funny thing is that Dubois and Goudeau are both graduates of Corona del Sol High School ....... wonder if she felt that ?
By Ray Stern
By Ray Stern
By New Times
By Amy Silverman
By Stephen Lemons
By Stephen Lemons
By Monica Alonzo
By Chris Parker
Naturally, Phoenix police were taking any tips they could get. So when Allison DuBois called wanting to talk, they listened.
DuBois' name might have sounded familiar to the cops. That summer, season two of Medium, the television series based on her life and alleged psychic powers, had just wrapped. Patricia Arquette, her TV alter ego, had won an Emmy for her work on the show's first season.
Detective Alex Femenia, the lead investigator in the "Baseline Killer" case, followed every tip he got. But DuBois led him nowhere.
DuBois says she called the detective because a mutual friend at the County Attorney's Office asked her to.
At the time, she said in three separate media interviews that the Baseline Killer had possibly fled to California and that he had facial features not tied to any race, and skin that was dark but not necessarily black. DuBois couldn't get as much info on the "Serial Shooter" because he didn't make contact with his victims. (She says she profiles people by getting inside the heads of both the criminals and the victims.)
She said she could "feel" the length of the Baseline Killer's hair, saying it was long enough to tuck up under a cap. She felt he had issues with his mother. She felt the killer would be arrested in August.
Well, she was close on that last one.
In early August 2006, police arrested two white men, Dale Hausner and Samuel John Dieteman, and charged them with the serial shootings. On September 4, the Phoenix Police Department arrested Mark Goudeau, an African American construction worker with short hair, living in Phoenix. In December 2007, Goudeau was convicted of sexually assaulting two women. He is scheduled to stand trial on 74 additional charges, including nine counts of murder.
Dieteman has pleaded guilty to two counts of murder in the Serial Shooter case, and Hausner awaits trial on eight counts.
Police generally refuse to talk about ongoing cases. But when New Times called to tell them about DuBois' latest book, Sergeant Andy Hill made an exception.
Chapter Two of Secrets of the Monarch, published last year, details her take on the Baseline Killer case, including her impressions of the suspects, her anger over how her city was under attack, and her desire to help close the case. To be fair, DuBois does credit the police department with cracking the case, though she says the arrest timeline she gave them was important.
Hill says that according to both the lead investigator, Femenia, and the lead supervisor on the case, DuBois had nothing to do with catching Goudeau.
"Sometime during the sequence of crimes, the lead investigator said that, to his best recollection, he had two conversations with Ms. DuBois," Hill says. "It seemed to him that Ms. DuBois was trying to get information from him. But the only information she suggested was one statement that was totally incorrect, stating she thought the suspect was a transient and had left the state."
That's the thing about DuBois. She's charismatic as hell, and most definitely has friends in high places, but when it comes down to high-profile cases she claims to have worked, the cops and the family members of the victims deny she was any help.
It's been two years since the Baseline Killer terrorized her city, and Allison DuBois has never been more popular. Her show is entering its fifth season of production, she's touring the country with Secrets of the Monarch, and she's begun teaching private classes — at $150 a session — on how to tap into one's psychic abilities.
Her fans don't care whether the police say she never worked with them or whether families of crime victims say her predictions are inconsistent. DuBois shrugs off the criticism, saying denial is par for the course. She fashions herself as much a publicist as a psychic. In the Baseline Killer case, for example, she says she was just trying to raise public awareness.
"It's not always in my hands to solve something, but I can at least get people to look at their neighbors," she says.
DuBois has an almost mesmerizing way of explaining away her mistakes, and she's managed to keep both her erroneous predictions, and her naysayers, largely confined to Internet forums.
She's built a nice empire for herself: three bestselling books, a packed tour schedule, and the reason you know her name — an Emmy-winning, highly rated television show purportedly based on her life.
For this story, DuBois and her husband were interviewed extensively, as were the families and friends of people she's written about and representatives of agencies she says she's worked with. DuBois opened up as much as she ever seems to open up — even allowing her three kids to be interviewed — but much of her private life remains private. Background for this story also came from her bestselling books, a book written about her by Tucson parapsychologist Gary Schwartz, and the show Medium.
funny thing is that Dubois and Goudeau are both graduates of Corona del Sol High School ....... wonder if she felt that ?
I'm confused. Even if her appearance on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was a result of editing, the bottom line is that she did say those things. Her hand gestures were just disgusting and disgraceful. God bless her because there must be something going on in her life that caused her to be so incredibly bitter.
DuBois is a filthy mouth woman that should take a look at herself before she judges anyone...You'd better use your supposedly powers and make yourself right before the Lord...before He judges you! I'll pray for you DuBois because apparently you're so into fantasy that you're going to miss out on Christs' second coming until He's here and it's too late...sad,sad,sad.
The program she was on was horrible and unveiled her true self. It just goes to show you what a marketing campaign can do for anyone. It is very important to walk with great discernment.
The situation was preplanned by Camile on the show and her two minions. Ms. Allison has a serious drinking problem. So much of a drinking problem that Camile even mentioned it beforehand to some of her friends. Camile knew exactly what she was doing and this only shows how desperately she needs some counseling and therapy. To orchestrate such harm against other human beings is frightening at best. If she is able to to do this to others, what is to stop her from physically harming another person? At the end of the show Allison actually stated with such venom in her voice that if anyone of them came to her if their children were missing etc. ("that she would not help them"). I have studied criminal law for a long time, they both have makings of serious criminals. The other ladies truly need to remove themselves from Camile. If she will not do her own dirty work, she is the sort that would hire someone to do it for her. She desperately needs to get help before anything gets to that point.
If any officials are utilizing Allison currently they should stop. There are plenty of other souls who have her gifts. Anyone, who would state that they would not help someone find their child has no business near those situations.
Camile's home was beautiful, the food wonderful, but the constant alcohol throughout the evening was not. All of them had too much to drink with those beverages she was serving. It looked just one beverage would put most under the table. They all drank far too much and some were even stumbling as they left. The agruments continued throughout the rest of the evening. Well ladies, if you thought you could trust Camile before, you have to know you cannot now. I feel for Kelsie Gramer. He must be mortified and at the same time desperate to get Camile help. She truly believes that everyone is jealous of her. Maybe if she sees herself on last nights show it will make her realize how much she truly needs some help.
Back to Ms. Allison, in our world many share her gifts. It is extremly important to never cause harm with your gifts. The way she spoke like she was omini powerful because of her gifts. That she knew when Kyle would die and what would happen to her family etc. was more than evil. She spoke the words as if she could actaully cause harm to happen to Kyle. Well it just does not work that way. I have really enjoyed the show that was supposed to be Allison's life story. Her character is portrayed as having discretion, compassion, morals and ethics. Her entire being is portrayed as only the highest of good for everyone and everything. Someone must have rewrote the script. That character on the show is not the Allison in real life that we all saw the other evening. She is exactly the opposite of that. How sad it is that such a good show has to be harmed or mared because of the real Allison. As stated before, many people have Allison's gift and have not learned how to manage all of the information and visions that they see. Many will seek to escape in unhealthy ways like drinking and drugs. Ms. Allison has an alcohol problem. Anyone who has her gifts and has been trained and studied the use of those gifts knows you should not be around alcohol or drugs. I would not go to Allison for a reading or advice given her current status. Out of respect and honor of her gifts and the many other souls who share those gifts, she should not go public in any way until she gets control of herself and her substance issues. It only harms all of the good that others do. Her show had a very long run and many have truly enjoyed it. Her recent actions has cast a dark cloud over that success. I will be praying and sending love energy to all of the people on that show.
Kyle is very strong and has many angels and guides around her. She must know that the reading given to her is not true. It was orchestrated lies through misdirected alliances. I know she will rise above that evening and end up showing by example how they should behave. I know that Allison has tried to harm her husband's way of earning a living. Guess what, real people see through the darkness. I would bet with your husband's postiive attitude that he actually increases his work, because he is an honorable man. If I were in Kyle's high heels, I would let compassion stand in the forefront. What happened the other evening is not about you, it is about some souls who need help, love, and healing. Their issues have been within them since they were little girls. I would communicate your disire that you want the best for them, but that they need to go and get help. I would then gracefully remove myself from all negative influences.
That show left me spiritually exhausted! I was so very disappointed in that show the other evening, that I will never watch it again. It is just far too negative for me. Camile should be removed from the show until she gets counseling. I truly fear for the other ladies on the show if they keep her on.
Allison needs to know that everyone with special gifts needs to stand together in strength. Our world needs our visions to help protect and heal it and the many souls that are still here. Please try to walk as a positve example and go and get some help! Please do not give any more readings or express your insights until you get cleaned up and grounded again. Words are very powerful, and the other evening you caused great harm to many. It was almost like an earthquake that will most certainly have after shock. I can only pray that everyone who has after shock will only affirm the postive from the situation. The positive would be Camille and Allison go and get help.
On angels wings, I send you love and many blessings.
Seen her on Real Housewives. She is down right mean and nasty. She should be ashamed of her behavior.
Anonymous said... If Alison Dubois has any gift at all, it is a talent for the exploitation of the vulnerable. It goes without saying that anyone who claims to be able to talk to the dead has serious psychological issues, rooted no doubt in trauma. But from what I have observed of this woman, there is something even worse afoot. She is, in a word, malevolent; she takes pleasure in hurting others for her own ends, Such repugnant behavior would be inconsequential in one who does not, as she insists, runs her advice "on the clock" and misrepresent herself as authentic. Well I have a newsflash for this delusional woman: the dead are dead. They do not talk. That's just the science of it, the rest is pure Barnum and Bailey. Period. What a pity that Ms Duboi's megalomaniacal posturing takes itself so seriously as to rely on veiled threats. Indeed, I was so appalled by her behavior on RHBH, where at one point she even made an implicit threat towards another woman's children, cautioning that if they were ever "lost" --meaning, in her twisted imagination, dead or murdered, so that only she could find them. Well, the good news is that the show about her has been cancelled. Certainly, no one of Kelsy Grammer's ilk would want anything to do with a vicious virago of Dubois's low character, one that I ]m afraid is born of alcoholism at best, and a hopeless impoverishment of spirit at best. The woman is clearly a fraud, made all the worse by her vapid, useless, manipulative and wholly bogus misrepresentations of "psychic" powers to those who are either too naive or too much in pain to see through her. Here's some advice, Ms Dubois, about psychic powers: read Lacan or Freud or better yet, Foucault, who have figured out the likes of you in ways that you will never be able to figure out on your own. My advice: get help, and fast, because you are a very disturbed, and moreover, a very disturbing woman, one who, in my estimation, is a danger to the public health
LOL her credibility now after Real Housewives debacle. And you know for sure Camille had her there to do sneaky "readings" on the others. She's dumb enough to fall for that. #FAIL.
Someone gave me one of Allison's books and I got bored with the first page. Accidentally, my cat shoved it into the toilet. Good place for her "so called" gift. Maybe my cat knew a con right off.
Allison is a FAKE. It's easy for some quacks to claim they have the gift, but after seeing her on Beverly Housewives, it became clear that she is a liar, a conartist, and a low life.
Regardless of whether she's the real deal or not, after watching The Housewives of Beverly Hills episode, my bubble was burst. I guess I thought any woman that had been so accomplished would surely have a good heart and a certain amount of class....WOW...was I wrong. Granted she seemed to be pretty well boozed up, some of her comments were down right evil as well as the death looks she was shooting around the room. I wonder how a mother could say, Gee, I hope those women never need my help finding any of their children cause that ain't gonna happen. That's putting it nicely compared to what Allison actually said. I really felt sorry for her kids watching her make a complete fool of herself on national tv.
This THING is NOT a medium nor a nice person by any means. I HIGHLY doubt she is even a friend of Camille's now that Kelsey got his head out of his butt and filed divorce paperwork. If this THING (Allison) was TRULY so damn pyschic then she would have known that Kelsey WAS cheating on Camille and that he was leaving her. THAT tells the story more than enough. She and Camille are whackjobs that need serious psychiatric help and soon. BTW, as a CDS graduate, I am POSITIVE that this troll NEVER graduated from CDS even though she has made it appear on Wikipedia that she DID graduate from CDS. Lies, lies, lies from Allison Dubois' mouth as always. She's a PIG and a digusting example of a mother let alone a woman. Too many people believe trash like this and make trash like this muti millionaires! Get your head out of your butts and realize she ONLY wants your money and run. NOTHING that comes out of her mouth is truth or fact. NOTHING.
Hate to break it to you people - but there ARE NO "true mediums". As for Cheryl being hopeful that one day you'll have enough evidence to prove the opposite scientifically: great thought and good luck on it. Hope you'll be the first to collect that 1 Million Dollars from James Randi!
This women is a nut case and I dont believe she is a medium true people with gifts have a heart and are not evil and I think Allison and Camille planned to attack the other women on the house wives show I would have left that party sooner there both crazy and yes Allison should not have made the comment about the kids needing her help and not being there and no wonder Camilles husband left her shes crazy to she also acts like shes in love with that cute guy friend also I think the money has gone to there heads whats left of them..
It is very obvious that allison duBois is a fake! I saw her on the Real Housewives. She is a really nasty, condescending, foul mouthed drink swilling alcoholic that smokes electric cigarettes. Creepy and gross! I no longer like the show, or will watch it because I know for sure its fake.
I know, Its awful!! How could she say something soo awful about a child!! an innocent child and because of a grudge she wouldn't do anything to help. That honestly speaks loads about her personality and what type of person she is.
This poor woman has totally ruined any scrap of a career she may have had left by appearing as a complete buffoon on Real Housewives of BH. How unfortunate.
Allison Dubois I would say can do this, but she as most others are under a false impression of what these activities are...what the dreams show, from where, why and most of all how. There is a science behind this, but remains absent in the journals of science. The challenge is being able to compile enough evidence to satisfy the scientific method. In due time, we'll have it.
Dubois says p 181 of Secrets of the Monarch: What the Dead Can Teach Us About Living a Better Life that, "It would make sense that the frequency of the energy of our soul that is left behind after the death of our body could be matched my the living's energy and make it possible to communicate through a common vibration". She may have something here. I sneezed yesterday and owing to the vibration thus created I found myself faced by one of my late acquaintances.
I was hesitating to buy tickets to the AU$150 Live Allison Dubios 'Seminar' in Melbourne. Maybe I am psychic too... My hesitation was that this could be a jib. An inquiry as to how much personal readings were- being told that it will be $500 per HALF hour.What I don't understand is, how could a self-proclaimed psychic, who apparently solves cases and helps victims of crime charge such a large amount of money, if one is REALLY wanting to 'help' people. It's too crazy a thought that... all this may just be a rip off and scam, even though I am quite a 'believer' - how could anyone have the heart to make vulnerable people pay such a large sum of money.
It's funny that quite a few of you yell that it is unacceptable to give the real names of the childs. How did you recognize they were real if those names were not already public ? And if they are already know, why use a fake and look unprofessional ?
Appart from this, a few things are interresting in her case : in her show, she is on the payrolls of Phoenix and her predictions are increadibly accurate (plate numbers, restaurant name etc) while in real life she never got paid by officials for her predictions and all predictions are vague.I would love a free reading to see if she can spot which of my two deceased friend actually exists. Test her with an actor !!!
Hey "Phoenix" - you're a moron. There's no such thing as a 'basic fact' on Wikipedia because Wikipedia articles are written and edited by any common person who has the brain capacity to register themselves on the site.
I, myself, can sign on to Wikipedia and tell the world that chickens were created via Sonic Boom, and somebody like "Phoenix" would believe it.
Anyway, well-researched article. I definitely enjoyed it, however I am going to be a sucker and hope that Allison is, in fact, the real deal (and if not, that someone out there IS). I like the idea that my late Aunt and Grandmother still spend time around the family and get a chance to see my beautiful nephew, whom they never got a chance to meet, grow up.
The fantasy of it is just too good for me to let go of it. To each his own, whatever gives you faith.
Great article thank you for taking so much time to research and present information. I am glad to hear people are concerned about her children but if Allison Dubois was so concerned why does she have photos of her children on her own website??? http://www.allisondubois.com/ I am sure that any celebrity has security concerns and hopefully she makes enough money from her book sales, lectures, and TV show consolations to pay for that security.
Let me get this straight. Someone writes a "positive" book about DuBois and she gets "pissed" that they dared to profit from her - but she profits from a "positive" book she wrote about someone else and she's frustrated that people think this is wrong?
"Hypocritical asshole" just doesn't spell it out clear enough really.
Nice work Megan. Now, about Sylvia Browne...
If you look Allison up on Wikipedia they even say the Texas Rangers, the Glendale Police Department and Arizona PD all deny any cooperation happened with Allison's involvement.Interesting, so why are some upset with this article if it's a basic fact on Wikipedia?
When you invite a journalist into your home and tell them the names of your children HELLO stupid is as stupid does. If Allison Dubois is so concerned about her children and their safety why would she even give out that information AND have her children interviewed? It's a story a very fair story. She is just embarrassed at her own actions and has to blame everyone else. Allison look in the mirror your accountable for your own stupid actions. Did you think New Times was going to do a puff piece on you? They report the truth not fluff. Her ego is so ridiculous she lost site of what is really important.
I find the comments and letters to the editor far more interesting than even the article itself. While perusing the latest New Times, I saw quite a few letters written in about this article on Allison DuBois. One letter was particularly interesting, because it offered as "proof" of her abilities an anecdote about her giving free readings to a group of bereaved parents of murdered children.
Now, I think it's great that these poor parents were given some kind of emotional relief for all the grief they're going through, but that in itself doesn't constitute proof that Ms. DuBois was in any way in contact with those slain children. Those who compare her to John Edwards are more right than they know -- this sort of stunt is known as "cold reading," and has been practiced for years with greater or lesser success by many claiming to be mediums. Real proof requires a controlled experiment, and cold reading a room full of bereaved parents just doesn't qualify.
A cynic might accuse Ms. DuBois of exploiting those parents, but who knows, maybe there is some real closure those folks got from the experience, whether the act was real or not. I remain skeptical, but I have no problem watching and enjoying the TV show Medium for what it really is -- entertaining fiction!
Is this article really that shocking to anyone. You have a high school drop out who had no friends as a kid. She decided to make up imaginary friends so she wouldn't be lonely as a child and turned that into seeing things. Its funny, she makes no claims except that her fans are happy with her (entertainment).
Not surprising that she is upset with anyone that uses her name to make money but she is willing to use anyone with a remote relationship to her to make money. Typical con man.
In Nov 2002, a friend invited my husband of nearly 30 years and me to a mysterious meeting. 'You'll find out it's about when you get you get there.' We liked this person so much that we went, more as a favor to them because they seemed to be under some kind of pressure to bring people.
I think I'm as smart as most anyone, but I really couldn't understand what the speaker was selling. When the meeting stretched into a second hour, I was bored and frustrated because there seemed to be no point and no end.
Out of the corner of my eye, I noticed my husband's expressionless face. He seemed mesmerized. Several times during the course of the evening, I tapped his hand with mine, attempting to bring him back to reality. Each time hee jerked as if I woke him from a dream.
Relieved when the speaker seemed to be concluding, I was anxious to get out of the room and go outside for some fresh air. It was impossible for me to hide my impatience as the room exploded with the noise of chairs being moved because we were instructed to sit in a circle.
Suddenly my friend's demeanor changed as they pressured us to join 'it' that cost just $500 apeice. With anger welling up inside, I said, 'I still don't know what 'it' is!'
The people who were sitting in our circle seemed to break into two halves. One half focused on me and the other half on my husband.
What happened next reminded me of the scene in 'Close Encounters' when the aliens took the main charecter aboard their space ship.
It was surreal watching them surround my dear, sweet husband and walk him to the back of the room where banquet tables were set up. Through stinging eyes, I saw him hand our credit card to someone who processed our payment!
As the others continued to plead for me to join, I nearly bolted across the room to stop the transaction. For the first time in our marrage, my husband snapped rudely that this was what he wanted to do and I was going to do it, too.
We nearly came to blows!
His good sense returned long enough for him to realize that absolutely no way was I going to be dragged into this what-ever-it-was.
My reluctance to continue to be a spectacle dictated that I allow him to sign up by himself.
The ride home was quiet, but my mind was whirling with thoughts of Christmas coming next month and spending so much money on WHAT?
That night was the beginning of the end of our marrage. There was nothing I could do or say to stop him from taking PSI's Basic and all the levels ending with Principia. Since 2003 he went to Principia twice, the 'Ranch' three times, volunteered for so many seminars that I quit counting, charged well over $30,000 on our credit cards not including the transportation and meals. Like a converted fanatic, he badgered all our friends, relatives and his coworkers to join PSI. He took off work so many times that he lost his job!
And, when we could no longer make the minimum payments on my salary to the credit card companies, he began the downward spiral that resulted in his drawing out all our equity in our home, his cashing in his 401K, asking me to cash in my IRAs ... Today our house is being threatened with foreclosure and he's talking about bankruptsy!
I'm nearly 60 years old and he's retirement age and he gave everything we own to PSI Seminars.
Just when I thought things could not possibly get any worse, he announced proudly, 'I'm sending our grandson to the ranch in July.'
My ears were ringing and my mouth became too dry to ask how he is going to pay for it. I can only guess he was able to get yet another credit card. This will be at least the fifth or maybe sixth one he's opened and maxed out since this nightmare began.
During sleepless nights, I worry about our finances and uncertain future. I blame myself because it was actually my friend who took us to that meeting that fatefull night.
But most of all, I blame PSI because they tapped into some weakness they found in the love of my life ... they twisted him into some kind of monster who destroyed all of our tomorrows together.
As we signed our divorce papers in Mar 2008, I found the only good thing in this mess: We have nothing left of value to fight over.
PSI owns it all!
X of PSI zombieClovis, New MexicoU.S.A.
I read this article with interest, but was saddened by this author's attack on Ms. DuBois and her children. I'm not sure why the author felt it necessary to name the children by name or show their picture. I would hope that this paper would use more caution towards minors in the future.
That was an interesting link for PSI Seminars. How is Allison associated with PSI? Is she recruiting her friends to this crap or what?
Megan, you mention that Allison DuBois has a �friend� at the Maricopa County Attorney�s Office. Is this friend feeding her information on active cases? Is she the same friend who is involved in the cult like organization called PSI Seminars? Is this the same friend who was conned into believing the EST guru�s of PSI? Is that why Allison has such an attitude? It is because she is creating her own reality?
I am a medium, and I think this article is well-researched and quite fair. If you are going to put yourself out there in the public arena as a person representing the positive argument of consciousness survival, you better have a credible story.
The onus of validating Ms. Dubois' claims are on Ms. Dubois. Simply "crying foul" when no one from the law enforcement agencies she claims to have aided will sign an affidavit in her defense is not an acceptable explanation of the criticisms lobbied at her.
I have written about this story on my own blog, http://idonethunk.blogspot.com...
NOTHING was the result of 'editing' - that was her real persona. LOUD. OBNOXIOUS. CRYSTAL CLEAR. You ever read about the family that she used in a book? look it up. dubois's mother is just as 'special' because she had caustic remarks for the family during the burial of their loved one.
dubois is a fake. she tries to be relevant. failing.
@Linda Listen to the Christian saying Dubois is into fantasy while she takes her beliefs and pushes them like they were reality... sad, sad, sad...
@Linda Dubois is into fantasy, but you, Linda, are not? You Christians take belief in something and push it saying it's reality. And that's not fantasy? Give me a break!
If I were you, I would look into a new religion considering clearly the one you are following condones hypocrisy , your entire statement has been nothing less than hypocritical, " dont judge others without looking at yourself" isn't that what you have done in this comment. Thats the problem with you Christians and Catholics, so closed minded and everyone is wrong but you and YOUR beliefs, well here's a wake up call, if god created everyone in his image, which is what you believe, then what makes you any better than Mrs. Dubois? Ultimately you have disgraced and humiliated yourself in this hypocritical statement!
Do you seriously think this scammer has a "gift"? W C Fields was right....there IS a sucker born every minute. Stop believing in scamming crackpots and live your life by making intelligent, mature decisions and accept responsibility.
and drunk too. If she is for real, she should have been able to read Camille Grammer future and her pending divorce. Instead of judging the other lady's and acting stupid. That lady has a potty mouth.. loved the show, but I'm glad that it was cancelled..
couldnt hav said it better myself. she's vile vile vile. How can you make those comments, being drunk doesnt excuse you.. those feelings and thoughts were in her head all along.
she has nothing i dont envy her at all. she'll never ever be happy until that bitterness is gone.
Also, where was she on Kelsey's cheating? Didn't see that one loony, huh. That just proves what a lying, drunk fraud she is!
.. you wouldn't be judging someone now, would you? talk about humiliation x10, eh? I would bring up the totally disgraced yourself mantra, but you overplayed it during your spew so yanno ..
ON another note: dubois is a fake. a charlatan. living off of others hopes/misery/sadness is quite disgusting.
or just dont judge anyone at all. christian, catholic, atheist, agnostic. I don't condone any groups nor should anyone else. Also for being so judgeful on religious groups it seems silly cause wouldn't it require belief to think that this isn't a hack?