Here is some followup to the story, including new video footage:
Krentz Widow Speaks Outhttp://blog.vdare.com/archives...
Rob Sanchez on Vdare did a good job at digging out some related news stories.
By Monica Alonzo
By Stephen Lemons
By Jason P. Woodbury
By Dulce Paloma Baltazar Pedraza
By Ray Stern
By Pete Kotz
By Monica Alonzo
By New Times
Sue Krentz answered the phone about 6 p.m.
It was March 27, a Saturday, and she was in Phoenix, tending to her aged parents as a sister attended a conference.
Sue usually doesn't stray from her family's venerable cattle ranch in Cochise County for too long at a stretch. But she was planning on staying through the weekend, as another sister was coming into town for a visit.
She and Rob, her husband of 32 years, hadn't been on a vacation in years, what with endless tasks on the ranch, about 35 miles northeast of Douglas, Arizona, near the borders of New Mexico and Mexico.
The call was from her 27-year-old son Frank, who also works on Krentz Ranch.
"We can't find Daddy," he told his mother.
Sue last had spoken to Rob early that morning. He had told her he planned to check on some water lines on the sprawling property, an everyday responsibility to preserve the ranch's lifeblood.
Sue packed her bags, jumped into her car, gassed up, and headed for home, trying not to panic.
"We'd been shouting for years about the Mexican drug smugglers coming through our land," she tells New Times, the first time she has spoken publicly about that day.
"Things are dangerous for ranchers and other residents. But I tried to convince myself that no one would ever hurt Rob, who was the kindest person you'd ever hope to meet."
Sue got home just before midnight.
Home is at Krentz Ranch headquarters, five bumpy miles up a dirt road off State Route 80, the major north-south route east of Douglas.
She and Rob raised their three children in their modest adobe-and-plaster home, built around the turn of the 20th century and where Rob himself was raised.
Sue stepped outside into the chilly night to gather herself. The moon was nearly full, and the sky was flush with stars.
A helicopter soon came into view, maybe 10 miles away on the south side of Route 80. It circled around briefly before descending.
Dread overwhelmed Sue.
Within minutes, family members and friends sped up the road in their all-terrain vehicles with grim news.
"Rob was dead, and someone had shot our dog Blue, too," Sue says. "Blue was alive, but they had to put him down. He was a real good dog. How can I say this? There was evil out there that day."
Word of Rob Krentz's murder — the first of an Arizona border rancher in anyone's memory — flew around Cochise County within hours.
Within a day or two, the entire nation knew about it.
Krentz became an unlikely martyr, his violent death symbolizing to many everything that's wrong at the border. To them, he surely was the victim of an illegal, drug-smuggling alien.
He became the face of then-pending Senate Bill 1070, the madly controversial legislation whose point is to identify, arrest, and deport illegal aliens from Arizona.
To the crusty, close community of southern Arizona's border ranchers, Krentz was just "good old Rob," the co-patriarch, with younger brother Phil, of his family's more-than-a-century-old cattle spread.
By every account — except for unsubstantiated, anonymous comments on the Internet — Rob Krentz was an old-school cowboy with no known enemies and a big heart.
The Krentz brothers seemed to come from another time and place, strapping men who performed their cattle-ranching chores without complaint, battling droughts, economic malaise, endless government regulations, and, since the mid-1990s, an onslaught of Mexican drug smugglers on their land.
It was incomprehensible to those who knew Rob Krentz that someone would murder the 58-year-old grandfather as he sat in his Polaris four-wheeler in a remote pasture.
"All we wanted was to be able to live in safety on our own land," his widow says. "We don't want anyone on our property who isn't invited — drug smugglers, Minutemen, anyone. I guess that was too much to ask."
Some details of what transpired on March 27 have emerged over time. But critical facts, including the most important one — the identity of Rob's murderer — have not.
Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever held a press conference in Bisbee on the Monday after Krentz's body was found.
The somber sheriff, who liked and respected Krentz, provided details of the case, with New Times adding others from additional sources:
Rob and Phil Krentz were working on different parts of the expansive ranch that Saturday morning.
Rob called Phil on a handheld radio (cell-phone service is spotty there) between 10 and 10:30.
Sheriff Dever tells New Times that Rob told Phil he had just seen an undocumented alien near a water well on the property. The alien appeared to be "in need of help," the sheriff recounts, and Rob asked his brother to contact Border Patrol.
Later, sheriff's investigators spoke with two ranchers who share a radio frequency with the Krentzes and other neighbors.
One of the ranchers, Fred Edington, said he was listening to the ranch radio when Rob called Phil about being out there "with one illegal or several illegals. He could not remember [how many] but remembers hearing [Rob] say an illegal was hurt and to contact Douglas Border Patrol."
Here is some followup to the story, including new video footage:
Krentz Widow Speaks Outhttp://blog.vdare.com/archives...
Rob Sanchez on Vdare did a good job at digging out some related news stories.
Gee, I wonder where the editor stands on the issue. May I remind the editor that Native Americans were the first to live in both what is now the United States and Mexico. The Spaniards claimed the land, followed by the new population of Mestizos. During the battle for Texas Independence, equal numbers of Hispanics and Anglos, alike, were engaged in the battle for the Alamo, San Jacinto, etc. At the time, Texas not only included what is now the geographical area that we know, but also areas of Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, and Wyoming. The Mexican people are, assuredly, known for their willingness to work in difficult conditions. From what I have experienced, those who are willing to go through the long process of obtaining citizenship are also those who become the most responsible and contributive members of society. If someone comes to our country illegally then they really do not want to be Americans. They want to be someone from another country living in the US. Let us also not forget that there is more at stake than holding back drug dealers when it comes to our borders. Has anyone ever noticed how many terrorists have crossed into our country from Mexico? This is also a matter of national security. Please stop pointing the race finger at all who agree with Arizona's efforts. This problem goes much deeper.
Who we need to look at is everyone who could be a suspect, including Minutemen like Chris Simcox. Chris Simcox threatened to kill his wife and children recently and now is on the run. He also had ties to Shawna Forde, the murderer of Bresinia Flores. There are too many unanswered questions and I have long ago asked them. This man did not struggle with his attacker, he was killed by someone he KNEW. I want the real killer to be found...until we know for sure who did it the rest is propaganda. We know that the widow was clear that they also didn´t want the Minutemen on their ranch and that might be motive to kill him not to mention using his death as propaganda.
Howdy Sue,My wife and I talk about you and Rob often. As you know, Rob and I were schoolmates through out the Douglas schools, Cochise College, and the U of A. Though we only saw each other occasionally in adulthood, he was still my boyhood friend....and I miss him.Our very best to you and your family Sue. It is tough, yes, but you have a boat-load of folks pulling for you and remembering Rob. I will look in on you soon.Kind regards,Keith Stanford
this is in response to "triplexxxfactor" comments... Why don't you go cross the Mexican border illegally and see what happens to you.
Thank God there is a woman with some spine in the Governors office in Arizona to try to take care of this crap.
They shot a totally innocent man and his DOG? WTF?
And this is only one story of many.
Hitler, also, declared war on another race and demanded temporary power in order to, supposedly, protect the freedom and well-being of the german people. Basically, he got to suspend civil rights of jews that he never intended to be temporary. Just as it is amazing that Germans were willing to suspend other people civil rights 1070b does the same. Now it is azmazing that many AZ citizens support 1070b. Then again, they've been heard saying, now we understand why hitler killed all them jews. Plus republicans have considered mining the border to kill men, women and children. They are considering setting up tent camps for illegals in AZ. Russell Pearce, Republicans and Hitler have the same message, we must rise up and protect our nation. They know that every loyal American will rise up to what he calls an illegal invasion. They name their hate bills with words of patriotism. Because if you don't support the patriotic name of the bill you are a not a true American. Americans have to be smart and see it for what it is and not what it says it is. It is attorney verbiage distortion so that if you support it you a patriot and if you don't you're anti-American.
Hitler did it in steps, just like proud mormon russell pearce is doing. He wants to challenge and change the constitution to meet his racist agenda. The mormon church must support him since not 1 mormon in power has come out in opposition. And they won't because they have a pledge to fight against this country in revenge fot the death of rapist, child molestor and polygamist joseph smith:
You do solemnly swear, in the presence of Almighty God, his holy angels, and these witnesses, that you will avenge the blood of Joseph Smith upon this nation; and so teach your children; and that you will from this day henceforth and forever begin and carry out hostility against this nation, and keep the same a profound secret now and ever. So help you God
Hurry, put on your tinfoil hat....the black helicopters are hovering over your house. Moronic douche.
Thank you for your story on the Krentz Family. An Atlanta TV station recently has a news special on the Arizona border. They obtained records of illegal crossers on our border from the Border Patrol. Individuals arrested included people from Pakistan, Samolia, China and numerous other countries. Our southern border with Mexico is wide open. Arizona citizens along the border deserve to live in a safe environment. The border must be controlled as a first priority before an immigration reform can begin.
I think this is a nice article, thank you for reporting the reality of what the Krentz family is facing. Our thoughts and prayers have been with them and will continue to be. The "situation" or war zone on our border has been neglected for far too long. Our number one priority should be securing it, then focus on the immigration problem but American citizens deserve to be safe in their homes and on there property.
Thank you for an excellently detailed and factual article on the Krentz murder. We in the cattle industry are devastated for the Krentz family, yet are hoping this tragedy finally brings about the needed reform. Keep in mind that this reform MUST start with border security; the corresponding issues of illegal immigration, guest worker programs, rights of migrant workers, etc, while all certainly important is NOT what we are asking in Arizona. The first and most important step is to SECURE OUR BORDER! How can we possibly address any other related issue until we can determine who is entering our country?
What no one realizes is the harsh measures the Mexican government takes with illegal aliens in it's country. The southern border of Mexico is heavily patroled by the Mexican Police and the Mexican Army. If you are an illegal in Mexico you get off light with a beating, having all your money taken then thrown back across the border. THe U.S. tries to enforce the LAW and we get called racist etc....WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND??? DO IT THE LEGAL WAY. OTHERWISE YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW. Be glad people, because we are so racist, theyy get 3 hots and a cot then an air conditioned bus ride or a plane ride or both back to whereever they came from. (after their medical problems get treated at our expense also)
My condolences to the family. He probably should have been armed with an ar-15 and a 30 round clip. More than any other American, this rancher should have understood that this activity by ILLEGALS is an invasion and not about immigration.
Paul,My heart goes out to the Krentz family.You have written one of the most beautiful tributes to the family that I have ever read.
This certainly helps me see that there are so many facets to this very human story, from the difficult life for a ranch family, to the impact of drug cartels in the last 10 years on border residents to exploiting politicians using this humanitarian ranchers death for their own political careers.
The most moving and revealing statement by Mrs. Krentz was "All we wanted was to be able to live in safety on our own land," his widow says. "We don't want anyone on our property who isn't invited — drug smugglers, Minutemen, anyone. I guess that was too much to ask."
Thank you so much for writing this.Dee
Many pro 1070b don't care about the repercussions as long as AZ is more white. They rely on misconceptions created by racists and politicians and using fear to get votes. Want votes from racists, give them racist agendas/laws (russell pearce, jan brewer and joe arpaio know this). FYI, most of the canadians buying homes, cars, cable, electricity, gas, water dont have' social security numbers, alike illegals. That's how ignorant some AZ voters are. Most illegals pay for/own homes, cars, cable/satellite, electricity, gas, water, buy groceries, buy gasoline, go to the hospital, auto insurance, eat out, go to the movies, go to shows, pay property taxes, pay sales tax, pay state taxes, pay deferal taxes, etc. They use what is called an ITIN to file taxes and have used them to build credit, some have excellent credit. I used to run credit checks for all kind of peope in AZ from the poor to the most affluent and I know that some illegals have excellent credit. AZ voters shoud be mad at being deceived by politicans but it is OK as long as AZ is more white.Regardless of the consequences, AZ will have less hispanics and that is the main purpose of this law. On the positive side, this law should attract more white supremacists to the state. You know the white supremacists who refuse to pay taxes, trash homes, go on shooting rampages, kill cops, love methamphetamines and get our children to join their gangs, teach them to kill, teach to steal, teach them to hate, teach them to revolt against america, teach them to use and sell drugs, impregnate our daughters and then ignore them, teach our children how to survive in prison because that is where most end up and ultimate teach them to live life to the fuillest because they will die before 20 or 30 years of age. Oh wait, they're already here. START THANKING RUSSELL PEARCE, JAN BREWER AND JOE ARPAIO NOW.
READ THIS SO-CALLED PATRIOTS, don't let your racist laziness blind you. if you're a true patriot you want to know who the real enemies are. The mormons are trying to have the USA implode as revenge for joseph smith:
The mormons are domestic terrorist who are using 1070b to distract us from their ultimate goal TO TAKE OVER THE US GOVT. They have tried 3 times. The mormons helped in the WTC bombing, OK City bombing and 9/11 attack. They are using Glenn Beck like they used Timothy McVeigh. Why do you think they have this oath that they pass from generation to generation:You do solemnly swear, in the presence of Almighty God, his holy angels, and these witnesses, that you will avenge the blood of Joseph Smith upon this nation; and so teach your children; and that you will from this day henceforth and forever begin and carry out hostility against this nation, and keep the same a profound secret now and ever. So help you God
Torent's family my condolences go out to you for your loss. I prey something is done about our borders. It is not only Mecicans crossing into the US illigally and the ones that do get fake ID's once they are here. It is big business! false social security cards and ID are a big problem in Arizona. My frind owns his own business and got a letter from the SS Administration saying all three of the people he had working for him were diceased. Another place I used to work hired illigals with an AZ drivers License. An employee of the DMV would get paid like 2000 dollars to let illigals get a legal drivers license. There has to be a way to prove you are who you say you are, other wise this is going to continue to be a problem. Those were just two examples. I could go on and on about the fake ID's illigals get. Crime it is all about crime! Most are walking around and working with Fake ID's of some kind. They do vote, they do use up resources meant for US citizens, they are strapping hosital and medical resources. They are commiting crimes over and over again and getting away with it. Something needs to be done!
It's a sad lost for the Krentz's family. I think we should forget about left or right. We should united on this issue...our border needs to be protect against illegal border crossing. Americans should feel safe to live in our land with the protection of our government who we paid tax every year for them to work for us. It's not about the color of the skin but it is our country security! SB1070 is a bill that shake our federal government who didn't do their job, that's why the big guys in DC jumped up and down, screamed their head off not because of guilty but because of their future in DC
Miles….you’re the dumbass. You spewed so much stupidity that it hard to know what to address first. First of all…they are all criminals just by crossing the border illegally! They clog our hospitals for medical care they will never pay for. They drain our welfare system. They dumb down and break the budget at our schools to the tune of a billion dollars a year…..yes dumb ass with a B. The crime rate is sky high in the areas where they live. We spend untold millions having to police them. Toss out twelve million criminals and we will actually save money and our taxes will go down. So miles…just go home to whatever backwards crappy little country you came from and try and fix that place instead of trying to justify your criminal family here.
listen you dumbasses. i've read all these comments. a majority of you people, as with most people in arizona, and the rest of the US, are racist and pretend not to be or just don't realize that you/they are. the fact that Krentz got killed sucks. the fact that our immigration policy needs to be fixed, sucks. but there really is no evidence that an illegal killed him. we're kind of jumping to conclusions here. and i'm hearing from some of you, that these illegals are criminals and drug smugglers, rapists, etc. the only reason that 99.9% of these "illegals" are coming here, is to earn a decent living, raise families, eat food instead of dirt and bugs, which they probably had to eat where they came from. so, about 0.1% of these "illegals" are criminals. lots of white americans commit crimes all the time. we're not yelling for the imprisonment or deporting of all white people? thats your logic. you're stereotyping. you're scared of the brown people. illegals pay taxes, don't vote, are not taking jobs YOU want. wake up and see thru the rhetoric. "illegals" are a problem, but let the feds figure out their problem. which better not include deporting 12 million brown skinned "latin american" people. talk about the economy taking a dump....
I really for the family and may God bless them.Now for the border crossers you are not wanted here go back to your flippen country.They are the reason people like myself are out of work now and taking all the US will give them.Maybe we should wait on the border and if they cross oh my my gun went off sorry.
my condolences to the krentz family. and my admiration for the strength of will and character sue has been showing since this tragedy happened.
but my real comment is to the editors of PNT. congratulations! thank god you are now online. we will now get better written stories and editorials!!! hooray!!! not to mention a balanced news.
"what part of illegal don't you understand?"
The part of illegal that the uptight right-wingers of Maricopa County don't understand is that there are just laws and unjust laws, and unjust laws were made to be both opposed and disobeyed.
The US hires MILLIONS of Mexican immigrants, and yet its immigration process is an insurmountable obstacle to legal entry for most. The result of this hypocritical disconnect is death in the desert for many, the criminalization of millions of hard-working people who labor harvesting our food, building our homes, slaughtering and butchering livestock for our tables so they can put food on their childrens plates.
Large meat-packing plants ADVERTISE in Mexico offering US jobs. One plant had buses running back and forth over the border. Those who hire undocumented immigrants suffer no repercussions. All of the force of the state is against Mexican workers.
Tired of it?
You will never "seal the borders." US employers want their Mexican labor! so wake the fsck up and create immigration laws consistent with US employment practices.
I find that this particular articule angerd me in a way that truley i had to control my emotions. That no one heeded the plee of this womans words of insight to the continuouse trespassibng of her land. Even though it may not be the old west were strangers come abrawd ongoing to there destinations. This should have never happend and i feel it has happened before maybe even worse. My condolences go far beyond to this lady and i know she is strong. But what is her satisfaction to this a memory....I think not she deserves more than that and i wish it for her.
mormonsedition, I think we finally learned what all this is about. We appreciate your coming forward with the truth, as Warren Jeffs' case gets dismissed. Laws written for sexual predators were written with him in mind, not all those innocent behind bars thrown into the same sick Pandora's Box with people like Jeffs.
Maybe mormons killed this rancher to advance 1070b, to continue their plot for revenge
The mormons tried to overthrow the US Govt. twice which led to Joseph Smith being charged with treason. They were kicked out of NY for continuing to own slaves for persecuting Catholics and Christians because they are considered whore religions. In 1838, they lost a war in Missouri because they were trying to overthrow the US Govt. In 1844, they lost another war in Missouri because they were trying to overthrow the US Govt. Joseph Smith diabolical thinking, even, called Brigham Young president of the US and created the 100,000 troop Nauvoo Legion to overthrow the US Govt. He had a secret counsel of 50 who he claimed secretly ran the US. When they moved to Utah they brought war with them. Sept. 11 is a war day for them. Sept. 11, 1857 they dressed up as native Americans and slaughtered many in what is known as the Mountain Meadow Massacre in Utah. Now looked what they’ve brought to AZ via Russell Pearce. Up to 1927, this was a pledge called the “Mormon Oath Of Vengeance”. The original version was very specific in regards to treason and sedition but it was later updated to be more acceptable:
1845 Version: "You do solemnly swear, in the presence of Almighty God, his holy angels, and these witnesses, that you will avenge the blood of Joseph Smith upon this nation; and so teach your children; and that you will from this day henceforth and forever begin and carry out hostility against this nation, and keep the same a profound secret now and ever. So help you God."
1890 Version: "You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."
Let’s take a look at the role mormons played in the 1993 WTC bombing, the OK City bombing and 9/11. Osama Bin Laden’s Head of Security ALI MOHAMMED became an American citizen by marrying mormon white supremacist Linda Lee Sanchez in Reno, NV. Ali Mohammed brought in Ramzi Yousef and he detonated a Ryder truck and executed the 1993 WTC bombing. Ali Mohammed, also, brought in Sheik Khalid Mohammed, who orchestrated 9/11. Is it possibly that McVeigh a Catholic was used and setup by mormons Terry Nichols, Chevie Kehoe and Dennis Mahon? After all, they claim the devil founded the Catholic church as said by Orson Pratt another admired mormon seer. Yet, before the OK City bombing mormon Terry Nichols and McVeigh flew to a mormon hotbed in the Phillipines that also houses many Islamic Terrorist to talk with Ramzi Yousef. FYI, Nichols and Yousef attended the same college. Now, as miniscule as this is both 1993 WTC & OK City bombings were carried out via Ryder trucks & Ryder at the time was controlled by mormon stake president Anthony Burns. Also, 2 of the 9/11 terrorist attended Huffman aviation which was secretly owned by mormon bishop Wallace Hilliard. Dick Cheney’s wife is a mormon and Karl Rove began his political career in Salt Lake City. Mormons think our constitution is hanging by a thread and only the mormons can rescue the US. Are mormons who value family but have a rich history of incest, rape, slavery, polygamy and racism who they portray to be? Are they domestic terrorists who have the republican party fooled? Is russell pearce really trying to protect the borders or trying to eliminate a religion that mormons view as created by the devil? WERE IT NOT FOR 1070B, I WOULD HAVE NEVER KNOWN THIS & NOW I KNOW THAT 1070B IS A MORMON PLOT TO COVER WHAT REALLY IS GOING ON IN AMERICA.Where are these Patriots who claim they know the truth?
Shame on you for having that ad at the top! Just shows your a illegal lover.And for the poster who said we should all be mad at all illegals...we are! But we sure dont have to read all of our products in their language though.Our english speaking children arent being ignored while the "french" children are being taught.I've never called a business & been prompted to press 2 for russian.Its not OUR fault most all the illegals are spanish!Dont try and make this about race. My condolences for Rob's family & friends
Howmuch worse well it get.is it a start of anew civil war if everbody stops and look at simularies of the Civil war and realy look at those that are feeding the fire thing could explode to anew civil war like it was back in the 1800's When abraham lincoin was assionaated cause my family welling to probrably fight on both sides the cause could cover so many more topics
Hey Julie, is that 'content' you feel anything like the 'contempt' intelligent people such as myself feel towards you and your ignorant and mostly unsubstantiated outrage?
A very good article. I'm glad your newspaper (which is very liberal) at least took the time to look at why ordinary Americans could be fed up with illegal immigration. Hey, it is not all about racism as some would suggest. There is problem. It needs to be fixed.
It amazes me how reports like Rubin can tell you a story and yet still be one sided. I thought it was the job of a reporter to report. This article is huge disrespect to a wonderful man. Placing the ad Amongst U.S. at the top is bad taste. My take on the illegal immigration has only deepened with more content primarily because of individuals like Rubin. I use to want to just go after drug smugglers and human traffickers, but now, again because of people like Rubin and KPHO CBS news, I fully support SB1070 and I'm 3 generation Mexican and 100% American.
I'm sick of everybody stereotyping illegal aliens! Does this include other countries or just Mexicans? What about all the illegal Mexicans that got sent to Iraq does anyone care about their hides or your just happy that they are risking their lives saving the us hides! Think about that one when they get sent to Iraq that doesn't bother Arpaio why because where fighting in Iraq to save his hide from terrorist!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All Racism
"Reconquista" has been underway for quite some time. Now, it is taking place in the form of murdering innocents.Oh, and also in the form of "cultural studies" in the Tucson Unified School District.Hey America, wake the fuck up!
Backing up just a bit, I find it odd that so many people have concluded that this unfortunate murder was perpetrated by an "illegal(s)."
Nobody has been apprehended. The only eye witness is dead. What do we really know about the murder? We know that some empty cartridges were found near the murder scene. I suppose we could infer that the murder weapon was probably a semi-automatic pistol or rifle, since a revolver wouldn't eject empty cartridges. So if the weapon ever turns up, it can probably be matched to the cartridges. If the shooter was too casual, there might be prints on the cartridge cases.
I'm guessing that's about all that can reasonably be inferred from what the police have disclosed about the investigation. So far only a second-hand account of a garbled radio transmission and the geographic location suggest that an "illegal" might have been the perpetrator. This, of course, didn't and doesn't prevent political capitalization on the part of right wingers.
I love how people are oversimplifying this issue to basically "Well, that person jaywalks/speeds/cheats on their taxes; so they MUST also sell crack, be rapists, and kill children right?". And btw, Krentz was armed and perfectly capable of killing a person on foot from the comfort of his off-road vehicle. Too bad he decided to try to antagonize someone who was packing also. Dust to dust, what can I say.
"Will Not Stop 06/10/2010 3:46:41 AM
I want to know: For all of you who do not live in Arizona- What planet do you come from? The Krentz murder has shaken Arizonans to the core, as it has me. All of you "politically correct" nay-sayers are the only ones making this a racial issue. The only nay-sayers in Arizona are those tied to illegals by blood, anchor children and so forth, that legally vote her by the millions. "
Will not stop - your own statements PROVE that it is a racial issue to you.The term "ANCHOR children" you toss out is the first sign. It shows that you do not think of children that are born on US soil really are US citizens no matter what the 14th amendment says.What would you call babies born on US soil that are not the babies of diplomats?
Your statement "The Krentz murder has shaken Arizonans to the core, as it has me." hold little truth to my ears. Why is the murder of 1 rancher (which is absolutely horrible)more shocking to you then the murders of the Border Control Agents similar to those posted by "Larry"? Since you do not say anything else about the folks that have lost their lives in the course of their government jobs, It directly implies that you do not actually care about what goes on in "YOUR STATE" any more then what you are told to care about by what ever local talking heads you are enamored with.
Your statement "The only nay-sayers in Arizona are those tied to illegals by blood, anchor children and so forth, that legally vote her by the millions." Actually made me laugh out loud. SO according to you the nay sayers in Arizona number in the millions and are legally voting. And your problem with MILLIONS of voting people with ties to immigrants is?????
I want to know: For all of you who do not live in Arizona- What planet do you come from? The Krentz murder has shaken Arizonans to the core, as it has me. All of you "politically correct" nay-sayers are the only ones making this a racial issue. The only nay-sayers in Arizona are those tied to illegals by blood, anchor children and so forth, that legally vote her by the millions. They remain the minority vote in this state for now, which is what sets Arizona starkly apart from Califonia!!!!!! REPRESENT YOUR OWN STATE ACCORDINGLY- I do not cae what happens in Idaho or New York or Bum Frack Egypt as much as you all care about ruining my state.
Interesting that the New Times is running stories that are adding fuel to the pro-Arpaio, Jan Brewer, Russell Pearce crowd at the same time Arpaio cuts them a check.
It really sucks that Krentz was killed. I wish it never happened. But I hate how people go crazy with speculation without any facts to back them up.
I think the problem on our sothern border is much like the oil spill in the Golf. If you don't stop the leak you will never be able to clean up the mess. The border could be secured in a very short time if we get tough enough on enforcement. I do not believe the bleaning hart liberals well ever let this happen. Our best chance would to let BP take over.
Bravo, Mike re: Kim's apallingly myopic view of exactly who and what are considered "legal" immigrants (i.e. her family) and who/what are considered "illegal" (i.e. everyone else).
The ignorance astonishes.
Someone needs to start telling people that the immigrants coming from Mexico are not ALL Mexican, Mexico has the issues that AZ is havin, people from south and central american funneling into the Mexico/US border, someone needs to start telling all the idiots out there who only complain about "mexico" and "maxicans" that there is a whole range of people coming illegally through mexico as well, that's crime is so high in the border, I think both countries can work together to stop illegal immigration, and for god's sake pass sb1070 so all those illegals who are abusing the system can go home. Yeah it sucks but all those illegals make it difficult for the rest of us who migrated with the intention of having a better life and following the rules, I'd also like to see all the european illegals and asian illegals sent back home too, Im tired of trying to talk to guys who can't speak english and try to talk to me in russian or greek or something, staying after their visa expires automatically makes them illegal too so I'd like to see a commercial of john mccain going after them in the airport and work sites as well...funny how you never europeans and asians in the anti-illegals commercials. I hope sb1070 weeds out alll of these immigrants so we can all have a more secure home.
Kim states:"Illegal means just that. My Great-Grandfather came through Ellis Island and did it all legally"
And by legally you mean, he paid a private company to transport him across the US's international boundary, then waited in line till a overworked government agent looked at him and listened to make sure he did not sound like he had a cough/ or spots or some such.
Then he got a place to live, took a job that no one else wanted to do and then when the government introduce the social security card system(national tax id number) he got one and the children he supplied the seed for were born onto US soil and were in the current vernacular "Anchor babies".
Did I get the story of your family right?
By the way, HOW does your family story of paying a coyote to help them cross the US border give this grieving family any comfort?
The Krentz family, has my most sincere offer of comfort in this hard/ tragic time.
Please take comfort in a little Buddhist thought, Even though Robs earthly body is no more, what make him; him will be reborn into the lives of the ones he loved and that loved him. Same goes for Blue the dog too.
Alot of people are not fully understanding the outrage the people of Arizona are having. They feel we have something against the Mexican people. These are simple minded and arrogant people. Of course there are ones who will use this to hide their racism. But one thing that people need to understand... it's not the Mexican PEOPLE the problem stands with. It's people who purposely come here to simply take advantage of our system and to commit crimes. I have no problem with people coming here to better their lives. I would too if faced with the problems they have. But do it with kindness in your heart. Do not hurt or steal from people. I have quite a few Hispanic friends to support our law. In fact, I think the Mexican government is forgetting that they have the same law that they are screaming at Arizona for having. Go figure. So, all of these boycotts that people are placing upon Arizona? Go for it. We'll prevail here. While the ignorant states are boycotting us, we will be building Arizona to be a better state for Americans to live. And by Americans, I mean people from every nationality and race who lives here and agrees to obey the laws of our land. Before people place judgement on us, I say come live down by the border for a few months. See what it's like to live in fear that your children and elderly are not safe. See what it's like to have your house be constantly broken in to. See what it's like to have the need for someone to come watch your house if your gone for just a few hours. Come and feel the violation that the border towns are feeling. And read the article closely. This man was known for helping migrants. I'm sure he's not the only one.
I am sorry for the loss of Robert Krentz but where is all the uproar for the U.S. Border Patrol Agents murdered every year. Where is the uproar for Agent Rosas murdered last year about this time in San Diego. Now his wife has to raise two very young children all alone. No mention of Agent Luis Aguilar who left a wife and children behind after he was run over by a drug smuggler in Yuma in January of 2008. No one writes stories in TIME or any other magazine or newspapers for Alex Kirpnick a Border Patrol Agent who was murdered in 1998 by drug smugglers in Nogales, AZ. Even an article about the hundreds of agents injured every year by the "harmless" rocks thrown my aliens. Some left unable to support their families or even mentally disabled by the "Pebbles" hurled by migrants. It all shows where the focus lies, on money and skin color.
My heart goes out to the Krentz family.I think we can all take a lesson from the family and not hold every Mexican responsible just the twisted bastard that did this dirty deed.As much as we don't want to think that any part of this is the fault of the American people, we are at least 50% responsible for it.The sole reason that so many people are crossing the border in an illegal manner is the fact that there is work for them to do. Until the BIG business that is the economic engine that draws these people in are made to stop employing them the incentive that draws folks to cross the border will still be in place. Unfortunately no matter what laws we enact or what fences we build or how heavily we patrol desperate people will be drawn to the incentives that they see.
We can all agree that the immigration process is a slow, tangled and flawed mess that needs to be changed, We need to make that a high priority of the federal law makers.In the mean time Local and state lawmakers can focus on Killing the incentives that are the draw of the immigrants both illegal and legal. If the states or local governments simply levy a fine, on the company found to be employing a illegal worker, equal to 5% of the company's quarterly profit for every illegal worker that is found. Have that fine be split evenly between the state general fund and the general fund of the city where the offense took place. In no time you would find the companies complying with every employment verification law and more then likely going beyond what is required so they do not encounter a possibly bankrupting fine.
Will the politicians ever do any thing like this and tackle the root cause of the immigration imbalance? Probably not. Why? To many politicians get too much money both legally and illegally from these large businesses who make too much profit from the current status.
Every state in the Union has problems with illegal immigrants but not to the same extent as the Southern border states. Please do what you need to do to feel safe (sb1070) but DO something to address the actual incentives that are a huge cause of the initial problem.
Again, my deepest condolences go to the Krentz family.
My heart goes out to the Krentz family. Unfortunately, the media usually portrays lawabiding citizens as cruel and unfeeling, while they portray Mexican illegals as poor, unfortunate victims. Nothing is being done to save California. We have to deal with trashed neighborhoods, graffiti, crime, drugs, and blight. It breaks my heart to see what is happening to California. In believe it has been lost to the illegals. In 10 years, it will look like Tijuana. The taxpayers who are footing the bill and losing everything will be gone.
My heart goes out to the Krentz's family.You can tell this is written by New Times or should I say the Arizona Enquirer
No one is asking why the sudden influx of illegal activity over the last 10 or so years. Instead of bad legislation that won't stop the problem, why not ask our representatives to find the root cause of the illegal activity. Many already know the answer, but they won't address it. The issue isn't race or country of origin. The issue is class. The wealthy want their cheap labor. On both sides of the border.
Illegal means just that. My Great-Grandfather came through Ellis Island and did it all legally. Thanks to him, I was born into this country, as were my parents and Grandparents, as a citizen. But he did it legally.My heart breaks for the Krentz family and what they are going through. ESPECIALLY after the multiple warnings from ranchers, sheriff's offices, Border Patrol and citizens. If the government will not listen to the citizens who vote them into office, it is high time to vote in people who WILL listen.Mr. Krentz and his wife and family will be in my thoughts every time I vote in the next election and the one after that and the one after that and the one after that. Ad Infinitum. If NO ONE is respecting our borders, our laws or our lands, then NO ONE deserves to be here. When the sign says Keep Out, as a law abiding PERSON, I do. It's about time others, be they ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS or CITIZENS read the signs and OBEY THEM.