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Dumoudan 10/08/2011 3:49:00 PM
Is this law Racist? Does it specify brown people?
Are the people who agree with this law racist?
Are those who want this law enforced racist?
The law says nothing of little "brown" people but it explains what is illegal entry. It's not very hard to understand. Why is this law "broken"? Why can it be selectively ignored?
Illegal alien includes all people who entered illegally, could be Croation, Russian, Chinese, Irish, Canadians and yes even Mexicans. No one single race or people is referenced in the law.
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
These people cost Pheonix and surrounding cities hundreds of millions to support the education, health and welfare of these illegal immigrants. A landscape worker paid by cash (no taxes) and his wife (a stay at home mom), have been here for 16 years and had 7 children born in the US. Who do you think paid for her medical bills???
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Dumoudan 09/17/2011 3:26:00 PM
All Illegal aliens should be allowed to apply for work permits but only while they are outside the United States in their home countries. This type of program (guest workers) has worked very well for many years in economically successful places such as Switzerland, Singapore to name a few. Once their work visa expires they must immediately leave the country. If the females become prgnant, they are immediately returned to their home country. commit any violation of ANY law (even "J" walking) and they are deported. If they attempt to re-enter the US illegaly, they are automatically placed on a list of permanently banned from entry into the US. Are you with us?
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Kitsugab 08/10/2011 7:08:00 AM
This to inform you of a person living and working in the United States illegally.
The names that this person assumes are as follows:
Gabriela Sanchez (her niece), Karla P. Durazo (her aunt), Patty Durazo (her sister),
Julieta Sanchez (her aunt), Patty Sanchez (her sister/her niece) Rocio Sanchez (her
sister), Mayra Viramontes (her cousin), Karen Durazo (her cousin),Kenya Durazo (her
cousin), Karina Sanchez (her cousin).
All of the names assumed by her can be substantiated through her facebook account
which is under the name Gabby Sanchez.
Her Employer is: Dr. Larry Stark
3201 W. Peoria Ave # A-100
Phoenix, AZ 85029
Her assumed Social Security # is her Aunt's Soc. Sec. # 611-32-7757 (Karla P.
Durazo) who actually lives in California.
She drives a pathfinder with AZ lic. # AHT4587
Her address is: 2220 W. Mission Ln. #1095 (which is in Larry Starks name /
Phoenix, AZ 85017 co-signed for)
SRP Acct # 919-863-000 (which is in Larry Starks name)
Her Phone # 602-628-3116 (which is in Larry Starks name)
Family Assistance Administration Case # 00564738 (Gabriela Sanchez)
Dental work provided under the name Patty Sanchez. And full medical (BCBS)
is paid for by Larry Stark
Her sons name is Carlos Flores-Sanchez and he graduated from Cortez High School.
She was raised by her Grandmother who was a whore in Mexico.
This young woman makes it easier for other illegals to obtain medications including
narcotics and evade citizenship tests through the Doctors office that she works in.
Also supplying them with false identification and documentation.
I am very concerned about the illegal activities (Document Fraud, Identity Theft,
Conducting crimes in America) that she is involved in. Please address the above
issues as soon as possible.
Concerned Citizen
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Yo-adrian 08/09/2011 11:08:00 AM
Social ethnic cleansing will intensify. Immigrants,poor,disabled & sick,social security recipients are next!! The republican agenda has AZ written all over it because we lead by example in civil rights violations. As the markets crash even deeper..Republican tea party political terror networks will attempt to remove those who they feel are a burden on the U.S with the misconception that it will help us recover!! Its no longer a race card or the color of your skin..its how deep your pockets are $$!!
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 11:00:00 PM
EVERY author and liberal elite spoiled lefty anti American SHOULD HAVE to live in NOGALES for at least a year AND COME back and APPRECIATE your OWN ADVANTAGES and realize that it ISN'T whiners and takers that made this Country and that those like SAL REZA have hurt the HISPANICS and the nice decent people, NOT ME, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!
spreading POVERTY does NOT FIX POVERTY!! We can support people only SO LONG!
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 10:57:00 PM
This is far from the views those of us that have found out about that we have people in droves taking from Americans and families in our OWN COUNTRY without regard for them.
Take some solace those of us who are tired of trying ot REASON with those so desperate they will and would do absolutely ANYTHING to shore more compassion to a flea than their own citizens here IN the USA.....Is there ONE ounce of intellect left in this World that bases decisions on NUMBERS and MAJORITY and Doesn't use VOTER FRAUD to exploit millions of us to OPPORTUNISTS! EVEN the decent people ARE exploited, TOUGH CRAP because I have had ENOUGH GIVING AND NEVER GETTING RESPECTED. YES my OWN come BEFORE yours, and it HAS COME TO THAT as it HAD TO BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TAKEN FOR FOOLS BY GREEDY LIARS and fanatic liberals that make us to feel indebted with THESE PATHETIC and all too familiar SOB STORIES.....please GO AND do yourself a favor and QUIT TAKING FROM OTHERS....it's a tough thing when you feel you did your best AND then someone takes advantage of your kindness....hmmm JOIN THE CLUB OK??!!
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:56:00 PM
they despise Mormans....BUT Hispanics are Catholic (JESUS) and that is a good thing. I was taught and learned to respect others, BUT you don't exploit other either.
The NEWTIMES seems to be very ok with taking away and damaging MY rights but jumps up and says we need to PROTECT this group of other people. THEY ARE entitled to respect, BUT not to sit and tell other RELIGIOUS groups what THEY can feel or believe. IT IS a two way street, BUT THE NEWTIMES seems to IGNORE MY STREET and why? Is Anarchy ok or what DO U WANT FROM PEOPLE ALREADY.....speak of HYPOCRITES lately and who is more hypocrite, doesnt matter BECAUSE it's ARGUMENTATIVE DISTRACTIONism (sick of isms anyone)?
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:50:00 PM
quit speaking about my COUNTRY because I STAND BEHIND HER AND GUIDE HER and I am DONE with this and I AM ready to FIGHT for the CONSTITUTION and future generations
If whites are sick of being made to feel INDEBTED then Stand Up For FREEDOM for your OWN best interests, IT IS HUMAN NATURE.....to protect yourself and those u love. It's all too easy to wonder how things go wrong later but for now please research ALL the info and do not ever ignore the vigilence required and HOW we got to be this GREAT COUNTRY of people.
WE HAVE DIVERSITY and DON'T NEED TO RUSH into ANYMORE of it, BECAUSE you can ALREADY FOLLOW OUR LAWS! NO REFORM NO AMNESTY....for ALL of our best interests.
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:45:00 PM
respect America and Mexico and allow us to work together and stop ANARCHY and NEVER lose the Constitution because its been the best thing we have.
There won't be EASY answers, BUT don't RUSH with FEAR.....think about the REASON they say RACIAL PROFILING.....they are clever little scammers and MUCH more hypocritical.
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:43:00 PM
ask friends and people u trust for opinions and read and look around and use instict. I don't hate anyone, but don't want illegal immigration or any amnesty to reward bad behaviors.
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:42:00 PM
This IS a MESS, BUT stick with our current AMERICAN values and DON'T wait until the USA is gone and freedoms are gone to figure it out. WHAT does it hurt to read and listen to all sides.
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:41:00 PM
They use gays and the environment to lull us into feeling they're nice,
They ARE white greed and GEORGE SOROS and any others at the top WILL destroy ALL!
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:40:00 PM
WAKE UP AMERICANS HISPANICS and listen to the way they want to take away your rights too, THEY WILL and DO WANT to FOOL US ALL, then it WILL be TOO LATE!!!!
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:39:00 PM
RACIAL PROFILING, IS NOT the ISSUE, IT IS MEANT to make you FEAR and FEAR is what TERROISM and ANARCHY thrive on.
WHY else would there be a RUSH to invoke millions into being used to VOTE for FRAUD??
WHAT SCUM DOES THIS????
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:37:00 PM
The WORDS are MEANT and picked CAREFULLY by the REPORTERS here.....
IT's MEANT to SCARE the VOTING HISPANICS into revolting out of FEAR......
The TERROISTS ARE THE NEWTIMES, trust me it IS NOT the HISPANICS but the IGNORANCE and lies they hope to spread for VOTES and its utter ANARCHISTS!!
Please for ALL AMERICANS (and anyone in the World), understand what you are really seeing and feeling and follow your GUT on THIS? DOES THIS SEEM RIGHT to invoke civil liberties to theives that are PAID to fake IDENTITY to FOOL us into DICTATORSHIP!!!! WE can ONLY LOSE BY SUPPORTING THIS HATRED, POVERTY is NOT FIXED like THIS.....your being USED!!!! I used to say whatever, BUT I have NEVER seen SUCH ANARCHY. scary huh?
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:31:00 PM
Do you THINK the NEWTIMES is PROTECTING ALL LIBERTY by using argumentative concepts to further their obvious bias??
It's not ok to commit treason and cause people to cause JARED LOUGHNERS and racism WILL only increase BECAUSE of the damage done to society and THE NEW TIMES will not come and protect us ONCE we allow an erosion via ammended CONSTITUTION......can U imagine a bigger THREAT that PROPAGANDA like THIS???? Say what you want, but I promise you if you TRY and DISAGREE or QUESTION these people, THEY RUN!!!!
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:28:00 PM
THIS IS ANARCHIST AND DANGEROUS to listen to this very scary paper.....unfortunatley it IS protected a bit w/the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION
be ready for a revolution either bloody or not.....NO you WILL not CONTINUE hurting another generation to use for whatever funny game your playing.
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Sammendoza70 04/16/2011 1:04:00 AM
NO Columbus came to the continent of America ILLEGALLY!!!! he came over with sweat on his forehead by slaughtering,torturing,genocide,and KILLING millions of NATIVE AMERICANS that includes MEXICANS,Africans and Indians!! we are INDIGENOUS we can rome all over the Americas!!now white people in majority say to follow laws or rules that Mexicans break but obviously forgot what the white people did conquered and broke human rights,killed,slavery,tortured,genocide.Europeans stole land and killed people!!the pilgrams are the real ILLEGALS deport all europeans and the real anchor babies!!!We are INDIGENOUS people not ILLEGALS this is our continent!!so all whites go back to your homeland which is europe
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the realist 02/06/2011 3:19:00 PM
Soon, USA will be a small country scattered around the continent mostly taken up by prisions while the rest of the continent is free of its idioticy which you are such a clear example of.
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colorblindwhitey 01/12/2011 2:43:00 AM
How many unemployed, undocumented Americans live happily in Mexico? Or anywhere for that matter? It's not about Mexicans. It's about American solidarity. We have a right to it, as do other countries. get over your self-rightious ideology and help them fix Mexico, instead of screwing up the U.S.
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Victor 12/27/2010 7:38:00 AM
I think with over 40 Million Hispancis we could apply some pressure using our financial and political positions of power to not relent in fighting for the Dream Act and a comprehensive
immigration reform. I hate to say but the Republicans will only hear us when we makes our voices known, and those Democrats who refuse to support our cause should be identified and be reminded that we have supported their party, and justify their actions, voting against our cause; it is deplorable.
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12/23/2010 11:35:00 PM
Not my problem. They can try their luck in Mexico, Canada or who'll ever have them.
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Maria Vargas810 12/06/2010 11:20:00 PM
WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS WHO CAME HERE AGAINST THEIR WILL? WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS WHO STUDY HARD IN SCHOOL WHO WANT TO DRIVE LIKE THEYRE FRIENDS BUT CANT? WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS WHO ARE 16 AND SEE THEIR FUTURE AS A " MAYBE". PEOPLE ARE SO IGNORANT.
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C.lue 12/02/2010 2:33:00 PM
Ignorance,that's is what is wrong in the world today.
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C.lue 12/02/2010 2:31:00 PM
Blaming the parents for wanting a better live for their children?.. You have NO idea what those parents go through, so that their kids can live an american dream.
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Chlejrdud2 11/28/2010 6:12:00 PM
Blame the parents? No. Blame the ineffective, inept immigration law. I bet most of you don't even know how U.S. Immigration law works unfavorably to immigrants.
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Larryboning 09/14/2010 2:15:00 AM
Years of treating the border like a joke are catching up to all of us. Breaking immigration law has generational consequences, just like breaking any law. Thieves, drug-trafficers and criminals of all stripes, put their children in a vulnerable position.
The sheer numbers of illegals are finally forcing the hand of a reluctant U.S. public. If the person described in this story was one of a tiny minority, she would have a much better chance at finding a sympathetic response to her plight. As it is, border state residents are painfully aware that Theresa's story is only one of many thousands. One of tens of thousands.
That is the point. Numbers. They provoke alarm more than heartache. If the laws were vigorously enforced, and respected by immigrants, there would be a lot less tragedy for all of us.
Until then, writers of pieces like the one above need to wake up. Arizonans tolerate newcomers as well as anyone else. They are as much hispanic as they are anglo, so calling them racist is well-nigh ridiculous. They simply understand that there is so much third-world poverty they can absorb without being simply overcome by it.
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08/10/2010 2:00:00 PM
hey dumbass, if you would have read the article correctly, its says "husband", last time i checked it means they're married.
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Jungletractor 07/28/2010 5:08:00 PM
P.S. I'll share a little secret with you. It's "their" not "there". Also, it's "are" not "R".
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Jungletractor 07/28/2010 5:06:00 PM
Hmm...perhaps we should trade YOU for some smarter Mexican students since you obviously haven't mastered the English language and grammar. I'd rather have smart go-getter immigrants than a lazy dim xenophobe any day.
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K_cay 07/21/2010 1:33:00 PM
The amount of money that they pay is minimal compared to the amount of health care cost that they are availing, the accidents that they cause, fraudulent activities that they do, the drugs that they bring....
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K_cay 07/21/2010 1:29:00 PM
This lady had her chance of becoming a US citizen, she is sleeping with this guy maybe she should be married. This is a lesson for all illegal immigrants; either get your papers in order or get out of Arizona!!!
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Barleycat 07/14/2010 12:14:00 AM
I feel for these kids but their situation is the fault of their parents, not the U.S. government. If I were to take my kids illegally into another country, I'm only setting them up for an impossible situation further down the road.
This story is sad, but their parents are to blame.
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Barleycat 07/14/2010 12:01:00 AM
Mari,
If they don't have a social security card, how are taxes being taken out of their check? In order for money to be deducted from a pay check you have to give a SSN. So, if they have no SSN they are not paying into the system, and therefore as illegals, should not have access to any government funding.
Instead of having nightmares, why doesn't the woman in the article apply for a green card and citizenship.
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Gigispiritwalker 07/04/2010 11:58:00 PM
Yes , so plain & simple! Why doesn't THERE GOVERNMENT recognize HOW talented their citizens R! & accomodate them with the education they come to the United States to seek free! WE have talented students HERE who would also love to seek higher education. But HAVE TO PAY & cannot afford it! Why should OUR HARD EARNED TAX dollars be spent on illegals breaking our laws! Tired of hearing, "we're not here to take USA citizens jobs but to do jobs they don't want. FALSE!!! They R here to get free educations along with MEDICAL CARE, HOUSING STIPENDS, FOOD STAMPS, PROTECTION, WHATEVER! WE have USA citizens here to care for! OUR TAX DOLLARS should be for that PURPOSE! ILLEGALS R PUTTING A GREAT FINANCIAL BURDEN ON OUR CHILDREN WHO HAVE TO PAY UR DEBT U CREATE FOR USA! Perhaps if illegals weren't here for ANY jobs, COMPANIES & CORPORATIONS would have to pay wages We can support our Families on!!!!
WHY didn't there parents STAY in there homeland & FIGHT to make their GOVERNMENT cough up these rights they so envy in the USA! OUR loved ones since COLUMBUS have
given there SWEAT, BLOOD, & VERY LIFE"S we R afforded today! Because ILLEGALS turn their eye toward us, we should be HAPPY about giving what belongs to OUR CITIZENS to Illegals who came breaking & disrespecting our immigration laws! UR government is responsible for U! Make urself HEARD!!! YES, DEMONSTRATE, DIE if many have to!!! MANY, MANY, MANY OF OUR PEOPLES HAVE!!!
What would UR great leaders that sacrificed for U HAVE TO SAY ABOUT UR TURN AT THE HELM!!! RAN AWAY, TURNED THEIR BACKS ON OUR LABORS & EFFORTS???? WE DIED FOR THIS??? FIGHT THE FIGHT OF UR LIFE'S FOR UR RIGHTS!!!! WE STILL ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mari 05/25/2010 9:20:00 PM
Dennis and JJ-
a lot of these illegal immigrants are working.....guess where all the money thats taken out of their check goes? to you. they can never get the money they earned back because they don't have a social security number, they can't file for taxes. think of how many undocumented people there are, how many of them work everyday. money is taken out of their checks, and they will never see it again. and if their kids are getting help from the government, they deserve it. their parents earned it. and the ones that don't have children or receive any help from the government, their money goes to government, and some of that goes to you.
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luciyahelan 04/30/2010 4:05:00 AM
I appreciate the concern which is been rose. The things need to be
sorted out because it is about the individual but it can be with
everyone.
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luciyahelan 04/30/2010 4:01:00 AM
I appreciate the concern which is been rose. The things need to be
sorted out because it is about the individual but it can be with
everyone.
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matt 02/09/2010 4:12:00 AM
You dont have to be illegal to have nitemares living in AZ (Maricopa county).
the only reason they put illegals on the bus back is becasue the prisons used to get reimbursed by the feds (creating jobs) but when that stopped off they went no hand cuffs, why were they held in prison in the first place? why not jail then back or work permits? they did it for money only .
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JJ 02/08/2010 11:56:00 PM
Oh and Teresa. I have nightmares too. I have nightmares of my U.S. Citizen children not being able to have adequate health care or the education they deserve because all the illegals are draining our system. Illegals are my worst nightmare and it's not only at night but during the day, every day.
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JJ 02/08/2010 11:54:00 PM
Illegal is illegal. If I break into your home because I need food, a roof over my head and a place for my family will you call the cops on me? I would hope so. Why do Mexican's think they can come here and get everything for free while the U.S. citizens and their children suffer? Illegal is illegal. Do it the right way or don't do it at all.
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Bill Jones 01/26/2010 1:01:00 PM
Wow, thats way cool dude.
RT
www.online-privacy.int.tc
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Jorge Gutierrez 01/25/2010 9:28:00 PM
It is heartbreaking to know how a brilliant and polished mind can go to waste. Our academic and technological status in the world would only be helped by these kids.
I can not understand the level of fear some people must have in order to choose to expel these engines of progress. Each of these kids will most likely lead an organization, begin their own business which will by their self drive create job opportunities for many others.
If you can not see how this benefits you are purposely blind. It is either FEAR of a passionate, dedicated mind that will show how mediocre we are or HATE caused by that fear or even worse, by the sense that we as Americans are better humans than those who are not.
Truth is that even if the immigration issue was resolved where these kids would not be facing these challenges and were allowed to work, those who suffer from FEAR and HATE would still be complaining and trying to change the laws so it would be the way things are right now or worse. These cowards hide behind the �enforce all laws�, argument that hold no water, the same type of mentality that was behind the jim crow laws. It is obvious that the laws need to be adjusted.
It is very near sighted of legislators to propose and enact laws that punish children for the sins of their parents and that force these brilliant minds to waste their potential or to take it elsewhere.
Please support the DREAM Act.
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carmen 01/25/2010 12:30:00 AM
How sad a country that plays their ethnic grievances on children and could be the best citizens the system has to offer.
The DREAM Act, the solution to many of these problems, has been long overdue.
We need to get our act together, and for the sake of patriotic duty, claim good people for our communities.
If we allow to politicize the presence of the young immigrants the country will be doom to lose international leadership just to comply with the ignorance of citizens who cannot compete in the most basic academic aptitude tests with the young lives that are ignorantly turning away.
DREAM Act Now!
Let Oscar come back and be a productive citizen!!!!
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Teo Buneo 01/19/2010 10:44:00 PM
Daniel Kirk, it would be extremely hard for anyone to insult your intelligence since you posses none. These kids in the article run rings around you in their sleep. Please refrain from demonstrating your stupidity any further. You and you nativist brethren certainly demonstrate to all why the US is going down the tubes. Were you able to pass the AIMS test Danny boy?
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Allan Cameron 01/19/2010 10:27:00 AM
Raymond,
Oscar wants to live near the border so his wife and daughter can drive from Phoenix to visit him at least once a month. They see this as a temporary situation until he receives an answer for his visa wavier appeal. The state department advises the answer can take 15 months (!?!?!?) and the answer will very likly be negative. The decision has nothing to do with his worth or the country's need for engineers, but the "extream hardship" on his wife and child.
He and his young family are considering moving to Europe, Canada or Australasia as a long term solution.
His mechanical engineering specialization is rocketry. When he first went to Mexico, he wnt to his famil's home town, a small village in the mountains. Little to do, he taught the local kids how to make soda bottle rockets and pototo canons:) The town, however, was too far away for his wife to visit over a weekend.
So, instead of living here and supporting his wife and daughter and contributing to the Arizona economy, he is "on hold" in Mexico. Because he lived in the U.S. without papers, he cannot apply for a visa for 10 years. He will be recruited and can live and work in almost any country in the work, except one.
Instead of being banished, he should be on a Wheaties box as a role model for young people. We used to celebrate these kinds of Horatio Alger characters.
am curious about Oscar not using his degree from ASU which has a reputation for producing fine engineers and his 'notoriety' to obtain an engineering position with some firm in Mexico? Surely, Mexico has a great need for Engineers and he would be better able to better support his family in the States with such a position. And would this also not make him a more attractive candidate for re-admittance back to the States then picking beans or working as a manager at a factory?
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Raymond Gross 01/19/2010 4:08:00 AM
I am curious about Oscar not using his degree from ASU which has a reputation for producing fine engineers and his 'notoriety' to obtain an engineering position with some firm in Mexico? Surely, Mexico has a great need for Engineers and he would be better able to better support his family in the States with such a position. And would this also not make him a more attractive candidate for re-admittance back to the States then picking beans or working as a manager at a factory?
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darlene 01/18/2010 5:43:00 PM
Always u news are "real", thank u for telling the true
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Nancy Bryant-Welch 01/17/2010 8:25:00 PM
I feel ill. Greed and fear are ruling our lawmakers' decisions. May we soon elect new legislators who have common sense and support for their country's needs and aspirations!!
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Chrislongski 01/16/2010 12:39:00 AM
May-he-co needs it best and brightest ! Maybe they can impart a few democratic ideals to the plutocracy there.
You know, if the Mexican government can just REDUCE DEMAND for guns among the narco terroristas, all that violence down yonder would end...
Kinda' like what THEY tell us about drug smuggling to El Norte', eh ?
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Luis Avila 01/15/2010 5:01:00 AM
Positioned as 44th on the dropout rate in the nation, Arizona would only benefit from students wanting to continue their education.
The DREAM Act would allow thousands of brilliant students to continue their higher education, only after they already went through the American education system, making sense of course, we already financed these students' academic careers from k-12 why leaving them there? When they can become assets to our state's economy?
This is not an issue of immigration as much as an issue of education and a national commitment to keep the brightest minds in the USA
I congratulate the advocates of this great cause, and invite everyone to pressure their federal elected officials to show some courage and pass the DREAM Act now!
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Dane 01/15/2010 12:00:00 AM
If you wanna talk about the evils of colonization, then first talk about how our own country was established through colonization of claimed foreign land and genocide of its native people. How is that for word play?
Truth is, no matter what words you use, the reality doesn't change. Your problem is that your vision is shaded through the xenophobic sunglasses you think make you look cool.
I feel sorry for you, that has bought into that supposed reality in which "American" can only apply to people YOU deem worthy. I feel sorry by how threatened you feel when presented with a chance to act merciful and human. Just because you are advocating the law does not make you a good person when the laws are unjust or outdated.
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Daniel Kirk 01/14/2010 11:41:00 PM
I wonder if the writer really believes anyone is fooled by the misleading application of the words "immigration" and "immigrant", or the euphemism, "undocumented." These people are "immigrants" like home invaders are "guests", and I wonder how easily the writer would agree to call a car thief an "undocumented motorist."
Rather than attempting to pull the wool over the eyes of your readership with word play, you might do us all the courtesy of showing both intellectual and ethical honesty and simply advocating the theft of American resources and the elimination of American sovereignty within its own borders. Pushing for Mexican colonization of America is dirty enough; you might at least do us the courtesy of not insulting our intelligence in the process.
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Allie Matias 01/14/2010 11:27:00 PM
Arizona's economy was the best before proposition 300 and all anti-immigrant laws. We were helping the economy so much. Why are all those homes abandoned now? Why the home construction collapsed? Small businesses around my area don't exist anymore. Accept that you are not doing well with anti-immigrant laws you are only destroying your own economy when you pass another anti-immigrant law. Your immigration system is broken and your economy is not good. Immigrants help your economy grow. Students cannot be criminals for wanting an education. Not difficult to understand but AZ truly needs more people to go back to college or go to college for once.
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Jeff S. 01/14/2010 11:09:00 PM
"Here is the problem: Once you have stayed in the country illegally a year beyond your 18th birthday, regardless of how you initially arrived, you are no longer eligible to apply to enter as a "typical" immigrant."
From page 3. Not about the dream act.
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Alllie Matias 01/14/2010 11:08:00 PM
True story of DREAMERS after proposition 300. This is by far the best article I've read about the Dream Act. The stories of AZ DREAMERS are very frustrating. How much more do our five star students have to suffer to achieve their goals? What a waste. DREAM Act Now!!!
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Martha 01/14/2010 11:07:00 PM
Thanks to the author for bringing to light a hard-pressing subject that is avoid by many. Nonetheless, it is something that is happening in our community and all over the country! The Dream Act needs to get support today and passed this year into law!
Keep the hard work and the Dream alive, to all the Dreamers out there!
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Rick 01/14/2010 10:08:00 PM
Hey!...... How bout John And Dennis meet up somewhere and they can fuck eachother right in eachothers asses! Like the little faggets they are.
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miss_msry 01/14/2010 9:27:00 PM
Shouln't Oscar be able to get a good job in Mexico with his engineering degree from ASU?
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Dane 01/14/2010 9:03:00 PM
To Kris Kringle Jr.:
Do your homework. Did you not read this article? THERE IS NO file to file before (A) being deported, or (B) their 19th birthday. It is not that they DIDN'T act, but more that they COULDN'T act. The DREAM act would allow what you propose, so thanks for your support.
To your second argument: A single person with a bachelor�s degree who earns an average of $60,000 of taxable income will contribute $9, 640 to taxes and welfare annually; in a 40-year lifespan he/she will have contributed $385, 000. The DREAM Act would be an economic stimulus for many communities and if DREAMers are not allowed to contribute then taxpayers will lose the investment already made on these children. In simpler words, that money would be payed back through more taxes for the government.
And lastly, why are we punishing children for their parents' mistakes? Do you think its fair that the child is incarcerated (or killed) along with her parent if the parent committed murder? In the end, it is debatable who is more needy in the question you presented. However, what is more important is to realize that people coming to our country doesn't mean their will take away jobs or spots in college. We should welcome them as needed reinforcements that can invigorate this country like every generation has done before in our GREAT AMERICAN STORY.
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kris.kringle.jr 01/14/2010 7:31:00 PM
having read the entire article, one fact is extremely clear. none of the so-called "immigrants" filed for residency before either (a) being deported, or (b) their 19th birthday. The fact that they did NOT act on their own behalf should NOT grant them a special status.
If reform, whom is going to re-pay the education costs and healthcare costs for these individuals. I do not read any approach or proposal for reimbursement, Only complaints that they are prohibited from benefits reserved for United States Citizens. All of these individuals had the option to pursue their own citizenship after they reached their own age of reason... most likely high school age at the latest. Why igonore this fact?
In sort, their parents violated the law bringing them here. They benefited with healthcare and education, and now they feel that they are the disadvantaged. I look at all the United States Citizens currently going hungry due to the downsizing of the Economy. I look at all the United States Children whom cannot go to college due to financial cutbacks. And I look at 5000-8000 people PER DAY crossing the border illegally. Whom is more needy?
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Malia Politzer 01/14/2010 4:55:00 PM
Whoops--that comment was for Naoma. Not Norma. Sorry about that.
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Malia Politzer 01/14/2010 4:53:00 PM
Hey Norma - in order for Teresa to get citizenship, she'd have to go through the same process Oscar did. She'd have to leave the country first, taking the 10-year penalty on her visa application, and apply for a waiver (to waive the 10-year penalty). The only way she'll get the waiver is if she can prove "extreme hardship" on her American spouse and daughter. It's a crap shoot.
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Teresa 01/14/2010 4:43:00 PM
Actually am not trying to pull at your "heart strings" am trying to get awareness out! This is whats Happening where you live This is my story and i chose to share it with you, I dont want your pity, I just want you to understand that there are thousands of people all around you in a situation like my own. Saying "go back to where you came from" or "the people have chosen you illegal" is not going to change the broken immigration system. A system that affects you and I alike whether you want to accept it or not. As narrow minded as you seem to be, I just wanna Thank You because without negativity or opposition(like your own) this would not be a battle worth fighting for, and your comments only make me a stronger person and prepare me for what might come. But I have too much too lose and so little intrest in letting negative comments affect me. so plz make better use of you time and energy and dont sound ignorant there are many ways of getting your point accross without being hurtful and nasty.
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Juan 01/14/2010 3:51:00 PM
Just for a minute put your self in the shoes of these people. Just for a minute picture yourself getting stopped and hauled of to a country you don't know and with a language you don't speak. Just for a minute please put yourself in there shoes, or if your wife, husband, mother ..... called and told you they are in a country that you have never known? just for a minute!
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Celso 01/14/2010 3:07:00 PM
John, we DO NOT get to pick and choose which laws to follow. But that does not mean the laws are RIGHT, MORAL, or handed down from a higher power. There is such thing as unjust law.
That is what is so great about this country. Wherever there is an injustice, laws can be changed. Whenever there IS NO law to address a situation, laws can be amended. Currently, the law FAILS this country by throwing away what could be a key force that could help this country climb out of economic turmoil.
Ever wonder why AZ is getting into a deeper economic hole at the same time that many latino families are leaving AZ? The theories that latinos were a burden on the economy just aren't holding up in AZ. In fact, the opposite is happening.
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naoma foreman 01/14/2010 2:50:00 PM
How difficult would it be for her to get citizenship?
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Dennis 01/14/2010 2:08:00 PM
Aah, so, what, we're supposed to feel sorry for these ILLEGALS, because there parents brought them here ILLEGALLY. Bulldoogy, go back to where you came from. I'm sick of our tax dollars going to help these ILLEGAL aliens. And if your going to come to my country learn to speak freaking english. Don't expect me to learn spanish so I can communicate with you, you are coming to my country where we speak english.
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John 01/14/2010 12:46:00 PM
Illegal is illegal, and Teresa is illegal, period. No matter how you try to pull at peoples heart strings to make a case here, she is illegal.
Sorry, PNT, you don't get to pick and choose what laws you want to follow in American society, so quit printing this crap
and report news instead of "trying to create it" with your own opinion of what is right and wrong. The people have already decided, and Teresa is illegal, so get over it.
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Craig 01/14/2010 4:45:00 AM
to feel pity is one thing . If 25 million Americans were invading illeagaly to Mexico and demanding everything be free The shoe would be on the others foot, Ever noticed the Southern Mexican boarder, dont the Central Americans have a right to enter into Mexico Illegaly? Of course not . Check out how Mexico deals w/ them.. death by gunfire from Mexican soldiers . You know MILITARY border guards . Where they do shoot to kill . No American media says a word . I love the Mexican people , I dont like double standards.
This is supposed to be a Democratic Republic. Not Mexico North. Craig Westbrook
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Julie 01/14/2010 1:15:00 AM
We are digging our own grave by not realistically considering allowing these bright minds to become a part of the United States infrastructure. What really upsets me is the refusal of strictly anti-immigrant exponents to see the reality of the situation: we've invested in these high-achieving underdogs and refuse to reap the benefits of their years of hard work. This is an outdated methodology and will lead to the US's demise as the world power in a short amount of time.
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Emil Pulsifer 01/14/2010 12:34:00 AM
P.S. Another point which should be remembered: citizens had been using their stock market wealth and their housing wealth to support consumerism (by means of capital gains and home-loan lines of credit) in the face of dwindling real earnings, as income gains (adjusted for inflation) became more and more highly concentrated in the top one-percent of the population.
Now that the stock-market has tanked and housing's recovery is likely to be even slower, many of these households, with record levels of debt to pay off and no way to continue doing so through the old models, have cut back on consumer spending (which accounts for 2/3 of the economy and powerfully influences growth) in order to pay down debt which is sapping their static earnings via interest payments.
The only class of individuals likely to move to Arizona who lack this debt burder is: immigrants from Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America. Credit lines are still possible for the gainfully employed who lack loads of outstanding debt. I suggest that individuals who braved death in the burning desert, kidnapping, beatings and extortion from coyotes, and legal trouble from the authorities, in order to work, are what might be termed as "motivated". Of course, if Arizona isn't ready to shed its prejudices, or prefers to pander to extremists with ready political followings, it deserves what it gets...
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Emil Pulsifer 01/14/2010 12:15:00 AM
Ironically, Arizona's best hope of returning to its old growth model of economic development -- and thus far nothing substantive has been proposed as an alternative -- is for immigration reform at both the federal and (especially) at the state level.
Why? Arizona has long depended on population increase to grow its economy: as new residents move here, new housing is needed for them; this in turn gives retailers new opportunities in the communities where new housing and new workers earning new wages now live. The effect on the construction and retail sectors is direct, but the effect on the rest of the economy is just as real, as a chain reaction takes place when those new wages, received by merchants, are invested in capital equipment, spent on other goods and services, and made available to the local financial community.
As for immigrants taking jobs, it didn't seem to be the case, back before the Great Recession when the state unemployment rate was 4.5 percent. Don't forget: the number of jobs isn't fixed, provided that the economy is growing. It isn't a zero-sum game where winners win only at the expense of losers.
Arizona previously relied for its population growth on three broad classes: (a) retirees from the midwest and back east; (b) undocumented immigrants; (c) citizen workers seeking a new start in sunny Arizona.
Now that the Great Recession has caused a housing glut and placed many mortgages underwater, many of the citizens who might have moved here from other states cannot afford to sell their house and move. Many of the retirees have seen their wealth, whether in the form of housing values or stock values, decimated. The weakness of the jobs market means that many of them will cling to jobs in their home states; many of the older ones will defer retirement and work part-time to supplement their Social Security income.
That leaves the immigrants.
How very short sighted of Republican moderates to allow their party to be taken over by extremists. How very short sighted of Democrats to allow themselves to be intimidated into silence instead of embracing Hispanics as an up and coming electoral force.
Time will tell who was right...
