It might be, he suggests, 15 to 30 years.
I think about how close Phoenix seems — and yet how far away it just might be. I think about the Chateaux, waiting for someone, anyone, to move in. I think about how old I'll be in 30 years.
The view of the aborted Chateaux project is much different from the side street than the Central Avenue front.
With construction on hold, the city hopes to beautify the no-man’s-land between Roosevelt Row and the new Bioscience High School.
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By the time downtown fully comes together, I could be a grandma.
Creativity_Doc 10/27/2009 2:04:00 AM
Thanks SF, for the insight
Chris 10/21/2009 12:28:00 AM
Justin typed:
"As a service to us proud, loyal locals and natives, Chateaux on Central is not located Downtown. It is unequivocally Midtown. Yes, it's still central Phoenix."
Uh, it's in Phx, ain't it ?
Symbolic of the whole out-of-control development mess. That building is the tackiest thing ever -- totally out of place. Only a chimp who won the lottery would buy that thing...
They're sucking up all green space. Better stop 'em...
Stoller and Associates 10/19/2009 11:46:00 PM
The Associates respond,
"Sarah, you're living in Hell aka Phoenix, Arizona. Move back to the Northern Midwest. Phoenix is bankrupt with no hope of recovery."
HMG on the blog.
Jacqueline 10/18/2009 3:01:00 AM
Funny how so short into the current presidency you mention that Obama is unable to move the country past the current turmoil. Obviously you know nothing about the state the economy is in, how long it took to get there and just how long its going to take to get out no matter who is there.
Marc 10/16/2009 4:35:00 AM
I'm not sure it's as bad as all that. Chateau was a stupid idea to begin with - even in downtown Chicago, few people are going to buy a $4 million condo, let alone Phoenix. But if you go a little further south, you have the condo project that the wonderful sushi restaurant Moira anchors. You have Roosevelt Row. You have CityScape - a major project appearing in the midst of a major recession, with several anchors committed to the project, and light rail trundling nearby. Phoenix has a long way to go, but I don't think the occasional vacant lot or the presence or absence of Chateau on Central, fundamentally, changes the overall positive direction.
Justin 10/15/2009 7:56:00 PM
As a service to us proud, loyal locals and natives, Chateaux on Central is not located Downtown. It is unequivocally Midtown. Yes, it's still central Phoenix. Yes, maybe to some, such semantics may seem relative. However, the issue of central Phoenix geography inaccuracies lately has been incessant. It is one thing when fair-weathered suburbanites, or other non-locals, get such otherwise simple facts mixed up, but when people who are expected to know their hometown's geographic distinctions - especially the press, and most especially the New Times - get things incorrect it's a head-shaking moment.
I understand that the luxury Midtown condo development in question is a good anecdote for the piece, but at some point things need to be called out. Is it lazy journalism when facts aren't checked? When a particular example maybe isn't the best to use? You know, when it's not Downtown.
How can urban Phoenix expect to nurture its growing patchwork of emerging neighborhoods and districts if not everyone is on the same page? Designations are vitally important. They help create and brand particular areas' identities and vibe. Vibrant urban cores need that. Irresponsibly calling everything in central Phoenix "Downtown," or "CenPho" (puke, sorry) does a great disservice in the long run. Midtown and Downtown is not the same. Uptown and Midtown is not the same. Roosevelt is in Downtown, Willo is in Midtown. When do we finish this lesson?
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