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By Ray Stern
By Ray Stern
By New Times
By Amy Silverman
By Stephen Lemons
By Stephen Lemons
By Monica Alonzo
By Chris Parker
The Obama administration could seek to enjoin the law.
At the rally at the Capitol on Sunday, Arizona Congressman Ed Pastor called on the U.S. Justice Department to do this. He held back his support for economic sanctions on Arizona, in hopes that either the feds or others might be successful in stopping the legislation.
At the same rally, Congressman Gutierrez blasted President Obama for laying the ground for SB 1070, by continuing the 287(g) program, which allows local cops like Sheriff Joe Arpaio's goons to act as immigration agents while under federal contract.
Gutierrez noted that either Obama or the Justice Department could, with "the stroke of a pen," issue an order or opinion stating that local police do not posses an "inherent authority" to enforce immigration statutes on their own.
As such legal machinations play themselves out, SB 1070 has inadvertently created a coalition of individuals and organizations determined to overthrow it and the political cabal that's brought it into being. The movement is highly motivated, filled with righteous indignation.
Without SB 1070, this movement would not have coalesced around the issue. And for that, Pastor Stewart was right to offer thanks.
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Would someone explain to me "WHAT PART OF THE TERM "ILLEGAL" means and why is it not understood? Go home Sharpton and all yoju glory seekers. You don't have to be in the line of fire here.
Regarding the boycotting. Arizona's top export, making up 1/3 of our export revenue is computer components. These components are then shipped to Mexico to be assembled. Wouldn't make much sense to boycott that now huh.
The only reason the democrats want to let illegal in is for their vote not for them and certainly not for this nation
The author of this article has clearly not read the actual bill that he is condemning. The bill explicitly prohibits discrimination based solely on race, color, or national origin. The bill does state "IF AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IS CONVICTED OF A VIOLATION OF STATE OR LOCAL LAW, ON DISCHARGE FROM IMPRISONMENT OR ASSESSMENT OF ANY FINE THAT IS IMPOSED, THE ALIEN SHALL BE TRANSFERRED IMMEDIATELY TO THE CUSTODY OF THE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION." This simply states that convicted criminals who are here illegally must be turned over to the federal government, which is enforcing existing federal immigration law. The bill does not allow for police to stop someone walking down the street and demand proof of citizenship. People who are too lazy to read the bill for themselves should not be writing irresponsible articles and blatant falsities in a public forum.
If anyone is interested in what the bill says, here is the link http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/4.... This article was written by people who have not read the bill quoting others who have not read the bill. It seems that everyone is spewing the same rethoric and they have no idea what the are talking about.
Arizona, kiss the tourism business good-bye. You've chosen incarceration and a war zone instead, as "new Jobs" creation. The conservatives who drive government spending and control. How sad.
Every citizen of Arizona can do something about illegal immigration without worrying about its police being accused of pulling over hispanic motorists for "driving while brown."
Here is what you do: pull out your cellphone or get on your home phone and call your local immigration enforcement (and maybe police, too?) office and turn in local hotel operators. In my experience in the hospitality business, 70-80% of all hotel and motel employees are illegals. Even before SB 1070, it was illegal under federal law to employ illegal aliens with penalties ranging from fines to jail time. These types of raids are non-controversial and will send a message to those who are really at the heart of the illegal immigration problem, business owners. If they start going to jail this problem will stop.
So see a busboy at a local restaurant who doesn't speak english? Turn in the restaurant owner! Run across a construction site where the workers are all speaking Spanish? Turn in the firm's owner!
Of course, that means that the GOP will no longer be getting donations from these business owners since their money will be used to pay defense lawyers and pay fines. Oh, and the Arizona hotel business will be crippled. Or rooms will become more expensive. But who cares, right? You gotta do the right thing!
SO TURN THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!
i think that this law is the stupidest thing ever and i dont like it at all. people are just being racist with this law i mean just think if they kick out all the mexicans then the economy will go bad because we are the ones that buy the most so the government needs to think what shes actually doing,IM SERIOUS!im just a girl who thinks this law is stupid because what if you had a family member that is mexican and you love that person so much and they know that she is illegal i dont think that you would like that would you?!no you wont so dont say that you agree with the law because this is the biggest mistake the government has ever done!EVEN I THINK THAT TEACHERS DONT AGREE WITH THIS.SO THINK WHAT YOUR DOING AND YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO LOVE PEOPLE NOT BE RACIST AND BE HATING BECAUSE I DONT THINK GOD LIKES THAT AND IM SERIOUS!
JANICE... Please do not waste any of your time or your Lord's time praying for the neanderthals that use this page to vomit their filth and hateful, childish bigotry. They are beyond redemption and are the product of the evil that is incorporate of lives lived in abject sadness, despair, want, and confusion. It is too late for these caricatures of humanity to understand that DO NOT represent the teachings of Scripture, they are it's tragic antithesis. To love is a caprice of each individual. But HATE WILL ALWAYS STAND THE TEST OF TIME. And so they remain immortal.
May Our Creator Forgive all these Biggots. I will be praying for them all. God commands "Love one another as I Love you." My Pastor teaches us to love one another not show hate and disrespet. If we see someone showing hate or expressing themselves in a hateful way then you know their church is not teaching Gods word, because GOD IS LOVE.
I think the sleeping giant tag belongs to the American citizens of all races across this nation that are tired of the government handouts to the illegal people who have steadfastly broken the law. The citizens are tired of paying for these people who have no respect for our laws or constitution. You will be seeing many states adopting similar laws soon and for those politicians who continue to announce for boycotts or sanctions against Arizona, soon they will be voted out of office. All this chatter has been to win the future vote by wanting amnesty or for speaking against the bill. Happy to say they will not be around after being voted out this next election. So to the illegal population in the US-- YOU HAVE AWOKEN A SLEEPING GIANT and soon you will be packing and going back to your native country.
Dear Congressman Gutierrez,
Cesar Chavez supported legal immigration and border enforcement. Cesar Chavez understood that illegal immigrants drive down the wages and lower the standard of living for all Americans.
Arizona's SB1070 is not racist or wrong. It is not discriminatory or evil. The law simply gives law enforcement the ability to assist the federal government in enforcing our current immigration laws.
Every other country, including Mexico, has laws against illegal immigration. We cannot go on allowing people to thumb their noses at our laws while others follow the rules... THAT is not FAIR. THAT is not RIGHT.
That sarum guy must be an S.S.I. recipient. He sure sounds whacked. He's obviously unemployed to have so much time for writing such inconsequential crap on his computer. "Save the unborn baby gay whale freaks."??? Pretty wierd there, dude.
Haaaaahhhh! "Save the unborn baby gay whale freaks!" Love it! Yes the sleeping giant is the overlooked citizen whose will and vote is ignored or over-ridden by a government gone wild. My world is getting smaller with each passing day as I see more and more public figures disqualify themselves from having anything valid to say - oh yes I watched the clip on this site - "The border crossed us!" Oh no, you have all crossed the U.S. citizen too many times - we are the sleeping giant. . . you are a pesky mosquito bandito. That movie is advocating a violent solution to a population that is already threatening violence and should not be shown, ever. It is very strange what we tolerate in the name of free speech yet the important information remains hidden. I suppose the producers and other participants can say "It's a free country" and convince themselves that they have no responsibility for any violence that occurs as a result of watching that movie.
Really - about time -AZ you are the leader in the fight against illegal immigration. Before all you retard hippy descendants and save the unborn baby gay whales freaks take a point of view remember it is the word illegal and then go ask a legal immigrant how they feel. Why is this country asking TX, AZ, CA to fight our international war for all of us? Hey Illinois how about kicking in yr share? The federal government will have to make a hard choice to back off the new AZ law or they will just tone it down a bit. Look at the news every night in AZ, TX and CA – who is committing the crimes? Not the Mexicans but the illegal ones fighting for food and life required necessities (and the damn gangbangers) – at our taxpaying and security expense. Mark these words – there will be a revolution in this country to take back the founding principles. I hope the House and Senate denounce their self proclaimed rock star image and roll up their sleeves and fix this as fast as they shoved the health care issue through the broken pipline. Remember Slick Willy and his attempt to get health care fixed in this country – and who was his leader on the subject and his wife? Oh yes - that Hilary name pops up again. And we voted a man in with questionable citizenship. America has become stupid and lazy. We don’t care about anything but our selfish own self’s. Think not – name all the neighbors on your street …. Go ahead I’ll wait (as I know this will be a short exercise). The whole immigration thing boils down to simple numbers. The good ole USA sets a limit on the numbers from the world based on how many we can absorb economically and available jobs to support these people. We know we will have to provide for them in the way of education, health, housing, food and so on. Now double that amount with half being illegal and you see the problem, unless you are a tree hugging liberal then there is simply no hope for you. Solution: bring all the troops home – who cares about these countries and there people that don’t care about themselves. Put the troops on the boards until the wall is complete then the troops roam the streets of our country finding the illegal’s. Once they are caught they become property of the state. Use them for free labor for the rest of their lives. Not such a good deal to sneak into the land of opportunity now is it? They are illegal and don’t deserve to be tried under our laws MENT for our citizens and lawful entries – they will become enemy combatants and treated as such. Oh my freedom and my rights some will cry – put your damn heads back up your butt where it was while this problem only grew. NAFTA with Mexico is gone. Call in all our loans to Mexico. If they get mad just say "no speak English". Now we will be able to allow the ones that apply for citizenship to enter and be able to help them get a start on their relocated lives.
Komrads, I am der CEO of N.A.G. (Nazi's Arizona Government) and I want all good, clean white people to join us in our effort to rid our Lord's land of the brown-skin peril, you blacks are next. Just because we haven't been hating on blacky lately doesn't mean we've forgotten you. The damn beaners are now priority. WE WILL rid the State of you non-white vermin and make it a safe and secure place to raise our precious Meth-addicted children. We at NAG want to help AZ. fulfill it's destiny of hatred, by the people and for the People, and live by our mottos: "We're alright cause we're all white" and "Arizona- it's a dry hate". So, support me and our law makers, Russell Pearce, Gov. Brewer, Andy Thomas, and The Arizona Nazi Party when say get white or get OUT !!!
I think that the people who are making this about race are the illegals and their supporters. The illegal Mexicans are the most prejudice people in the area. Citizens of Mexican descent will all tell you this about the illegals. I am thinking about a child's soccer game. We were warned that the team we were about to play was known for fighting so if they devolved themselves into that behavior we needed to be ready at a moment's notice to pack our kids and exit the park and forfeit the game. On our side we had plenty of parents from many nations who speak Spanish as well as English. The opposing team was all Mexicans of unknown legality and they only spoke English when they absolutely had to - that in itself is militancy and insulting. Just like always it seems - they spoke many Spanish insults about the US team. The coaches screamed anti-gringo (even though we obviously were not all gringos) and anti-US sentiment to motivate their team to win. These are little boys being raised on this hatred and other little boys being forced to suffer it. Family there to support their kids were pelted with rocks by children of the opposing team. We could not kick this team out of the league for their nasty behavior because then they would scream prejudice and discrimination and it would be a lawsuit. Well this new law is what you get for treating us this way in our own land. Some of us are your brethren and we understand all the insults that you say and we will not be bullied into joining you and your hate mongering. The US has tried to make social change for decades and your prejudice and hate is not in line with our national agenda. We don't want your hate to become a legal citizen. We want you to take your hate home with you. We don't think that you will suddenly be nice if you get citizenship. We have enough problems and you just make everything worse. You prove our argument with how you handle this situation and playing the race card when it is not about race at all. It is about economics and dollars and math and how things don't add up and you cost too much. If you were polite and respectful and stopped playing the race card you would have much more of a chance but this militancy when most of us have been doing a slow burn about you even being here for decades? Oh no. Why should we legalize a warring, divisive, hateful, militant group who won't even bother to learn the lingua franca and do not respect the cost that you incur to us? I have a teenager who identifies as Mexican-American but recently he is learning who can be a friend and who cannot and sadly he has realized that some of his friends from Mexico are "too Mexican" meaning they are so filled with that Mexican hatred of all US citizens regardless of their Mexican heritage that they cannot become trusted friends. And you politicians would invite that attitude to become a permanent part of this nation? We the people are telling you this is not a good idea.
Here's another cognitive dissonance - lots of liberals and conservatives who have "made it" appear to buy into the old Horatio Alger myth of economic success in the US. They think less of the working poor US citizen than they do of the illegal which is why they don't mind that poor citizens are passed over for illegals in jobs and even to life or death healthcare. For resolution to this situation they need to honestly re-evaluate the conditions for success in this country and the barriers to it. Logically this is not going to happen because they/you are not feeling the pain. Just so you know that we are not going to accept losing the enforcement of this law or the law itself because of your screaming hate words. Those words are not true. We are not prejudice or bigots.
Wow! Where is the love? If Arizona can no longer afford her illegal aliens then all you supporters should pony up and pay for their education, their food stamp card, their section 8 housing, their AHCCCS medical care etc. But nooooo, it seems that the naysayers cannot do math but they have learnt some 3 dollar words to throw around - like apartheid, fascism, racism, prejudice, bigotry.
Maybe you need to feel some of the pain that needy citizens feel when they are denied medical care but illegals are given it out of our social safety network paid for by our blood sweat and tears. Every time an illegal receives benefits and a citizen is denied the bonds of slavery are cinched tighter around the working poor citizens of our nation. Slavery is when you do not get to reap the benefit of your own labor. When the citizens become needy due to whatever circumstance, they are often routinely denied the benefit of their labor - the AHCCCS/Medicaid, the FoodStamps - all of it but the illegal is not denied and they did not pay in. This practice is extremely wrong and the people disagree with it. I cannot imagine that anyone who has suffered or have had a loved one suffer the discrimination of our own government against helping needy citizens in favor of helping illegals could be against this law. It is not prejudice. It is need and lack that makes people support this law.
There was a time when our local media did cover this problem. There was a case made famous by the Arizona Republic/Gazette about a young citizen mother who developed kidney disease. Eventually she lost her job, and with it she lost her medical care. AHCCCS administration did not approve her to get a kidney transplant. They said it would cost too much money. The newspaper reported that AHCCCS administration determined that those monies would be better spent fixing the broken arms and legs on 10 illegal aliens. She died. Her 3 babies lost their mom. I never knew her but I would like to remember her on this Mother's Day. I will never forget her as I was so shocked by her story and her death at the hands of those bean counters. I wish the R & G could do a follow-up story on the life of that family after their mother's senseless death. At that time we still believed that we were the richest and best nation in the world so I suppose my cognitive dissonance was greater?
It seems that none of our media has dared to illuminate the situation with this type of incisive reporting in recent years. I wonder why? Do you think that the economic and death threats are similar to how the emotionally hysterical screaming of 3 dollar words suffices as a thought-terminating cliche? The well-traveled among you should certainly know better than this. Many of our allies have routinely requested papers of everybody for all the decades since WWII. In France you need police permission to sleep at your relative's house for one night and if you are stopped on the street by a policeman and you forgot your ID you become punished. I do not hear you calling France fascisti.
This New Times rag editor expects us to contribute $$$$ to the "immigration" issue as if his truth were self-evident. It is not evident for anybody who has lived the gritty reality of the US citizen working poor, or the US citizen who has had the hardship of serious protracted physical illness and lost everything because of it. It is not evident to the citizen of Mexican descent who watches the elderly of Mexico march across the border, cry poverty (after legally giving all of their property in Mexico to their children) and receive retirement benefits from the US government that is grandiose compared to what a lifetime of hard work and paying into the Social Security system has purchased that citizen. So we have people of all ages and ethnicities dissatisfied with our current illegal alien situation who do not think that making them legal is the answer either.
I was going to call this paper fascisti for its singular point of view but now that I have read the comments allowed from people who support this new law I will correctly refrain.
In my comment here I have spoken of the Mexican illegal alien since they are the most but those of us who know people in the border communities know of large groups of Chinese, bands of Egyptians - all nations of people are crossing our border illegally. Many of us wonder how much of our US economic problems would be solved with strict enforcement of illegal entry laws - like our neighbors do? Like most nations around the planet do? Why has nobody shown a study on that?
Here is where I think alot of people and churches get lost. I think there is a consensus that a human being should have a right to a decent job with a sustainable wage. I think that most people agree that this right supercedes national boundary rights. I agree. However we have that cognitive dissonance thing going on again. There are too many US citizens who do not have a sustainable wage (if they even have a job now). Then when you take the US social safety net that US workers have paid into for all their lives and use those resources for the illegals and deny the citizen - well we have been watching and burning with anger about it for decades. Taking the benefit away from the citizen is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. Slavery means not getting the benefit of your own labor - in this case in the form of the social safety net that your labor has been garnished to create.
So what some of us have always wanted to know is this - Every time an illegal receives benefits then a citizen is denied? And for you scoffers, this could happen to you anytime - an unexpected illness could put you there.
Yes, if you compare the US poverty with poverty around the world it is different and may even look rich with things to you. (We are still able to scavenge cast-offs from others that make us seem OK.) The fact is that the US citizen is expected to live to a higher standard and so the poverty becomes all that more difficult. I have been calling the US poor non-citizens for decades because of the way I see it. For example, now everything is on the computer - the internet, and the poor US citizen can just go to the library, right? I mean to pay the bill, to do research on the bill status, to check your child's grades and the school expects internet communication, to look for a job - all of this requires internet just for basic function.
Easy Peasy, can't afford internet? - just go to the library. Well, who is going to watch the kids? I don't have money for a sitter. How am I going to get there? I don't have a car. When I get there I have to wait for an hour to use the computer. I am tired and hungry. My brain is not working. I don't have money for fast food. My brain isn't working. I have a bladder infection and I have to wait at the bus stop for 45 minutes and I am hungry and thirsty and in pain. I am worried about my kids being watched by that crazy drug addict neighbor while I go to library. In my rush to catch the bus I forgot to give food for them. I hope she does not take them in her aunties' car - she is not safe to drive? Oh my kids! Oh I have to find a job! You think this is easy? The poor US citizen is in the same boat as the illegal this way. You are pitting two populations against each other with your economic policies. Poverty is not romantic. We can't all get along. Not in poverty anyway.
And hello, for those of you crying all these foul words of bigotry and prejudice? How haughty of you to call US citizens "Americans" as if only the US citizen has a right to that word. You need to find another word. Mexicans are also "Americans." Canadians are also "Americans." Chileans are also "Americans." You are so brainwashed and blind, offensive in your ignorance and even more offensive in your willingness to scream your ignorance, and do not even know that you cannot think. . . . . much less do the math.
Surely we will see the usual Arizona folks lining up at our California welfare offices for food stamps and AFDC checks. We do not need any new laws to start checking out their IDs for welfare fraud and public university residency requirements. We just need to push these losers and drifters back across their Arizona border. It is not racism. Who wants these out-of-state ne'er-do-wells moving into his neighborhood? We have to protect our property values.
And exactly when did your people ever wait in line, Pilgrim? Your people came here as the uninvited rejects of Europe's, the exported WHITE POVERTY of Europe.Even Ellis Island was for Europeans-only: nothing but Europe's white trash came through and the requirements for "waiting in line" were 1) Be White and 2) don't be coughing up blood.How many times have we heard the sob stories about "my great-grandfather came from Europe penniless"? Deport yourselves or learn to speak Lakota, Iroquois, Nahuatl, or Navajo. You're the only illegals and "Atlantic Ocean WETBACK'S" around here.
Illegal immigration is a problem in Arizona, if not the entire country. People who come here illegally are not paying taxes or really contributing to this country, but are still expecting the treatment of a U.S. citizen. Our public schools are suffering because illegals come here, have babies who are legal because they were born here, and then send them to school without paying the taxes to help fund the school. Illegal immigrants are finding ways to make money without paying taxes on it, and then send most of it back to the country they came from, which is hurting our economy. By being in this country illegally, immigrants do nothing but hurt and damage those of us who are legal citizens. Now, if you notice, the bill in question does not say to look only for those specifically of Hispanic origin, but anyone that may be an illegal immigrant. In knowing this, why is it the Hispanic people are the main upraised voice opposing this bill? Maybe it's because they're the ones doing most of the damage to our fair country. There, I said it. Now calm down, deal with the punishment for breaking the law, and let us Arizonans handle our immigration problem the way we need to because apparently no one else is willing to do it.
Great job Gov. Brewer! It's about time! You are listening to the citizens of the U.S. and not the illegals. Thank you for thinking of us first.
I considered moving to Arizona to be closer to friends and family, but I can't do it. I am not deterred by SB1070 as much as I am by the 60 percent of Arizonans who support it. Loss to the Arizona economy is the value of the house I would have purchased, loss of the income I would have spent and the loss of the savings I would have put in a credit union. Estimated loss 1.5-2.0 million over 5 years. I won't even visit anymore. Sorry folks but bigotry costs.
If someone just broke down your door, moved in all his family and demanded you provide for them all would you just do it....or do all you can do to get them out or they will bring you down until you have nothing left that you worked for. Well that is what the illigal's are doing so send them home.....ALL OF THEM.....GO ARIZONA your doing what any family home owner would do.....
"White people. This is an Apartheid law. And missing from this discussion is the context of how White people (Europeans) came to this land. Since 1492, European-descent people have arrogantly invaded this continent, committing genocide, rape, slavery, land theft, and resource plundering. All the while, these European pirates/squatters screamed at Native Peoples that we were: 1) Unsaved pagan savages, 2) the wrong race, 3) without rights to our humanity, freedom, and collective land ownership. I have yet to see one bonafide "Pilgrim Passport" from Native Americans. That's because White people have violated the sovereignty of every single First Nation Government in this Western Hemisphere. European-descent people are The Ultimate Illegal Aliens. They are in no moral position to preach about "assimilation" and "legality" which they themselves have rejected for the last 500 years. Boycott Arizona".by Migel A
Way to go Arizona, Stand Firm, Stand Tall many here in California support your efforts. The only sleeping giant that has awaken is the "American Citizen"
Woo Hoo. Less truckers driving through our city and on our highways screwing up traffic flow. On a side note the last two "Day Without A Mexican" protests were some of the best days I've ever experienced commuting to and from work. No 5:30 wake up call with the leaf blowers, they were glorious days. Perhaps we could have them all take a month off and protest. Think about how nice it would be to work and travel then.
I am an American citizen who does everything by the book like I am supposed to, but I disagree with this new anti immigration bill. Because of this bill, everybody in Arizona is at risk for detention, even you white folks who don't think this applies to you (If you make a cop angry for no reason, he can make up a good reason to arrest you, right?). When someone gets detained by ICE, they have no rights. They cannot get a lawyer, medical aid, not even a phone call. It can take months, even years to prove that you are a legal resident, or a US citizen and even if that person who was detained can show proof, ICE can dismiss it as invalid, and proceed to deport you. A senator or a judge would have to intervene to save their ass. Many legal residents and US Citizens, (even the ones that are white and have Russian names)are currently detained on the assumption that they are 'illegal' and this new law in Arizona will create more problems for all Americans.
I am a citizen borned in America,I do not like deliberate law breakers of any kind.In America the earliest significant effortsto restrict immigration to the U S was as early as the late 18oos,when inspection stations were set up along the southern border.The problem is they are confused instead of demonstrating here inAmerica take to their own country where it belongs. Thank You Connie
Way to go Arizona!!!!! Keep the pressure on the illegals and on the feds. Hopefully my state of Florida follow your lead!!And...this is not an 'immigration' bill, it is an Illegal immigration bill.
Let me start by preaching to the choir…
Consider a situation we’ve all seen in a supermarket involving a mother and a spoiled child. (Please. I’m not comparing illegal aliens to spoiled children -- bear with me).
The child grabs a piece of candy, and the mother shakes her finger at the child and says “no, no! Put it back!” The child stomps its foot, and starts to eat the candy. The mother tries to take the candy away from the child. The child screams, falls down on the floor, and makes a huge scene. The mother, embarrassed, lets the child eat the candy, and pays for it when she checks out.
Who is responsible here? Is it the child? What makes the child behave that way? Is the child inherently a monster?
Is the store owner responsible? Why doesn’t he agree to let any child take a little piece of candy if it wants it?
The problem here is clearly the mother. She has the responsibility for her child’s behavior. She is supposed to set the rules. This is clearly not the first time this scene has played out. This is obviously the kind of mother who does not take her responsibilities seriously, who would rather be her child’s “best friend” than to teach the child -- with discipline if necessary-- the benefits of good, honest behavior by following the rules. Consider the situation in this country in the 1960’s when it became a popular thing among young people to abuse drugs. (Again, I am not saying illegal aliens are all drug addicts – my point is nothing of the sort.)
Many of those drugs are very dangerous. Most of them impair drug users in a way that endangers the public. There were already laws against their use. Since then, drugs have been made available to users by law-breaking drug dealers, most of whom sell their wares without being arrested and punished.
Many of the same citizens for whom drug use was popular were also some of the most active protesters of the war in Vietnam. There was some sympathy for their opinion and feelings in those days. There appeared a certain tolerance for their actions, and a reluctance to prosecute them in a way that would more effectively have discouraged their drug use.
So we wound up with a whole generation with serious addictions, damaged brains, and a prevailing opinion that drugs are OK, and that only token law enforcement was appropriate and sufficient. Most tragically, our black ghettos (already populated by people who were victims of prejudice, and for whom attaining any success in life was very improbable), became exploited most seriously by drug use.
Who is responsible here? Was it the young people who gave into the temptations to join their friends in a popular activity of using drugs? Were they all somehow devils that just appeared all at once and who collectively started using drugs?
Was it the drug dealers (many of whom had no way to provide themselves with even a minimum wage by any other activity) who caused this problem? Was it the people who produced the drugs, smuggled them into this country and distributed them among all the drug dealers?
Was it the fault of the parents of all the young people? Did they fail in their parenting skills by not instilling in their children a proper respect for the law?
Or was it the legal system in the United States that was a colossal failure in enforcing drug laws? It took more than a decade for our system to respond to the growing, tragic problem in this country. Our system allowed the drug culture to become so firmly entrenched to the point that it was too late or too expensive to eliminate all the lawbreakers from the society. To this day, law enforcement at every level appears helpless to shut down drug trafficking throughout our country.
The problem here is clearly with the performance of our law enforcement agencies. There can be no such thing as the “rule of law” in any country that chooses not to vigorously enforce its laws. Just the fact that most people who sell drugs and most people who use drugs are never arrested and prosecuted for their wrong-doing does not make it OK for those people to continue to sell or use drugs. But it certainly makes it easy to understand why they don’t stop doing it. The problem will persist until it is addressed with enough force to stop it completely.
It is the same laziness and irresponsibility of our local, state, and federal government that has nurtured the uncontrolled growth of the illegal immigration in this country over the past 50 years. If I were a decent young person born in Mexico, married with several children I could barely feed, and I had seen numerous friends leave for the U.S., get jobs, and send back every week what I would consider a small fortune, while my family and I fought deep poverty and privations by staying in Mexico, I can guarantee you I would soon become one more of those to cross the river.
I’m saying that one cannot blame any illegal alien who, because of the absence of effective of law enforcement at every level in this country, has come to enjoy and depend on relative prosperity, and who wants to do everything he can do to be allowed to stay.
However, any argument that claims that it is wrong for a country to enforce its own immigration laws is simply outrageous, and even dangerous, no matter how lax it has been previously, and no matter how many illegal aliens have come to depend on our own law enforcement failures. That argument has no credence whatsoever, nor will it ever have.
If, in that supermarket scenario, the parent were to crack down on that child who has become accustomed to taking candy in a store, it would be an unpleasant experience for the child, and that unpleasantness is the fault of the mother, who had previously allowed the child to get by with grabbing that candy in the first place. A child should not be allowed to break the rules.
If we were somehow able to arrest and jail every drug user and drug dealer in this country in order to eliminate the market for drugs, certainly millions of people would suffer. But their suffering would be caused solely by their past behavior – their drug habit.
There is simply no acceptable rationale for any illegal alien to fight and complain about his deportation in accordance with the laws of the United States of America. And there is simply no acceptable rationale for anyone to criticize any government for wanting to enforce its own laws, just as Mexico insists on enforcing its own, very severe, laws on illegal immigration.
Those who want to reward illegal aliens’ law-breaking with full citizenship in spite of their behavior have come up with this cockamamie logic: “So, what else should we do? Deport all 12 million illegal aliens?” People who feel genuine sympathy for our illegal aliens (and that’s most of us) are intentionally tricked by that question into having visions of mass roundups, confinement within gulag-style razor-wire fences, cattle trucks being filled to capacity with arrested illegal aliens and driven across the border, and dumped somewhere in the desert.
Don’t fall for it. People spewing that message certainly know better. They are highly practiced in the skill of turning the simple notion of enforcing laws into some kind of cruel, racist attack on Hispanics, and we are too stupid to counter that argument with the clear, honest reality that MUST BE ADDRESSED in accordance with the law..
There’s an unanswered question that’s obvious whenever you hear our government claim that there are X number of illegal aliens living on our soil. You should ask “who counted each and every one them, and how and when were they counted?” There is no answer to that question!
We have absolutely no idea how many illegals are here now, and we won’t ever know, because there is no practical way to discover and count them all.
The most embarrassing aspect of the illegal immigration situation is that each political party is tempted, once again, to forgive all illegals, because Democrats and Republicans are both salivating at the prospect of convincing however many we wind up registering and nationalizing to support their party! This is a horrible situation to be influenced in any way by political maneuvering.
The ONLY sensible solution would be to increase our intervention so as to stop those coming across the border, and by prosecuting anyone who employs illegal aliens. It has ALWAYS been against the law to hire a non-citizen without papers.
Starting a large, nation-wide program immediately to omit hiring of illegals would immediately force our immigration problem to begin to wane. If law enforcement were to crack down on employers of illegal aliens, then illegal aliens who could no longer find work would, one at a time, return to their families in their home country by the same route they came here in the first place.
In other words, our government should perform one of the most important duties for any government: It must enforce our laws and protect our borders, no matter WHAT IT TAKES!! How on earth can any sane person debate whether or not that is the right thing to do? We should all come together and simply make it politically too costly for politicians to continue to look the other way. Any politician who influences law enforcement to NOT do its job should be impeached!!
DARYNi also have read the law and I can tell you that lawful contact, is language that is very open ended within the law. So before you start thinking to deep into this, let me use the example many undocumented persons are thinking about. What if it is a call to the Fire Department, a emergency call and the police as in most calls come to assist. That would be a lawful contact. Or this, a car accident, one driver is documented and the other undocumented. The police officer makes lawful contact and by the letter of the law "shall" meaning must, arrest the undocumented person based on being present with no documentation, (but as I stated in my last comment, the undocumented person does have a vehicle that is registered in his name, showing a home within the State). If Agencies or Officers fail to act the will be sued. Not to mention, each person booked into Joe's jail the City that made the arrest pay over $120.00 per day, who pays that, me, you and all the other documented persons, yea I know there are fees to the arrested person, they barely make that a week never mind collecting.
AJ. I suggest that you READ THE LAW that you are criticizing. You seem to have some good forward thinking about what may result in certain situations. You should be using that skill to project what might happen based on the facts and not use fiction as your starting point. I have read it and can tell you that it is 99% reiteration of already existing federal law. It has ONE, I repeat one, clause in it that states that an officer can now require that someone verify their immigration status under a very certain condition…The officer must ALREADY be in lawful contact with the person AND there must be “reasonable suspension” about that person’s immigration status. This does NOT “require police to stop anyone who reasonably looks like they are violating federal law”. This does NOT “open the door” to police raiding homes to find illegal immigrants, routine DEA drug searches of people in skate parks, or any of the other outlandish paranoid conclusions that people are drawing. To the contrary, it is giving AZ law enforcement the ability to treat illegal immigration as a state crime (in addition to being a federal crime) there by giving the right to AZ law enforcement to take action on it based on the ALREADY EXISTING legal precedent about legal search and seizure (Supreme Court rulings about reasonable suspicion…AKA probable cause). I appreciate that people might feel that a police officer (or police officers in general) might use this as an excuse to racially profile Mexican people. However, if that is the case your argument is not with this law, it is with the police and how they follow this law (or any law pertaining to someone’s civil rights). Has there ever been a cop that’s taken a suspect to the back room to rough him up until he confesses a murder? Probably. But the answer is not to remove any laws that prohibit murder so that won’t happen. The answer is to train and hold the police accountable for their application of the laws and people’s civil rights. In addition to this law, the AZ governor is signing an executive order requiring every police officer to undergo extensive training as to what constitutes “reasonable suspicion”. That training could be applied to suspicion of illegal immigration and it can also be applied to other areas of the law (drugs, weapons, gang activity, etc.). So this is a GOOD thing for the people of AZ and their civil rights. I admit that there are some aspects of this law that will be challenged and the court will have to decide about. But it will NOT be any of the paranoia about racial profiling and expansion of law enforcement’s ability to impede on people’s civil rights that everyone is making all this noise about. It will be (and I hate to give you your legitimate argument, but I am sick of debating this with people that don’t know what they are talking about) about whether or not this law supersedes the existing federal that this is virtually a carbon copy of. The argument will possibly be that since the AZ law introduces nothing new (ALL violations in this law already exist as federal violations) it should be nullified because it is irrelevant and already under the jurisdiction of federal law enforcement. More than likely though, the argument will be that AZ does not have the jurisdiction to enforce federal law and on any points of contradiction that can be found between the state and federal law. And I admit that there is a chance that there will be a challenge on the constitutionality of the clause stating that law enforcement can require proof of immigration status if “reasonable suspicion exists”. But that challenge will only be for show and to try to make a political point to sway public opinion. That challenge will be shot down every time based on case law that has existed for over 200 years in this country. AJ – I urge you and everyone else to read the bill if you are going to have an opinion on it. Also keep in mind that AZ thinks they need this law because their hands are tied by the federal government who has already passed this law but won’t enforce it nor let AZ enforce it. If you are not a resident of AZ then I don’t believe that you have a right to determine if they need this or not.
There is something fundamentally wrong with this bill that leaves one to only wonder why the Republican party of this state presented this Bill now. Could it be that the Federal investigation into Sheriff Joe is about to drop the big one and finally remove him for his position. And with this Bill being passed it legitamizes Joe's actions and all that has supported his policies on Immigration enforcement. Which is racial profiling in the name of protecting us from those law braking: landscapers, kitchen washers, cooks, neighbors and church members. Yes I know they came into this country illegally, but think about it, it is like the drug problem, stop using it and it will go away. If we stopped hiring the cheapest labor force or stop using drugs it would all go away. I myself know many undocumented people within my own community and they are the hardest working, family orientated church going people I have ever met.
Oh by the way, when my undocumented friends purchased a car or house here in the State of Arizona they completed State paperwork, MVD and County taxes . Yep the State Government of Arizona MVD took there money for yearly registrations but would not give them a driver's license So the question is if the State registered a undocumented person vehicle or takes yearly home taxes even though they don't have legal papers to be present within the Country has the state violated any Federal or even the States own laws. Sounds to me the State can not have it both ways, prosecute employers who hires the undocumented person and at the same time the State takes taxes and registration fees from the undocumented.
The Great Mexican Slave Trader Alberto Gonzales Speaks! Don't listen to him! Don't listen to him! He got the August 23rd "Just Illegal Immigration Enforcement." He wasn't one of my 9 U.S. Attorney fired! Don't listen to him! He LIE! He LIE! Brown skin, brown eye, Senator from Ohio! Don't listen to him! It's working! Satan Bill 1639 Economic Opportunity at the Southern Border "only" is working! Don't listen to him, don't listen to any of those fired U.S. Attorneys who didn't go out and do my brown skin, brown eye extermination. Don't listen to him, don't listen to him either! Just Tancredo! Just Pearce! Just Monica Goodling! Just Sara Taylor! Just the 9 U.S. Attorneys still sitting and doing our brown skin, brown eye, unto us bidding! Jan's law is here! We're back! Stop! Stop! We need more Border Security money! We need more GRANT MONEY! Don't listen to him! Don't listen to this Senator or that Senator! It was always about "civil rights." It was always about a Economic Opportunity, $5,000 per man, woman and $250.00 per child up-to-three! He didn't get the Immigration Only Memo! Illegal "ALIENS" Immigration ENFORCEMENT Economic Opportunity for local Sheriffs! Archives don't lie!
ONCE POLICE HAVE AN EXPLICIT RIGHT TO ACTIVELY LOOK FOR A CRIME, YOU ARE OPENING A VERY DANGEROUS DOOR. Sure, so many people who aren't Hispanic feel safe and smug and can confidently say "Well, that won't ever be ME..."
BUT NOW, OFFICERS HAVE AN AFFIRMATIVE RIGHT based on no quantifiable method. To simple-minded people who do not have the capacity and foresight to extrapolate from this, here's what I mean: Smoking marijuana is against the law in Arizona. They found 290 pounds of it on the property of the Arizona rancher shot by suspected illegal immigrants.
How do you know that next, the runaway legislature won't criminalize marijuana to a further extent? Yes, it's already a federal crime to have marijuana or marijuana-related paraphernalia on you or on your property.
BUT WHAT IF NEXT, POLICE CAN STOP YOU BECAUSE THEY HAVE "REASONABLE SUSPICION" THAT YOU HAVE MARIJUANA ON YOU. Maybe you're wearing a Bob Marley shirt. Maybe you are dressed similar to skateboarders and snowboarders, both of which have a pervasive subculture marijuana use relating to marijuana use (even implicitly endorsed by famous skateboarders and snowboarders).
Sure, it's not a big deal because it doesn't apply to YOU right now, and just those pesky illegals, who don't have a right to be here anyways, right? What about people who violate federal drug laws? Should we extend police the right--excuse me, REQUIRE police to stop anyone who reasonably looks like they are violating federal law? Should we usurp DEA regulation and have police routinely search people at skate parks and at Snowbowl?
You can argue that the rancher was killed just as much by the drug trade industry as illegal immigrants. Perhaps the killer would have still been trying to move across his property without the drugs. Perhaps not. But this is why this is a decision for possibly the Supreme Court to decide. It's clear that most Americans lack the intellectual ability to consider the legal implications of the precedent set by this. I'm not calling anyone stupid, just that none of us are as smart as a Supreme Court judge. At one point, not enough of us were able to realize that black people and women deserve the right to vote.
If the ruling majority makes an error, it runs the chance of never correcting that error. But that is why we have 3 branches of government that all check one another. Clearly, the governor of Arizona (who is trained in operating X-ray machines and is the only U.S. governor who hasn't taken basic politican science classes) did not check the legislature. Now, the courts are involved. If this law passes constitutional muster and the Supreme Court can assure us that this will set NO FUTURE PRECEDENT, I will back off. The chances of that happening are less than 1/100th of a percent, but I urge all of us to believe in the checks and balances system of our government. If the court overturns SB 1070, educate yourself to understand why. If the court allows SB 1070 to stand as is, please also try to understand the nuances of the bill won't actually lead to a police state.
Arizona can brag right now about picking on the little guy & how they fought back against illegals. But in 1 month 1/2 a billion in lost taxable revenue (present & future will hurt a little). Wait another 6 months and the amount will be catastrophic yet this will not be enough for the pride of hate to turn back . I'm surprised that the Democratic Convention in 2012 has not been cancelled here. You think that the crisis right now is serious, wait until it all unfolds. AZ is still in CIVIL WAR FIGHTING mode mentality.the transaction privilege tax and use tax - ouch Decreased gas taxes & usage will increase gas prices. More business will close, the used car market will take a dive, insurance companies in arizona will lose large amounts of revenue, doctors will face decreased demand, nurses will face decreased demand and comapnies such as Walgreens and Walmart will face decreased sales. All of these because of proud biggots using them illegals to boost rating & increase votes during an election year. If this were not an election year this would not be happening = AND YOU THINK ILLEGALS ARE THE DUMB IGNORANT PEOPLE OF AZ. Even after an injunction is approved, Hispanics will remember and their kids will remember for generations to come. Hey isn't that why republicans are trying to make Hispanics extinct -because most of them become democrats? Now I wonder why most of them become democrats?
Of course Larry Reid full of shit....Oregon has very few illegal aliens, I've lived there all my life.
I and many of the people in my state, support this new law.We have a great problem in Oregon with illegal Aliens.I for one will do all I can to pass the same type of bill in Oregon
I used to worry about how much my house value dropped below what I owe on it, but with this new law, I don't care anymore since it's only going to continue to fall in value since no one in their right mind wants to live here under the rule of communism.
Now I'm going to start looking for another house in another state, buy something and then walk away from the one I have in Arizona. The bank and Arizona can have this house and this arm pit called Arizona.
I'm outta this racist third world police state...
So you republicans complain of anchor babies and the costs. How about GE, how much money did they make and how much in taxes did they pay (made lots of money and paid $0 in US taxes)? Oh don't go there because we get good lobby money from GE.... republicans complain of the low paying jobs that americans are not willing to do at the wages employers offer. What about all the middle class jobs that the Bush administration outsourced to India and the Phillipines. republicans complain about pennies while letting their friends steal millions from AMERICA in taxes and jobs. let's compare apples to apples.
well r pie hole jsut had a raid at first they mention he 'got 36 people" then it came out 26 arrested illegals SO THAT MEANS 10 PEOPLE WERE VIOLATED THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS !!!!!!!!No one gets it til it happens to them. maybe we should install chips in people or tatoos like the nazi camps to tell who is who. the poll for 1070 is 51% I think some changed their minds when they see people in chicago carrying signs "arizonians are backwards" It will hurt the economy. conventions cancelled can you blame them i dont like living here in this back wards state either.
This law is so cool, now I can wear my KKK white robe and hood in public and not worry about going to jail since the cops will be to busy haraasing them pesky messicans
Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry new enforcement measures signed into law in Arizona last week, they remain deaf, dumb or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.
The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners?
- The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset "the equilibrium of the national demographics." How's that for racial and ethnic profiling?- If outsiders do not enhance the country's "economic or national interests" or are "not found to be physically or mentally healthy," they are not welcome. Neither are those who show "contempt against national sovereignty or security." They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own healthcare.- Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years' imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country.- Law enforcement officials at all levels -- by national mandate -- must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens' arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.- Ready to show your papers? Mexico's National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens' identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.
All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico's Ley General de PoblaciÃ³n (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, DC-based Center for Security Policy. There's been no public clamor for "comprehensive immigration reform" in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.
Immigrants come to the U.S. for opportunity. It would seem obvious that to control illegal immigration you need to control "opportunity".
Forget arresting or deporting them.
Apply RICO forfeiture laws to property/assets of illegal immigrants purchased with illegal income from illegal employment.
Use the same laws against employers who knowingly facilitate illegal activity by hiring illegal workers.
Property and assets seized can be auctioned off with the proceeds put towards additional immigration enforcement as well as state medical and welfare programs.
Illegal Immigrants come here because they "have nothing to lose"...let's RAISE THE ANTE and so they have everything to lose!
This is just another government ploy to impose their personal agendas on society. The real question is why has the state of Arizona and neighboring Border States failed to control or curtail the flow of illegal drugs, weapons and humans at the source. There are many legal and illegal drug lords, gangs and organized crime groups that have been around for decades; and trust me government knows who they are. The truth is that they are afraid of the consequences... they see how the Mexican authorities disappear or end up tied and beaten to death on the side of the road, they are not ignorant. Government is fully aware of the risk involved with taking these groups head on and their fear prevents them from taking action. The innocent illegal migrant workers who are being targeted are just an escape goat for local authorities to show that they are trying to do something about the issue. Apprehending innocent indiviguals will not solve the root cause of Arizona and neighboring states main problem/s. I guarantee you that taking all immigrant people of the streets in Arizona will not solve a thing. While authorities are busy questioning the thousands of illegal immigrants the US citizen or non migrant looking criminals are going to have a field day continuing their illegal operations with no opposition. WAKE UP ARIZONA, GROW SOME COURAGE AND GO AFTER THE REAL CRIMINALS!!!!!