I pointed out that this was incorrect. We don't live in Nazi Germany — or anything near it, and if we did, folks like Broughton showing up with loaded weapons to oppose such rallies would likely be imprisoned, tortured, and executed.

So, see, Chris, it's a dumb comparison. Simplistic. Moronic. Asinine.

(Sigh.) But of course Broughton isn't the only one peddling this poppycock, and that's why it's disturbing when a delusional young man such as Broughton, with a clear hatred for the president, shows up with a loaded AR-15 to the site where the president is speaking.

For the record, Broughton insisted that he wasn't threatening the president, and that he wouldn't be pulling the trigger. But he did offer up the shibboleth that Obama's guilty of countless murders.

"A lot of people want to call a murderer [by] a different name," he said. "That's fine if they want to call killing another human being something else. But killing a human being, an innocent human being, is murder."

Not that Obama's performed any abortions himself, of course. He just supports a woman's right to choose. And on planet Earth, in America, year 2009, abortions performed in the early stages of pregnancy are legal. Ask the U.S. Supreme Court, bubbee. Just wanting Obama to be guilty of murder doesn't make it so.

Broughton mentioned that things like slavery have been deemed legal in our nation's past, though they were still morally wrong. True, but those who were enslaved were living human beings, not masses of cells that might one day turn into human beings that can survive outside the womb.

I mean, we can disagree on abortion, but once again, this is another false analogy.

For the gals reading out there, keep in mind that, according to the New York-based Guttmacher Institute, which advocates for sexual and reproductive health, that "nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion."

So, imagine a world governed by the theology of American Taliban-types like Broughton and Anderson. Simply put, there would be a whole lot of women's heads on the chopping block if now-legal abortions were to be treated as murders. Ditto for the doctors involved, as well as the nurses, the people who manage the hospitals, etc.

Anderson emerged from the church with his family, and I cut short the confab with Chris to parlez with the pastor. He spoke to me while holding one of his kids in his arms, and though I still think he's a certifiable loon, he's an affable one, and far less defensive than Broughton. I complimented him on what I found to be an apolitical sermon.

"Most of my sermons are," he squawked. "I preach 156 sermons a year."

I asked him about an ex-Secret Service agent talking on CNN's Rick Sanchez show about how Anderson was walking a thin line with the law, and that he might be perceived as exhorting others to violence. Another analyst on the same show claimed the U.S. Secret Service had already visited Anderson. Anderson said that was not the case. At least not yet.

"Anyone who listens to that whole sermon will hear that I very clearly said, 'Hey, we shouldn't take the law into our own hands; we're not a vigilante [group],'" he claimed, adding, "'This is what justice is, but it's not our job to wrestle against flesh and blood. It's a spiritual battle.' And I made that very, very clear . . . That's why they haven't knocked on my door"

Anderson claimed he wasn't backpedaling a bit on his freaky fatwa, but that's exactly the way it sounded to me.

"I even said, clearly to many people, 'I hope he dies of natural causes, 'cause then he won't be a martyr, ya know? And what good is that?'" explained Anderson. "Stop and think about it: If someone were to kill Obama, okay, then we have [Vice President Joe] Biden, and whatever. It's not going to be any different.

"I'm not out saying, 'Let's kill him,'" continued the preacher. "I'm out saying, this is what the Bible teaches, that he is worthy of death for what he has done. God is the judge. Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord."

Shucks, I feel so much better about it all now, Pastor. Thanks for setting me straight on that one.

When we parted ways, I kiddingly told Broughton and Anderson, "Now, you two try not to kill anyone, okay?"

Broughton stopped short, annoyed, as if taking me seriously. Anderson got the snark, and shot back something about having to pray for me. I think that pretty much tells you where these two guys are psychologically.

Anderson intrigues me, despite my disgust with his imam-like, anti-Obama curses. I have a feeling we haven't heard the last of this wacky pastor. Broughton is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, in my opinion. But Anderson — he may be crazy like a fox.

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Jody
Jody

Does Steven Anderson like or love "anyone"? I really thought "hate" was the opposite of "love". -I'm 63 but as my grandkids say--baaadaaaa--and my my temper temper--hummm doesn't the word talk about God loving-- long-suffering--kindness--meekness---loving your neighbor as you do yourself----well well --we did leave out some things--right Anderson? hey or did I totally mis your points of view???--I think it was "I hate eveyone who does not agree with me"--right??--Anderson be careful of how you speak of people in the Spirit of God--I've read the bible thousands of times--be careful that you do not loose your soul with all this hate--walk softly

Fivefingers51
Fivefingers51

you a are a fucking moron. Obama is destroying America. Homosexual behavior is sin. Muslims are evil. Mexicans should come here legally ONLY. You suck.

Paula
Paula

Great reporting, Stephen, thank you!Re "Pastor" Anderson and his disciple, what gives these young men with proactive peckers the right to tell a woman what to do with her body? The ridiculous claim that Obama has 'murdered' babies indicates the condition of their mental faculties for all to see so I don't need to comment on the utter madness illustrated by their words and deeds.Actually, you only have to look at Anderson's photos to see the madness in his eyes. Sadly, this creep is using the same technology that enables me to respond to this article, to drive his mad crusade.

Freaks of nature have always existed, but now they have a much greater reach.

Arizona has no need to preachers of hatred. Arizona has no need of young men who think they know it all to have any input whatsoever in the rights of women to choose.

Let Anderson fall pregnant to a sadistic rapist and endure 9 months of pregnancy followed by a particularly difficult and dangerous labor and birth. That is what I wish for he and his.

trey
trey

Stephen Lemons why do you use Broughten and Pastor Anderson to make YOUR points? What are their points? How are we to understand their point of view if you do not tell us their points of view? Frankly, no one wants to hear your point of view, we want to hear why Broughten brought a gun and what statement he thought he was making. Thanks for nothing...telling us they are wackos reminds me of the anti-Hillary Clinton "writers" who call people nut jobs and claim those people cannot make a point. Perhaps that is why Broughten waves you off because he knows you will just spin him to make your points. I had heard these people are libertarians, well we progressives rarely get a dialog with them and you had a nice opportunity, but blew it. Congratulations you are a more loving and wise atheist than they are Christians...but who cares about you? Let us know about THEM.

jdog
jdog

Mr. Gilman... Please stop drinking the KoolAid and pay attention. R. Wright has called for the death of many people, including George Bush and Whitey. Comparing Anderson to Wright was fair. You thinking Obama is off the hook because he denounced Wright is NOT fair. This world is full of whack jobs... Obama is among them and he hangs with them. Case in point... Van Jones.

Confused
Confused

We treat our animals better than this!!! We can be fined for leaving an animal in a car but we can leave this poor woman in a cage to fry to death and then call it an accident??? WHY do those in the judicial system NOT have to abide by any laws whatsoever??? This is murder, cut and dry but will any officials be incarcerated for it??? NO!!!! They are ALWAYS above the law. Disgusting!

Scarey people Are On the OUTSI
Scarey people Are On the OUTSI

Marcia Powell deserved better. Marcia Powell has not gotten the same outrage as when the Chandler police officer locked his dog in the car. Remember LISA AUBUCHOUN stomping her feet out of the court room. Where is that outrage now? Where is the witchhunt mentality that is running rampant in our society on both sides of every issue. A women died in plain view in one of our prisons. A radical black man with a crazy preacher... fill in your own joke here. When are we going to focus on the decent care of our fellow human beings? Animal cruelty screams Sheriff Joe. What the hell is this? Because no one captured Marcia Powell on Utube do we care less because she was not a kitten? We need leadership, honesty, and alot less poltics. Isn't anyone else upset with our current elected officials. If your upset about health care look at this prison care. PEOPLE ARE DYING forget death panels just put someone who is elderly in the prison system in Arizona it will accomplish the same outcome. This needs to be investigated.. everyone is so busy worrying about the next office they are going to run for NO ONE is taking care of our citizens.. even those in prison. WE NEED LEADERSHIP.. Marcia Powell needed it and the lack of it in our state prison killed her. Who is accountable and why have they not been charged?

Matthew 23:13
Matthew 23:13

To "Pastor" Anderson and his followers - something to think about.

Matthew 23:13"How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door to the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You don't go in yourselves, and you don't allow those who are trying to enter to go in.

Concerned Citizen
Concerned Citizen

to patricia -- the temperature was 107 degrees the day Marcia Powell was left to die out in the desert, in an open metal cage on a CEMENT SLAB (not asphalt). Some said that temperature could easily reach 135 degrees. It was so hot, getting into our cars that day the steering wheel would burn your hands and you could barely sit on the leather car seat. In Arizona - they have "extreme heat" warnings so people won't leave their children and pets in the car for even a few minutes. If it was known Marcia had no family watching her then it raises the question about who gets left out in the heat and who does not. The prison is overcrowded. There was NO attempt made to give her water or check on her. So they think no one cared about Marcia Powell, that she would be another death at Perryville swept under the rug -- well Marcia has become the poster child for the neglected incarcerated women at Perryville. The prostitution sting officer who baited Marcia that put her in prison, also has blood on his hands. These sting operations are sick and depraved, as well.---------

To those in Arizona, "there but for the Grace of God go I..."

On 31 January 1555 Bradford was tried and condemned to death with all the others, and on either 30 June or 15 July he was brought to Newgate Prison to be burned at the stake. Though scheduled for four o'clock in the morning, the burning was delayed due to the large crowd that had gathered. He was chained to the stake at Smithfield with a young man, John Leaf. Before the fire was lit, he begged forgiveness of any he had wronged, and offered forgiveness to those who had wronged him. He subsequently turned to his fellow and said, "Be of good comfort brother; for we shall have a merry supper with the Lord this night!" A writer of his period recorded that he endured the flame "as a fresh gale of wind in a hot summer's day, confirming by his death the truth of that doctrine he had so diligently and powerfully preached during his life."[citation needed] Bradford was buried at the Marian Martyrs' Monument in Smithfield, London.[4]

Grace of God, The. The free and unmerited love and favour of God. 'There but for the grace of God go I' is a phrase used by the slf-righteous or smug when others are faced with disaster, disgrace or the like as a result of their actions. It implies that they could well have been in the same position but have been fortunate enough to escape.

The phrase is usually traced back to the Protestant martyr John Bradford (c. 1510-55), who on seeing a group of criminals being led to their execution, remarked, 'But for the grace of God there goes John Bradford.' From _Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase & Fable, 16th Ed_ (1999) by Adrian Room

Seeking answers
Seeking answers

from above, "If the Maricopa County Attorney's Office actually prosecutes someone as a result of the ADC review"

How does this work? Wasn't County Attorney A. Thomas former chief legal counsel for the Arizona Department of Corrections? The MCAO has a conflict of interest and this should be investigated by the AG.

How does a former lawyer (Chief legal counsel) for the ADC now handle a case going against the ADC?

Looking for an answer.

Dennis Gilman
Dennis Gilman

I'm convinced that it is only a matter of time before these loons that show up at town hall meetings, children's protests for human rights and day labor centers will eventually start shooting. They make the most bizarre comparisons: Rev Wright who wished no one dead to Rev Anderson who wants Obama to die by any means nescasary. Even if Rev Wrght was a bit off (which is why Obama publicly denounced him) there is no comparison. Sane people need to realize we have a serious problem on our hands. All it will take is for one of these Alex Jones/Ron Pual-ites to forget to take their meds for a few days and someone is going to get shot. It could be me-who knows? Furthermore, if Rev Anderson had any integrity or character he would be teaching love like Jesus taught instead of digging up old testament drudgery.

Rev Anderson,Did you speak at the Phoenix July 4 Party before or after JT Ready? Did you applaud in approval like the rest of the crowd? Did you tell him how much you enjoyed his talk?

jdog
jdog

Stephen Lemons... thank you for raw analysis of Pastor Steven Anderson and the minions that stick around in his congregation lapping up the message of a true whack job.

With that said... What does this say about Barack Obama hanging around in the congregation of the whack job Rev. Wright for 20 YEARS??

Maybe one day you will produce a truly impressive opinion piece that shows a little more insight and courage than simply cornering a few nobodies that bit off more than they can chew. I hope you will start asking the more important questions that are more relevant and effectual to a broader audience. The only ones who care about Anderson and Broughton are a handful of Obamanites with some sort of gun phobia.

patricia strand
patricia strand

Let me start by saying I was there at that facility and if the temperature was 107 in Phoenix than expect it to be atleast 10-15 degrees hotter out in the middle of the desert in the middle of an asphalt-paved, chain-linked, fence/box. Let me also say that the people that work at that facility as a whole are not bad people but, the ones that work up front are dangerous!!!! They tend to ignore you and could careless if you have water or not. Perhaps there should be a little more attention paid to the rights of prisoners, wait a minute...aren't we all human beings? Perhaps the same people that make all those uncomfortable places for humans to live should try them out themselves in extreme conditions. Sorry isn't good enough!!!!!!

richcity
richcity

Andrew T-homo-as prosecute something or anyone? Does he know what that is? Can he spell the word. The vain bastard has to ask Phil McDonald first and then get Sally to do the rest.

 
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