An Immigrant's Heart

To survive the ordeal of escaping Guatemala, Julia needed a big Heart. But not this big

Julia is always tired. Her older sister says she is "tranquil" from the pills she takes every day, but there is also in her a kind of resigned defeat. She is at risk of being deported, but only if she doesn't die first. But she speaks about her decaying heart as if it were another bruise on her frail arms—a result of some recent blood tests. The only time her face scrunches with worry is when she thinks about her children losing their mother. Then she breathes out a long puff of air as if to deflate her whole body.

Julia's long, flat hair is jet-black, without a fleck of silver. Her skin is golden and smooth, but she has dark circles under her piercing brown eyes. Her fingernails are polished and maintained, but her hands look aged and worn down. Her voice is high-pitched and slow, and her shortness of breath makes her sound a little choked up.

When she leaves Bellevue each week, she carries a brown paper bag full of medication refills. She's used to the routine: one pill to thin the blood, one to control the thyroid, another to control the water levels in the heart, two to maintain her blood pressure, another to help get to sleep, and a pill to control depression.

Julia Amparo-Alvarado at her Greenpoint apartment
Photos by Willie Davis
Julia Amparo-Alvarado at her Greenpoint apartment
Bellevue's Dr. Danielle Ofri: "I felt . . . entirely defeated" meeting Julia.
Bellevue's Dr. Danielle Ofri: "I felt . . . entirely defeated" meeting Julia.

She also comes back with sheets of printed paper that describe her blood test results, her next appointment, the names of nurses who have poked her with needles. It's all in English. She and a social worker go over each one and she writes down translations where she can: Marzo instead of March, cinco instead of five.

"My daughter asks me, 'Why don't the other parents have to go to the hospital when they are sick?' " she says with tears in her eyes. "I have to tell her that someday, hija, I will have to go to the hospital and not come back."

Over the past six months, Julia has lost a lot of weight, bringing her to a mere 100 pounds. Her arms hang loosely from her bony shoulders. Her belly is the only part of her body that is swollen—a side effect from the H2O blockers she takes to control stomach acids from eating her insides. She rarely leaves the apartment. Dressed in soft cotton pajama pants and an enormous faded T-shirt, she spends days coloring in her daughter's old coloring books. She watches television—memorizing the schedules of favorite telenovelas like Hasta que el Dinero Nos Separe (Until Money Do Us Part), and talk shows like ¡Despierta América! (Wake Up, America!) and the goofy El Gordo y la Flaca (The Fat Man and the Skinny Lady). She is too weak to do anything else—to climb stairs, to cook, or to walk. Even as she sits at her kitchen table, she fidgets—searching for an ideal position in which she can remain comfortable until the side effects from her medication kick in and she becomes nauseous or drowsy. Her door is always unlocked, and the neighbors and their children are constantly streaming in and out of her kitchen. They keep an eye on her, occasionally bringing Tupperware containers of food or books for her children.

"I do miss Guatemala," she says. "But it is good here because there is security. You can earn money, and you can get a better job—make money. I can have a place to live. There is hope here."

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pamfila
pamfila

Yes, today, I have to listen to bomb, bomb, bomb....etc...because the old man who works the fields (He is from Mexico) He is playing his music LOUD...does not care about other peoples' rights. I guess he got away with it in Mexico, but wants to do the same over here. He claims that he does not have to obey the law....that he can play his music as loud as he wants....Please take it from there

brownie1
brownie1

WILL acknowledge, our U.S. Presidents, our Congress, our House of Representative, also our Senators of the USA. country!!! No, No, No when I stated YOU are against our country, I meant you love our country!!! Our late President of the USA stated to the effect, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ASK what you can do for your country." (It goes something like that." But I clearly remember, when the newscaster announced in that black and white TV, that our U.S. President Kennedy had gone with the Lord!!! I still cry, cry cry...IThat is not what I intended....I intended that our USA President...they love our UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. When I was a little girl, we saluted our flag of the USA, every morning!!!! Then we had to prayed for our nation (that is discipline). We were taught the U.S. Constituion, and we had to memorize the amendments to the U.S. Constitution.Then, when I was in the fourth grade, we had a serious bulletin; everything stopped. Our United States President had been assassinated. I was just a little girl; all schools were closed and it snowed for the first time in Salinas, CA...I remember that I cried and cried, and cried; then, my mommie was crying and crying...we as children did not understand a lot of things. Then JohnJohn saluted his daddy; the entire nation cried and saw this. You know, to take away a human life, seriously this is not a game; this is very embarrassing for us, the USA, because God is nothing to play with!!!! Our USA president was shot.....we cried and cried, and cried....because us 4th graders at the time voted for President Kennedy who ran against President Nixon. In our class, President Kennedy had the votes, why???? Because he was handsome; we wanted a handsome USA president of the USA. Thank you very much for those who love and are very thankful to our USA. (c'mon, we were babies and President Kennedy was our heroe.)

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, I am kinda tired typing all those statement that defend the USA..I think they are scared to death. Why? Why?, because enough is enough. I am not only a happy person, but I am a very thankful person to my 102 year old daddy, my precious brother, Juan S. Amaya, because these men have integrity, character, responsible individuals who provided for their children - never using drugs, never abusing any alcohol beverage...the list goes on and on because I am tired of typing, my fingers are tired...because I know that when I write my book, listen very carefully, (direct order); I WILL acknowledge, our U.S. Presidents, our Congress, our House of Representative, also our Senators of the USA. Thank you, because I already see it, YOU are against our country!!! Plain and Simpleeeee!!!! Thank God that I also met people of the USA, people who inspired our GREAT nation, not a nation of Mexico!!!!! We have our own leaders who know how to keep this coungry intact - that nobody, you hear me NOBODY is going against my country, the USA!!!!! I dare you to face me, because I will alert ever Navy, American Air Force, U.S. Army...the list goes on and on...I DARE you to go against OUR COUNTRY, the USA!!!!Praise the Almighty God for OUR country...and if you do not like it, please, kindly, step aside for that airplane who is taking you back to your country....Thank you very much....Oh, and please do not come back into our country and going to the welfare office.....With PRIDE for MY COUNTRY, the UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!! Long live AMERICA!!!! JUST like you say VIVA MEXICO, well sorry Charlie, LONG LIVE AMERICA....................whether you like it or not!!!!

pamfila
pamfila

Oh, yes, when you are telling a whole entire class, who is studing American history, and you say that those poor people from Mexico are laboring in the 380 degrees??? C'mon, just like they found a way to come here illegally, they should work in that HOT sun; it is probable much easier than crossing that border, hiding, crying, stacked in those coyotes trucks like sardines to make it to America...then they had to pay the coyote!!! C'mon, give a decent explanation to our Judges in the courts....They broke the law to begin with, and will be your next criminal, why???? Why???? because to them, what they see of yours, they will take it so that they won't pay for it!!!!Catch the drift???? I am so happy that a tough student faced those students, defending Mexico, that the poor illegals are mistreated, that they pick our fruits and veggies in the HOT sun!!! How dare you!!!! They are robbing Americans who need jobs, the key???? They will not work for beans when they are not guaranteed disability, ssi when they get real old, no medical/dental insurance?????We wonder who is keeping all that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

pamfila
pamfila

Please stop posting your hurting complaints and attempting to win the bleeding hearts!!! You know that YOU broke the law, and are among Americans who break the law when they fail fo stop at a red light...c'mon grow up, face it YOU broke USA laws to begin with...we have our own gigantic problems!!!! I hope you are happy!!!!

pamfila
pamfila

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... This our idol of America, Elvis Presley, singing to the USA. Yes, we are at this moment facing opposition towards our country, but this country will neva, neva, neva, go down. Thank you very much. Just listen to our idol, Elvis...He sings it like it is....

pamfila
pamfila

Our law enforcement are #1!!! Many have fought abroad to defend the USA!!! Tears, tears, tears...have you seen when a big jet is ready to take our soldiers, i.e. from Forthood, Texas, when our troops are going to the unknown???? C'mon, this is very serious business, because they are going to the unknown to fight for our country, the USA...Parents are left behind crying for their loved ones; yes, it is very scary to the extent that we are afraid to answer our front doors!!!! We know that this is serious business for our country, and that we might see our child again........Yet, illegal aliens have more rights than Americans....

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, another thing, where I live , just to provide for my two little doggies, five little cockatiels, the neighbor in front, from Mexico, is raising chickens. Just think please, take a moment and think....every certain day (because I do not want to make a mistake) a van, which indicates emergency services parks in front of where I have to leave, brings out a little lady who claims to our government that she has dialysis, takes her somewhere....but the rest of the time, while her husband is working for some top farmer in Le Grand, CA, bringing approximately $300++++ Are they reporting this to the government???? She is from Oxahuaca, Mexico....they are raising chickens and roosters back here where I live....Are they into some type of cock fighting; today I could see them showing the chicken coup to someone .....you take it from there...

pamfila
pamfila

Yeah, try calling the immigration office, fraud division, Fresno, CA, what we have experienced, a Hispanic because his voice sounds like it...when we have called through an American Hispanic, it is always a he...sorry, he sounds angry because he thinks we are against his people....sorry, that is how we feel because we are human beings who have feelings. we hurt...we hurt because we cannot turn to someone who is going to hear our story...we, Americans, have worked hard, studied in order to earn some kind of degree, we also obey American laws...etc....but everytime, we wee an illegal alien who came in through the cracks is always first to see the doctor....through Medical....tears

pamfila
pamfila

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Yes! yes! yes! A special dedication to an American Governor who is very special to many of us, yes, the present Governor of the state of Arizona...we appreciate you!!!! Thank you for having the willpower and strength in defending our United States of America!!!!! Please hear Ray Charles as he sings America the Beautiful...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghz4_k... We who have been born and taught the values of this powerful country are not only willing to die for it; we are willing to support those in power to stand strong for this very powerful nation..God bless you...

pamfila
pamfila

I have faith in our beautiful America, our forefathers, our President, Congress, and Justice systems because we do have to protect our country, United States of America. Just as you protect your home against mice, roaches, et.... (No, I am not comparing people with these little creatures; yes, they are here illegally and in violation of American statutes)...I am saying that just as we all protect our homes from those illegal little creatures....the Unitied States of America is our only home. Likewise, we have to protect it against illegal invaders, harmful creatures....You take it from there. Our United States of America is a home to us...just like a house. We want it to be clean, without roaches and illegal activity...so that we can live in peace and be happy. I feel that others from other countries bring their customs here, i.e. practices that do not meet up to clean environments as dicatated by the health and safety codes....I guess what I am trying to say is that America does care about other countries, it just does not accept breaking the laws....those laws that the people voted for....

William
William

While I feel for her and her situation, the fact remains. She is using the AMERICAN welfare system to finance this. A system already severely in financial trouble to those who are here legally and even contributed to the system for many years (Medicare). The cost of the drugs and procedure itself is astounding. Are we to welcome every illegal immigrant into our country to pay for their care? The system has difficulty enough supporting those that are on it legally much less trying to keep up with the 11 million illegal immigrants we have in this country.

Mary
Mary

Everyone knows of someone with a story like that - illegal immigrant or not. Let's not forget all of the horrible stories we hear everyday about what illegal aliens are doing. How about the 2 AZ border patrolmen that were recently ambushed and killed by illegal border crossers - what about their families and kids? Or the AZ farmer killed earlier this year, for 60 years he has been helping border crossers only to be killed viciously by them. Or a really sick one, the Michigan baby that was kidnapped while the parents were on vacation in Mexico only to have the body found still in the same clothing, but it had been cut open,stuffed with drugs and closed back up. Let's not forget AZ is the kidnapping capital of the US only because illegal border crossers are called kidnapping victims when they are found in drop houses owned by coyotes. I could go on and on. We must take back America. Unfortunately, it's too late for CA!

K C Sue
K C Sue

When are some people going to understand the meaning if "illeagl"? Yes, I feel bad for her and her situation, however, she has been in OUR hospitals how long? And who is paying for this prolonged stay and medical treatment??????? WE ARE! But since I was born and raised here, worked from the time I was 10 years old, paid my taxes every year, raised my family and made sure we all had medical insurance - even when I had to work 2 jobs to pay for it, saved for my old age, but if I lost my insurance, had a major medical problem, I would not qualify for assistance because I have saved, own a home, and worked all my life. Sure I might get treatment, but you can bet your a** I would be expected to pay for everything or use any savings I might have even though I am too old to ever be able to rebuild for my retirement years. So tell me......who is going to pay for all her medical treatment?????As for her daughter being a citizen...in my book, just because your illegal parent decides to get pregnant and have a baby in the US does not make that child a CITIZEN.

Jake
Jake

There is such a thing as compassion you know. How would we feel if we were in that same situation? Immigrants do contribute to the economy, they pay sales tax anytime they buys something and have taxes deducted form their paychecks for services they will never get to use since they are not citizens. It would be best to offer them a pathway to citizenship, like Obama proposed, which would include a fine, learning English and taking citizenship classes. If people are so worried about costs and things of that nature then why not start taxing the wealthy, greedy white people that pay a miniscule percentage compared to the middle and lower classes that, as usual have to shoulder the burden. I also hate to say this but people are against reform since the majority of immigrants are non-European and let’s face it, in general White people only feel comfortable with their own. They don't like the fact that their majority status is slowly shrinking since there is safety in numbers to the extent they can build networks of associates to help block people they feel are inferior to them from achieving better lives. They just won't admit to it since keeping up the appearance of the dutiful open-minded Caucasian means more o them than owning up to their motives! They also keep correlating crime with all Mexican immigrants and all Hispanics in general regardless of legal status or country of origin. What’s resulted is in all Hispanics being vilified and labeled public enemy number 1. Also, NOT all Hispanics are Mexican, illegal immigrants or bad people. Many racists are just exploiting this issue and trying to instill a sense of fear in others thereby creating a hostile environment that could linger forever. It would be a better idea to really stop and look at yourself and figure out just what it is that bothers you about immigrants, immigration and Hispanics in particular instead of lumping people together and making sweeping statements. I’d advise them to be careful since if in the future they find themselves in a life or death situation where they need help don’t expect an immigrant or a Mexican or a Hispanic to help you since they’ve been made to feel that they are less than human and will never be equal. Plus, you never know who may one day become your brother-in-law, sister-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, best friend, neighbor, boss, co-worker, boyfriend, girlfriend, lover, etc. Think about it.

tiredofallthecrap
tiredofallthecrap

Legal immigrants must go through extensive health checks. I know because my wife is a LEGAL immigrant, and I am her sponsor. I had to prove that I could financially support her, so she wouldn't be a drain on the social services system when she got here. She had to have a complete physical given by a U.S. immigration doctor including TB x-ray of her chest, test for HIV, check of heart, etc. She also had to get a "certificate of good conduct" (no fooling - that's what they actually call it in her home country) from the local police to certify that she was not wanted for anything and was not just leaving her home country to evade authorities. Yes, folks - that's how and why LEGAL IMMIGRATION works. You circumvent that, and you have all sorts of heartache and problems. Yes, this woman's story is sad, but how many people already here legally or have always lived here will not be able to get a heart transplant because they cannot afford it. This is not an issue of racism or hatred, it's doing what's right, both on an individual level and for our society as a whole.

Mcnaughten
Mcnaughten

I still believe wholeheartedly that if America follows the same immigration system that was implemented here in Canada right in the beginning of the '90's it'll succeed.There are more than 12.000.000.00 illegal immigrants living in the United States according to the statistics.That's just a little over New York City's population.Now, I ask you:how can you deport more than twelve million people without costing the government any money?.How can you deport the entire population of New York City?.That'd be a terrible financial stress for any country.I'd suggest let the illegal immigrants who have no criminal records and can speak English fluently stay whilst the ones who are murderers,robbers,gangsters etc.get kicked out of the country for good.Re-enforce the border with Mexico and let those in America illegally stay on humanitarian grounds just like we did here in Canada years ago.Nonetheless,whichever way America decides to go about with this immigration case,rest assured that such thing will never bring America down.Mexico will never take over America.To believe in that is just like believing in a myth.There's actually a great superpower rising up on the horizon now(which nobody suspects a thing)that'll bring America down in the years ahead.Unfortunately,the United States will fall down and when it does,not even illegal immigrants will want to go there anymore.Events happening right now are already paving the way for America to fall down and when that happens,illegal immigration will be the last thing for the United States to worry about.

akilgore70888
akilgore70888

i feel bad for the lady and her family. i really do, but the law is the law. i wouldn't expect me to treated any different if i were to go to another country illegally. many of them don't just give you a taxi ride home like the u.s. they put you in a hole for years and forget about you until it is convenient for them to deal with you. she needs to apply for citizenship and learn English. seems like she fits all the other requirements to become a u.s. citizen. having an american husband and daughter will only help her too. my belief is if you wanna be here. do it the right way. get a visa or become a citizen. it is the law. how fair would it be for all these people to get everything for doing nothing. they have it a lot easier. remember Ellis island people. that is where my ancestors had to sit for 6 months minimum.

changa
changa

Stop blaming hardworking immigrants for the problems Bush and his Wall street buddies created. Blame the industries that took their businesses to other countries for slave labor. Wake up and stop being part of a mindless herd blaming poor immigrants who for the most part make a positive contribution.

Sickofthisstuff
Sickofthisstuff

Cry me a river. If you came over legally she wouldn't have this problem. Tell me what country in the world allows people to come into their country and not deported when found....NONE! Open your eyes people.

Damori74
Damori74

for all of you people that have no feelings let me tell you something "you have a heart but is empty with all that hate that you all posses inside" whats wrong with humanity where is the love?

Spiderms13
Spiderms13

all fun till that happens to us God wants you to never go through something like that or maybe if they would just pass sorry forgot u guys dont believe in shit but yours

Icanhelp
Icanhelp

The past is the past! Ilegal is illegal! Show me a place on the planet where people have not come into an area and taken it from the animals or people that lived there before them. Making excuses for people that are commiting crimes by invading another country because they are unwilling to fix the country they live in is not a reason to be here or any other country for that matter.

I read uneducated people's comments all the time preaching destruction of the country we live in, the country so many people want to escape to, and wonder where do they want to live? Do they want to go to one of the other countries in the world and change the conditions there to better ones, make the other country a place people will want to go to? No they just want to tell people who have worked hard to make this a wonderful place to live how horrible we all are and then just sit on their ass and do nothing.

If the people that think enforcing our laws is so unjust, go to another country that is more just in how they enforce their laws and make it even better than it is now! Go to Guatamala and make it peaceful, more wealthy, do not rip down our coutry to further the lies of people too lazy to fix the places people want to flee from. Go stand in front of the United Nations and tell them to make all of the countries where people are fleeing from better. See how far that gets you!

Enforce the immigration laws we have now, they are very good if enforced. Seal our borders and have people come into the country the proper way, in an orderly manner. Quit encouraging criminal behavior of the illegals, the employers of illegals, and both our government and the government of the country people feel they need to flee from.

lyn233
lyn233

Which American has to go without a hart so she can get hers? The one who was born here, worked hard all his live and paid his taxes, or the one who is so poor he can't pay his bill, so gets shoved to the back of the line. Giving extreme aid to illegals is such a common event in this country, its pathetic this author thinks she has to write about it.

justme4
justme4

Everyone makes choices....for their own reasons. I would hope that if one of my children needed some kind of donor in order to live, someone would be willing to give of themselves to do that....and yes, it's the ultimate sacrifice. I am a legal, born and raised here, citizen, I have served in the military and all that, but really when it comes to saving a life, when possible, is it really THAT big of a deal who gets what? I'm not saying that laws shouldn't be there to protect people from the kind of immigrants that come across our borders for the purpose of crime, but I guess I see compassion as something that is just given with no expectations, no borders or with strings attached. And by that I mean from government as well. I could get into a whole discussion on how I think we are governed wayyyyyyy too much, almost to the point of taking some of the very freedoms we enjoy away from us, but that is not the point here. And no, I don't think every person who is poor and needy needs to come to the USA and start over. Many people choose not to come here for reasons that make perfect sense to them, and I'm happy about that too. Some countries could learn from other countries how to take care of themselves without ever having to leave their country to begin with, but some countries because of their governments, can't or won't do that. Some countries just think that the USA will bail them out and they don't have to do anything, and that was the wrong thing for us to have done over the years. Like I said, I didn't comment to change the world as I'm not the one that has all the answers for that, but I would hope that the value of human life wouldn't have a border or a race card attached to it. There is a difference between helping someone and being taken advantage of, and there are many people here, natural born US citizens, who take advantage of situations. David Crosby chose to drink and do drugs, and yet got put on the list for a liver transplant..and got one...and then started drinking again.....he's supposedly in the 'know' since all celebrities know everything, just ask them, so he of all people should know that drugs and smoking and drinking destroy the liver, yet heaven forbid he should die because of the overdosing of all of those because after all, he's an American citizen, cough cough icon cough cough, who needs help. Where does one draw a line? Fame and money mean help? Lack of status and no money means a death sentence? Who decides? What agency does that? Who are the life saving gods who decide who lives and who dies and at what expense and at what sacrifice? What other countries do this and we think of them as heartless people? Rhetorical questions....just for thought, I don't need a list of federal laws and mandates and all that for the answers, again LETTER of the law vs spirit of the law, in the appropriate places and times. There ARE many US citizens waiting for hearts, lungs, livers, eyes and many other organs and if there was a match for me, or my family, yet it was someone who was from a foreign country and not a citizen of the US, I would hope that their friends and family wouldn't say....oh, let them die, they're not one of us..pffft......sounds sort of high school, you know, they're not in the 'IN' crowd.

Doodoo
Doodoo

she messed up. many us citizens are waiting for hearts. why should she think, or the drs. that she was special?

Juan
Juan

@ihatelibtards noticed how u said "that's the side you need to focus on" YOU fall into that VERMIN category because you are only focusing on your side, one side (in other words,your convenience) and not on both sides.. I'm always hearing how illegals take away taxpayer money.. so ask yourself this, what happens to all the money of MILLIONS of ILLEGAL workers go to?? they get taxes deducted as we do, they go do their taxes as we do, they shop, buy, donate, and help our local economies.. so tell me, how is it a burden on our shoulders, when they are doing what we do to survive, not all but the majority, think about it if an illegal can come and get medicare for free, than i can too n so could you, but we choose not to because its "GHETTO" "LOW" "NOT 4 ME" or simply because we can afford it, so don't be Hypocrite about them using it when you choose not to.. just like they take the jobs that Americans don't want. somebody has to. not only that they do it we lousy pay, lousy conditions, lousy work, NO BENEFITS pretty much being a slave but getting paid for it.. don't you remember that Americans themselves MIGRATED, KILLED, STOLE, FOUGHT, BOUGHT, WORKED and LIED to become what we have become today..

amar
amar

I know a billion people in India who are poor and need a better life. Does this author suggest we let them all come into the US.

justme4
justme4

Well Luke....guess you should have slowed down yourself. Only because I see human need before immigration needs, I will point out your errors in your spelling, since you are concerned about other people's grammar and punctuation. You say; "Human suffering is always sad, we all going to go through it in one way or another"....wouldn't that be... we ARE all going to go through it...? There is also "Her family history is hart failure and cancer"....I always thought that was spelled HEART....who knew? Then there is the best one at the end where you contradict yourself....."Until you fully understand the situation and know what you are talking about, you are not unqualified to accurately judge on any of these peoples views or intelligence" Unqualified? Really? (thinking that you really meant QUALIFIED....but maybe that was an on purpose slip up....who knows?)

I actually hate that people get more concerned about pointing out other peoples mistakes as opposed to seeing what the article is really about. It's like they want to point out others failures and not focus on what it is that the discussion is all about, thus my pointing this out....silly really.

Fact of the matter is, we DO have immigration issues, and it's a double edged sword. We as American's don't want them here illegally, yet we don't want to do the jobs that these people do for us every day. How many American's would at the drop of a hat, leave their family at night and walk miles to do a job for less than minimum wage because if they don't, they may never work again? I'd estimate that that would be less than 1% of our population. It's like the article points out, we can harvest their organs, yet not give them one when they need it. There are bad seeds in every country, state, province, city, community, family....but that does not mean the entire population of those people as a whole are bad. Yes, we need to stop immigration of those who's main purpose is crime, but we need to remember that our country was founded on the principle of being able to come here to prosper and be free. That does not mean that they are entitled to a free ride, or that every one else suffers so they can prosper, but it should mean that they can start new and make a decent life for themselves, as our forefathers did, and as many of us still try to do today. I don't profess to have all the answers, and some may find what I say totally way off base, and that's ok. I think when we strive to help and give and show compassion....ultimately it is returned to us in ways we don't expect or look for. That may be naive, but I didn't submit a comment to solve the worlds problem, just to say that discussing the issues as opposed to finding fault with everything that is said, written or spelled detracts from the discussion and really getting the issues solved. Sort of like the BP oil spill, and boats have to sit there waiting for days so they can get a permit to clean up instead of spending those days working while the permits are taken care of. Too many people are caught up in the LETTER of the law and complain about everything, and then when nothing gets done, they complain about that as well. Stupid. Changes the direction of discussion. Waste of time and money and efforts. Doesn't even matter about the subject. Oh and as for the last comment on being qualified or unqualified....sometimes the best answers and solutions come from someone who isn't so embroiled in the mess to begin with, as they see with new eyes, new vision and new ideas that somehow seem to work. Everyone is entitled to give their opinion.

Steven
Steven

@pamfila: IMHO, Kennedy was one of the best presidents we'd ever had.

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, we do have many, many, many, especially here in Le Grand CA....their husbands work those fields and will state under the hot sun....They bring home approximimately $300+ weekly while their wife, or lover,(yes, sometimes, American citizen) collects welfare assistance $$$$ and food stamps, state to the social workers that they do not know who the father is, do not know the whereabouts, the lies go on and on.... Yet, Americans, true Americans go without....The illegals know how to manipulate the system, provide illegal ssi #s and stolen birth certificates, etc.... We are still hoping and wishing for that day when our pictures and thumb prints are required on those ssi cards....

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, they pay sales tax, blah, blah, like we all have to, BUT, no YOU wait because I have the floor, let me tell you something since you opened up the door! Illegals are known to borrow SSI#s, (yes, social security numbers, are you one of them?) from Americans and illegals who somehow got in through the cracks and all of a sudden became American citizens, guess what???? They will lend their ssi #s while the illegal works during the seasonal job earning beans, BUT guess what???? When income tax time comes, those illegals cannot file for refunds because now, NOW, it is the ssi # lender's time to collect that supposedly big chunk of income tax refund?????? Catch my drift???? So I would be very careful in what you are stating because our government can, yes I said CAN investigate every tooth and nail you have in your body! Please, please do NOT mess with our beautiful country, the United States of America.... We are nothing to play with!!!!! If you do not appreciate this wonderful and beautiful country, the USA, get out....thank you very much.

pamfila
pamfila

Look!!! Read your story again...because you are not making any sense!!!! Our Country, the United States of America, yes, the United States of America!!! This country has been taken to be a fool...but guess what!!!! It will NEVA be taken as a fool...i.e.!!! our American soldiers are fighting hard for this country; I dare you to go out to those America-Haters and fight for this country with sleepless hours waiting for the enemy, WITH HUNGER throughout your entire body, possible eating some crawling rat just to survive!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ILLEGALS BROKE the LAW, AMERICAN LAW!!! There are avenues provided by our USA to assist in coming here L-E-G-A-L-L-Y, just in case you cannot spell the word "Legally." If the federal government conducted an intense investigation for every penny spent on an illegal woman, with children, begging for government $$$$ at all county welfare offices....now just a minute!!! I have the floor, while their husbands are bringing home weekly$$$$300.+++ aside from illegal activity....c'mon, be REAL!!!!Yes, I hope you have your statistics correct because us, us who defend this country and our U.S. Constitution, can prove that illegals are all around us begging while the illegal men bring home $300+++++ every week, why??? because when they get OLD, their bosses will not have to give them pensions, disability.....Our American men will NOT stand for those beans (frijoles)!!!

Mary
Mary

You have a lot to learn. I have given you some answers.

How would we feel if we were in that same situation? many,many people have been in the same situation and have gone the legal way!

Immigrants do contribute to the economy, they pay sales tax anytime they buys something and have taxes deducted form their paychecks for services they will never get to use since they are not citizens. they use these services all the time - they put a huge burden on schools, police and fire. they only pay employment taxes about half of the time. the other 1/2 work under the table. a large % of their money goes home to family members and is never spent in this Country.

It would be best to offer them a pathway to citizenship, like Obama proposed, which would include a fine, learning English and taking citizenship classes. we alrady offer these things!!! at the most recent citizenship ceremony in AZ theri were only 10 new citizens! obviously they dont care!

If people are so worried about costs and things of that nature then why not start taxing the wealthy, greedy white people that pay a miniscule percentage compared to the middle and lower classes that, as usual have to shoulder the burden. ok - i agree here, but this is just not the illegal immigrants - it's all lower calsses.

I also hate to say this but people are against reform since the majority of immigrants are non-European and let’s face it, in general White people only feel comfortable with their own. They don't like the fact that their majority status is slowly shrinking since there is safety in numbers to the extent they can build networks of associates to help block people they feel are inferior to them from achieving better lives. They just won't admit to it since keeping up the appearance of the dutiful open-minded Caucasian means more o them than owning up to their motives! this is just plain stupid and obviously you are very racist!

They also keep correlating crime with all Mexican immigrants and all Hispanics in general regardless of legal status or country of origin. we are not correlating crime with Mexicans it's the truth in AZ. I see and hear it every day. We are the kidnapping capital of the US only due to the fact that border corssers - from Mexico!are held for ransom and found in drop houses every day.

What’s resulted is in all Hispanics being vilified and labeled public enemy number 1. Also, NOT all Hispanics are Mexican, illegal immigrants or bad people. Many racists are just exploiting this issue and trying to instill a sense of fear in others thereby creating a hostile environment that could linger forever. It would be a better idea to really stop and look at yourself and figure out just what it is that bothers you about immigrants, immigration and Hispanics in particular instead of lumping people together and making sweeping statements. I’d advise them to be careful since if in the future they find themselves in a life or death situation where they need help don’t expect an immigrant or a Mexican or a Hispanic to help you since they’ve been made to feel that they are less than human and will never be equal. Plus, you never know who may one day become your brother-in-law, sister-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, best friend, neighbor, boss, co-worker, boyfriend, girlfriend, lover, etc. Think about it. again it sound like you are the racist pig!!!

pamfila
pamfila

Yes, I hope that the law becomes stronger, why??? Because I had neighbors who smuggled her kids (high school and junior high school age), also her husband (who is still here in Le Grand, CA) through a coyote!!!!! One day, upon arriving she came to me to go to the highschool because some gangsters had knocked her highschooler's glasses and beat him. She wanted me to accompany her to inform the highschool. Testing her kid, I said, "Let's go!" Then her kid got scared and refused. Why??? Next day, she wanted a ride to the clinic; yes, she got new glasses for him. (Him, illegal) She had those little plastic cards (maybe with a phony ssi #???) Tip: When you call immigration, you will be speaking to a Hispanic who does not really care. Why??? Because they are only there for their paycheck, do not want to be involved, and supposedly are needed because they are bilingual...Thank you very much.

Icanhelp
Icanhelp

People talk about how hard it would be to deport 12 million people. Not one person can back that up! It would not be that hard, as once we started moving them out of the country to where they came from, most of the others would bug out before they were caught.

And just which unknown super power are you talking about. Come on state some facts unstead of the crap you are posting.

Gayle
Gayle

I agree with Akilgore70888. Get in line and do the right thing. And besides, who is going to pay for this costly medical procedure? We cannot afford it, PERIOD.

Jalo
Jalo

Let us all give more taxes to support the illegals.

sickofthisstuff
sickofthisstuff

Has nothing to do with hate, has everything to do with whats right. We have an economic crisis because of the give-away bs for all these people...Screw love for criminals!

Jodylholt
Jodylholt

What part of illegal are you not understanding? If someone is here illegaly, they aren't paying taxes. Last I knew you needed verification at H n R Block! They get paid under the table with no taxes being taken. When an illegal goes to the hospital with no insurance, who the hell do you think pays the hospital bill? Not the illegal, no it's left to legal tax payers to pay that bill! So don't down the people who are proud of what they have worked for and paid taxes for. Why don't you have your identity and social security number stolen and used for an illegal (because he/she is to lazy to do what is needed to do it legal) then maybe there will be some merit to what you say. Until then shut the hell up!!!

Bruce
Bruce

Juan, I live in California, and know lots of illegals. Most work under the table and do not pay taxes. And they send a good portion of their wages to Mexico. And, they use up tons of resources, free healthcare, free education, welfare, etc. They are a drain to our economy, not a boon to it.

Even if they DID pay taxes, the little that they pay in versus the amount they draw out in social services is still a net loss. The only one who wins is the illegal immigrants, and the greedy employers. But that is going to change. Americans are sick and tired of paying for illegals free social services.

Ub70
Ub70

If illegals get taxes deducted from their check, and pay FEDERAL taxes, it's because they are using a STOLEN SS card. Mexicans bragging about paying taxes, better think again. If illegals pay social security taxes, they lied to an employer and are taking jobs away from legal Americans. You think thats not a burden? Illegals pay SALES taxes, like every 2 year old who pays for candy or something cute. Illegals may donate to their church, or each other, but, mostly we are donating to them at Missions, in food lines, food give aways that used to be for American poor and elderly but are now over powered by tons of Mexican illegals, to name a few. (I'm not talking Legals and they know it). At Christmas, when charities are giving out free toys, it's always Mexicans illegals grabbing them up or benefiting, because we have to supply their children. Don't bother to cry about all the lowly jobs illegals "have" to do. If they don't like it, stay home. Those jobs are what we used to do until Mexians came pouring across the border with their green cards. By the way I have nothing against green cards, just use them. Yes, Americans, as you illegals like to use as an excuse for being here, did migrate here and gave their money, lives and acts of fairness to make this a country every brown skinned person is racing to get into. There was a whole TV program pointing out all the Brown people coming in, so it's not me being racist. Our forefathers killed got killed, as does any waring nation, stole?maybe some crooks did, just like illegals. They didn't have the high-powered assault weapons used by gangs and drug cartels coming here. They fought, bought, worked and LIED part of your post...lied is what Obama, and the La Raza leader does by thinking up excuses for illegals being her, so they can use them for their own greed and fame. I see you are a Mexican and have gotten your education in our country. Did you get free breakfasts and lunches? Do your parents have papers or are they waiting for amnesty (free of course). Did we have to hire extra spanish speaking teachers for your classes, extra teachers, tutors? I bet your parents used food stamps, or medical aid because you kids needed help. I bet if you are legal, you are an anchor. At any rate, your excuses are the same stretch used by people who know they are doing wrong.

Doodoo
Doodoo

they send our dollars to foreign countries. they have NOT earned the right to what my parents and grandparents built. no matter what vyour opinion

PJBpansonic
PJBpansonic

News flash: Before Columbus discovered America here were no Latinos here. Latino means speaking a latin based language like Spanish, French, Italian,etc. At least when the Dutch and English settled here they tried to co-exist with the Natives. There was a conflict of interests and war broke out. However, the Spanish "Conquistadors" came with one mission in mind: To kill, rape and rob. That's why Mexicans hate Cortez and changed the Sea of Cortez to the Gulf of California. So get over yourSELF there is plenty of blame to go around.

Juan
Juan

you must be famous then

Sam
Sam

Wah Wah. Tired of working so hard to keep Undocumented Democrats on the government teet.

Juan
Juan

just4me u said ".sometimes the best answers and solutions come from someone who isn't so embroiled in the mess to begin with, as they see with new eyes, new vision and new ideas that somehow seem to work." exactly what I am trying to point out.. u need that NEUTRAL point of view to get a TRUE Answer to whatever the problem may be, because then you get the solution for both sides

Becca291
Becca291

Federal propaganda that Americans will not do any job to earn a living..So taxpayers took care of her siblings too..Cancer treatment is expensive..Medicaid patients get beter treatment at no cost versus the working poor in this country..Fact. Personally..This is why I removed myself from the organ donor program..They want to abuse the program by giving to illgals I'm out..They can be apathetic if they choose to be..I am not..I would prefer to keep an (American citizen) eldery person alive with a donation but the elderly and smokers are subject to coming in last for a donation. So I am no longer an organ donor..

pamfilaPobox348
pamfilaPobox348

No!!! You are the one to learn...please go to college, struggling to make ends meet and survive....c'mon!!! Illegals, they live all around me (I know I will be leaving them soon - on my own terms) Illegals do NOT have respect for our law enforcement, students who have to prepare and face exams for various classes, why???why???? because the illegals want everybody to listen to their music from Mexico, LOUD, LOUD, LOUD and BLASTING!!!! When nicely, I said NICELY, tell them that you have to study, they will turn on you and tell you that it is ok until night time....EXCUSE ME???? I respond that we can take a trip to the Law Library where the codes, ordinances, etc...all stipulate that you CANNOT interrupt your neighbors' peace...this includes DAY or NIGHT!!!!! I can explain that very simple: You can play any music of your taste so that YOU can ONLY hear it. Otherwise, you are disturbing the peace of others. I am sorry, but I happen to dislike music from Mexico; my taste is Disco music from the 70/80s - which makes me feel like dancing, catch my drift???? When I play my music I play it so that I can hear it, not my neighbors, etc.... I do happen to respect other people's privacy because statutory law clearly states!!!!! Or do we have to call our law enforcement to come and hear it for themselves and tell those people to lower their volume and respect others?????

pamfilaPobox348
pamfilaPobox348

1. Also, NOT all Hispanics are Mexican, illegal immigrants or bad people. Many racists are just exploiting this issue and trying to instill a sense of fear in others thereby creating a hostile environment that could linger forever. - To this, you do get an "F" in my book, why???? "The only truth you say, NOT all Hispanics are Mexican" That is the only truth you have to offer??? Americans (Hispanics) have been hated, robbed, mistreated, etc.... by illegals from Mexico!!!!! They are jealous of American born since, I believe, the 1950s children; they hate us because we grew up in our America, studied, struggled through college.....just not too long ago, I counted 3 illegals (I was watching their hands) stealing my bananas, mp3s, pens for school, flashlights, etcc...catch my drift????? I paid for all this with my OWN $$$$$, which has to be substracted from my budget!!!!!!!! I have to live also!!!!!!! They work, illegally, but they work those fields, and jealousy drives them to steal, or are we getting the rejects??? from you know where?????lalala land????? Minor????? NO!!!! You do NOT steal...The Dollar Store: you can but each one of these things for $1, $1, $1,$1....C'mon!!!!!! Thou shalt NOT steal!!!! Yes, I am angry because these illegals never asked me for the stolen item; they found it real easy to just put it in their little jacket pocket!!!!! Have you done the same thing????????????? Does this ring a bell?????????????????// This is why Americans are angry and say "Enough is enough!!!!!"

Hect5620
Hect5620

yea good mexican people work hard in the fils pikn tomatoes in this land that is just rented and you have not pay rent yet. mexican is poor people humble beter than you that everithing you have is estoled from atakin other countries killin indians slaven people we not afraid of you fouls that worship weapon and your ownselfs you afraid of mexicans.pay day is camin what goes aroun cames around.is what you said i do not genaralise like some stuped fouls do you ful of pride arrogant you think you are GOD.but i know you afraid and you goin down!!!!

Hct5620
Hct5620

foreingers came and made laws the favor the rich who make mexicans imposible to legalise yea but givem false promises so they wash teir cars and dishes care the elder and all cains of hard work ido not genaralise amited you people hate mexcan and wana make us miserable most people came here loking for good jobs but mexicans work the fils low payn josb and we not stuped we know you hate so much so we humble wath goes around cames around do not fear poor humble mexcans you gona give acount to sombody gretaer then you que beletin and stepin olover mexican people

Juanita
Juanita

Learn English and go back to Mexico.

 
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