But there's more: This depopulation causes an economic ripple effect that touches all business people, white, brown, and other.

"These predominantly Hispanic shoppers shopped in stores that weren't Hispanic," Fuller told the filmmakers. "These stores operate in a very small margin. If you lose 10 percent of your sales, that may be the difference between success and failure."

PWC didn't face a boycott like the one Arizona's now staring into, but in a world where capital is fluid, capital can choose to go elsewhere.

The faces of 9500 Liberty: Clockwise, from top left: Prince William County Board of Supervisors Chairman Corey Stewart; blogger/nativist Greg Letiecq; PWC Police Chief Charlie Deane; filmmaker Annabel Park; and FAIR lawyer Mike Hethmon.
The faces of 9500 Liberty: Clockwise, from top left: Prince William County Board of Supervisors Chairman Corey Stewart; blogger/nativist Greg Letiecq; PWC Police Chief Charlie Deane; filmmaker Annabel Park; and FAIR lawyer Mike Hethmon.

"Investors avoid controversy," noted Fuller, in an observation that seems prescient considering Arizona's current situation. "A controversial company loses its investors. It happens in local economies, too."

Ultimately, the economic doldrums caused by the flight of brown folk moved PWC to reconsider. About nine months after it passed its "probable cause" resolution, PWC's Board of Supervisors reversed itself and axed the most onerous provisions.

There are vast differences between Prince William County and Arizona. Hell, PWC only has about 380,000 souls in it. Arizona boasts a population of more than 6.5 million.

Plus, most of Arizona's 30 percent Hispanic population have been here for generations, are U.S. citizens, and could vote, if they're registered. This was not the case in PWC.

Still, as far as the battle lines presented in 9500 Liberty, Prince William County is a microcosm of Arizona.

The filmmakers are already beginning an interactive YouTube project for Sand Land, much like the one in PWC that birthed their documentary. And they are recruiting Arizonans to help with the all the filming and videotaping that will be necessary to cover the state.

They've been in town for Q & A sessions since the film began its run, which has been presented by New Times.

But the question I have is how long will it take before Arizona completes the same story arc that PWC has traversed? That's a question for which neither the filmmakers nor anyone else I know of has the answer.

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Lovethecityofhouston
Lovethecityofhouston

People seem to forget that America is an immigrant nation. Is it really possible to deport all illegals.

brownie1234
brownie1234

"One of Hethmon's fellow lawyers at IRLI is Kris Kobach, the guy getting paid $300 an hour in Maricopa County funds to "train" Sheriff Joe Arpaio's deputies in immigration law." This does not do any good because there are so many already, who slipped right through the fingers, like butter...still here in the USA, making more money than those born in the USA...yet, nothing has been done...our young Americans looking for jobs daily, while illegals making big bucks by using a different name....

Pobox348
Pobox348

Yes, this country has many immigrants, because the USA cares about others...but, when you claim freedom of speech, let me tell you something which will knock you off your chair!!!!! Be prepared when you say, "They cam to this continent for a better life...mexicans are hard-working people that discriminate lazyness, not race or color.." You got it all wrong!!! Why??? Because when you go to a court of law, you WILL be challenged, possibly embarassed because you will be challenged to PROVE your statements!!!! I hope you have done your homework and be prepared to tell the Judge where you got your information....One thing about education, you will be taught to not overgeneralize....have you gone out and conducted a survey...to prove your point in a court of law??? If you will do that, I can promise you that I will be there also to prove to you that "Mexicans are hard-working people that discriminate lazyness, not race or color..." You will be provided with evidence that these people have stolen, possibly your registration sticker assigned only to your vehicle, because they refuse to pay the license sticker required for the PRIVILEDGE to drive, NOT a right....steal at dollar stores because they do not have the types of doors who will buzz loud, when an item is stolen, instead of purchased????? Please be prepared to provide your evidence in the presence of a court of law, a judge, the prosecutor, possibly a jury trial....more so the different names lied to our America, all to obtain free food stamps, medical,...while the husband is also working under possibly your own ssi # and your name???? Hmmm, something to think about????

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, tonight, at approximately 9:15 pm, I came home, long commute because all day I had classes at school, an exam...came home tired, too tired desiring 8 hours of sleep...I arrive, and the neighbors who came to the USA, illegally, made sure that I heard their songs, in Spanish, singing Viva Mexico!!!! English, "Long Live Mexico!!!!" It was really LOUD, as if to provoke or incite something....Yet, they bring home approximately $2000 per month...claiming they work hard for their hard earned money in the hot sun...we can see how much they love the USA, right or wrong????

pamfila
pamfila

We want answers!!!!!! Who killed our President of the United States of America?????????????????????

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, we are still crying, crying....since our birth, we learned American history....we learned about our forefathers, England, Washington D.C....the white house....our U.S. Presidents, and yet, we still have to listen about people who hate our country...my daddy, 102 years old loves the USA.....I remembered our president Kennedy Who murdered our President of the United States of America?????????We want answers!!!!!!!

Ppobox348
Ppobox348

Look!!! Mydaddy was born in Silverbell, Arizona....my mommie (who is now deceased, was born in Bisbee, Arizona.....Yes, I am crying, crying....why??????because United States has been dis-restpected...to the max....Look, just go to YouTube.com.type Ray Charles singing about our nation..erthe Beautiful....This is so sad that today we have people coming into our nation, laughing at us because they were able to come into the USA, without USA papers...children of undocumented...because they know how ...

pamfila
pamfila

One big, tremendous, problem that young people, older people... are facing today...we go to school to learn...somehow the focus on American life is very, very wrong...the monies are going somewhere to assist the undocumented, while American students suffer...American students struggle; they want to go to school to learn...again, somehow the focus is wrong...because in spite of diligent study, all the student learns in school: "Test" on such and such date...that is all students learn nowadays...lots of money is being invested for each student, because Americans do have to be educated (It is a good thing.) When students (especially young people) have a desire to go to higher education....you take it from there...all it is is test on such and such a date...and the student is not fully prepared...the instructor is adding more and more books...well, how many books do they want us to buy??? They have a degree...look, supposedly you registered for three classes, 4 units each...then, the poor student did not get enough 8-hour sleep??? How can that person function with his/her brain???? It's taught in school that most people need 8 hours of sleep...in those 3 classes, each instructor is criminally wrong to demand lots of hours from that student (as a machine, instead of a human being) So by the time the student is through for the day, he/she has faced 3 teachers...all demanding unrealistic time from that student...each teacher thinks that this is the ONLY class...adds books, unrealistic reading....c'mon...students are human beings who are not superman...the brain needs 8 hours of sleep, time to get to school...etc...yet the professor will tell you, "Sorry, that is not my problem."...please take it from there...

pamfila
pamfila

We just hae to be very careful...because people, advacates for undocumented, know computers, know how to manipulate them....(for those of you who know computers). They often know how to read our messeges and notify, prepare...the undocumented, because there are there is a ring of them. Just pay close attention to your computer. Please do not post anything that someone else easily has access.

pamfila
pamfila

Just recently, a Mexican person challenged me as to if I know the law, why do I not park in the alley, my car, because her and her illegal husband who receive American benefits through deception for medical, dental, vision, free ride to her dyalisys...not an American citizen...yet, she challenged me for my parking spot, because she wants her illegally-come here husband (working for a rancher who hires illegals) She challenged me that I park my vehicle in the alley; she is illerate, but knows how to manipulate/lie to the USA government, while her husband brings home $2000+ per month...I told her, in an authoritarian manner, I said, "Look lady, you know what you are doing is wrong to our government; the police will not allow anyone to park in the alley!!!" Why??? You ask me, why??? I told her, that when police give a direct order, it must be obeyed!!! They do not want people parking on county property because should there be an emergency, they will not be able to respond with cars parked in an alleyway, county's property to begin with. I shut her mouth with my words, because her (illegally, uneducated) challanged someone who wants to attend school and learn.

pamfila
pamfila

Whoever shot the undocumented, perhaps he was defending the USA....our students, since grammer school, are taught to obey and respect our U.S. Constitution; this includes our U.S. elected President, our Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court..what you are teaching our young people is that it is ok to break the law....first, you tell your child that it is important to go to school, to obey all laws, not to hurt anyone....think about it....people coming into this USA, yes, some come in to hurt our nation; others come in illegally so that their offspring will get a free education, others come in because they want citizenship....the list goes on and on....yet, the law has been broken against the USA and the USA Constitution....Most illegals, speaking from what we see, most illegals own housing...why???? because they lied, using false documents, lying to the USA with stolen birth certificates....need we say more???? Hopefully, in a court of law you will provide the court legit substantiation documents....which will allow the USA Government to fully investigate...because they will do this...young people want honesty from their government, their leaders, their parents....the list goes on and on....

pamfila
pamfila

Latest news, word is out that there is some kinda computer network which is against our Arizona government due to people promoting illegal immigration...so sad, because we are sure our U.S. Government is already on top of it. People who do not respect laws, claiming they love God, should also pay close attention to what God says in His Word, something to the effect, to obey Caesar ( this means man's law; owe no man nothing..." We are to obey man's law...when people disrespect our U.S. Government, and the statutes, we are also disobeying God. He wants us to obey our U.S. Government, only exception is to denounce God. God likes laws; the 10 Commandments do not provide for a religion; they provide obedience to man's law and God's law so that every person is at peace. To owe no man nothing, clearly indicates that we are to pay our taxes, our debts, especially our loaners....

pamfila
pamfila

I guess, what I am trying to say, is that we do not hate human beings; all we want is that because we all have to obey all laws, everyone (including the undocumented) have to obey the laws which are passed by our Congress. The USA and the U.S. Constitution must be obeyed. Undocumented have to also obey and respect the USA laws. I do have a problem when I question why, why people coming in from i.e. Mexico, they are unhappy with Mexico, why do these people honor their country while taking advantage of our country, our USA??? When students are struggling through school, staying out of trouble, Why? do people from Mexico play their taste of Mexican music so loud, BLASTING LOUD, when students want to study??? Nobody has answered this question. Our USA government deserve respect and honor. Just today, I heard the news, that one of our police officer's life was taken away...police officers are only doing their job, to keep our cities and the USA safe. The undocumented people, which I have witnessed, are illiterate, think they are above the law, desrespect our police officers when they enforce/uphold the laws that govern our society. One example that I witnessed and that I will expose, is that one undocumented was stopped on a traffic violation. He has refused to go to the Dept. of Motor Vehicles to obtain a driver license, pay registration fees, no insurance (as the law stipulates). When he was assigned a lawyer, he was complaining that the officer did not "treat me right." The public defender jumped him and reprimanded him that she did not have to hear his complaint. She expressed, "Look, you broke the law!!!" This particular individual had been stopped several times; he had to pay lots of $$$ for previous and same violations. What is he hiding??? But instead, he feels that he has committed no violation of the law; he buys your stolen registration sticker assigned to your vehicle, for $20; still feels that the law is wrong...When I told him that he is in a "macho trip" he promised that he would never speak to me again (which is a blessing to me). When a police officer does his/her job, we are to obey, period!!! There has to be laws because otherwise there will be chaos. When you arrive a red stop light, we have to stop as the law indicates. Just think, what would happen if this particular law did not exist??? I leave this up to you to think about this...

pamfila
pamfila

KTAR 92.3 FM; This thing, or whatever DOES NOT work with USA people (voters who really want to express themselves...How dare you play with us...Look, no excuses...Illegals are putting our Government into bankrupcy..Just hire investigators who will go to Salinas CA, apply for a copy of their birth certificate...As long as they present them with the info taken from the birth certificate, stolen from yours truly........cry, cry, cry....because America is being desrespected to the utmost...I bet if your hard earned $$$ which you paid for the law requiring that sticker on your license plate is stolen by the illegal, because they do not want to get caught by our law enforcement (maybe they came here illegally???) Sin and a shame....for our USA...look, just in front of where I live, the county van picks up the illegal and provides medical, food stamps, ssi money...Now this will blow your mind...The women who come from way deep in Mexico, their husbands work the agriculture fields...yes, while their wives use a different name, with false documents and statements to the social worker that they have no food, a place to live...while their husbands are bringing home $$$ working the fields...who are they kidding?? All that $$$$ is going to women whose husbands bring paychecks, because they know how to manipulate, lie to our government for free handouts, all the while using other names, i.e. stealing others' ssi #s....Tears again for our USA

Petem88
Petem88

leticiolalia morales of 15501 pasadena ave #8 tustin ca 92780 submitted fake employment records to obtain a US work visa. she aslo used fake documents and paid a consul $500000 for a US tourist visa. she is now applying for citizenship.

Pamfila
Pamfila

Yes, here in LeGrand, CA you have fat mexicans who cannot get a date with an American; they start dating men from Mexico, who cannot speak English and have been here for years, why??? because the welfare gives them a check, medical, etc...and the men bringing in a $500 - $600 check working the hot sun. Oh, but they do not mind because the woman goes to the welfare dept crying that she does not have food for the children, cannot afford the rent, needs medical attention........catch the drift????And on Fridays a big fat check that the Mexican Man brings home using somebody else's social security number, false California Driver Licenses, and IDs to cash those illegal checks.....then, pays some thief who will steal your license plate annual sticker from DMV, yes pays the thief $20 for that sticker....to look current when our law enforcement officers run the plate....need we say more???Oh, then they want us to listen to their LOUD mexican music from MEXICO....

Yolanda Miranda
Yolanda Miranda

This country is made of immigrants, most of them NOT LEGAL. Most of them EX-CONVICTS FROM EUROPEAN PRISONS, THEY CAME TO THIS CONTINENT FOR A BETTER LIFE!!! And most anglos are their descendants. An FBI report on LAtimes, states that the cities of LESS VIOLENT CRIMES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY ARE IN BORDER STATES, DESPITE ARGUMENTS FROM BREWER, PIERCE & ARPAIO, they are San Diego, Phoenix, El Paso, & Austin, Tx. WHAT DOES THAT TELLS YOU ABOUT MEXICANS IN GENERAL??? Yes, that Brewer, Pierce and Arpaio are all about racial discrimination, not about real facts. Mexicans are hard-working people that discriminate lazyness, not race or color.. YES, BOYCOTT ARIZONA. WE DON'T SHOP IN ARIZONA ANYMORE UNTIL BREWER, PIERCE & ARPAIO ARE OVERTHROWN.

Annoyed in AZ
Annoyed in AZ

rumpledone -- this isn't your column. Number your points so someone can rebut them.

Illegals=$$$'s for the special
Illegals=$$$'s for the special

Pearce and brewer and their enablers shot themselves in the foot. They may win the battle but they lost the war. Who the Hell in their right mind would want to step a foot in Arizona much less live here. Those who are trapped in the state pray for the day they can leave. Thank Pearce and brewer, his puppet for the mess Arizona is in. I didn't vote for any of them. The bigots and racists can have the state for themselves. Let Sun City pay for them and the damage they've done to innocent lives, families and children.

Kevin
Kevin

How are Mexico’s law's on immigration tougher than our own, and yet we get criticism for being "racist & inhumane"? I haven't heard one person who argues against the law to have any knowledge other than what our so called 'news' agencies dispatch. How many people have researched SB 1070, read it & can understand that it's mirroring United State's federal law? An American citizen in Mexico, legally or illegally, could not protest any political movement or idea; which is exactly what has happened all over the U.S. by non-citizens, ie: ILLEGAL immigrants.

From the Consititution of Mexico (link provided)Article 9. The right to assemble or associate peaceably for any lawful purpose cannot be restricted; but only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country. No armed deliberative meeting is authorized.http://www.ilstu.edu/class/his...

Here are some other interesting reads on what Mexico's immigration laws are like:http://phoenix.bizjournals.com...

http://www.washingtontimes.com...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/new...

am
am

Since Pearce is so set on "illegals" why don't we also include the LDS Church like they did over 150 years ago when they were not allowed in the east and pushed west.

Just wondering
Just wondering

From what I have read, the AZ law mirrors the FEDERAL law. Since the FEDERAL government won't enforce their law the STATE of AZ decided to do it themselves. The $$$ drain on the local community must be HUGE, in all sections, medical care, schooling, houseing, emergency services, crime, My question is......"how is this wrong?" If a person is in the US illegally they have committed a crime. Seems pretty simple to me. Commit a crime go to jail, isn't that how it works! I must say I support Arizona's right to enforce the law. I will continue to visit Arizona every winter to enjoy its weather, baseball training camps, great ethnic foods, museums, field trips to the desert.

Yolanda Miranda
Yolanda Miranda

"DECISIONS". This law is based solely on discrimination. My father was once an illegal immigrant. One day, he crossed illegally from Mexico to this country. I APPLAUD his brave decision for a better life. Thanks to him, THIS BELOVED COUNTRY CAN COUNT ON ONE MORE electrician, a math teacher, a civil engineer, a nurse, a paralegal, a data analyst, a tax preparer, a physicist & nuclear engineer, a clinical psychologist and me, a truck driver. All of us HAVE BEEN GOOD FOR THE OVERALL U.S. ECONOMY. My father made a smart decision. Illegal immigrants and their children buy houses, cars, insurances, everything in the stores, they spend billions of dollars in the fast-food restaurants, not only adding an extra billionaire revenue to this industry, but creating thousands of extra jobs to cope with the clientele in this places. McDONALDS, WENDYS, BURGER KING: Stand up and defend the illegal immigrants from people like Jan Brewer, she is too blind to see that WE DON'T SHOP IN ARIZONA ANYMORE, and this is hurting this state more than anything else. Perhaps she is waiting to have a heart attack and have her life being saved by the son of an illegal immigrant, yes, the cardiologist-in-turn in the emergency room. And maybe then, she will clearly see her stupid decisions.

truthseeker
truthseeker

******NEWS FLASH******

Whites to be racially profiled, stopped, detained, questioned, forced to show proof of no wrongdoing.

Due to the disastrous and devastating effects of white people, who have willingly and unremorsefully ruined our economy, coast, jobs, name and reputation abroad, other countries, and on and on...(BP, AIG, CitiGroup, Goldman Sachs, Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, and on and on...) whites will now be targeted and required to show proof that they are not a part of any of these groups. Since it is white people, and not undocumented Latino workers, that are the ones who are truly destroying this country, they will be completely happy in adhering to the checks and searches, especially if they have nothing to hide.

Effective immediately.

Rocky
Rocky

Chad Snow, If you want credibility, it would help if you didn't blame a brand-new law for problems whose onset was in 2008. For all the ranting about how supporters of the new law are economically ignorant, I observe that neither side is free of exaggeration and logical fallacies. Further, it appears to this writer that some of the more extreme and irresponsible comments purporting to support the law are most likely written as false-flag attacks by opponents of the law.

fellowhoustonian
fellowhoustonian

when the east europeans and irish came from europe, we as a nation ask for them to come, they got off port in new york and was given papers for naturalization(citizens). thats america the IMMIGRATION NATION, not people sneaking across the border and being told not to come thats an INVASION, none of us were originally from here, but the rules are now is how it is, this isnt the 1700's

Richard1980
Richard1980

listen back in 2008 california had a deficit of $14 billion and out of that $10.5 billion was being spent on illegals. add to that the fact that their bringing down wages bringing up healthcare costs and supplying most of the drugs. illegals are already bankrupting cali & if arizona doesn't do something they are headed down the same road. so that's why they are doing this not because they are "evil whites". http://www.protopage.com/zigaretten-kaufen-onlinehttp://www.protopage.com/acheter-des-cigaretteshttp://www.protopage.com/comprar-cigarrillos

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, that happens all the time...we have witnessed that the women marry an American person in order to become a U.S. citizen...changing their names...yes, they became American citizen...If our government begins to investigate the people working the offices with power, they would find out that they, themselves, are assisting illegals...they are paid "under the table"....mocking our precious USA...this type of criminal behavior will stop when our government gets really serious and begins to check every little thing...surely, things will be exposed and blow your mind...why? because obeying the law is serious business...it is nothing to play with...Thanks to God that we have computers which are storing and exposing frauds...Have fear of God, who can see everything...then, you cannot go wrong!!!

Steven
Steven

I don't know about the rest, but........

"Oh, then they want us to listen to their LOUD mexican music from MEXICO...."

Why does that matter? {P.S. a little trivia: rock-and-roll was created as a fusion of at least Euro- and African-American, and maybe even other, cultures. Got a problem with THAT?}

pamfila
pamfila

When you know what the law stipulates, please come to all of us and explain it...whoever comes into this country, the USA, is to obey the U.S. Constitution, no buts...If you were to go into a court of law, I challenge you to answer to the Judge and answer the question: Can you prove that the anglos were their descendants? If you have not proof, please stay out of it, please inform the judge that you are knowledgeable in law, and qualified to explain the U.S. History of the USA, please, can you do that...mark my word, YOU will be challenged by the educators who took the time to go to law school, struggled to pass those difficult exams, suffered hunger....the list goes on and on...because when you present your story to the judge, you will be asked to provide a substantuation to your accusation...

pamfila
pamfila

Believe us...your dirty $$$, Arizona does not need anyway...as for those who work the fields, they broke the LAW!!! Obviously, you are not playing with a full deck of cards..Laws are to be obeyed....maybe you enjoy your whoever, going to the welfare office for FREE $$ and foodstamps, lying to the government....NOTHING is FREE...but we do have faith in our USA government that soon, thanks to computers, they will catch the criminals, and YOU will not be able to do anything about it....You have guts in what you have expressed, but we dare you to talk this way in front of any court of law...

Real americans
Real americans

What a fool phoenix has the highest kidnaping rate second to mexico in the world dumb ass they find a headless body everyday in arizona and random killings. 24,000 + dead in mexico in the last 3 years more dead than all the wars of the u.s.a.so if you don't support sb1070 your a fucking traitor an should be shot it's allready a law to show papers you don't like then get the fuck out.

Steven
Steven

@Yolanda Miranda: "An FBI report on LAtimes, states that the cities of LESS VIOLENT CRIMES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY ARE IN BORDER STATES, DESPITE ARGUMENTS FROM BREWER, PIERCE & ARPAIO, they are San Diego, Phoenix, El Paso, & Austin, Tx"

If this is really true, why hasn't the media reported on it? You would think that this being a free country and all, we'd be able to see ALL sides of the argument..........I guess not.

Pamfila
Pamfila

Look!! You are not making any sense...illegals are used to using false ID's, someone else's birth certificate because they stole it...driving without a license and a registration sticker that was bought for $20 from a thief who makes a living by removing those sticker....When you break the law, (excuse me, when YOU break the law, guess what???) There have to be laws, otherwise, chaos!!!!!! Please, please, please, DEFEND our UNITED STATES of AMERICA, or GET OUT!!!!!!!

Pamfila
Pamfila

This is not your column either!!!! Our U.S. Constitution allows for freedom of speech that defends our country.....This is our country...go to school so that you can learn the law and argue your ;point before the U.S. Supreme Court. They will tell you the same thing, because if you do not defend the United States of America, GET OUT!!!!! Thank you very much!!!!

pamfila
pamfila

I can go to Arizona when I feel like it. Why? Because I am honored to be a USA citizen, born in the USA!!! My parents were also born in the state of Arizona. We are PROUD to be Americans!!! This country has a beautiful history because it is documented in all history books. The problem lies in that illegals bring up Pancho Villa, etc...that this was their country...well, sorry Charlie, you lost the war!!! This country is the most beautiful country in the whole wide world, otherwise, if you are illegal, you are jealous...you came here illegally!!! You broke the law!!! We are waiting for ICE to come to Le Grand and get rid of many here who have falsified documents, disrespect our country, the USA, have lied to the immigration in Fresno, CA ---all to their false pride...that this was their country. Then, as the person up above indicated re: Mexican music - thanks to pamfila who stresses the Blast which does not allow students to stude because of that loud Blast!!!

Pamfila
Pamfila

Yep, yep, yep!!!! Those illegals will, I am sure be able to find their way back home, just like when they broke the U.S. Laws and came here illegally. Thank you very much!!!

Pamfila
Pamfila

Kevin, you are very correct...When you, or I, break the law, we will be punished according to the statutes (what is written); it seems that illegals are getting away with a whole lot...i.e. here in LeGrand, CA we are infested with illegals using false IDs, false birth certificates which were stolen by some bleeding heart who cannot find an American man because she is too fat and will not exercise, passing illegals to U.S. with stolen birth certificates, etc.....yes, those illegals go out in the hot sun because the ranchers pay them beans; American men are too smart for that because if they go out there in the hot sun, the labor law will apply to the letter of the law, i.e. farmers will have to pay overtime, medical and dental benefits, pensions, etc.....They are rich because the illegal aliens are willing to settle for those beans...

Pamfila
Pamfila

NO NO, NO,...Arizona is NOT discriminating...enough is enough, why???? Those illegal aliens come here to America as opportunists; they are not thinking about obeying laws; they are thinking about the green almighty dollar! Living in California, we witness them coming in through San Diego. Many came through very easily just by practicing "American citizen"...during those thimes, if they talked like an American, or did not look real Mexican, easily were allowed through. These people are criminals and know how to manipulate the system, i.e. there is a woman here who recently became and American citizen; she paid an American man to marry her as a business. He makes $$$$ by marrying women from Mexico and helping them to become U.S. citizens. The only way to catch him and his daughter is if the government goes after the Mexican woman and ordering her to give up his name.

pamfila
pamfila

There was still, an American law broken...Young people see the hypocrisy in your words...you take them to church, to worship Mother Mary...ok, no problem with that, but yet, they see you breaking the law ...lying to the USA Government...what do you think Mother Mary is thinking...maybe she can read your lying mind, bringing tears to her eyes for defending crime???? Xmas is around the corner; this is when Mother Mary is thought of....

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, they buy in fast-food restaurants, supposedly pay taxes...think about it....if I lend you my SSI number, you work under a criminal boss who accepts it...when tax time comes around, guess what??? You will get the refund according to the illegal's promise to you...yes, you will get that refund check from the federal government....think about this, when you are caught?????? I feel sorry for you because you wanted the easy/criminal way to obtain free $$$$ ....while you yourself disobeyed God Almighty, Mother Mary????, our U.S. Government?????Can you please answer this one???? If not, please ....we do not need your input....

pamfila
pamfila

If you hate the Governor of Arizona, watch out!!! You are a nobody for even wishing death upon her...yet you pray to the Virgin Mary, who did NOT create the heavens and the earth????Please read God's Word, Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth..." It did NOT say the Virgin Mary!!! You, who call yourself religious, read the Bible and you will learn that you are in sin by wishing death upon another human being. The Governor of Arizona is protected because she is a leader!!! Until you walk in her shoes please do not judge her...instead, give her some respeto (respect) as God commands in His Holy Word. Mother Mary would tell you the same thing....

Pamfila
Pamfila

Be careful for what you wish for, because you mark my word that what you have wished upon this American governor will most likely happen to you..If you do not appreciate our United States of America, don't you think you should go to Mexico and live among all those criminals????What are you talking about???These people will steal your own toothbrush because they do not want to spend the dollar they earned illegally, through an illegal social security number...Yes, they work during the farmworker season for beans, then they go to Mexico for Xmas holidays while a friend, or relative, in the USA illegally signs and cashes their unemployment check and sends the money to them in Mexico. Then, they return to USA to work the cycle again. Just for your information, it is against the law to receive unemployment checks without looking for work. If I were you, I would be careful as to what you are saying in the internet because the law is reading your statements, and maybe you are committing the exact same crime????

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, we still have a problem with your explanation that we have a problem with "What does that matter?" We are waiting for your response when you are focusins as the taste of that music. We never said that Mexican music is bad..we want to get across -- that when people want respect to their right to peace because they want to go to school and study...their rights are being disrespected. Once again, if you (maybe likes that type of music, which is your right)...if you play your taste for this type of music and want everybody to hear it (blasting it loud), you are in violation of a law. Law enforcement WILL come out to tell you to lower it, due to complaints of your neighbors living close to you, warning you to lower it to keep the peace...if they have to come out again, yes you will have to face a court of law who will order you a big fine, also a warning to keep your taste of music to yourself...that you have a right to hear your music quietly as to not disrespect others' peace and quiet. Think about this because if you continue to defend what you wrote, believe this, you will be outnumbered by Americans who want peace in their lives.

pamfila
pamfila

"Oh, then they want us to listen to their LOUD mexican music from MEXICO...."In response to your message above...it is obvious, very obvious, that you are NOT understand the LEGAL issue involved...Nobody is interested in your Why does that matter? {"P.S. a little trivia: rock-and-roll was created as a fusion of at least Euro- and African-American, and maybe even other, cultures. Got a problem with THAT?"} The legal issue stated above (I hope you read it again.) In defense of your statement...The question is that if, IF, you are playing your cultured music, play it so that you, yourself, play this music...Please consider the privacy of others, the legal issue here is that you keep your tase of music to yourself...Nobody is against their type of music...we just want to live in peace, that music was soooo loud with amplifier, where you cannot even hear your own TV (that is how loud it is interrupting our studying; that is very disrespectful) Also, it is very embarrasing to have to tell the neighbor to lower that music...Is that what they want?? Now, can you cite the penal code as to public disturbance...the law is clear and is to be respected...If you want to change that law, I challenge you to argue with those who wrote the law. Any judge in the court of law, will challenge you and reprimand...that he/she had to have peace and quiet while studying, that he/she had to go thru law school, that he/she want young people to study instead of living an idle life.

pamfila
pamfila

Remember the golden rule, "Treat others as you want to be treated..." We are not playing!!! Students go to school because they want to learn...if you do not want to learn let others learn. Students, might be your own grandchild someday who might want to be a doctor....he/she needs peace and quiet because of the very difficult exams and reading...students have rights...anyone who wants to study are pretty soon, they will call our local law enforcement because we do not need your dictation...statutory law is written law and clearly specifies to respect the peace of others...at least, if you do not want to go to school, please go to church where you will learn to respect the rights of others...you want to play your music, please keep it to yourself...

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, we have a serious problem with that, because even if you do not want to go to school in the USA, please do NOT put down our students...You go to college, have to do the studying, doing the hard homework....and people who do not respect others who want to study...yes there is a problem with that because people should play their own music for themselves without interrupting students who want to go to school and study for a career, etc...Yes, whoever you are, you should go to school learn the laws, because if you play your music so loud to disrupt the peace of others,....in our community, you would have to go to court, slapped with a fine...because the police came out and gave you a verbal warning to respect the peace of others...2nd time around, the police will not play with you because now, you DID disobey the law; you will be cited and have to go to court!!!! How does that grap you??????

pamfila
pamfila

Right on!!! If you do not appreciate the USA, please get out!!!! Please read the history of this great nation.... obviously, it seems that maybe you are lying to our federal government, cheating to get $$$, free $$$...until the law catches up to you...because believe me, we do face discrimination by illegals who hate our USA and people born here; yet, they cannot speak a word of English...they play their Mexican music LOUD/BLASTING until students will soon be going to the government and demand that they want peace and quiet in order to pass their exams at school. Thank God for ICE; hopefully they will come very soon and arrest in Le Grand, CA for their disrespect for American Law.

 
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