The Party's Over

The Phoenix rave scene loses a hot spot — and may put another one on ice

The old warehouse on South Fourth Avenue was a rarity for Phoenix, and not just because it's a cavernous old building in a city that has so few of them. What really made it unusual: It was a place to rave in a town where raving is hard to do.

The kids called it "Boo's Warehouse," after the building's manager, 61-year-old Michael "Boo" Booher. And for months on end, neighbors say, Boo hosted raves that packed 'em in by the hundreds.

It was quite the scene, but like all scenes without the proper permits, it was destined to come to an end. Two weeks ago, the Phoenix fire marshal caught wind of a rave called "Bloodfest 3." When the party went off, even after the Fire Department's warnings, they shut it down.

The man known as "Boo" with a young partygoer.
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The man known as "Boo" with a young partygoer.

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Icehouse

429 W. Jackson St.
Phoenix, AZ 85003

Category: Art Galleries

Region: Central Phoenix

And what the fire marshal found at the scene was scary enough to give even the most laid-back parent a coronary.

We're talking eerie special effects, with cobwebs and skulls adorning the walls. We're talking hundreds of kids, many distinctly underage — fire officials estimate more like 14 and 15 years old than 17 — ready to party the night away. Most frightening of all: The party was set to happen in an old building with only one exit and those flammable cobwebs just about everywhere.

Fire-prevention specialist Brian Scholl was there. He realized almost immediately just how dangerous the warehouse was.

"I've been doing this six years," Scholl says. "And this is the worst thing that I've run into. The place is just not safe. You've got only one exit and these scary little stairways. I was afraid to walk on them, and that was with just two people ahead of me."

Take a panicky crowd during a fire, Scholl adds, and those "scary little stairways" suddenly become much, much worse.

But while the Fire Department's shutdown that night is hardly shocking, plenty about the bust at Boo's Warehouse is.

For one thing, while the Phoenix Police Department accompanied fire officials to the scene, the cops issued zero citations and arrested nobody. In fact, a police spokesman says, they didn't even write up an incident report — despite all those underage kids. (The kids, according to the chat rooms at www.azedm.com, ended up partying in the desert.)

This is much different than busting a homeowner for throwing one loud party. There's a reason that the fire marshal takes this stuff so seriously: It would take only one cigarette to spark a tragedy like that at the 2003 Great White concert in Rhode Island — a fire, a panic, and 100 people dead.

Yet neighbors allege that underage raves were a fixture at the warehouse. Helen Hestenes owns the Icehouse just across the street and has hosted some raves, too, although hers are strictly legal. Hestenes says that she and her staff have witnessed no fewer than 24 unlicensed parties at Boo's site in the past year.

And here's the funny part. Hestenes isn't the warehouse's only neighbor. Next door is the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office.

Seriously. The warehouse is at Jackson Street and Fourth Avenue. The Fourth Avenue Jail, where deputies process arrestees at all hours of the day and night, sits directly across the street.

But there's no record indicating that anyone in the Sheriff's Office did a thing to question why there were hundreds of underage kids next door, sporting angel wings and sucking lollipops. (Not surprisingly, Captain Paul Chagolla, the sheriff's spokesman, didn't get back to me with a comment.) Instead, it took Hestenes to get the city's attention — and she's now facing retribution because the rave kids aren't exactly thrilled about their party being busted. The sheriff's deputies apparently chose to look the other way.

And that might be very funny. After all, despite the obvious danger, no one's died.

But there's one big problem.

Boo, the nice old dude who let the kids party at the warehouse, is a convicted child molester.

In 1998, Michael L. Booher was charged with molesting a 7-year-old girl in Pima County. Court records indicate he coerced the victim, who happened to be his girlfriend's daughter, into urinating on his genitals. The clincher for Tucson detectives: Booher's girlfriend, horrified to learn about what had happened, said that particular act was something he'd asked her to do, too. Booher pleaded guilty, served four years in prison, and was released in 2006. He's now a registered sex offender.

When I finally managed to reach Booher just hours before press time on Tuesday, he acknowledged his criminal record but insisted there had never been an incident since he began allowing raves at the warehouses. "I haven't done anything and I haven't thought of doing anything," he says.

But still, I think it should be obvious: This is exactly the kind of guy you don't want hanging around a bunch of cute high school girls tripping on Ecstasy!

If anyone from the Sheriff's Office had bothered to check out the pulsating dance music next door, or even just called the Phoenix Police Department to say, "Hey, something's not right here," they would have ended up talking to Boo. And you'd hope, at some point, someone would have done a background check or even a simple Google search (like the one done by yours truly) and realized they had a perv on their hands.

Nope.

Apparently, Sheriff Joe Arpaio's staff has been too busy rounding up New Times executives for daring to print the truth about him and his allies, and busting all those dangerous corn vendors on the west side, to notice what's going on in their own backyard.

Hey, when "America's toughest sheriff" has a Mexican without papers or even pesky journalists in his sights, who can blame him for ignoring the giant underage rave next door?

Party on, kiddies!


After the Fire Department's bust on October 13, the heat didn't come down on the kids who'd been at the party, or the family trust that owns the warehouse, or even Michael Booher.

Scholl says that once the party was closed down, the danger had passed. "Once they agreed to shut it down," he says, "there didn't need to be an arrest." Future parties, obviously, will need permits — and the warehouse would certainly need to be compliant with fire codes.

Meanwhile, a police spokesman notes that the Fire Department was the lead agency on the case. The main concern of the police was getting the kids out of there before curfew.

So, nothing much happened to the people who threw the illegal parties. Instead, the fallout has been almost entirely on Helen Hestenes.

Hestenes' Icehouse, directly across the street from Boo's Warehouse, is one of downtown's few genuinely cool venues, a rambling, nearly 100-year-old fortress once used to make and store ice for the railroads that shipped produce out of Phoenix. Today, it's used for art installations and hipster parties (including New Times' last month).

It also happens to be one of the few places in Phoenix that hosts legal raves. That means, according to Hestenes, she has to get permits and has to bar anyone under 18. Also, the fire marshal gets to check out the place before any party.

Staying on the right side of the law isn't always easy for someone in the party business. Back in 1999, in fact, the fire marshal gave Hestenes and her then-husband a cease-and-desist order after they applied for a liquor license to host an event for New Times. And the rave scene comes with its own set of challenges; Hestenes is on a first-name basis with a number of city regulators.

Hestenes, who has a teenage daughter, says she grew concerned about what she and her staffers saw across the street. When she questioned Booher about how he got around the curfew issue, Hestenes says, he responded that he made sure not to let the young ravers leave before 7 a.m., when curfew expires. Kind of like a church lock-in, only with plenty of trance music.

It was the wrong thing to tell a mom who's concerned about safety, even if that mom is someone cool enough to host raves of her own.

So, as Hestenes confirms, she contacted city officials, including the mayor's deputy chief of staff, Bill Scheel. Scheel confirms that he forwarded the message to the Fire Department.

How Hestenes' role in the bust became public knowledge isn't clear. Scholl says he and his colleagues in the Fire Department would not have revealed a source — and, no doubt, the cops would say the same thing. But kids at the party angrily swarmed to chat rooms in the days after the aborted rave, reporting that someone they thought was the fire marshal had told them, "You can thank Helen for this."

In no time, Hestenes received an angry e-mail: "Thanks for breaking up our rave Saturday, you stupid bitch. Definitely never going to the Icehouse again."

The chat rooms were full of such denunciations. Ravers felt Hestenes was upset about losing business to the unlicensed scene at Boo's, a charge she adamantly denies.

"[E]veryone take note that she has no loyalty to the scene and deserves no loyalty in return," one guy wrote.

The Icehouse is already in dire straits. It's one of the few remaining arty spaces on a block that's increasingly populated by ugly government complexes, and Hestenes has trouble making enough money to keep the electricity on and the taxes paid. Recently, she learned that she faces an astonishing 85 percent property tax increase.

Criticism from the ravers has only made a tough situation worse.

"The only reason I brought this to the mayor's attention is the safety of those kids," Hestenes says.

And Hestenes can't help but note the irony of all the government scrutiny she's faced while trying to do everything by the book.

"They've been so hard on me for 17 years," she says, "and yet they just let Boo go on."

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'96 FOREVER
'96 FOREVER

Truth be told, there would be no Phoenix Rave Scene without Helen and the Icehouse. It's a AZ Dance Music landmark.

raving 101
raving 101

But there's no record indicating that anyone in the Sheriff's Office did a thing to question why there were hundreds of underage kids next door, sporting angel wings and sucking lollipops.

i didnt know it was illegal for anyone to eat lollipops or wear angel wings?

when did that law come into affect?

Samantha
Samantha

As an ex-raver I have raved at boos warehouse. But, I had no idea that BOO was a convicted childmolester. That is sick and discusting. This article tought me and my friend alot thanks.

Noob Ravers STFU
Noob Ravers STFU

Will you dumbass kids that have only been in the scene for a year please stop posting. You make these immature idiotic comments and no one is going to take anyone from the scene seriously with you kids running around wearing a pound of kandie on each arm and giving each other back rubs.

Skitz
Skitz

well, i just wanna say its not what you all make it out to be. You just wanna shut us down cause you have a problem with how we like to live. Shit if you only knew how good raves are your whoever you wanna be just the regular old you. Try and shut the rave scene down IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN

Skitz
Skitz

well, i just wanna say its not what you all make it out to be. You just wanna shut us down cause you have a problem with how we like to live. Shit if you only knew how good raves are your whoever you wanna be just the regular old you. Try and shut the rave scene down IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN

Fox
Fox

I honestly think that it's simply a matter of desperation. Hennesy can't afford her venue and ravers prefer one where the venue isn't run by a raving bitch. I mean, I'm sure it's torture for her to look across the street and see hundred of people having the time of their lives, but getting back at someone who has served his time and learned his lesson is absolutely uncalled for.

In closing. The rave scene will never disappear. There are multiple raves every weekend and if one venue shuts down another one will be found. If safe venues are taken away, then the ravers will simply find new ones, ones that maybe aren't so safe. If this is a matter of safety for your children, let things continue as they are. Like the article said, no one has died. What parent would be upset about his or her child partying at a fenced in venue right next to the police department. You aren't going to get any safer than that.

Fox
Fox

I honestly think that it's simply a matter of desperation. Hennesy can't afford her venue and ravers prefer one where the venue isn't run by a raving bitch. I mean, I'm sure it's torture for her to look across the street and see hundred of people having the time of their lives, but getting back at someone who has served his time and learned his lesson is absolutely uncalled for.

In closing. The rave scene will never disappear. There are multiple raves every weekend and if one venue shuts down another one will be found. If safe venues are taken away, then the ravers will simply find new ones, ones that maybe aren't so safe. If this is a matter of safety for your children, let things continue as they are. Like the article said, no one has died. What parent would be upset about his or her child partying at a fenced in venue right next to the police department. You aren't going to get any safer than that.

sally
sally

thats so lame. lets the kids do what they want, if they get hurt its their own fault. they arnt trying to hurt anyone or cause any harm. this city is just way to dramatic. get over yourself.

mike
mike

i almost begin to wonder if the sheriff is involved with that warehouse

Chris Flaherty
Chris Flaherty

Its easy to blame the promoters and party throwers but wheres the parents? Maybe if parents knew how to properly take care of their kid they wouldn't be at a party til 7 in the morning. I hate people who like to dish out the blame but can't take it. Stop blaming the world for your problems and own up!

KPR
KPR

Just read this article online, and am amazed at all the critical comments in regards to the Icehouse and the New Times and the writer of the piece, Sarah Fenske.

However, knowing nothing at all of the 'rave scene' in PHX, one brief sentence in the article makes me think there was indeed, bias on the part of the writer.

Describing Helen Hestenes' great difficulty with playing by the governmental rules and regulations while trying to stay in business, the writer states "Back in 1999, in fact, the fire marshal gave Hestenes and her then-husband a cease-and-desist order after they applied for a liquor license to host an event...". Does Ms. Fenske really intend to paint a picture of a business woman, in planning for an upcoming event; acquiring a permit form, filling it out, and submitting it to the proper authorities ONLY to receive in reply a Cease-and-Desist order? I've filled out quite a few forms and submitted them to quite a few agencies and have, many times, gotten the run-around, but never have I turned in a form only to receive a swift kick in the butt that is a cease-and-desist order.

Other than that, I've found Ms. Fenske to be a credible and talented writer and look forward to reading more of her articles online.

Kate
Kate

If there is really such an issue with these kids going to these events, where the hell are the parents? They should be the ones stepping in and managing where their children are allowed to go and what they are allowed to do. What parent is allowing their teenage daughter to leave the house dressed in a bra and panties to go to a club run by a sex offender? Why are these parents giving their children so much freedom? They are children, for god's sake, and they need boundaries. Parents need to step up and set guidelines. If you don't want your kid going to a rave, don't let them. If you don't want your kid dressing like a slut, don't let them. You buy their clothes. You drive them around and/or buy them cars. They live in your house. You set the rules. Quit trying to make the rest of the world responsible for your children. I am appalled at the fact that there is obviously such a presence of underage kids at these functions, and that these venues are being so irresponsible about carding their patrons. But I am more appalled at the parents of these kids who obviously don't give a shit about what their kids are up to.

And kids....for god's sake, be a kid, at least for a couple more years. Because you have the rest of your life to be an adult, and it's not that great...trust me.

not a dumb ass
not a dumb ass

ok first i think wht boo did was the WORST thing someone could ever do and is unforgivable. ok now that i have said that i think it is completley RETARDED for people to think because parties are being thrown at his venue that some damn underage orgy is going on. yea it is kinda weird but its not like the parties are themed for child molesters or half off for convected sex offenders. we're talkin about one guy here, one old ass guy i should add. its not like there arn't, and im pretty sure that there are a few, child molesters and sickos at other parties and raves especially at the icehouse, unless they start doing background checks for all at the door.

Next, yea i dont think it is cool for little kids to be out that late even if they are with there parents its real easy to get seperated and lost. but as far as 15 year olds and all that. People we put 15 year olds in prison for life, if they're responsible enough to pay for something with they're life im pretty sure that they are old enough to to tell some old fart to go fuck himself.

Angel
Angel

Completely ignoring the small idea of media ethics in being responsible in writing a non-biased, non-opinionated, factually based article to inform the readers of said article of what actually happened and is happening, we can find an article that is possibly worth reading and paying attention to - enter the grain of salt.

Fact. Michael "Boo" Booher is a registered sex offender in the State of Arizona. He was charged and plead guilty to the molestation of the 7 year old daughter of his then current girlfriend.

What isn't mentioned in this article is everything that was found afterwards. It mentions nothing of the police report itself. It has no notes that bring about the small bit of information that says the girl was coerced into making the accusations against him. It says nothing beyond "He was accused, he plead guilty, he served time." That alone is a misrepresentation of the facts, as when I last checked, omission of any information that may change the outcome of a decision is still providing false information; lying, if you will.

Regardless, if "Boo" did anything near the accusations, that is something he will have to live with for his time here. Yes, I am absolutely one thousand percent against anyone who would assault a child in any way. However, everything I've read and noted says he has served his time and payed what he had to for something that was truthfully never founded to be true or false. He has his rights to live his life, make his money, and enjoy his time as long as he violates no court orders stating he is supposed to stay away from children or a certain age group - and look, there aren't any. So, somewhere the courts didn't think him enough of a sexual predator to bother with such restrictions. Leave him be, and let him have his life.

Fact. Helen absolutely did call the Fire Marshal on the Warehouse. Why? Who knows. Some claim it was for fire violations. Others say it was because Blood Fest chose not to hold their event at the Icehouse (minus the small issue that the Icehouse already had an event going on that evening). Having spoken directly to some of the officers, detectives, and the fire marshals that were involved that evening, the majority of them admitted solely to Helen having called them, as well as the "anonymous" call that was brought in on the Warehouse regarding the liquor board violations.

Again, so what. Helen has her motives - none of them have been proven to be true or false one way or another. She could have the best intentions for the people at these raves, or she could be in it purely to make a profit. However, the Icehouse itself cannot be held liable for the owner being a good or bad person. She is currently receiving exactly what she deserved for effectively shutting down one of two rave sites in Phoenix - her business in raves has gone south. The last rave to be held at the Icehouse took a huge loss by only receiving around 2% of what they expected in ravers. Anyone who would speak of Helen as a good influence to the raving community should note that what she did on the night of Blood Fest was cost the promoters plenty of money for the thousand or so ravers that never got in due to it being shut down, as well as cost the other two thousand that never made it out to the desert their money after they had to be forced out post-payment. Thousands of dollars were lost on both ends of the spectrum that night, and now the only two sites currently in Phoenix for raves have been hit hard in being able to hold them with any sense of a profit. Make your own decision about who should be blamed there.

Raves will continue. It's unfortunate the past few have undersold due to this single article. The action of one woman and one reporter have cost many people plenty of money. When it comes down to it, the entire scene itself has suffered much more tremendously due to all of this. Most of you simply need to forget, forgive, or at the very least move on so these events don't stay gone. These places are a way to allow kids and even quite a few adults to get out on the weekend, enjoy their nights when they can't make it into bars or dance clubs, and have a good time. The minor instances (which this article so "factually" presented as a regularly occuring issue on kids "tripping on ecstasy") of drugs and alcohol stands nothing against how many are there to simply enjoy themselves.

Make your opinions and your choices, and stick to them, but don't think your own actions will come without consequences you didn't see.

mookow
mookow

joe shmo is a dumb ass, well written article...

Toastie
Toastie

The one thing i have to say is SAVE BOO'S 2 many memories were in that place dont let it go down with out a fight RAVE ON!!!!

Scott
Scott

The last comment by Lame would happen to be from one of Skyes ex b/fs friends. What is funny about this is the reason she left him is because he cheated on her with a 17 year old and he is in his late 20s.

So really unless you have something more intelligent to say and would like to do it with your name posted and not "lame" or "anon" don't post because you're just proving to be a immature child yourself.

this is lame
this is lame

comment 70 "dice" sounds like a little boy complaining about bullshit. obviously u care enough to read about this. stop being a little bitch.

ps- boo is a child molester. period.

pss- dj skyee is a FAKE

Your Mom
Your Mom

I find it entertaining that the ones who are "boycotting" the IceHouse are the same people who haven't been in the scene very long. Those of us that have been around for 10+ years have seen the rise and fall of MANY venues but the IceHouse has ALWAYS been there.

The fact that people are defending a convicted child molester is disturbing. Im sure these are the same teens that are rolled out every weekend romping around in their panties and bras. I could give 2 shits if you boycott the IceHouse because you know what? Without YOU the scene is a better place for the veterans to enjoy what we have continued to focus on for all these years: THE MUSIC.

And Skye, you need to STFU already. Since when have you been the be all know all of the Phoenix rave scene? You have passed off other people's mixes as your own, you have stolen artwork from a popular website and passed that off as your own, You have lied about being friends with well known Dj's and producers, you have sex with carebears, you pose for disgusting pictures and you are a shitty DJ. You have only been in Arizona for what, 3 years now? Take your fake ass back to Indiana where you belong.

phaze
phaze

wow i havent seen this much bullshit in a message board since before the nexus board went down. i just love how easy it is for ppl to stand in judgement against each other. for those of you ready to stone boo, i hope when the day comes and you need mercy, there are less judgemental ppl than yourselves around.

God help us all.

Scott
Scott

This article mostly sounds like a advertisement for the Icehouse. Then again the writer of this article is actually friends with Helen. Extremely bias article in my opinion. It just seem's like Helen is trying to make it impossible for the venue to even open again. Helen does not care about the safety of any of the younger crowd that goes to these events.

Helen being on a first name basis with most of the city officials? Well that explains why the Icehouse has been around for so long she obviously kisses some ass or has been paying people off. Calling the Icehouse a 100 year old fortress? The Warehouse across from her is as old as the Icehouse and better built. Considering it was used as a printer company for the longest time and the Warehouse attached to it being used for events has massive fire doors seperating the new and old building from each other. As well as the Warehouse being solid block and concrete not really anything that can burn and it has a Fire Sprinkler system as well.

What was Helen worried about exactly? Kids getting sick from inhaling dust? The warehouse did have Licensed and Bonded Security working at it the same Security that also works at the Icehouse.

Mr no name
Mr no name

Apart from the general story , the ice house sucks , a friend of mine told me there would be a �great� rave so I went with him and paid the 26 or 30 dollars to get in the door , it was my first and last trip to the place , low and behold , one of the worst ratio�s I�ve ever seen in my entire life, excepting perhaps coyote ugly up in new york new york . There must have been like 15 guys for every girl . Damn if I wanted to party like that I�d have gone to a gay bar .

Ang
Ang

In all honesty the evidence points to the Ice House owner acting out of not so altruistic motives. Firstly, if she claims to have witnessed over a dozen illegal parties there in the course of a year, why would she just now be bringing this to the authorities attentions? If you see someone dangling a baby out a car window at 55mph, do you wait a year and for 12 more instances to report/try to stop it? Even the way the article was written and its obvious bias suggest that money is a factor. Why else mention that taxes are going up and that staying in business is getting harder? "Boo's" house is also not the only place these types of events occur without permits or inspections, so should she truely be looking out for the kid's safety shouldnt she be leading campaigns against other locals as well? Dont get me wrong, I wholeheartedly agree that there need to be checks in place to make sure events are held at apropriate venues and have environments appropriate for minors. Playing the weepy dramatic "Oh won't someone please think of the children" card in this case seems hard to swallow and manipulative. Seems the attempt to skew the situation backfired in this case and has angered the very money she was hoping to lure back to the ice house. Sounds like the ravers could put her out of business if they lay off the drugs enough to remember to boycot the ice house.

dice
dice

BLAH BLAH BLAH get over it already pleaselet's just go back to the desertstop your whiningplur

Deon Walker
Deon Walker

Wow! I was going to stay out of this, yet this article is a direct attack on the raving community. Accused of having flammable cobwebs, ouch! Ive been raving for 2 years and try to meet everyone who goes. I have never met a 14yr old without a parent. Not to say they are not there, they could be duct taped and hidden away under the "scary little strairway." Haha. I have been to desert, house, icehouse, Boo's and the same ravers also go to all, so if some are 14 and 15, they are at the icehouse too. I thought when they never checked my ID at the legal party that I was just too old, who knew? I did meet a family at Earthdance that took their 8 yr old. Sweet Kid, we all gave him Candie, (braclet to show hope for peace, love, unity and respect)Wow, Rhetorical commentators said it best, especially 10 & 66. Comment 62 �welcome to being a true Raver. You are right, no little girl on Boo�s arms at Dreamz n Drumz or any other rave, only with me at 43.

Ok, Ravers are not defending Boo�s actions or his past, yet I must defend the innuendoes that there was and is inappropriate touching at the raves themselves. I have never been touched at a rave in bad taste; then again, I�m not prime age for getting groped. Then why is it every time I go to a sports bar or a dance club, some drunken dude tries to grab my ass? To me, my choice is simply to RAVE ON. At Raves I get hugs from all and accepted by all. Human Touch is important, it is impossible to cure disease or live without the bio-magnectics of human touch.

Why Boo? He gives people vision and hope. He dreams big, and he is never about money. He is about giving Arizona�s talented DJ�s a chance to do what they do best, and to make it big. He envisions a time and place where our DJ�s do not need that day job that they hate to work at to just get by. A legal place where the promoters don�t have to pay 5000.00 for a junky place they may lose money on. Boo knows he will be only a small part of this success and it takes a whole community to make this happen. Maybe he is trying to make up for his past. Whatever it is, this isn�t about him, and he knows it. I do know he is willing to do his share and do it now.

Why Rave, to me it would take a book to explain. With this world in division, chaos, war, and not knowing the purpose of the violence, the rave scene gives this generation hope of unity and peace. Raving brings musical artist that are fresh and new together with the visual art of special effects, lighting, dancing, rhythm, to bring beauty to all the senses. New Science and Quantum Physics are finding the materials things are made of are strings of vibrating energy. The art of blending all these energies is truly most beautiful.

I want to thank the raving community for making my life filled with more joy. Thank-you promoters, owners of property, vendors, behind the scene and girlfriends that do most of the work, thank you ravers for the amazing light shows and APPROPRIATE back rubs that are so awesome. Thank-you sound, lighting visuals, and especially DJ�s for the beautiful memories of the art that will stay in my mind forever.

Hey Matt- Would you do a rave called "FLAMMABLE COBWEBS?"

Peace be with you all,Mom

Envy
Envy

Wow, really biased aren't we?

This is load of bullocks. Really it is.

This won't follow through.

steve
steve

I think my IQ went down 10 points by reading those comments.

Katelynn
Katelynn

THIS IS RIDICULOUS. NOT EVERYONE WHO RAVES DOES DRUGS PUH-LEASE. WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE THEM OUT AT HOUSE PARTIES GETTING FUCKED UP AND DRIVING HOME? COME ON DUMBFUCKS. THERE IS NO HARM AND IM PRETTY FUCKING SURE IF BOO TRIED SHIT 1 OF THE 100'S OF PEOPLE WOULDVE SAID SOMETHING. GO FUCKING WRITE SOMETHING FACTUAL WORTH READING.

jd's girl
jd's girl

First of all *NOBODY* can say that they are perfect and have never done anything wrong in the past. Yea what boo did to that girl is wrong but people do change and it is obvious that he has. He is such a kind hearted person. Many of my friends and myself know boo personaly he is a changed man and i dont care what anyone says about him. you all *THINK* u know him but ya really dont. And the whole helen thing, shes soooo lucky that people that throw awsome parties are throwing them there cuz if she didnt have them she would have nothing.

Adam
Adam

"Pretty telling that you do"

that's just rich

Hide you kids, people, I might try to pull a reverse-R.Kelly because I have the balls to see a human being behind an untraversable taboo, though disgusting it may be.

sorry for lying about leaving, but I had to call out your shit on that one.

Captain Obvious
Captain Obvious

Adam -

If there are injuries and/or deaths associated with said DUI, absolutely. Snorting coke and draft-dodging -- not even in the same ballpark.

And no, you didn't explicitly defend child molestation, and I never implied that you were. But you also weren't originally trying to simply "remind witch burners that people can change." Please, nice straw man.

(Adam): "If it isn't a condition of his parole to avoid minors and there are no new incidents, what relevance does Boo's past even have?"

What relevance?? What an INCREDIBLY naive and dangerous mindset, given not only the recidivism rate of pedophiles, but also the fact that this incident directly involves adolescent children.

Again, you can't be serious.

Adam
Adam

Captain I'manass: I did't explicitly defend child molestation anywhere. I just tried to remind witch burners that people can change.

I'll concede that my accusation of your voting history was childish.

But you don't think extreme DUI at least approaches molestation?

I guess as long as the kids aren't alive to remember...

my last response...

it's been swell

Captain Obvious
Captain Obvious

Adam -

I actually had Clinton in '92 and '96, Nader in 2000 and Kerry in '04. But, I must say, kudos for attempting to politicize pedophilia!

Not terribly surprising that you'd try to lump me as a Bush-loving neo-con simply because I don't equate snorting coke and draft-dodging with forcing a helpless seven year old girl to urinate on someone's genitals.

Pretty telling that you do, though.

Sarah Sinner
Sarah Sinner

Adam....You just blow me away....I back you 100% my friend.

Adam
Adam

to Captain Obvious: George Bush snorted coke, dodged the draft, and wrapped his car around a tree after getting shitfaced...but that sure didn't stop anyone from this state from electing him. (probably including you)

I love how people only believe in second chances when it's their own ass on the line...

Captain Obvious
Captain Obvious

"Finally, she gets straight down to lowbrow sexual humiliation. If it isn't a condition of his parole to avoid minors and there are no new incidents, what relevance does Boo's past even have?"

You can't be serious.

Sarah Sinner
Sarah Sinner

DirtyDave is right...

I called myself a raver...and ya know what...I'm not...I would go and help work the parties..and enjoy the music but honestly... I wasn't what most would call a "raver".

Granted I never drank or did drugs while attending a party...I had fun and enjoyed myself..but seriously...take a step back and look at what you're up against...I know most of you are going to back your scene....as you have in years past...

Keep the faith...Thats all thats gonna keep it going.

Adam
Adam

I was gonna write up some long winded treatise breaking down the low brow tactics employed by the amateur author...but I lost my motivation overnight.

eh, no I didn't...

A respectable journalist, though she may not consider herself such, would've ended the article with a report on a warehouse shut down because it was deemed hazardous by the fire dept.

Instead we are subjected to a switcheroo of Nancy Reagan scare tactics followed by a sickening plug for a business affiliate.

She reminds us of childish emotional stigmas surrounding "butterfly wings" and bumping techno, and insinuates that raving is a punishable offense under the law.

She tries to scare the reader with undertones of drug use, while she herself sells the reader the most overly addictive mindfuck available to the masses: blind fear.

Certainly there's nothing inherently wrong with staying up late listening to repetetive music in a dark room while wearing ridiculous clothing? Certainly the author doesn't actually care about minors out past curfew, lest she'd advocate nightly SWAT raids of every movie theater nationwide. She brings up harmless items that subconciously remind us of drugs, but does she know the stats behind drugs at rock concerts and in legal clubs? Oh, wait, baby boomers could relate to getting stoned at Pink Floyd or snorting blow at Studio 54...better pick an easier target.

Finally, she gets straight down to lowbrow sexual humiliation. If it isn't a condition of his parole to avoid minors and there are no new incidents, what relevance does Boo's past even have?

And while I'll admit the Icehouse is an indispensible legal venue to the scene, it isn't really much more than a dirt lot with four walls and a partial roof. Also, if you can't see this Helen broad's "concern" for what it really is, then you, sir or madam, are hopelessly naive. I'll avoid the nitty gritty details for the sake of the scene, but believe me, it ALL goes down at the icehouse...PLUS ALCOHOL.

This article did give me one fleeting glint of hope: that if I lose my ambition and barely sqeak out of college, there's always the New Times...

Directly addressing the author:

I love how you think putting a period after "Seriously" where a comma would produce an identical effect is "stylistic" or something...XD Cute.Even worse than the Feather(brain)ed Bastard's brand of tacky alliteration.

The New Times is devolving into a sensationalist rag only useful for its coupons and restaurant reviews. There's a section on this site called "Murder City" about the few scattered killings in one of the safest large metropolitan areas one could hope to live in. Sounds bullshit to me.

One of the pitfalls of running a free publication is that I can take an entire stack and drop it in the dumpster without sacrificing a cent of my own. I encourage ravers to do the same.

too bad the paper is too coarse (see:cheap) for my ass...

-Adam

Captain Obvious
Captain Obvious

You're all making my point for me.

"No one knew! That's the point! Blah blah, fucking blah..."

Yeah, but now that you DO know, YOU'RE STILL PISSED THAT YOU CAN NO LONGER ATTEND PARTIES AT THIS SICK FUCKER'S VENUE.

And for those of you that actually knew his past, yet still defend him, you obviously don't have children. Someday you'll understand. But probably not, because you selfish little twats only give two shits about this child molesting douchebag because he has (had) a venue that you could party at. How fucking sad. PLUR(R) my ass.

Boo? More like poo
Boo? More like poo

Boo should be called Poo because that's what he wants on his chest from a 15 year old.

Ty
Ty

I would have understood the situation better, if they told us that they were shutting us down because of just fire marshal issues. But no, they told us there were too many people, and that Helen wanted the rave at the Icehouse instead of at Boo's. I do believe the last bit of information. If you saw the stair cases, they weren't that narrow or rickety, and I never saw any cobwebs or skulls that would prompt me to question the risk of a fire. Helen has shut down another rave called Club Party Monster. She then moved it to her own venue. Now, it seems like a nice enough gesture, but if you see that she has trouble with her own finances, why shouldn't she take advantage of the situation she herself created? Greedy. People saw what she did int he past, and made no mistake to see what she was doing now. Taking business away from Boo! Being a greedy woman with no remorse! Like all of the ravers at the scene, I was PISSED. The whole situation sucked, I never got my money back, and the rave was too far for me to drive. So thanks alot Helen. I hope you choke on a dick.

Moosey
Moosey

My first rave was at boo's warehouse, it was probably one of the most incredible experiences i have ever had in my life. I turned down all the drugs that were offered to me, i heeded my mom's words. I met someone the most amazing people in the world thanks to boo's warehouse. At boo's warehouse, it isnt all free reign there, he has...er had restrictions that everyone followed. you cant condemn a man for his past, unless you want to be condemned for yours, a past is history, doomed to repeat it's self? possibly, most likely not.It seems to me by Boo opening this venue for us, was like his way of apologizing for his past.Many people who knew boo, or has met him had known about his past, but they still accepted him knwoing he changed.I mean is that impossible, can someone not change? or is your head to far up your ass to believe someone can?

I have something for you all, what about the other old guys checking out ass at the raves? couldnt they be molesters too?? i mean why so much attention on the owner, so sad really, such a nice guy he was.

Boo doesnt..uh didnt only host raves, but he went to them. I saw him at Dreamz & Drumz last weekend. and not touching or doing anyhting inappropriate with any 'little' girls.

Raving is about PLUR, and if you all dont know what it is, then im sorry.And i agree...raving in phoenix is hard. and this makes one less venue, but we'll make due wont we guys?I know we will

jay
jay

HAHAHAHAHAHA BOOO IS A FUCKING CHILD MOLESTER WHO WOULD OF KNOWN???NO ONE!

thats the point. Yeah he should not be forgiven. But he shouldn't be held for.

Ravers get ready to say hello to a way more underground scene.

Skrinkle
Skrinkle

Okay so Boo is a nice guy but ya that place was getting old i like being in the desert more its funner and we needed to find a new place anyways so stop bitching okay most new ravers i'm not saying that i hjave been raving longer but whatever like ther real real newbies ne to fucking lear what P.L.U.R(R) fucking is and at least while your at a rave lean to live by it dont bring your bullshit drama into the one place where we all are supposed to get along and dont think of a rave as a place where you go just to get fucked up its not being at raves means your there for friends and a good time and i'm pretty sure you DONT need drugs to have a good time i mean come on me and most of my friends have noticed what drugs do to you so we all chose to stop doing them and just look at all you stupid kids on them and just laugh cause we cant believe how fucking stupid we look when we all did that so pleas learn what P.L.U.R(R) is and live by it that one night out of your whole week and please if your 16 or younger and a girl please try not to look like fucking sluts and just be in a bra and panties its showing off shit that you DON'T have to show off haha

dirtydave
dirtydave

You know what else people are missing from this article?

The fact that the RAVE SCENE IN PHOENIX HERE IS DEAD... GET OVER IT PEOPLE!

If you don't believe me, go watch some vids on YouBoob or MyWaste and checkout how massives USED TO BE. Or better yet, go check out current events going on ANYWHERE IN EUROPE. They are held in big outdoor arenas, indoor stadiums, and huge clubs where everything is legal and goes off without a hitch.

No dirty piece of trash warehouses, no slimy security to boss people around, and no piece of shit promoters who just want their cut and then CALL THE COPS ON THEIR OWN PARTY (Earthdance anyone? LOL to all you suckers who wasted 45 bucks on a stupid fucking Tucson party).

Look, the scene as a whole is just done with. Raves will NEVER come back, so just face it. I've personally tried to have faith. I've been in this "scene" since 93, probably when most of you kids weren't even old enough to wear training pants, so I know what I'm talking about.

Nothing is the way it used to be thanks to the Rave Act that passed back in 2000/2001 and thats how it is. Sometimes, legislation is passed unbeknownst to those it will most effect, and thats just how lawmakers like it. If you didn't know, the biggest ruling in the Rave Culture passed as a RIDER on another bill, to disguise it passing. Go look it up if you want to find out more.

But it's not just Phoenix, it's everywhere. It will never get back to the 'day, that's why people say "back in the day". Just like the new Woodstock sucked total cat balls compared to the original, some shit never is as good as the original.

The Rave scene here, as with many other places, is just like a bad movie sequel. Some of the faces are the same, the ideas are rehashed, and its that same old soundtrack from 5 years ago that never seems to get any fresher.

If you all want to move into the now, wait until you're 21, start finding out more about your community (i.e. issues you can Vote on, since most of you claim you're 18) and get involved. Make the clubs a better place, since you must realize by now that Warehouses and desert parties are a dying (if not already dead) breed.

I challenge a response to this post that doesn't just say something like "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE FUCKHEAD", because honestly, I do know what its like. I went to parties here back in 97 that had big headliners (Moby and Juno reactor at the ICEHOUSE, when is THAT ever gonna happen again?), and massive crowds, and people digging it until the sun came up.

Sometimes you gotta move on to better things people; it's the evolution. Adapt or just continue to suffer in the dredges of the culture with dirty old men and bitchy warehouse czars who rat out their competition.

Oh and in case you haven't noticed, I don't have "bias" towards either party in this article. Both groups can be seen at fault. The scene is for the people and by the people, not to be facilitated by grandpa and the wicked witch.

Peace out bitches

Mr WiX
Mr WiX

Hey Tyler the guy ruined his own reputation.The question that should be asked is Did Boo see out the rave scene or did the rave scene find him? If it was him doing the looking then it would seem a little strange. But if he was just trying to make moey for his ware house you can't really say he was on the "prowl"

Tyler G
Tyler G

Mind your own business man. your right parties have been goin on there for almost a year and we've never had a problem. thanks for ruin our fun. We appriciate it. Ravin in Phoenix is hard to do and you are helpin to ruin the best place there is to rave. Think before you write things you dont know what your talkin about. Why dont you talk to some of the ravers instead of making this one sided story. Boo's a nice guy. Your past is your past and ive NEVER seen him act sexually toward any raver. Dont try and ruin a mans reputation. dont write this try and scare parents. Its people like you that make it hard to have a good time. feel free to email me. Id love to sit down and talk to you about what went on there. Maybe then you'll realize how your story has no facts in it at all. I cant believe they let you print this.

Mr WiX
Mr WiX

There are very few people defending Boo if you've read all the post you'll notice that. No one knew until just now. Well at least to my knowledge. I'm not going to attack his name or character, i don't need to. it is up to each individual to decide weather or not he has paid his debt to society. Personally i feel rape, molestation and murder are unforgivable crimes, but if other want to trust him that is their prerogative.

 
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