Black Cactus Records Is Serious

The Black Cactus Records gang is fed up. They're annoyed by the brash young hotheads who fancy themselves rock stars. They hate the dudes given to asinine behavior on stage and off. They're done with excessive drinking and drug use. They've had enough of bands flaking out on gigs, showing up late, and having to bum an ax because they forgot to pack their gear. They're ready for something different.

The question: How is that gonna go over with everyone else?

Black Cactus Records is a collaborative, collective effort that includes musicians, sound guys, songwriters, and DJs who espouse a common work ethic. They wanted to form a cooperative record label because, they say, the rest of the music community doesn't take its job seriously enough.

Black Cactus Records: "Professionalism" is their byword.
Black Cactus Records
Black Cactus Records: "Professionalism" is their byword.

A little self-righteous? Maybe. But in a super-genuine way.

The Black Cactus clique includes Former Friends of Young Americans, Tremulants, The Necronauts, The Premiere, and Lisa Savidge. Their bond is not aesthetic: Musically, the bands sorta run the indie-rock gamut, from punk to shoegaze and back. Rather, it's about the bands' similarly disheartening experiences in the local scene.

They have the standard complaints, mostly trouble booking and promoting shows. But rather than bitch, they decided to pool their time, energy, and resources, hoping to help themselves and — just maybe — the Phoenix scene.

The Cacti are mostly Tony Robbins types — at least on the surface. There's a congenial, encouraging spirit to the collective, and they preach the gospel of positivism and mutual aid. (Also worth mentioning: Because Black Cactus operates as a quasi-socialist operation, the group is hesitant to say anything on the record without first formally voting on it — so please excuse the lack of direct quotes throughout this piece.)

In any "in" group worth its salt, there are also outsiders. In this case, that means popular Phoenix bands who don't meet their standards for professionalism. Acts that have canceled shows at the last minute, not followed their start and stop times, or come across as egotistical and entitled.

In other words: bands kinda like Hooves.

New Times readers may remember Hooves as the band who notoriously got kicked out of a charity bowling event (and were banned forever from the alley) for their drunken antics, which included (but were not limited to) throwing four balls down the lane at the same time and tossing a ball at the manager. Hooves have become notorious for such shenanigans, and fans (read: our staff) are endlessly entertained by both their music and their mischief.

But, hey, we're at a safe distance.

"Hooves are some of the worst people I've ever met," says Toby Fatzinger of Former Friends of Young Americans.

Fatzinger burns with rage as he recounts a story of the time the two bands played a show together in the tiny town of Cottonwood. Hooves, it seems, completely trashed a hotel room. Toby and company watched an elderly cleaning woman wiping away tears, wounded by the degrading task of cleaning up their mess.

That's not cool in the Black Cactus camp.

Another example of how the Cactus dudes act like anti-stars: They treat sound guys like human beings. Acknowledging that doing the D.I.Y. thing successfully requires unsung heroes, the collective counts sound engineer Jalipaz Nelson, owner of Audioconfusion, among its fully accredited members. Actually, Nelson not only records and masters Black Cactus material, but he writes press releases and printed material for the collective as well.

He's not the only one pitching in offstage. They've actually got, collectively, a skill set similar to what you'd need to run an actual label. Necronauts' frontman Billy Goodman is a graphic designer, David Jackman of The Premiere knows how to handle street promotion, and Nick Gortari of Lisa Savidge works as a software engineer by day, so he helps with websites.

Talking to the guys is like overdosing on earnestness. They seem to sincerely believe that everyone involved has something unique to contribute, and that the sum is greater than the parts. And it's all about the art.

"Starting a band to get rich is like joining the priesthood to get laid," says Dan Somers of Lisa Savidge.

Maybe the adjusted attitude comes from the fact that the dudes are a little older than the usual local band types. The Cactus clan varies in age, but skews toward "I was old enough to vividly remember watching Michael moonwalk for the first time." One of the members is a 27-year-old Iraq war veteran. Another — who would not reveal his age — is the live-in grounds keeper at a local Catholic church. He landed the job while he went to the church for support group meetings related to his drug addiction. (We didn't press further.)

So, yeah, you get the impression they've seen some shit. And that gives them empathy for, say, an old woman who discovers that running a hotel in her golden years is not quite as glamorous as it sounds.

Where do they go from here? This is where they seem so much like their less-professional peers. They, of course, have big plans and bigger dreams.

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Loosecannonsbluesband
Loosecannonsbluesband

I would love to be considered as a member of this Co-op. I've served as a volunteer for the board of Gentle Strength Food Cooperative for 20 + years, ran my band The Loose Cannons Blues Band since 1989, put on the annual Earth Day activities each year since then, have a business management degree and am employed.

Ptrack_Git
Ptrack_Git

Again, the show is TONIGHT, not Saturday, so why don't you come out to the Yucca Tap Room and see/here Black Cactus for yourself. Thanx again to the Phoenix New Times for the promotion...

Adam
Adam

I was at a party the other day and there was a bowl of chips on the table, and they weren't the greatest chips i've ever had, but i was talking to somebody across the chip bowl - we had a conversation across the chip bowl and it was a very nice one indeed. And I explained what Elk Cloner meant to me and what it should mean to, you know, the rest of the world and i was concentrating on putting my message across. Then i tripped on the table leg and I spilled the bowl of chips on the ground. Then there was a lady who was calling somebody else a retard, and I turned around I yelled back at them, and I said, "Well, that's not right. Just because you wanna mouth something like that doesn't give you the right to do it." And I think that's what Elk Cloner teaches.

Jamessofrito
Jamessofrito

And....the Necronauts are truly bad people but their music rules!!!!! Some bands are bad all around but I am sick of giving the douche bags any press!The proof is in the product.

Jamessofrito
Jamessofrito

New Times is not objective enough to be good critics of music. All you guys seem to care about is the loudest voices, you need someone on staff that knows something about the music scene so one month you aren't putting down the band that the month before you praised.The point is most bands you put in this smutty rag aren't worth a damn at all. You guys are way too influenced by volume and not substance.

fyi
fyi

Just to reiterate what 2 others have said already, in case folks don't want to read through the essays some people have written:The show is TONIGHT (7/23) not Saturday.

Marcoholt
Marcoholt

Christ! You too Hissong ?? Who the fuck reads any newspaper article and takes it seriously like it's a direct quote? Even if it is "supposedly" a direct quote? These "quotes" were taken out of 5 hours of conversations. Not limited to a three minute read so the sensationalistic ideas were what went in the article, period! The main jist of most of the conversations were we're trying to just make music and not create a fucking trail of wreckage on the world or ourselves or anyone else anymore, however some people's interpretation of the article made us look like that's exactly what we're trying to do! I did my first shows with Billy when I was in Loud Americans and they showed up and played well drunk or not that's not what this shit's about. We started BCR because most of these bands had been playing together for a year or two or ten and had proven themselves reliable and were capable of back-lining some gear without fear of it being destroyed and maybe setting up some out of town gigs and networking our strong points and talents. I actually explained to Sarah at the time of one of the interviews that we weren't about judging the Phoenix scene but trying to create a win-win situation and bring more to people out to live music again. In fact probably three hours of the interview were about that which was how Bob's name came up and the Gin Blossoms for that matter. And Jal was there saying all kinds of positive stuff as well.Whether you judge us on our music or this article or our personalities or our hair is your choice but please try to understand we really are hoping to play and record some music (which just like the Hooves or you or Bob Hoag) we feel is viable and pertinent to the world or at least ourselves, and aren't about creating any negativity. I've always considered Phoenix (or Tempe for myself)a great place to live and play music and love the scene here. All of it's aspects. I can honestly say that Black Cactus was begun because of that not because of any hatred or immaturity or negativity about the scene.

Mike_hissong
Mike_hissong

"For the record, I don't know any of the hooves guys and am not quite sure if I've ever actually met any of them. Hindsight being 20/20 I probably should have said they're some of the worst people I've never met. I play w/ guys who do know them and when we came back from Cottonwood a couple of the guys in my band were really disgusted to hear some of the hooves guys brag about destroying their hotel room and making the owner cry. That's the other thing, the new times article totally played it down, but it was a locally owned business in Cottonwood and the crying old lady wasn't the maid but the owner. What the fuck man?"You also failed to mention your label mates who also had a hand in this correct? New Times can only take some of the blame. Because you still said it.. It's a cop out and insult to the writer.As far as your guys fear of "producers" and professional engineers... What an insult to Jal, how is he not professional? And choosing to insult another engineer in town as opposed to talking about why you choose to work with Jal or whoever is ridiculous. And once again blaming that on the New Times is also BS you said it.Honestly I was very dissapointed after reading this article, it came off very pretenious and self righteous.

Daletshit
Daletshit

For the record the Necronauts still love to party and still get drunk and spill drinks. Now we are just friends with the bouncers. I love Black Cactus and i love debauchery. Im pretty sure I was 18 at that show you are talking about sundevilrick.

Toby
Toby

For the record, I don't know any of the hooves guys and am not quite sure if I've ever actually met any of them. Hindsight being 20/20 I probably should have said they're some of the worst people I've never met. I play w/ guys who do know them and when we came back from Cottonwood a couple of the guys in my band were really disgusted to hear some of the hooves guys brag about destroying their hotel room and making the owner cry. That's the other thing, the new times article totally played it down, but it was a locally owned business in Cottonwood and the crying old lady wasn't the maid but the owner. What the fuck man? Go destroy a motel 6. Why launch an assault on an independently owned, inexpensive hotel that provides a place to stay to touring bands? I got no problem w/ "antics", but this wasn't victimless.Enough of me being a self-righteous prick. I'll be the first to admit that I've done some pretty stupid shit when I'm drunk and it was probably out of turn for me to blast the character of guys I don't know based on shit they did when they were drunk. None of that shit was what this article was about though. The New Times wanted some shit talked so we would all talk about the shit. Fact is, there's a show tonight w/ some pretty good bands working hard together to put on a pretty good show. That's pretty much it. It's a collective and pretty much anyone can join. It's not an exclusive "we're better than you thing" and it really has very little to do w/ liking or disliking any other bands in Phoenix.It's a shame the New Times didn't care to print the numerous positive comments my label mates and I made about Phoenix and its music scene. The Necronauts, Coats and Villa, Wizards of Time, and most recently The Roar are some of my favorite bands, not just locally, but in the country right now. That's what is really important.

SundevilRick
SundevilRick

The funny thing is that the Necronauts used to be the band they are complaining about. I can recount many shows where they were all trashed, making absolute fools of themselves on and off stage, and being a collective pain in the ass. One show I remember at Mill Ave Beer Co/Rio Salado Beer Co. on Mill had the band stumbling through the crowd spilling drinks and barely being able to play the show at all. After they played they almost got into a fight with the security staff.

TempeGirl
TempeGirl

A group of bands and support/tech staff getting together who aren't drunks/tweekers and making music and being professional? Sounds good to me. I've seen most of the bands in BC and liked them, why are people bitching? Get a life, pompous asses. If you don't like the bands, stay home and try to impress some people online. Woo-hoo!

kh
kh

Strip away the BS and to me it looks like we finally have a group of bands willing to start a label and support each other. It sure beats the current fend-for-yourself free-for-fall. You may say "sure, it's a great idea, but it would be better if...", but who is going to do it? You?

Some AZ bands decide to get their shit together and actually work together towards a common goal and I say it's about damn time.

Ptrack_Git
Ptrack_Git

The show is FRIDAY the 23, and it's free, so come check it out and decide for yourself how correct the Phoenix New Times' portrayal of Black Cactus is.

:D
:D

fat zinger :D

Thepremieremusic
Thepremieremusic

Rich, thanks for the tip about "The Premiere" not showing up online and getting lost in this megalopolis museum that we call information superhighway... I've noticed that too. (Maybe that's why bands nowadays call themselves hipster indie names like "Daaa Young Soda Pony Circus Circuit" or screamo-fied names like "Her Last Dying Day Will Be Tragically Forever In Your Veins" and dont forget Nu-Metal Nicknames such as "80,000 Megawats Of Muscle" In some ways, good ol fashioned and unseachable and classic "The Premiere" is somehow refreshing. Although, this could be a phase Im in... Moreover, you've inspired us to possibly our band name. Cheers! Buy you a drink if you show up tomorrow? (:

Raymond Holtz Jr.
Raymond Holtz Jr.

This is lame, people upset over something so dumb. I think that is you really have such a reason to be mad about the article, it might be because there is some truth to it and that should be taken into consideration. I think all of the garbage written here is a great example of how the music scene is not working together and maybe why the music scene in phoenix is what it is. Everyone worrying about their image and someone talking shit, well welcome to earth, get off your high horse, get some talent, and then go from there, how can the music scene be untied with absurd posts in response to an article which has some things taken out of context. I am not a genius but I think whoever "Richard Waddell" is has some things to work out by himself and the rest of us should not get involved in this person's own drama. I typed "Richard Waddell" in a search engine and all I found were links and references to this article where there postings are, thats a great way to make a name, you make me so proud richard! Its interesting how such an article can cause such a stir, isn't that the point of this publication is to write article to inform and stimulate thinking? Hopefully we don't all have to censor ourselves and what we say before it is published, we should make sure it sounds good and makes everyone else happy, that way we can all be fake, and we can all pretend to be friends, that's such a great idea! I hope this article gets more feedback because it just makes so much sense for that to happen. Ha!

my take
my take

I liked the hooves the first couple times I saw them. Then it just seemed like they were playing the same song over and over again. As far as lazy goes, aren't they re-recording the same songs that they already released? I could be wrong about that, just a rumor I heard. I agree that Former Friends are pretty good but nothing too special and that the Necronauts are and have always been one of the best bands in town. I don't think the hooves are necessarily in the same league as either of those bands but that's just my take. If they're touring that's cool, but they may want to work on writing some new material.

Richard Waddell
Richard Waddell

I encourage everyone to listen to Lisa Savidge and then take that into consideration every time that you read an opinion piece by Martin Cizmar.

Explain to me how Jalipaz is different & tell me how many others you've worked with, and who & where they are.

Also, curious what your guys experience is with a record label. I'm going out on a limb here...you've never been on one have you.

and where can I find "the Premiere" on the web....I couldn't find it listen with the ten plus other bands with the same highly original name.

I've worked with Jalipaz, btw.

Phoenix New Times
Phoenix New Times

For the record *I* think both Hooves and Lisa Savidge are great bands... "99 Pills" and "Giggles" are two of my favorite songs from the two years I've been music editor.

Thepremieremusic
Thepremieremusic

oh, and no jalipaz is not a typical "professional" sound engineer (thank god) although he does it for a living, and no.. not even a rack mount turd polisher would help slicken up the fat raw dirty grungey sounds of lisa savidge.. and yes everyone who reads new times articles (including me) are trolls... and yeah, hooves are actually pretty tight

-david

p.s. the new times knows how to start shit haha

The Premiere
The Premiere

Hilarious debate guys, keep it coming...

In other New Times news... (under live reviews)

"Tokio Hotel: Are the Fans More Crazy Than the Band Is Lame? Or Vice-Versa?"

Pshh OMG Why do they always have to take stabs at my Tokio Boyzzz? new times is h8errzzzz

-David

Nick Gortari
Nick Gortari

I just wanted to say that my statement about Flying Blanket was taken out of context. I was referring to my own solo project, not Lisa Savidge. I have a lot of respect for Bob Hoag as a person and as a professional and Flying Blanket. While i was volunteer music director at Radio Phoenix I added tons of music recorded at Flying Blanket into rotation. A lot of my favorite local releases came out of that studio. I would also encourage anyone looking at recording in town consider Bob Hoag as one of their options. However, for my solo music, I don't think Flying Blanket would be the ideal place to record based on what I've heard come out of that studio.

Feel free to send me hate comments directly: twitter.com/NickGortari

Richard Waddell
Richard Waddell

So, we're all trolls now?"They will not be spending the money on professional recording — they also show some distrust for studios. Most professional producers and sound engineers try to put their own stamp on the sound, claims Lisa Savidge's Gortari."

So, Jalipaz is not a professional sound engineer?

You don't want anyone to put their stamp on Lisa Savidge, eh? Don't wanna mess up yer sound, eh, man? I actually wouldn't think Bob Hoag could do anything for you at Flying Blanket, at least not until he finally invests in a rack mount turd polisher.

I encourage everyone to listen to the bands these people are in and then ask yourself why they have troubles booking shows at anywhere that HAS an actual sound man for them to treat so professionally.

How humble of them not to act like anti-stars...maybe it's because, um...

It was mentioned in the article that you guys don't give any quotes without group approval...

Somehow I think that maybe from now on you should just have Billy & Jalipaz do the talking.

Dan
Dan

OK, so the first rule of the internet is "don't feed the trolls," but what the hell...

C'mon folks, is it any secret that the New Times likes to play up controversy as part of their format? They do it, and we all read it, so I don't think there is anything wrong with that; you just need to read the whole thing and use your head a little regarding the actual point. Anybody who thinks this is about one band that one person had one bad experience with one time is deluding themselves.

One other point worth correcting: No one's got a problem with Bob Hoag. That part is totally out of context. I totally love the Black Carl album he did, and I know Nick does too. Of course, that's not the only one - just an example. Furthermore, he's been very nice and professional on the occasions I've had to meet him.

It seems somewhat paradoxical to end up in a situation where you are getting simultaneously thrown under the bus for being "haters" while getting nothing but hate without much justification (I mean, jesus, earlier-poster-who-conveniently-forgot-to-include-any-contact-information, did I kill your dog or something?) - but I guess that's the internet for ya. If I have to explain it, then no explanation is possible.

Oh, Billy asked me to post this link, which I think accurately describes how seriously you should be taking the Hooves thing: http://theshizz.org/forum/inde...

hi how are you?
hi how are you?

Um, Hooves are one of the best bands in town. Any musician who would say otherwise doesn't know anything about Phoenix or its culture. Fact.

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Hooves (blues hammer) sucks, but these 'Black Cactus" turds suck even more.

Meatwrist
Meatwrist

Haters gonna hate.

These guys are a bunch of fags.

Richard Waddel
Richard Waddel

The reason that Lisa Savidge have problems promoting & getting gigs is because they are an awful, awful band. Former Friends are not awful, but they aren't anything special, though they are lovely people, mostly. the Necronauts are totally kick ass...

Yes, producers have an influence over the sound..brilliant observation...it's usually why they are chosen...I'm familiar with Hoag, and Jalipaz, I would say it's fair to say that Hoag is a little overbearing, BUT that's what he's paid for...and he seems to be getting paid. Isn't Jalipaz a professional sound engineer? I've certainly find him to be one, and a good one. Let's move onto laziness, have the Former Friends toured? I think the Hooves just got back from one....Oh, the Hooves...totally obnoxious, well, at least 2/3 of them...yes, they are a sloppy bunch of shits...oh, yeah, and they totally rock the fuck out & entertain the people...they're almost like...oh yeah! A ROCK AND ROLL BAND!!!! I guess one might've said that the Stooges & the New York Dolls & the Sex Pistols lacked professionalism as well. Oh, yeah, the Hooves e.p. is awesome...Mike Hissong recorded is at Catherine Vericolli's 513 Analog Studio in Tempe.

"If I had to live the rest of my life listening to only bands from one city, I could do it with Phoenix," Really? You could probably do it with Tucson, New York, London, Los Angeles, Seattle, and Boston, too....your point?

So, they're all for Phoenix? Then why bag on the Hooves (obviously some jealousy issues) and Bob Hoag? I have nothing to say bad about the Neconauts, they kick ass and they work HARD...

this comp is just another half-ass Phoenix failure put out by the nerds who just realize the reason that no one cares about their band is because THEY AREN'T THAT GOOD. Granted, taste is subjective. These people seem to be upset that their bands are more popular, why do they care? Just do your thing, if people like it, they do.

and I wouldn't exactly call the Gin Blossom a sacred cow.

lazy labels? have the ever met former resident Ben Collins, or River Jones? They're FAR from lazy...FAR.

Yes there are plenty of talented hard working bands ignored by labels...so? That doesn't mean they are GOOD, or marketable.

This comp CD is just another thing people are gonna listen to and go "Wow, Phoenix is lame."

If you want to put together a comp CD that makes us look good, then do it regardless of what douchebags you think the band is or what a pretentious control freak the producer is. Make it about good music. That's where these guys, as well-meaning and nice as they seem, missed the mark. The sad thing is this article points out that they really aren't even that nice.

Adam
Adam

Good article, but one minor misprint: The CD-release party is tomorrow night (Friday, July 23rd), not Saturday.

kelling
kelling

Hooves and George Moshington World Tour! Hide your daughters and bowling balls mother fuckers!!

Johnny
Johnny

Great article Sarah!

Jermiah Clarke
Jermiah Clarke

I want to hear the tapes! Let us hear the tapes! We all know, and interview is never done without some recording device. Maybe, your next shitty comp can be nothing but the interview. But, by that time, the hype will be over. You all will vanish back into the deep sea of jaded souls. { cue violin }

Mike_hissong
Mike_hissong

Hi Marco, long time no see.Alot of negative things were thrown out there. I'm not sure how else to interprate the article. It was extremely negative... For the most part it's funny but also sorta sad. I wish that the article would have focused on what you guys were doing and not how others suck.

Daletshit
Daletshit

I'm not exactly part of this label other than my band being on it but i in fact poured beer into the television and helped completely fuck up 2 rooms in that hotel. smile :)

Toby
Toby

Not looking to cop out at all man. That's why I took credit for what I said and tried to correct what the new times blatantly got wrong. Fact is we didn't write the article. No knock on Sarah though, I think she's a good writer w/ good intentions. I'm willing to bet her piece was hacked to death. No one at the table I sat at ever said they had a fear of producers or professional engineers. No one ever blasted flying blanket or any other prorfessionals in this town. Dan's comment about not taking a free ride at flying blanket was taken completely out of context. You can be the one person in town who chooses to believe that the new times are the good guys if you want, but these are facts. I totally take credit for what I said, but this article was skewed pure and simple. I totally think Jal got shorted on this piece. We sat at the table w/ him and went on and on about how much he cares for the music he works on. He's no less an artist than anyone who comes into his studio. You can act like I'm putting it all off on the new times but you weren't there for the two hours of positive talk and you're judging based on the 5 minutes of negative shit the new times chose to print. In all fairness, I'm sure no one was surprised by this. That's par for the course. By the way, even though I'm totally annoyed by you right now I think you did a wonderful job on the roar record.

Raymond Holtz Jr.
Raymond Holtz Jr.

I like what you said about Jalipaz, Lisa Savidge, and The Premiere. You made some interesting points about who there people are, where they are, and also if they have had any experience with a record label. So a great question for you would be, who are you? Where are you? Have you had any experience with a record label? And who have you worked with? I am sure that regardless of any of these simple questions, I am not sure you have much to answer. This may be because you are on here posting these things, and talking crap about everyone, because of course you are a huge producer with a giant record label, and are so famous and amazing that you have the luxury to say all of these things because you are so well off and pretentious, nice to meet you! Hopefully you can make us all as great as you some day and we can all learn from you and your amazing talent. Wow, we should all be so lucky!

Nick Gortari
Nick Gortari

Forgot to mention that I interviewed several bands who had recorded at Flying Blanket and didn't think that it sounded like the right environment for what I'm trying to do with my music. Sister Cities is an example of a band that recorded there that is available for download via podcast at http://radiophoenix.org. Anyone who has not heard my interviews with local bands that I spent hundreds of hours on at Radio Phoenix, should not be so ready to judge me. But, so it goes...

Erin
Erin

good joke!

Jermiah Clarke
Jermiah Clarke

Richard Waddel, you are my hero. Let the truth be told ...

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Are you actually comparing Hooves to the Stooges and NYD? You must have meant Kings of Leon.

Mike_hissong
Mike_hissong

The New Times is a free weekly rag. That's it, they are not evil nor good just a weekly. Can people be misquited yes but the whole theme of the article including quotes was awful and negative. If you dislike the New Times so much why did you do an interview with them? On a different note I wish I could take more credit for the Roar record, because it is the best thing that has come out in a long time.. but I only did some Overdubs on a couple songs and the accapella song.

Dick Wadd-hell
Dick Wadd-hell

I think it brings Jalipaz & the Necronauts down to surround themsleves with the other acts. It seems a lot of these local comps that come out are promoting bands who just can't get any attention on their own. My bottom line is that these guys from these bands that are frustrated by the lack of attention have to get real and look at themselves. They're just not that good. Yes, that's just MY opinion, right? The problem is it's NOT just my opinion...and I wouldn't have spoken up and been so critical had these guys not been such dweebs...I also encourage everyone to go see these bands tonight, I think it will be obvious why these bands can't get "real" shows...Again...Necronauts are an exception, and Jalipaz is very cool...and I'm not here talking crap about everyone, merely responding to the people who opened their mouth in the article....Perhaps a little overzealously, sure. I do know a lot of folks in the music community (if I hear the word 'scene' one more time i'm gonna puke), including studio folks, label owners, and such...River Jones, label owners, nearly worked himself into an emotional breakdown...the guy busts his ass...Ben Collins worked himself right into New York...The problem is, if you're gonna complain and bring attention to your frustrations getting ahead in this town, you better be AWESOME.

Toby
Toby

the accapella one is one of my favorites. My only knock on that record is it isn't long enough, it totally leaves me wanting more. The sound on that organ on the opening track is amazing. Either way, we're all on the same page about the article I'm willing to bet and yeah, I already admitted i'm totally being self-righteous but to be honest man, we were just sitting around bullshitting. A lot of positive stuff was said too. And you're right, the new times is a free weekly and they are the only viable one in town and they provide exposure, so that's why we did the interview. That being said, they make their money on advertisers and people advertise w/ them because other people read them and they get readers by stirring up shit and even, though certainly not in this case, making up stories. Some of the other guys on the label disliked them enough to not be there, maybe I should've had the same foresight. Whatever. Lesson learned. I really do wish the article had a more positive spin. My mistake. Dale, you're an asshole too. See you tonight.

Daletshit
Daletshit

that Roar record is the shit mang.

 
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