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Twice a week, Teresa has a nightmare.

It is almost always the same. She and her husband, Michael, are driving home in their gray Chevy pickup, sleepy and content after a long day with family. It is a cool, clear night. Their chatty 2-year-old daughter, Adrianna, is buckled snugly into her car seat. Teresa's husband speeds up as they approach the highway on-ramp, narrowly cutting off another car. There is the wailing of a siren, the flashing of red and blue lights. Her heart begins to thump as her husband pulls over onto the gravelly shoulder.

A police officer ambles up to the car window. He is the tallest man she has ever seen — pale, with dark hair, and opaque aviator glasses. She cannot see his eyes, just her own frightened expression, and her husband's boyish face reflected back at her. Her husband rolls down the window, and the officer asks him for his driver's license in a flat, uninflected voice. Then he asks for her identification.

The road leading into Oscar Vasquez's new home in Mexico.
Malia Politzer
The road leading into Oscar Vasquez's new home in Mexico.
Oscar Vasquez's house in Magdalena, Mexico.
Allan Cameron
Oscar Vasquez's house in Magdalena, Mexico.
Oscar Vasquez
Allan Cameron
Oscar Vasquez
Erica holds her degree from ASU, a bachelor's in psychology.
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Erica holds her degree from ASU, a bachelor's in psychology.
Central High School graduate Teresa with her daughter, Adrianna.
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Central High School graduate Teresa with her daughter, Adrianna.
Vasquez's wife, Karla, with their daughter Samy.
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Vasquez's wife, Karla, with their daughter Samy.
Vasquez's ASU backpack.
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Vasquez's ASU backpack.

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This is the first article this year of New Times' occasional series "Are Your Papers in Order?" in which we examine the treatment of undocumented aliens, brown-skinned U.S. citizens, and legal residents at the hands of local and U.S. law enforcement.

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She does not have it, of course, though she frantically searches through her daughter's diaper bag. She tries to explain her situation: "I've lived here my entire life. I don't even remember Mexico!" But he acts as if he cannot hear her. The police officer puts her in the backseat of the patrol car, gets into the driver's side, and starts the engine. She can hear her daughter crying for her as the police cruiser begins to pull away. The last thing she sees is her husband, looking angry and helpless. A terrifying thought snakes through her mind and sticks: What if I never see them again?

Teresa wakes up, sobbing. She reflexively reaches out — there's her small daughter curled up beside her. Her husband is stretched out on the other side of the king-size bed, breathing deeply. She's safe in the roomy four-bedroom South Phoenix home they share with her husband's parents and brother. She stares at the ceiling, willing herself to go back to sleep.

Teresa and her husband do not talk much about her nightmares. They are much too possible. Teresa is an illegal immigrant, brought to the United States by her mother when she was a baby. Teresa did not even know she was here illegally until she was 13 years old — she found out when an application to volunteer at a hospital required a Social Security number. Until then, she thought of herself as a normal American kid — an honor roll student who preferred American football to soccer and dreamed of becoming a nurse.

South Phoenix is the only home the young mother has ever known. Her American husband doesn't speak Spanish. If she were deported to Mexico — where she has no friends or family — she does not know what she would do. So she refuses to take risks. She does not drive, cannot legally work. Mostly, she stays home with her daughter. She would still love to become a nurse, but for now it is just a dream. Even if she found a way to pay for school, no one would want to hire her.

"It's like you're not from Mexico, but you're not from here, either," Teresa says while sitting at her family's kitchen table.

"If I go back to Mexico, what am I going back to?" Her glance lingers on her daughter, who is intent on fishing a brightly wrapped piece of hard candy out of a bowl sitting on the marbled kitchen counter, and she smiles tightly. "I have no family there. It's like you're country-less. You're not from over there. You're not from here. You're stuck somewhere in the middle, and you don't belong anywhere."

There are thousands of people in Arizona with stories like Teresa's.


Arizona is the toughest state in the country for kids who are illegal immigrants.

The past four years have been particularly brutal for undocumented immigrants in Arizona — voters passed Proposition 300 in 2006, prohibiting undocumented students from receiving in-state tuition. A year later, the Legal Arizona Worker's Act cracked down on employers who hire illegal immigrants. Undocumented workers cannot get driver's licenses. In Phoenix, many — like Teresa — do not like to leave their homes, afraid they will be targeted in an immigration sweep by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. Just a few months ago, the Arizona Legislature passed House Bill 2008, requiring government agencies to turn over the names of illegal immigrants who apply for state benefits to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement for deportation. Now, many undocumented parents are too scared to apply for the benefits to which their American-citizen children are entitled.

There is a story Teresa read in a newspaper a few months ago that she thinks about often: A distraught man walks into a 7-Eleven with his two sons, a 4-year-old and a toddler. He holds the baby in one arm and a gun in his other hand. With no explanation, he shoots the clerk dead.

It may not seem as though the scenario has much to do with Teresa's situation. But to Teresa, it is the perfect metaphor.

"Those poor kids were probably traumatized," she says. "When they grow up, will we prosecute them for murder? Will we put them away for life because their father decided to shoot a man?"

Teresa's mother brought her illegally into the country when she was just a baby. Still, Teresa is legally culpable for entering illegally — even though she has lived here her entire life and had no say in how she entered.

Teresa cannot get a driver's license. She cannot legally work. She is hard-pressed to afford out-of-state tuition required of undocumented students, so higher education is not an option. Now that she is an adult, she has discovered (after consulting 10 immigration lawyers) that it is unlikely she will ever be able to legitimize her status — even though she is married to an American citizen and has an American-citizen daughter.

It is a legal catch-22 that is nearly impossible to avoid.

According to the PEW Hispanic Center, about 15 percent of all undocumented immigrants in the United States are children — close to 1.8 million people. Some of them, like Teresa, do not remember any country other than the United States. No one knows for sure how many of these kids are in Arizona (and a 1982 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Plyer vs. Doe, prohibits schools from asking), but it is safe to say there are thousands. Allan Cameron, a former computer-science teacher at Carl Hayden High School, estimated in 2007 testimony before Congress that as many as 80 percent of the kids he taught were illegal immigrants. The non-partisan PEW Hispanic Center estimates that about 65,000 undocumented students graduate from American high schools each year. Some even graduate from college.

Then they hit a wall and become unable to legally work or participate in society.

Legislation called the DREAM Act was introduced again this year in Congress that would provide a conditional pathway to citizenship for some undocumented immigrant kids. Unless it passes, most will never have the opportunity to legally live or work in the country they have known most of their lives. For them, time is running out.

For others, it is already too late.

Virginia Gutierrez was a straight-A student who graduated with honors from North High School with a 4.2 grade-point average, securing multiple private scholarships to ASU. Her dream was to be a doctor. Instead, she was stopped for a broken taillight and deported to Mexico in 2007, before she was able to start college. Last her friends heard, she was living with her grandmother in Chihuahua, looking for work. Her crime? Entering the United States illegally when she was 9 years old.

After coming to this country with his parents as a teenager, Joe Arvizu made it through three years at North High before he was deported. He had been an award-winning ROTC cadet. Though not a citizen, he was patriotic — his dream was to enter the military to serve this country. Turns out this country did not want him. A trip to the emergency room revealed that he had leukemia. Because he was undocumented and had no health insurance, St. Joseph's Hospital deported him to Mexico. Within months, he was dead. Had he been treated in an American hospital, his chance of recovery would have been 80 percent.

The famous "Wilson Four" were high-achieving undocumented students from Wilson Charter High School in downtown Phoenix. In 2002, while competing at a prestigious, international solar-powered boat competition in New York, they were detained after attempting to see Niagara Falls from the Canadian side. They narrowly avoided deportation when a federal judge tossed out the case, ruling that they were racially profiled. All four had entered the country illegally when they were toddlers.

Manuel Espinoza Vasquez was a junior at ASU when he was pulled over for making an illegal right turn. A star student, he wanted to go to law school. Instead, he found himself navigating deportation proceedings. His case is currently in appeals court. If he is refused a waiver, he will be deported to a country he has not lived in since he was 3 years old.

"The more you try to do the right thing, the more doors close," says Teresa. "If you don't want to break any laws — if you want to do everything by the book — you can't do anything. You feel so helpless."


Karla, 22, is nervous as she drives her black Nissan through Magdalena, Mexico.

The residential roads are an unpaved mess of potholes and rust-colored dust, and she is having trouble remembering the location of her husband's house. She adjusts the rearview mirror, glancing at the brightly colored cinderblock homes haphazardly built halfway up the nearby hills.

Her 15-month-old daughter, Samy, seated in a pink velveteen car seat behind her, begins to fuss. The almost five-hour drive from Phoenix to Magdalena is a long trek for a toddler.

Karla tries to soothe her. "We're almost there, Samy. We're going to see Papi!"

Her voice is heavy from lack of sleep. It is the day before Thanksgiving and Karla has been awake since 3:30 a.m., preparing for the trip. In the trunk, she has packed a small, blue cooler with thick slices of turkey, a can of corn, and frozen mashed potatoes. Bundles of warm blankets, clothes, and a box containing her husband's engineering textbooks from college sit on the floor of the backseat. The trip is one she has both anticipated and dreaded — she misses her husband but hates driving through Mexico.

She sighs, obviously relieved, when she sees Oscar, standing in front of a small brick duplex surrounded by scrubby desert shrubs, pebbles, and red dust. Tall and lean, her husband is dressed casually in a loose-fitting black sweatshirt, blue jeans, and dusty, brown leather boots. A broad smile lights his face when he recognizes the car, smoothing out worry lines that make him seem older than his 23 years.

This will be the first time he has seen his daughter in nearly two months. He picks her up, planting a kiss on her soft crown of fluffy, black hair, and she begins to cry. Oscar calls for his wife. Karla comes quickly and scoops up the toddler.

"She'll warm up," she assures no one in particular, avoiding her husband's eyes.

It is a difficult time for the young couple. For four years, Karla and Oscar Vasquez lived happily together in South Phoenix. Now, they are a family divided by the border between two countries.

Karla is a U.S. citizen who fell in love with an undocumented man. But Oscar is not your typical illegal immigrant — he grew up in the United States, entering the country with his parents at 12. He and Karla grew up together. Now, they are attempting to do exactly what critics of illegal immigration advocate: Oscar returned to Mexico to go through the process of applying to get back into the United States legally. As it turns out for people who grew up undocumented in the United States, though, legalizing their status is nearly impossible.

You may remember Oscar. If you do not, you will recall the Carl Hayden High School robotics team that thrashed the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's team in an underwater robotics competition in 2004. It was the classic American underdog story — four poor high school kids (all illegal immigrants) beat the most prestigious technical university in the nation with nothing but grit, brainpower, and determination.

Wired published a cover story about them, and the story of the team's triumph over MIT spread rapidly. They were in the Arizona Republic. Reader's Digest translated their tale into Spanish and Italian. George Stephan­opoulos interviewed the kids on Nightline. Warner Brothers recently bought the movie rights to their story. Former Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano personally invited the four to her office to congratulate them. And, at 17, the undocumented Vasquez shook the hand of the future Secretary of Homeland Security.

If this were a Hollywood film, the story would have ended there. And for three of the four members of robotics team, it pretty much did.

Oscar was the only one to make it all the way through college, thanks to a scholarship funded by people around the world who had read about the team and wanted to help. He married Karla, his childhood sweetheart. They had a baby and bought a nice four-bedroom home in South Phoenix. Last May, Oscar graduated from ASU with honors and a degree in mechanical engineering. He was one of three students graduating from ASU that year to be specifically honored by President Barack Obama for his academic achievements. The students, Obama said, were "fine examples of what this country stands for."

On that day, dressed in a burgundy-and-gold graduation robe, he was close enough to the stage to see beads of sweat run down the president's face as he gave their commencement speech.

"I was in awe," recalls Oscar. "My dad only finished third grade. My mom had her middle-school certificate. My brothers and sisters went to middle school, and that's it. Most of my cousins haven't even gone to high school. Somehow I'd made it through."

It did not take long for his excitement to fade.

Though two companies promptly offered him engineering jobs, he was forced to turn them down. Without a Social Security number, he was unable to legally work. Because he had been living in the United States illegally, they were unable to sponsor him to stay. His degree collected dust on a shelf in their new home. He had two options: Lie low and hope that immigration laws change or return to Mexico and begin the uncertain process of applying for U.S. citizenship. He and Karla opted for the latter.

"I was tired of living in the shadows," he says, shrugging. "It's not in my character."

Oscar and Karla soon found out what dire circumstances they were in.

"Is there any way for undocumented kids to legalize their status?" Phoenix immigration attorney Delia Salvatierra asks rhetorically. "The very straightforward answer is: no."

Here is the problem: Once you have stayed in the country illegally a year beyond your 18th birthday, regardless of how you initially arrived, you are no longer eligible to apply to enter as a "typical" immigrant. Nor is there any way to apply for citizenship from within the country — joining the military is an option only for legal residents, and companies are prohibited from sponsoring illegal immigrants so that they can get the visas needed to work here legally. Once an immigrant has been living illegally as an adult in the United States, essentially the only way to legitimize his or her status is to return to their country of origin and apply from there.

But there is another catch. As soon as the immigrant leaves the United States, he or she is automatically penalized 10 years for having lived here illegally — which means application for legal entry will not be considered until a decade has passed. Even if the immigrant is married to an American citizen, the 10-year penalty stands.

For people like Oscar, only one option remains. If an illegal immigrant is an adult, and married to an American citizen, he or she can return to the country of origin, take the 10-year penalty on the visa application, and apply for a waiver on the basis that the separation creates "extreme hardship" for the applicant's American spouse. If the waiver is not granted, the immigrant is barred from entering the United States for 10 years.

The Vasquezes' only hope was to demonstrate to the U.S. Consulate that the separation was more than Karla could endure. Oscar's accomplishments — his engineering degree, his ROTC experience, his awards, and international acclaim — would not be taken into consideration. But "extreme hardship" is a vague term with a definition that varies, depending on which consular officer is reviewing the application. Their lawyer gave them a 50-50 chance. They took the gamble.

They lost. Everyone was stunned.

Oscar's former robotics instructor, Allan Cameron, was outraged.

"Right now, we need engineers. We're importing them from other countries. And here we've educated one — through our school system, in one of our colleges — and we're deporting him to Mexico? How does this make any sense? It's such a waste."

They received no explanation beyond a hastily checked box labeled "Failure to demonstrate 'extreme hardship.'" The Vasquezes have 30 days to submit additional forms to make their case, which will be reviewed after an additional 15 months.

Karla has had to drop out of school. She had intended to transfer to ASU from community college to complete a bachelor's degree in education. Instead, she is working 10-hour shifts at a car-rental agency at Sky Harbor Airport to support two households (here and in Mexico). To help out, her mother has quit her job of 21 years so she can take care of the baby while Karla works.

For Karla, the effect on her daughter, Samy, is the hardest part.

Samy is too young to understand what is happening — some days she wanders around the house, clutching a picture of her father in her small hands. Other days she will walk into his study, calling for him. When she finds he is not there, she will sit on the ash-colored carpet by her father's desk and cry.

"I do not know how much longer I can stand seeing our child confused and distraught by this drastic change in our lives," Karla wrote in her letter to the consulate.

Engineering degree under his belt, Oscar's first job in Mexico was picking beans for $60 a week. He has tried his hand at milking cows. For a while, he helped a butcher. More recently, he moved to Magdalena (Karla has an uncle there), where he landed a job as a manager at a maquiladora (a foreign-owned factory). He earns $100 a week.

These days, he sees his wife and daughter about once a month.

On the night Karla and Samy arrive, they eat a Thanksgiving dinner consisting of thick turkey slices warmed over a camping stove that Oscar plugged into a wall outlet in his small, tiled home. Oscar's apartment is mostly bare — adorned with a small, round table and a single chair, a dorm fridge, and the blue cooler — he sits on the cooler, while Karla takes the chair, holding Samy in her lap. By noon on Thanksgiving Day, Oscar helps Karla buckle Samy back into her car seat, and the two begin the long drive back to Phoenix, because Karla has to be at work Friday morning.

Still, even knowing what he does now, Oscar says he would do it the same way.

"In the United States, I couldn't do anything. That wasn't good for our family, either," he says. "Now, at least, I know where I stand."


Oscar's situation is what immigrating "the right way" can look like for people who grow up illegally in the United States.

For those who choose to stay on this side of the border, there is really only one option: wait for the piece of legislation called the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act to pass. The DREAM Act has been foundering in Congress, in various forms, for more than eight years.

It would provide a conditional pathway to citizenship for some of the people who came to this country illegally as children. There are a lot of caveats. As written, it is tailored to help only the most highly motivated undocumented people in this situation — the Oscars, Teresas, and Victorias. It would not apply to gang members, petty criminals, or high-school dropouts.

To qualify, they would need to have entered the country before age 16, lived here continually for five years (because he returned to Mexico, Oscar would not qualify), already have graduated high school or obtained a GED, be of "good moral character" (no criminal record), and be under age 35 at the time the bill was signed into law.

If they met all these conditions at the time the act passes, they could adjust their status to conditional residency. They then would have six years to either obtain a two-year college degree or complete two years of military service.

Only after successfully completing college or military service could they gain citizenship status. And even then, it would be a one-time deal for people already here; it would not extend to the next generation of undocumented people brought here as kids.

If the DREAM Act had passed when it was introduced in 2001, Oscar Vasquez would not have had to return to Mexico — he could have put his engineering degree to use in the United States. Virginia Gutierrez would probably be in medical school now, and Teresa in nursing school. Joe Arvizu might still be alive and serving in the military.

Like with everything concerning immigration, people are polarized when it comes to the DREAM Act — particularly in Arizona.

In 2007, Representative David Lujan introduced a state version of the bill in the Legislature, calling it the Arizona DREAM Act. It would have allowed undocumented juveniles brought here by their parents to pay in-state tuition. It never made it out of committee.

State Senator Russell Pearce regularly refers to the national DREAM legislation as the "Reward Lawbreakers Act," condemning it as amnesty that rewards parents who entered the United States illegally because it benefits their children. His objections are consistent with those of others who oppose the bill — organizations like the Federation for American Immigration Reform and the conservative think-tank Heritage Foundation. FAIR and Heritage are worried that undocumented kids will take college spots and funding that should go to U.S. citizens. Pearce has expressed concern that allowing undocumented students to pay in-state tuition would further deplete already diminished state coffers, at a time when Arizona is grappling with the biggest budget crisis in modern history.

The opposition is not doing its homework.

"When I hear some describe this as amnesty, I wonder — if someone is willing to risk his or her life to serve in our military in a combat zone — how that is a giveaway? Is that citizenship for nothing? I don't think so," said U.S. Senator Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), when he introduced an earlier version of the DREAM Act in 2007. "It has really been fundamental that we don't hold children responsible for the errors and crimes of their parents. Why, then, would we hold these children responsible?"

At first blush, many concerns voiced by the opposition sound sensible. In Arizona, out-of-state tuition is roughly three times what in-state students pay. So it seems logical that state schools would lose money if undocumented students paid in-state tuition. As it turns out, though, upping the college costs means that fewer undocumented students can afford to go. Fewer students mean less tuition overall.

When Proposition 300 went into effect in 2007 — tripling state tuition for the undocumented — ASU and the University of Arizona were forced to deny in-state tuition to more than 1,500 students, according to that year's state legislative committee report. Today, the number of undocumented students enrolled in Arizona universities has dwindled to 300.

As for the concern that undocumented students displace qualified citizens, a 2009 study by the National Immigration Law Center shows that the effect is "minimal." The center's analysis of the 10 states that presently allow undocumented students to pay in-state tuition — among them Texas and California, home to the largest illegal populations in the country — demonstrates that less than 2 percent of last year's high school graduating class were undocumented, and only a fraction of them would attend college even if they were able to pay the in-state rate.

For the most part, that translates to "only a few dozen or a few hundred particularly talented students" enrolling in college in each state, according to the study.

Last March, a group of senators and representatives introduced the DREAM Act to Congress again, as a stand-alone bill. With Comprehensive Immigration Reform (a massive re-examination and overhaul of the country's broken immigration system) near the top of the national legislative agenda, the DREAM Act has a chance of passing.

"We all recognize the value of higher education and service to our country. To serve these federal policy interests by giving legal stability and opportunity to young people caught in the limbo of our laws through no fault of their own is the right thing to do," said Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) when introducing the bill. "The promise this bill holds for so many young people will reinforce the spirit that underlies the history of American immigration and the diversity that has moved us so far."


Arizona's economy may be the big loser when it comes to deporting immigrants brought to the state illegally as children.

In 1987, a 19-year-old undocumented immigrant named Alfredo Quinones-Hinojosa from a small town in Mexico clawed his way over a border fence in Calexico, California, and took a job picking weeds and tomatoes in the fields of San Joaquin Valley. It was his second attempt at illegal entry — the first time, he was caught by U.S. Border Patrol officers and deported.

When his cousin remarked that he would never achieve anything beyond working as a day laborer, Quinones quit his job and moved to Stockton, where he worked in a rail yard during the day and took classes in English at the local community college at night. At the encouragement of his teachers, he applied and was accepted to the University of California, Berkeley. English was still tough for him, so he focused on math and science courses, paying for college through a combination of scholarships, loans, and grants. Next stop was Harvard Medical School. He did well there, too. He completed his residency in neurosurgery at the University of California, San Francisco.

Now, Quinones is an award-winning brain surgeon and director of the brain-tumor-research program at Johns Hopkins University. His next goal? Find a cure for brain cancer.

These days, somebody like Quinones would be stopped cold. Particularly in Arizona.

Times were different when Quinones made it across the border. He entered at the tail end of amnesty programs in the late 1980s, after working for several years illegally as a seasonal migrant worker. Because of the amnesty program, he was able to get temporary work authorization, then permanent work papers, followed — eventually — by a green card that granted him legal residency while still a farm worker. Because he had legal immigration status, he was able to get loans and scholarships. He became a U.S. citizen while at Harvard.

The undocumented who grow up in Arizona cannot do any of these things. But that does not stop some from trying to succeed.

Erica is the first person in her family to attend college. A petite woman with a thick mop of curly black hair tied into a neat ponytail, she has lived in Mesa most of her life — her parents brought her over the border illegally at 11. She graduated at the top of her class at Westwood High School in Mesa, earning a full four-year scholarship to ASU, where she studied psychology.

She spent two years in college before Proposition 300 passed, taking her scholarship funds with it. The next two years were an emotional rollercoaster of scrambling to apply for the few private scholarship programs that do not require Social Security numbers. Because of her inability to apply for loans or state scholarships, she nearly dropped out of college four times. Still, she managed to scrape through, getting a bachelor's degree from ASU in May.

The day she graduated was bittersweet. Sure, Erica had her degree, but she could not use it to get a job. It hangs in a heavy wooden frame on a wall above her couch, a useless piece of paper. She wants to eventually get a master's degree and work as a high school counselor — to help other kids like her — but she cannot afford more education. Instead of working in her field, she cares for infants at a nursery, which pays her off the books. She cannot help feeling angry when she sees her undocumented friends — college graduates in engineering, political science, and bioengineering — working alongside their parents as landscapers, house-cleaners, or in construction.

One undocumented ASU bioengineering graduate managed to secure a job as a researcher for the university and another private company. But he lost it when Arizona passed the 2008 employer-sanctions law, which prohibits companies from knowingly hiring undocumented workers. Now he works as a waiter.

"It's frustrating. In high school, they always tell you that if you work hard, if you're good person, you'll excel in life," Erica says. "But even when you're [a] good person and you're doing everything right, you hit all these barriers. You want to quit. I don't feel like my life is in my hands."

Yet Erica is one of the lucky ones. She managed to get a college education. With the economy in turmoil and the crackdown on illegal immigration, especially in Arizona, the few scholarships available to undocumented students are drying up. Most undocumented college students enrolled today attend on a semester-to-semester basis, raising funds as they go. Many are forced to drop out.

It is no wonder, then, that many Phoenix high school teachers report that undocumented students are losing hope.

Joni Adams is a counselor at North High School — the same school Victoria Gutierrez and Joe Arvizu attended, before they were deported. Four years of new policies aimed at cracking down on illegal immigration have taken a toll on her undocumented students. The same kids who, just a few years earlier, would be sure shots at college are giving up. It is not difficult to see why: what is the incentive to study, when a college degree gets you nowhere? They get depressed. Their grades dip. Some disappear.

"It makes me feel like the job we have is impossible. We're given a catch-22, where we're supposed to advocate and care and nurture these children all through school, through their career-building years, pointing them to some kind of goal," says Adams, her voice stinging with frustration. "And yet the marker is moved by the government, and the goal does not exist. So, for these kids, the American dream we've been encouraging them [to seek] their entire lives is fantasy."

This year, she is seeing something new: some of her most ambitious and talented undocumented students, after graduating, are leaving on their own for Mexico. Aspiring doctors and lawyers — ROTC cadets who want nothing more than to serve in the military — are electing to return to a country they barely know to pursue their aspirations there.

Like Mari. At 12, she nearly died crossing the desert with her mother to enter the United States. Now she is about to graduate high school. Her English is improving, and her grades are good. She wants to be a lawyer. If she could, she would do it here. But she is unwilling to put her life on hold to wait for a DREAM Act that might never pass. In May, after she graduates, she plans to return to Mexico to pursue an advanced degree there. It is a big decision for a 17-year-old. Her entire family is in Phoenix — her mother, father, and most of her cousins. Mari knows the danger of the desert. Once she crosses back into Nogales, she is not coming back.

"It's hard," she says. "But I have to make a choice — my family or my future."

Some college graduates are also electing to leave for other countries to put their degrees to use. Dulce — another Carl Hayden Robotics whiz kid — is one of those. She graduated last year from ASU with an electrical engineering degree and the aspiration of getting a job inventing life-changing medical equipment for people with disabilities. If the DREAM Act does not pass this year, she intends to move to Canada and do it there.

It is such stories that frustrate immigration lawyer Delia Salvatierra, who is often the one to break the news to undocumented students that there is little hope of legitimizing their immigration status.

"Most of these kids have aspirations of going to school here, of having a life here. It just seems so absurd to educate them in American schools and then say that they don't belong here," she says. "You're draining potential. These are people who could live productive lives in the United States. [Most] are extremely loyal and talented. It's absurd to say, 'Okay, you're not from here, so pack up your bags and go.'"

As for Dr. Quinones, he says he knows he probably should not have entered the country illegally. But he also strongly believes that it is the United States that is losing out by keeping people like him from putting their talents to use.

"This country was formed by immigrants. By 2050, one quarter will be of Hispanic descent — mostly Mexican-American — yet we are the group with the lowest education and income. If we are to sustain this country as the most wonderful and powerful, we can't do it if one quarter of the population is in this situation," he says. "Some kids are truly hungry to succeed. They come from humble backgrounds, but they're talented and capable and we need to identify them and open the doors to them so they can make a contribution. It isn't rocket science — it isn't neurosurgery. It's plain and simple."

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Is this law Racist? Does it specify brown people?Are the people who agree with this law racist?Are those who want this law enforced racist?The law says nothing of little "brown" people but it explains what is illegal entry. It's not very hard to understand. Why is this law "broken"? Why can it be selectively ignored?Illegal alien includes all people who entered illegally, could be Croation, Russian, Chinese, Irish, Canadians and yes even Mexicans. No one single race or people is referenced in the law. Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime.Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.These people cost Pheonix and surrounding cities hundreds of millions to support the education, health and welfare of these illegal immigrants. A landscape worker paid by cash (no taxes) and his wife (a stay at home mom), have been here for 16 years and had 7 children born in the US. Who do you think paid for her medical bills???

Dumoudan
Dumoudan

All Illegal aliens should be allowed to apply for work permits but only while they are outside the United States in their home countries. This type of program (guest workers) has worked very well for many years in economically successful places such as Switzerland, Singapore to name a few. Once their work visa expires they must immediately leave the country. If the females become prgnant, they are immediately returned to their home country. commit any violation of ANY law (even "J" walking) and they are deported. If they attempt to re-enter the US illegaly, they are automatically placed on a list of permanently banned from entry into the US. Are you with us?

Nikodisias Papalapsuslos
Nikodisias Papalapsuslos

Type your comment here.YES , WE CAN...YES , WE CAN...WE WILL WIN IN WAR ON TERROR (30 whities or what are terrorists will never come back alive...thank you lord....aaamen).

What do you mean tragedy! It was just a birthday present for planet apes president !!! That's all ! Feels great to flip hamburgers and hip hop atop of good news...makes you feel vibrant and energized !!!

ARIZONA = UTOYA = GOVERNMENT‘S "AFTERLIFE" CASH & $$ FLASH MOB (there was no shooting in Utoya or Arizona, but tear gas and theater instead on faces of multiculturalism maniacs..your guilt or blame and shame weapon against us and our families in our own countries atop of forceful unemployment during so called "ECONOMIC CRISES" during which third world foreigners are allowed to rape, kill, and still is nothing else but fast way to early retirements for government related criminals/ terrorists...$$$ extra bonuses, and newly issued state identities while calling you a terrorists) !!! http://stateofterror.blogspot.... or http://stateofterror.wordpress...

OBAMA = STALIN = BUSH or USA = SOVIET UNION http://avsecbostjan.blogspot.c... or http://avsecbostjan.wordpress.... Whitie is fighting war on terrorism just to come home and be pronounced as terrorist...turned in Timothy, jobless, homeless ...YESSS, WE CAN...YESSS, WE CAN...GABBY OPENED HER EYES (Obaminator’s psychotic speech in Tucson = failed “Apocalypse Now“)

WAKE-UP !!! WAKE UP PEOPLE BEFORE IT GETS ALL TO LATE ON PLANET APES !!! TEARS WON'T DO YOU ANY GOOD !!! AS BUSH STATED "THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE PAID FOR"(to die ) !!

EVEN IF IRAQ WOULD HAVE BEEN WAR FOR OIL ONLY, VETERANS WOULDN'T NEVER EVER HAVE TO BE HOMELESS PEOPLE THE WAY THEY ARE AND NOR WOULD OUR PEOPLE HAVE TO DIE ALLOVER THE PLACE THE WAY THEY DO TO VERY TODAY(never ending “war on terror” story). BECAUSE EVEN IF WAR WAS FOR THE SAKE OF MONEY, MONEY SHOULD BE USED FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS AND NOT WHAT THE CASE IS OR AGAINST WHITES(to destroy us allover the world) !!! You don't really proof for 911, just put your sht together in your heads...THIS IS PLENTY ENOUGH TO HAVE O(B)SAMA INDICTED FOR CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST WHITE AMERICAN HUMANITY TOGETHER WITH HIS ZIONIST MASTERS) !!!

Don't worry O(s)bama, you have just saved USA what is lots of Dollars in your DEBT DEALS as those best of America or Navy Seals would also grew older and then you already know how it goes...DEAD & ILL = DEBT DEAL !!!

HOW MUCH FURTHER ARE WE WILLING TO GO IN ORDER TO PLEASE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO DENY US EVEN THE RIGHT TO EXISTENCE(what is to you country without laws or lawless country in respect to your personal rights, but the one that in contrast to your denied basic human rights recognizes you extremely liable when payments are due) !!?

IS IT INDEPENDENCE THAT WE CELEBRATE OR DEPENDENCE (what are your credit card bills or alimony saying about it) !!? HOW IS YOUR DIABETES AND LOST MARRIAGES !!? FORECLOSURES AND JOB SEARCH !!? THAT IS THE QUESTION TO BE OR NOT TO BE !!! IS IT LAND OF THE FREE OR STATE OF TERROR AGAINST OWN POPULATION !!? IT IS TIME TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT COLOR ARE THE STRIPES ON OUR STAR SPANGLED BANNER !!! TIME TO DETERMINE WHOSE INDEPENDENCE/AMERICA, WE CELEBRATE TODAY(who wants to erase us and denies us the right to exist) !!! IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHOM WE ADDRESS WITH "PRESIDENT" (STOP HUMILIATING YOURSELF) !!!

VOTING POLL:

DO WE NEED MORE PROOFS TO INDICT OBAMA AND BUSH ADMINISTRATION FOR CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST WHITE HUMANITY !!?

1)NO, THEY ARE CLEARLY GUILTY AS OIL WAR NEVER EVER WAS REAL ISSUE IN GENOCIDE AGAINST WHITES. REAL ISSUE ARE FACTS OR WHAT WE WITNESS TODAY WHEN VETERANS ARE HOMELESS, JOBLESS, KILLED, ETC.

2)NO, AS 911 ALONE AS WELL AS ACTIONS IMPOSED AGAINST WHITES IN USA (as well worldwide) ARE CLEARLY INDICATING ACTS OF GENOCIDE AGAINST WHITE HUMANITY

3)YESS AS JUST YESTERDAY(for over 15 years to very yesterday), WE (news/media = vacuum world of lies) WERE TELLING YOU THAT UNEMPLOYMENT WAS AT 10% WHILE TODAY ONE IS AT 50% (HOW COME NO ONE QUESTION JOURNALISM LIKE THIS OR WHAT IS WORLD OF LIES AND DEMENTIA)!

4)I AGREE WITH FIRST TWO ANSWERS ABOVE. IT IS TIME TO PRESS CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST BOTH ADMINISTRATIONS DUE TO ACTS OF GENOCIDE AGAINST WHITE HUMANITY FOR THE SAKE(SAFETY) OF US AND OUR CHILDREN(DO NOT TURN THEM IN WHITE REFUGEES ON PLANET APES OR WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE WHEN VISITING ABOVE PAGES) !!!

Kitsugab
Kitsugab

This to inform you of a person living and working in the United States illegally.

The names that this person assumes are as follows:

Gabriela Sanchez (her niece), Karla P. Durazo (her aunt), Patty Durazo (her sister),Julieta Sanchez (her aunt), Patty Sanchez (her sister/her niece) Rocio Sanchez (her sister), Mayra Viramontes (her cousin), Karen Durazo (her cousin),Kenya Durazo (hercousin), Karina Sanchez (her cousin).

All of the names assumed by her can be substantiated through her facebook account which is under the name Gabby Sanchez.

Her Employer is: Dr. Larry Stark 3201 W. Peoria Ave # A-100 Phoenix, AZ 85029

Her assumed Social Security # is her Aunt's Soc. Sec. # 611-32-7757 (Karla P. Durazo) who actually lives in California.

She drives a pathfinder with AZ lic. # AHT4587

Her address is: 2220 W. Mission Ln. #1095(which is in Larry Starks name /Phoenix, AZ 85017 co-signed for)

SRP Acct # 919-863-000(which is in Larry Starks name)

Her Phone # 602-628-3116(which is in Larry Starks name)

Family Assistance Administration Case # 00564738 (Gabriela Sanchez)Dental work provided under the name Patty Sanchez. And full medical (BCBS)is paid for by Larry Stark

Her sons name is Carlos Flores-Sanchez and he graduated from Cortez High School.She was raised by her Grandmother who was a whore in Mexico.

This young woman makes it easier for other illegals to obtain medications includingnarcotics and evade citizenship tests through the Doctors office that she works in.Also supplying them with false identification and documentation.

I am very concerned about the illegal activities (Document Fraud, Identity Theft, Conducting crimes in America) that she is involved in. Please address the above issues as soon as possible.

Concerned Citizen

Yo-adrian
Yo-adrian

Social ethnic cleansing will intensify. Immigrants,poor,disabled & sick,social security recipients are next!! The republican agenda has AZ written all over it because we lead by example in civil rights violations. As the markets crash even deeper..Republican tea party political terror networks will attempt to remove those who they feel are a burden on the U.S with the misconception that it will help us recover!! Its no longer a race card or the color of your skin..its how deep your pockets are $$!!

Kitsugab
Kitsugab

This to inform you of a person living and working in the United States illegally.

The names that this person assumes are as follows:

Gabriela Sanchez (her niece), Karla P. Durazo (her aunt), Patty Durazo (her sister),Julieta Sanchez (her aunt), Patty Sanchez (her sister/her niece) Rocio Sanchez (her sister), Mayra Viramontes (her cousin), Karen Durazo (her cousin),Kenya Durazo (hercousin), Karina Sanchez (her cousin).

All of the names assumed by her can be substantiated through her facebook account which is under the name Gabby Sanchez.

Her Employer is: Dr. Larry Stark 3201 W. Peoria Ave # A-100 Phoenix, AZ 85029

Her assumed Social Security # is her Aunt's Soc. Sec. # 611-32-7757 (Karla P. Durazo) who actually lives in California.

She drives a pathfinder with AZ lic. # AHT4587

Her address is: 2220 W. Mission Ln. #1095(which is in Larry Starks name /Phoenix, AZ 85017 co-signed for)

SRP Acct # 919-863-000(which is in Larry Starks name)

Her Phone # 602-628-3116(which is in Larry Starks name)

Family Assistance Administration Case # 00564738 (Gabriela Sanchez)Dental work provided under the name Patty Sanchez. And full medical (BCBS)is paid for by Larry Stark

Her sons name is Carlos Flores-Sanchez and he graduated from Cortez High School

This young woman makes it easier for other illegals to obtain medications includingnarcotics and evade citizenship tests through the Doctors office that she works in.Also supplying them with false identification and documentation.

I am very concerned about the illegal activities (Document Fraud, Identity Theft, Conducting crimes in America) that she is involved in. Please address the above issues as soon as possible.

Concerned Citizen

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

EVERY author and liberal elite spoiled lefty anti American SHOULD HAVE to live in NOGALES for at least a year AND COME back and APPRECIATE your OWN ADVANTAGES and realize that it ISN'T whiners and takers that made this Country and that those like SAL REZA have hurt the HISPANICS and the nice decent people, NOT ME, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!spreading POVERTY does NOT FIX POVERTY!! We can support people only SO LONG!

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

This is far from the views those of us that have found out about that we have people in droves taking from Americans and families in our OWN COUNTRY without regard for them.

Take some solace those of us who are tired of trying ot REASON with those so desperate they will and would do absolutely ANYTHING to shore more compassion to a flea than their own citizens here IN the USA.....Is there ONE ounce of intellect left in this World that bases decisions on NUMBERS and MAJORITY and Doesn't use VOTER FRAUD to exploit millions of us to OPPORTUNISTS! EVEN the decent people ARE exploited, TOUGH CRAP because I have had ENOUGH GIVING AND NEVER GETTING RESPECTED. YES my OWN come BEFORE yours, and it HAS COME TO THAT as it HAD TO BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TAKEN FOR FOOLS BY GREEDY LIARS and fanatic liberals that make us to feel indebted with THESE PATHETIC and all too familiar SOB STORIES.....please GO AND do yourself a favor and QUIT TAKING FROM OTHERS....it's a tough thing when you feel you did your best AND then someone takes advantage of your kindness....hmmm JOIN THE CLUB OK??!!

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

they despise Mormans....BUT Hispanics are Catholic (JESUS) and that is a good thing. I was taught and learned to respect others, BUT you don't exploit other either.

The NEWTIMES seems to be very ok with taking away and damaging MY rights but jumps up and says we need to PROTECT this group of other people. THEY ARE entitled to respect, BUT not to sit and tell other RELIGIOUS groups what THEY can feel or believe. IT IS a two way street, BUT THE NEWTIMES seems to IGNORE MY STREET and why? Is Anarchy ok or what DO U WANT FROM PEOPLE ALREADY.....speak of HYPOCRITES lately and who is more hypocrite, doesnt matter BECAUSE it's ARGUMENTATIVE DISTRACTIONism (sick of isms anyone)?

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

quit speaking about my COUNTRY because I STAND BEHIND HER AND GUIDE HER and I am DONE with this and I AM ready to FIGHT for the CONSTITUTION and future generations

If whites are sick of being made to feel INDEBTED then Stand Up For FREEDOM for your OWN best interests, IT IS HUMAN NATURE.....to protect yourself and those u love. It's all too easy to wonder how things go wrong later but for now please research ALL the info and do not ever ignore the vigilence required and HOW we got to be this GREAT COUNTRY of people.

WE HAVE DIVERSITY and DON'T NEED TO RUSH into ANYMORE of it, BECAUSE you can ALREADY FOLLOW OUR LAWS! NO REFORM NO AMNESTY....for ALL of our best interests.

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

respect America and Mexico and allow us to work together and stop ANARCHY and NEVER lose the Constitution because its been the best thing we have.

There won't be EASY answers, BUT don't RUSH with FEAR.....think about the REASON they say RACIAL PROFILING.....they are clever little scammers and MUCH more hypocritical.

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

ask friends and people u trust for opinions and read and look around and use instict. I don't hate anyone, but don't want illegal immigration or any amnesty to reward bad behaviors.

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

This IS a MESS, BUT stick with our current AMERICAN values and DON'T wait until the USA is gone and freedoms are gone to figure it out. WHAT does it hurt to read and listen to all sides.

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

They use gays and the environment to lull us into feeling they're nice,

They ARE white greed and GEORGE SOROS and any others at the top WILL destroy ALL!

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

WAKE UP AMERICANS HISPANICS and listen to the way they want to take away your rights too, THEY WILL and DO WANT to FOOL US ALL, then it WILL be TOO LATE!!!!

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

RACIAL PROFILING, IS NOT the ISSUE, IT IS MEANT to make you FEAR and FEAR is what TERROISM and ANARCHY thrive on.

WHY else would there be a RUSH to invoke millions into being used to VOTE for FRAUD??WHAT SCUM DOES THIS????

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

The WORDS are MEANT and picked CAREFULLY by the REPORTERS here.....

IT's MEANT to SCARE the VOTING HISPANICS into revolting out of FEAR......

The TERROISTS ARE THE NEWTIMES, trust me it IS NOT the HISPANICS but the IGNORANCE and lies they hope to spread for VOTES and its utter ANARCHISTS!!

Please for ALL AMERICANS (and anyone in the World), understand what you are really seeing and feeling and follow your GUT on THIS? DOES THIS SEEM RIGHT to invoke civil liberties to theives that are PAID to fake IDENTITY to FOOL us into DICTATORSHIP!!!! WE can ONLY LOSE BY SUPPORTING THIS HATRED, POVERTY is NOT FIXED like THIS.....your being USED!!!! I used to say whatever, BUT I have NEVER seen SUCH ANARCHY. scary huh?

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

Do you THINK the NEWTIMES is PROTECTING ALL LIBERTY by using argumentative concepts to further their obvious bias??

It's not ok to commit treason and cause people to cause JARED LOUGHNERS and racism WILL only increase BECAUSE of the damage done to society and THE NEW TIMES will not come and protect us ONCE we allow an erosion via ammended CONSTITUTION......can U imagine a bigger THREAT that PROPAGANDA like THIS???? Say what you want, but I promise you if you TRY and DISAGREE or QUESTION these people, THEY RUN!!!!

hisnicptry
hisnicptry

THIS IS ANARCHIST AND DANGEROUS to listen to this very scary paper.....unfortunatley it IS protected a bit w/the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION

be ready for a revolution either bloody or not.....NO you WILL not CONTINUE hurting another generation to use for whatever funny game your playing.

colorblindwhitey
colorblindwhitey

How many unemployed, undocumented Americans live happily in Mexico? Or anywhere for that matter? It's not about Mexicans. It's about American solidarity. We have a right to it, as do other countries. get over your self-rightious ideology and help them fix Mexico, instead of screwing up the U.S.

Victor
Victor

I think with over 40 Million Hispancis we could apply some pressure using our financial and political positions of power to not relent in fighting for the Dream Act and a comprehensiveimmigration reform. I hate to say but the Republicans will only hear us when we makes our voices known, and those Democrats who refuse to support our cause should be identified and be reminded that we have supported their party, and justify their actions, voting against our cause; it is deplorable.

cleancut77
cleancut77

Not my problem. They can try their luck in Mexico, Canada or who'll ever have them.

Maria Vargas810
Maria Vargas810

WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS WHO CAME HERE AGAINST THEIR WILL? WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS WHO STUDY HARD IN SCHOOL WHO WANT TO DRIVE LIKE THEYRE FRIENDS BUT CANT? WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS WHO ARE 16 AND SEE THEIR FUTURE AS A " MAYBE". PEOPLE ARE SO IGNORANT.

Chlejrdud2
Chlejrdud2

Blame the parents? No. Blame the ineffective, inept immigration law. I bet most of you don't even know how U.S. Immigration law works unfavorably to immigrants.

Larryboning
Larryboning

Years of treating the border like a joke are catching up to all of us. Breaking immigration law has generational consequences, just like breaking any law. Thieves, drug-trafficers and criminals of all stripes, put their children in a vulnerable position. The sheer numbers of illegals are finally forcing the hand of a reluctant U.S. public. If the person described in this story was one of a tiny minority, she would have a much better chance at finding a sympathetic response to her plight. As it is, border state residents are painfully aware that Theresa's story is only one of many thousands. One of tens of thousands. That is the point. Numbers. They provoke alarm more than heartache. If the laws were vigorously enforced, and respected by immigrants, there would be a lot less tragedy for all of us. Until then, writers of pieces like the one above need to wake up. Arizonans tolerate newcomers as well as anyone else. They are as much hispanic as they are anglo, so calling them racist is well-nigh ridiculous. They simply understand that there is so much third-world poverty they can absorb without being simply overcome by it.

K_cay
K_cay

This lady had her chance of becoming a US citizen, she is sleeping with this guy maybe she should be married. This is a lesson for all illegal immigrants; either get your papers in order or get out of Arizona!!!

Barleycat
Barleycat

I feel for these kids but their situation is the fault of their parents, not the U.S. government. If I were to take my kids illegally into another country, I'm only setting them up for an impossible situation further down the road.

This story is sad, but their parents are to blame.

Gigispiritwalker
Gigispiritwalker

Yes , so plain & simple! Why doesn't THERE GOVERNMENT recognize HOW talented their citizens R! & accomodate them with the education they come to the United States to seek free! WE have talented students HERE who would also love to seek higher education. But HAVE TO PAY & cannot afford it! Why should OUR HARD EARNED TAX dollars be spent on illegals breaking our laws! Tired of hearing, "we're not here to take USA citizens jobs but to do jobs they don't want. FALSE!!! They R here to get free educations along with MEDICAL CARE, HOUSING STIPENDS, FOOD STAMPS, PROTECTION, WHATEVER! WE have USA citizens here to care for! OUR TAX DOLLARS should be for that PURPOSE! ILLEGALS R PUTTING A GREAT FINANCIAL BURDEN ON OUR CHILDREN WHO HAVE TO PAY UR DEBT U CREATE FOR USA! Perhaps if illegals weren't here for ANY jobs, COMPANIES & CORPORATIONS would have to pay wages We can support our Families on!!!! WHY didn't there parents STAY in there homeland & FIGHT to make their GOVERNMENT cough up these rights they so envy in the USA! OUR loved ones since COLUMBUS havegiven there SWEAT, BLOOD, & VERY LIFE"S we R afforded today! Because ILLEGALS turn their eye toward us, we should be HAPPY about giving what belongs to OUR CITIZENS to Illegals who came breaking & disrespecting our immigration laws! UR government is responsible for U! Make urself HEARD!!! YES, DEMONSTRATE, DIE if many have to!!! MANY, MANY, MANY OF OUR PEOPLES HAVE!!! What would UR great leaders that sacrificed for U HAVE TO SAY ABOUT UR TURN AT THE HELM!!! RAN AWAY, TURNED THEIR BACKS ON OUR LABORS & EFFORTS???? WE DIED FOR THIS??? FIGHT THE FIGHT OF UR LIFE'S FOR UR RIGHTS!!!! WE STILL ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mari
Mari

Dennis and JJ-

a lot of these illegal immigrants are working.....guess where all the money thats taken out of their check goes? to you. they can never get the money they earned back because they don't have a social security number, they can't file for taxes. think of how many undocumented people there are, how many of them work everyday. money is taken out of their checks, and they will never see it again. and if their kids are getting help from the government, they deserve it. their parents earned it. and the ones that don't have children or receive any help from the government, their money goes to government, and some of that goes to you.

luciyahelan
luciyahelan

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matt
matt

You dont have to be illegal to have nitemares living in AZ (Maricopa county). the only reason they put illegals on the bus back is becasue the prisons used to get reimbursed by the feds (creating jobs) but when that stopped off they went no hand cuffs, why were they held in prison in the first place? why not jail then back or work permits? they did it for money only .

JJ
JJ

Oh and Teresa. I have nightmares too. I have nightmares of my U.S. Citizen children not being able to have adequate health care or the education they deserve because all the illegals are draining our system. Illegals are my worst nightmare and it's not only at night but during the day, every day.

JJ
JJ

Illegal is illegal. If I break into your home because I need food, a roof over my head and a place for my family will you call the cops on me? I would hope so. Why do Mexican's think they can come here and get everything for free while the U.S. citizens and their children suffer? Illegal is illegal. Do it the right way or don't do it at all.

Jorge Gutierrez
Jorge Gutierrez

It is heartbreaking to know how a brilliant and polished mind can go to waste. Our academic and technological status in the world would only be helped by these kids.

I can not understand the level of fear some people must have in order to choose to expel these engines of progress. Each of these kids will most likely lead an organization, begin their own business which will by their self drive create job opportunities for many others.

If you can not see how this benefits you are purposely blind. It is either FEAR of a passionate, dedicated mind that will show how mediocre we are or HATE caused by that fear or even worse, by the sense that we as Americans are better humans than those who are not.

Truth is that even if the immigration issue was resolved where these kids would not be facing these challenges and were allowed to work, those who suffer from FEAR and HATE would still be complaining and trying to change the laws so it would be the way things are right now or worse. These cowards hide behind the �enforce all laws�, argument that hold no water, the same type of mentality that was behind the jim crow laws. It is obvious that the laws need to be adjusted.

It is very near sighted of legislators to propose and enact laws that punish children for the sins of their parents and that force these brilliant minds to waste their potential or to take it elsewhere.

Please support the DREAM Act.

carmen
carmen

How sad a country that plays their ethnic grievances on children and could be the best citizens the system has to offer.The DREAM Act, the solution to many of these problems, has been long overdue.We need to get our act together, and for the sake of patriotic duty, claim good people for our communities.If we allow to politicize the presence of the young immigrants the country will be doom to lose international leadership just to comply with the ignorance of citizens who cannot compete in the most basic academic aptitude tests with the young lives that are ignorantly turning away. DREAM Act Now!Let Oscar come back and be a productive citizen!!!!

Teo Buneo
Teo Buneo

Daniel Kirk, it would be extremely hard for anyone to insult your intelligence since you posses none. These kids in the article run rings around you in their sleep. Please refrain from demonstrating your stupidity any further. You and you nativist brethren certainly demonstrate to all why the US is going down the tubes. Were you able to pass the AIMS test Danny boy?

Allan Cameron
Allan Cameron

Raymond,

Oscar wants to live near the border so his wife and daughter can drive from Phoenix to visit him at least once a month. They see this as a temporary situation until he receives an answer for his visa wavier appeal. The state department advises the answer can take 15 months (!?!?!?) and the answer will very likly be negative. The decision has nothing to do with his worth or the country's need for engineers, but the "extream hardship" on his wife and child.

He and his young family are considering moving to Europe, Canada or Australasia as a long term solution.

His mechanical engineering specialization is rocketry. When he first went to Mexico, he wnt to his famil's home town, a small village in the mountains. Little to do, he taught the local kids how to make soda bottle rockets and pototo canons:) The town, however, was too far away for his wife to visit over a weekend.

So, instead of living here and supporting his wife and daughter and contributing to the Arizona economy, he is "on hold" in Mexico. Because he lived in the U.S. without papers, he cannot apply for a visa for 10 years. He will be recruited and can live and work in almost any country in the work, except one.

Instead of being banished, he should be on a Wheaties box as a role model for young people. We used to celebrate these kinds of Horatio Alger characters.

am curious about Oscar not using his degree from ASU which has a reputation for producing fine engineers and his 'notoriety' to obtain an engineering position with some firm in Mexico? Surely, Mexico has a great need for Engineers and he would be better able to better support his family in the States with such a position. And would this also not make him a more attractive candidate for re-admittance back to the States then picking beans or working as a manager at a factory?

Raymond Gross
Raymond Gross

I am curious about Oscar not using his degree from ASU which has a reputation for producing fine engineers and his 'notoriety' to obtain an engineering position with some firm in Mexico? Surely, Mexico has a great need for Engineers and he would be better able to better support his family in the States with such a position. And would this also not make him a more attractive candidate for re-admittance back to the States then picking beans or working as a manager at a factory?

the realist
the realist

Soon, USA will be a small country scattered around the continent mostly taken up by prisions while the rest of the continent is free of its idioticy which you are such a clear example of.

C.lue
C.lue

Ignorance,that's is what is wrong in the world today.

Alex
Alex

hey dumbass, if you would have read the article correctly, its says "husband", last time i checked it means they're married.

C.lue
C.lue

Blaming the parents for wanting a better live for their children?.. You have NO idea what those parents go through, so that their kids can live an american dream.

Sammendoza70
Sammendoza70

NO Columbus came to the continent of America ILLEGALLY!!!! he came over with sweat on his forehead by slaughtering,torturing,genocide,and KILLING millions of NATIVE AMERICANS that includes MEXICANS,Africans and Indians!! we are INDIGENOUS we can rome all over the Americas!!now white people in majority say to follow laws or rules that Mexicans break but obviously forgot what the white people did conquered and broke human rights,killed,slavery,tortured,genocide.Europeans stole land and killed people!!the pilgrams are the real ILLEGALS deport all europeans and the real anchor babies!!!We are INDIGENOUS people not ILLEGALS this is our continent!!so all whites go back to your homeland which is europe

Jungletractor
Jungletractor

Hmm...perhaps we should trade YOU for some smarter Mexican students since you obviously haven't mastered the English language and grammar. I'd rather have smart go-getter immigrants than a lazy dim xenophobe any day.

K_cay
K_cay

The amount of money that they pay is minimal compared to the amount of health care cost that they are availing, the accidents that they cause, fraudulent activities that they do, the drugs that they bring....

Barleycat
Barleycat

Mari,

If they don't have a social security card, how are taxes being taken out of their check? In order for money to be deducted from a pay check you have to give a SSN. So, if they have no SSN they are not paying into the system, and therefore as illegals, should not have access to any government funding.

Instead of having nightmares, why doesn't the woman in the article apply for a green card and citizenship.

Jungletractor
Jungletractor

P.S. I'll share a little secret with you. It's "their" not "there". Also, it's "are" not "R".

 
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