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Paul Saunders 10/20/2007 2:47:00 PM
Something is very rotten in Arizona and it is not your newspaper. I write this comment only to add my name and address to your data base to see if ever it can be subpoenaed. I would sue who ever issued thesubpoena and could really use the money that would be awarded me for such blatant loss of constitutional rights. In any case - fight on!
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michael 10/20/2007 1:59:00 PM
Good grief, AZ., what sort of monster(s) have you let out of the bag? How embarrassing for you � the Three Cowardly Buffoons, Arpaio, Andy Thomas, and especially this fuckwit, Dennis Wilenchik (what a piece of work). But forget that; what I want to ask, New Times, is could you manage to move to San Diego for a few months and apply your talents here? We�re just about as corrupt as Maricopa, after all, and I think our publicly elected criminals deserve equal time and exposure. Thanks. Oh, and here�s my IP addy, JoeBlow, so piss off, you ignorant thug.
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Cathy 10/20/2007 1:37:00 PM
am in Florida. Outraged when I read of the arrest under the conditions. You may tell the prosecutor, I just visited my college online, a bible reference, the local news of Phoenix, and had he NOT done what he did, I would not have ever read your paper. NOW I have. Bravo reporting. Bravo. And for the Sheriff's information, because of him I intend on reading your paper in the future. Nice to see real reporting once in awhile.
Why are you letting them get off with just an "Opps" when it was made public what they are doing? All three should be under Federal Investigations. And removed from office.
I applaud you as do 99% of the public.
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Liz Fournier 10/20/2007 1:14:00 PM
One more long over-due KUDO: to Judge Anna Baca for refusing the private consultation with Welenchek and immediately calling a special session to reprimand his attempt to bend her ear, and her decision, the way he wanted to. Thank goodness she was as repulsed by this miscarraige of his duties as the rest of us are. Class Act!
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Liz Fournier 10/20/2007 1:02:00 PM
Just Watchdog - excellent post!
I wish some of those myopic sheep over on the AZ Central board who are saying "It's against the law to release the grand jury summons; They broke the law; They should throw the book at them" would come over here and READ the WHOLE ARTICLE and READ posts like yours that EXPLAIN what the REAL ISSUES are and quit blindly following their fallen hero Joe.
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Fedup 10/20/2007 12:33:00 PM
Never underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people, and many of them are in Sun City.
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Nimrod E. Katakano 10/20/2007 11:53:00 AM
Hey, I'm reading the New Times website, so I must be a terrorist mastermind! Come and get me, motherfuckers! To help you out with your detective work, I'm using Windows XP and the Firefox browser; that should narrow down the number of American citizens you need to round up in the middle of the night.
Seriously, thanks to NT for standing up for the First Amendment.
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JOE 10/20/2007 9:37:00 AM
HERE I AM. WHAT SAY YOU "LAWMAN".
UNDER THE COLOR OF LAW, STEALING PUBLIC FUNDS, AND JAILING PEOPLE FOR EXPOSING IT...
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just watching 10/20/2007 9:17:00 AM
Remember, this whole thing started as an attempt by Joe to cover up his land dealings. I searched and easily found his real estate disclosures and addresses on the internet. These documents state that in 2003-2004 he had no debts and had received no gifts. His personal holdings include three commercial properties near the corner of Shae and Scottsdale Rd, 10,000 square feet of office space, plus another 6000 sqft in Fountain Hills.
I used Google Maps to get the areal view of his home. Its huge, in a very exclusive neighborhood, on the top of a ridge overlooking the Fountain Lake to the front, and open to Reservation land via a huge back yard - looks like an escape route. Probably a 5-6000 sqft house, single story. If you add up the value of all of this home and his commercial property you can easily get past a few million bucks. AND NO DEBT. He was not required to list additional residential or vacation homes. Probably a few of those too.
The office in Fountain Hills was purchased in 2003 - With Cash !?!?! Probably a million bucks. There are still many vacant lots near his house, suggesting it too is new. Remeber, he has No Debt. Another Million bucks or so? Paid with CASH ?!?! All of these are personally owned. He makes $78K a year. Do the math folks. Lots of people have been investigated by the IRS on less info than this.
Looks like Joe and his wife Ava do their money laundering under the busines names 'Starworld Travel' and 'Ava Investment' So who knows anything about those companies? Speak up folks!! They dont operate in a vacuum. Since the Internet, Travel agencies have been losing money for years, yet this one stays afloat and pays them buckets of money? I guess they are their own best clients. Have any of you ever bought any travel services through Starworld Travel?
This is how money laundering works folks. You make your money in illegal arrests, payoffs, kickbacks, confiscated drugs, cash, cars, dirty deals, etc. Then you take a non-retail cash-only business that has no traceable inventory (services only), you claim lots of sales with no computer records or cash register tapes and no cost of goods. You use some of your ill-gotten cash to make your business LOOK busy and successful - Then claim your income as 'legitimately' generated by this ghost-company. If anyone asks where all your dough comes from, you tell them how great the travel business is. BUT WHERE ARE THE CUSTOMERS? Guess what folks, they have NO WEBSITE. The number is 480-948-7724 (voicemail). Anybody got the guts to call and try to make a booking?
Arpaio's son Rocco Arpaio registered the domain www.StarWorldTravel.com in 2005, The site has an 'under construction' sign with Yahoo ads on it, hosted by Yahoo. It has a page rank of Zero, with Zero web traffic history - reported by Alexa and others. This site has NEVER BEEN USED for business. The phone number listed in the domain registration record is 510-595-2002 which belongs to Michelle Parker - someone who is in the business of concealing information about who owns domain names.
Rocco Arpaio's name and Starworld don't show up very much on the internet. Starworld does show up as one of about 60 sponsors of the Grand Canyon State Games (www.gcsg.org) - looks like the ONLY sponsor of 60 that DOES NOT EVEN HAVE A LOGO. Is this a REAL business? Are they trying to make money, or trying to get rid of it?
Does Arpaio have something to hide? You bet.
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Nick 10/20/2007 8:27:00 AM
Wow, what a bunch of pompus, constitution abusing, sorry excuses for dog doo. Officials that abuse their powers in such a way must have been bullied as kids. Either that or their spouses run the household and this is their only way to feel like they have authority in life. I bet the "special" prosecutor really is special, and I mean in a short bus kinda way. He was probably so excited to wear his lucky pink panties to trail :)
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J.C. 10/20/2007 6:37:00 AM
I served on a Federal Grand jury and my impression of the experience is that these juries simply do as they are asked - (or is that told) I was appalled at how my fellow juriors simply rubber stamped every vote - any comments to the contrary were belittled - I was also troubled that the jury foreman and assistant foreman were chosen by the court not the jurors - I was surprised by this but as I came to discover that both were career civil servants - we were told how valuable we were and how the system depended on us - yet not one indictment was turned down - I discovered something very disturbing - if there is a gun in your car your crime automatically escalates from local to federal due to interstate commerce laws - even if the gun is not yours or in your possession - I wonder then why any crime committed in a vehicle isn't under federal jurisdiction - or why drunken driving isn't a federal crime under this same interpretation. I applaud you for your stand and hope this will serve as an example in the years to come - from what I saw in my time on the grand jury we are headed down a very dark road.
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steve 10/20/2007 6:28:00 AM
Just add me to the list of people that could be given grand jury subpoenas.The reason for coming to your website is my personal interest in the First Amendment and Freedom of Information issues in general.I currently follow a number of sites that try to keep people informed.
Publish on.
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erika page 10/20/2007 5:23:00 AM
What were they thinking? that these two gentlements were illegal aliens with no rights? How they show up in the middle of the night athe their houses and picked them up just because they are sharing same point of views...Please resign...asap
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myspace 10/20/2007 3:51:00 AM
you must go to the New Times MYSPACE page. turn up the music. fucking hysterical.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=60801009
i love these guys.
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truth decay 10/20/2007 3:46:00 AM
TROPHER -- On October 19, 2007 @ 8:31pm, Topher asked: "What, exactly, was the legitimate purpose of publishing the Sheriff's home address?" Well, Tropher the New Times published his home address on a couple peices of paper they found that showed he had millions in investments that he was trying to hide. This is not illegal. The beef came when they put the story on line. For some reason, it is against the law to post it on line, but not in print. This happened in 2004. The New Times and Joke have been fighting it out since. New Times won. 8 ball, corner pocket.
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Kyle 10/20/2007 3:23:00 AM
People of a criminal mentality are not only those who are arrested or charged. They live among us everyday, and are identifiable by their willingness to break laws or bend the rules regardless of the consequences to others for personal gain. They may not have crossed the line or been caught yet... Until they are there is nothing to keep them from being our leaders or in law enforcement. Thank you for taking the risks you have in order to bring the reprehensible actions of Thomas, Wilenchik, and Arpaio to light. I hope the continued publicity facilitates their removal from positions of power, and ends their self absorbed power trips. Arpaio stated he was a victim in this!? How disgusting. There are a lot of victims here. You, who wanted truth and got arrested. The judges, who wanted justice and fairness and got demands for their jobs. The Sherif�s officers who chose hazardous jobs to find criminals and found themselves working for a publicity monger and possible thief. The Maricopa Attorneys who chose government work instead of private practice in order to do more for others and now find themselves working for a control freak interested only in himself. There are many others to be sure, but no where here do I see a victim in Thomas, Arpaio, or Wilenchik. I see criminals, and I hope that somewhere the law or the public do to.
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Todd F. Hines 10/20/2007 2:35:00 AM
I'm sure this will get me on some "enemy of the state" list somewhere in Mosc...I mean D.C. It's a cliche whose time has come...I'm sorry, it's time for a revolution, French Style. Dr. Guillotine was a genius. Proper jury trials, followed by a short visit to the basket for your head before we let your family bury you. There are more of us than there are of these lying, thieving, control-freak scumbags....it's time.
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Robin Boerner 10/20/2007 1:49:00 AM
This is one of the scariest stories I can remember reading recently. Our government has taken 9/11 and turned it into a windfall of draconian laws and measures. I am surprised they aren't being charged with some Patriot Act violation as well. Seems the Feds like to muscle in on the local action whenever possible.
I am in Alaska, not Arizona but I support you standing up to these powerhungry control freaks. I have my own fight with the federal government. It is laid out at our website MakeTheArmyHonest.Com.
The Federal Bureau of Incompetents doesn't need a supeona to find me....just type the the addy in your browser, hit go, see.... Try finding out the name of an official to hold accountable in the FBI, DOJ, etc. They will refuse to tell you the name of the individual that is responsible for a given function. It is a wall they built on purpose. God forbid the public should be able to ask for honest service from a public official. The public servants have become the ruling class.
It is time Law Enforcement went back to the "Protect and Serve" mode. Take away their military toys and the spider web of laws designed only to control the public, not make it any safer.
Good luck Mr. Lacy and Mr. Larkin. And, thank you for defending the Constitution.
Our Founding Fathers would puke if they could see how much we have fallen.
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Topher 10/20/2007 1:31:00 AM
What, exactly, was the legitimate purpose of publishing the Sheriff's home address?
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Gmoney 10/20/2007 1:08:00 AM
We need to begin a National list of
Enemies of the Constitution
Do we include our neighbors or just our Leaders?
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10/20/2007 12:07:00 AM
Go now. Free press, n'at. Oi, Feds! Up my IP, will ya?
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Greg 10/19/2007 11:20:00 PM
You guys make me want to move to AZ just so I can vote against these bozos.
Time to file your own lawsuits against the Sheriff, Prosecutor and County Attorney. Hit 'em where it hurts and show them exactly what subpoena power should be used for - get every record of theirs regarding all the topics relating to them your paper has written about so that you can prove a pattern of abuse.
Oh, and ask for a few million dollars, too.
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David Potter 10/19/2007 11:19:00 PM
As far as I am concerned? He can take his attitude, and flagrant disregard for the Constitution of this United States - and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. He is nothing but a BULLY WITH A BADGE. And since he has no regard whatsoever for the highest law in the land - and flagrantly breaks this law by violating the Constitutional rights of your citizens - he is no better than any other criminal in tent city. He is disgrace to your state, and should be immediately removed from office.
