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Jon156 11/15/2010 7:13:00 AM
LOL - Babeu is that you????
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Jon156 11/15/2010 6:25:00 AM
And HOW long does it finally take to get the forensic analyses!!?? 3 month for a job - done in 2 days??? Who is hiding here something?? And Why?? New Times stay on top of that story!
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Joe 11/11/2010 2:26:00 PM
if there was gun shot residue to be found, wouldn't it be on the outer flannel shirt he had with him?
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John Doe 10/29/2010 8:59:00 PM
Wow, you showed me.
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Tomato 10/25/2010 5:28:00 PM
John Doe is really John Duhhhhhhhhhh/Paul Babeu
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bobgelder 10/24/2010 6:00:00 AM
I suspect it's because the idiots making decisions in this state think that spending millions of dollars to lawyers to attempt to defend their blatantly unconstitutional laws
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John Doe 10/23/2010 10:02:00 PM
Ha-ha! New Times = Epic Fail
Your hatred for AZ law enforcement sounds like a broken record. You should just post headlines like "Illegal aliens good! AZ law enforcement bad!"
Do you guys even believe your own bullshit, or is this some elaborate troll on your readers?
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tired of illegals 10/23/2010 2:46:00 PM
Just goes to show how some people will believe anything that they read. Even if it is written by a reporter whom for whatever reason, has a problem with people prosecuting illegal immigrants. The ignorance that is shown by the reporters of The New Times and some of the readers is astounding
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Abc123 10/13/2010 2:14:00 AM
who shot JR?
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Abc123 10/13/2010 2:12:00 AM
they werent all in agreement, I never heard the side from the new times that said it was probable that he was shot from a distance.
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Imanoid2 10/12/2010 5:31:00 PM
See Tommy, Mia with her Arizona education doesn't even know the difference between slander and libel. Why do I put down Arizona's eduction system?Because it has always been such a pathetic situation here regarding education funding, etc. The republican legislature has controlled what goes into Arizona's education system. And, it has always been at the lowest limits. Such a shame. Having been educated in Connecticut 40 years ago I have always looked our system as abysmal.
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Imanoid2 10/12/2010 5:21:00 PM
If you received your education anywhere but the Northeast, North, or California you are certainly lacking in your K-12 education. If you received yours here in Arizona you only received a 45 -50th in the low end of this country's states. The south and southwest being the worst education.
As for what are the dress standards of each police agency I am not an expert. But, I do know from my military experience that they issue you T-shirts and dress shirts. i.e. that is the one that one wears over the T-shirt or undershirt. When was the last time you saw a cop wearing only his undershirt on duty? You and other redneck, right wing yokels deserve the police state you get. I bet you were never in the military!
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Imanoid2 10/12/2010 5:08:00 PM
It is under-educated people like you with Arizona educations that continue to give carte blanche support to any law enforcement types. Nothing has been proved OR disproved. He has never been QUESTIONED by an outside agency. (He was never really questioned by his own management!) Where is the outer dress shirt that he was supposed to be wearing? If a dirty, dark undershirt was all that he was wearing on top that day he was out of uniform. That shirt needs to be tested. Of course by now it probably won't offer any good info. He needs to be given a lie detector by an agency like the FBI. Until then, nothing has been proved one way or the other. When you have a good number of law enforcement types who were more than just suspicious of ole Louie's side of the story something was definitely wrong. It won't be over until a definitive investigation has been done!
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Emil Pulsifer 10/11/2010 10:42:00 PM
Looking over the Pinalcchio story once again, trying to reconstruct a timeline, one thing I noticed is that while Puroll was making his recorded 911 call, shots rang out and he said "I'm taking fire". I suspect that this recording could be submitted for sonic analysis to identify the frequency distribution of the shots. It might be possible to determine if these were consistent with AK-47s or with his M-16 or his Glock sidearm. Just an idea, but if they could be identified as originating from weapons different from those carried by Puroll they would give his story some additional credibility.
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rudy f 10/11/2010 10:19:00 PM
I hope the media does not go along with case closed on this subject.The story Deputy Puroll dectates to the people sounds so insulting to our intelligence, come on lets get the truth out of the top dog Sheriff Babeu! Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself. The truth is close.
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Dennis_Quail 10/11/2010 2:40:00 PM
Well Guest,
A lone wolf / loose cannon is always suspect in a properly civilized police force. While Dirty Harry maybe entertaining to watch, officers that try to emulate one will 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time be actual sociopaths hiding behind a badge.
The Deputies account do not match up to the physical evidence or physics of the shooting.Evidence from the event was handled improperly, a lawyer was allowed to alter any proper investigation from the beginning. The Sheriffs department for the county in question is hiding behind the "ole blue wall".
Why do cops do that?
Well as an insider, I can tell you that it is because the majority of LEO's while not actively on the take are always keeping their options open. If given the opportunity (and they are sure they will not get caught) they will take evidence of the drug or money variety, especially if they can concoct a story that makes them look like hero's too.
Why do you think Internal affairs people are always looked down upon by brother officers? It is because in most cases they are the dirtiest of the dirty and have clawed their way to that position to cover up their own misdeeds.
Now your reason to believe the cop "Until proven that he's a liar, I believe him." is a rather poor assumption that YOU would be given the same reasonable doubt if you were in the same situation (it (is the wild west after all).
WRONG, as a normal citizen who was out for a walk and then decided to be a good citizen and follow the "PERPS". And then telling stories that do not match up to the physics of the crime scene and for immediately lawyering up.
Your butt would be locked up while you were investigated for drug running, possible murder, and reckless endangerment, as well as be monetarily charged for the rescue operation to fly you (and your probably self inflicted gun shot wound) to medical attention.
All the Conservatives that you know would be calling for your head on a platter and for you to be thrown in jail for as long as possible saying that you deserve it.
LEO's are not normal citizens, they have been given more power then a normal citizen and they should not be treated as such. Every action they take needs to be scrutinized for the primary meaning, as well as possible secondary meanings and well as probable tertiary meanings. That is the way LEO look at each other like and as well as the average citizen.
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Dezzertguy 10/11/2010 1:41:00 PM
Well, sometimes the left tries anything and everything to support their view. This time they failed to advance their position. The deputy is telling the truth and they will have to find another rock to crawl out of. But I still give the NT a pass as they also go after Mary Rose Wilcox and there, they have a lot of stuff to dig up on that shady person.
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Nacholibredooche 10/11/2010 5:42:00 AM
It will be hilarious when you're conspiracy theory is proven wrong - just like your pro-illegal immigration stance. I hear New Times is close to Chapter 11? I wonder why....
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Emil Pulsifer 10/10/2010 11:43:00 PM
Thanks for that info, Joedrman -- very useful. Of course, just because it's improper procedurally, doesn't mean it couldn't have been done anyway, but even if it had been, there should have been no wet blood after all that time anyway. And if Puroll had been wearing the t-shirt for any length of time (e.g., until law enforcement reached him or until medics reached or treated him) I think the stain should have been considerably larger due to the wicking effect of the fabric and the number of surface blood vessels ruptured (take a look at photos of the wound; and if Puroll took the t-shirt off early and never put it back on, the blood on it should have coagulated early on.
Here's a "what-if" scenario. What if the original t-shirt had obvious close contact discharge marks? What if it was never intended to submit it for analysis? What if the subsequent questions, or the prospect of subsequent questions, made it desirable to at least have photographs of the t-shirt? What if a fake t-shirt was staged five days later, and photographed immediately, either because they didn't think, or because they planned to claim that the photo had been taken shortly after the shooting incident, but later realized that such a claim could not stand up to scrutiny? Perhaps some administrative error or record made this impossible -- perhaps there was timestamp or other evidence indicating when the photo was taken, that was not obvious but which could become a public record -- or perhaps it was not possible to take everyone into this hypothetical conspiracy and someone untrustworthy already knew when the photo session took place? As for the apparently snipped out portions, perhaps the recreation was not satisfactory in all respects?
What if Puroll was taking his rifle off and the strap got stuck on the backpack or entangled on something attached to the pack? That would explain why the pack was taken off. Now, the rifle is being held by one hand, probably from the middle, with the hand near the trigger, while the backpack is being held with the other hand. Puroll is struggling to get the pack off and the rifle strap unentangled. Perhaps he is in a hurry. Perhaps a scorpion crawls up his trouser leg while he's doing this and he's startled. Suddenly the gun goes off. As soon as he is sure the wound isn't serious, the consequences are considered.
Now Puroll is terribly embarrassed. He knows that the ribbing he will take from his colleagues, some of whom don't like his brusque manner and stand-offishness, will be fierce and never ending. He will be known as Old Sure Shot or something of the sort, forever. The accident will likely get media attention. He can be a laughingstock, or he can be a hero. Perhaps he calls an old friend to discuss options, communicate indirectly with headquarters, and discretely determine whether high-level cooperation -- surely necessary -- will be forthcoming. Perhaps, since a rancher has recently been shot and since his boss is big on SB 1070 and border security, some political capital can be made from the incident.
All of this is purely hypothetical. Just some ideas which are, perhaps, consistent as an alternative interpretation of reported events.
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KJDaVinci777 10/10/2010 10:57:00 PM
AZdukie and kathy johnson: your support of the hoax produced by Purroliar and Baffoon(questionable background-and at most- some security guard experience) is to be admired...If you had any law enforcement knowledge you all would understand that even if you are a fiction writer or chew cactus what happened in Pureliars mind supported by "cartel" expert BaBaloney did NOT happen, otherwise you would not need a coverup...The New Times is trying to expose a hoax that was supported by the big shots--Sen. McChange, and given national exposure by Fox News...Support the messanger---New Times and bring back integrity the state...
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Joedrman 10/10/2010 4:44:00 PM
NEWSFLASH: Blood evidence of any type is NEVER stored or contained in anything airtight or plastic.The blood will mold and the evidence will be destroyed. So after 5 days of the bloody Tshirt sitting and drying so to speak, there will be no MOIST blood on it. .
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Joedrman 10/10/2010 4:09:00 PM
Either way you look at this story, it is not adding up........ Why wait 5 days to photograph the T-shirt ? It is evidence from said crime scene. DPS crime lab would have determined if there was GSR on the shirt and also at what angle the bullet would have entered. There are way to many holes in this story................. sounds like a lot of back peddling.
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Ron H 10/09/2010 6:28:00 PM
Mr. Smith,
No, you didn't hit a nerve. Judging from your response to Helen, I'd say she hit one of YOUR nerves. I don't know Helen, and have no idea who she is; but you telling her to seek out Jack Kevorkian and all the other nasty things you said to/about her was just plain wrong.
I can only judge the Deputy by what I see and hear. Until proven that he's a liar, I believe him. He seems upright and honest. Do I trust his Sheriff and believe everything he says? No. The position of Sheriff is a political one, and Sheriff Babeu seems more political than most.
If Deputy Puroll is PROVEN to be a liar, then I am wrong. Nothing so far has proven he is lying. Rubin's hit piece is more subjective than objective. I'm waiting for someone to say that the DPS crime lab is in bed w/ Sheriff Babeu. The amount of tin foil hats here is amazing!
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guest 10/09/2010 6:13:00 PM
Are you an expert on each agency's dress code in the state or just Pinal County's? Different uniforms for different assignments. This includes shirts, pants, boots, hats, jackets, even gun belts. Stop getting your info from Adam-12. Talk about an Arizona education, which 3rd world country did you receive yours in?
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Victory 10/09/2010 3:20:00 PM
HAHA! You were wrong! Now where is your apology for trying to smear this good deputy's name? DPS did their job now do yours.
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10/09/2010 2:42:00 PM
Sheriff Louie's story is getting shot full of holes.
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10/09/2010 12:54:00 AM
Arizona Politicians Jailed!
Arizona's motley crew of sordid politicians go to jail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02oKafo-JOM
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TeoBuneo 10/09/2010 12:42:00 AM
You are really a twit lady, Paul Rubin and the New Times are doing all of us a favor chasing the truth of this ludicrous story that was created by Deputy Puroll and his boss Sheriff Babeu who it seems comes from a family of prevaricators. The facts of this case cry out for investigation and your trying to blame the only journalist who has spent the time and effort required to unravel this ridiculously far-fetched tale is stupid. In your previous post you claimed you were interested in the truth but follow it with this kooky stuff about just having the sheriff and his deputies just allow the "cargo" and "new residents" just get on to Phoenix. Well sweety, isn't that exactly what happened if Puroll's tale is actually true? Five or six big backpacks loaded with "what" disappeared despite the largest ground and air response of law enforcement personnel in recent Arizona history. You now seem completely convinced of Puroll's veracity despite your previous post replying to Tom Smith's outrageous attack on you and your first comment here. What happened to only wanting to have the truth determined? And just how much did that afternoons "FOP" convention in the desert cost taxpayers, not to mention all Puroll's hours "on the job" but totally out of contact with anyone over all those years he's been a deputy? I don't think any of the questions raised by his actions that day are any closer to being explained, Helen.
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Hohohoazhohoho 10/08/2010 11:22:00 PM
TThere shou
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Truth 10/08/2010 8:58:00 PM
Deputy Purroll you admit not being informed by not reading or watching the news. Had you done both, and kept yourself informed, you’d probably have a better understand why the media does not trust Babeu. Your Boss made major mistakes in handling the “crime scene.” Since you have more experience than your boss, you should have insisted the shirt be processed for GSR. Direct your anger towards the man that represents your department. Sorry Deputies, but the truth is… as long as Babeu remains in office, any incidents that involves Babeu will always be scrutinized by the public and media. As a tax payer, I want all public employees to be well informed especially law enforcement. What is it do you watch TV or not?
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Tina 10/08/2010 8:22:00 PM
The funniest non sequitur was one of Puroll's statements that aired on last night's Channel 5 News:
“Until this shooting happened, and I got home that night and was watching the news, I never heard of 1070. I do not watch the local news. I don't read the newspapers and I don't care about politics."
That is, "I do not watch the local news, I don't read the newspapers and I don't care about politics. I got home that night and was watching the news."
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Tina 10/08/2010 7:43:00 PM
There are definitely gobs of unanswered questions, which Puroll won't be answering since, with Babeu's blessing, he's apparently refused to submit to an outside investigation However, since Puroll is with Search & Rescue it's understandable (maybe encouraged) for him to be wearing other garb than a dress-outer shirt. A commenter on a Trib report pointed this out. "Puroll was wearing khakis, a dark green T-shirt (he either was wearing a heavy long-sleeved shirt or carrying it around his backpack), a floppy hat, and combat boots." Rubin described the long sleeved shirt as a flannel jacket-type shirt. Still doesn't answer his purpose in going into the desert boondocks, supposedly "dangerous" territory, no protective garb...and alone. As the dispatcher said to her co-worker, "What's that fool doing out there alone?"
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Tom Smith 10/08/2010 7:22:00 PM
Ron,
Did I hit a nerve with my (judging from your reaction) accurate description of YOUR feelings and attitudes?
Here is a question I dare you to answer.
"What is it about what the deputies statements make you think he is speaking the truth?"
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Tom Smith 10/08/2010 6:55:00 PM
Well Helen, I did make observation of you person and probable line of thinking and attitudes, not attacks.
But you never did answer the main question back to you.
"What is it about what the deputies statements make you think he is speaking the truth?"
Answer this and then maybe we can start a dialog.
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Emil Pulsifer 10/08/2010 6:50:00 PM
P.P.S. Remember, there wasn't a whole lot of blood on this t-shirt to coagulate. In fact, the size of the bloodstain is itself a bit peculiar given the wound itself and the wicking effect of fabric. Look at the way the wound is still bleeding, in long drips (some of which have been wiped off by medical personnel, with one remaining) in the photograph of Puroll's bare back in the original Pinalcchio article. Puroll was airlifted out 80 minutes after his 911 call, according to that article. That's 80 minutes of bleeding. Why isn't the blood patch on the t-shirt considerably larger? If the answer is that Puroll took the t-shirt off immediately at the scene, then why didn't the blood coagulate?
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Emil Pulsifer 10/08/2010 6:39:00 PM
P.S. Even if the t-shirt had been placed in an airtight plastic evidence bag, there should have been no wet blood after five days. It was also exposed to air (and deprived of fresh blood) during the entire time between when it was removed from Puroll's torso and the time it was placed in an evidence bag. Even if it were placed in such a bag on the scene, as it was removed from Puroll, there was air in the bag itself as it was sealed.
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Emil Pulsifer 10/08/2010 5:56:00 PM
"The ID tech didn't photograph the shirt until five days had passed, on the morning of May 5...The stain on the shirt consists of both dried and seemingly moist blood."
I wish you had published this information in the original article. I saw the wet bloodstains in the photograph in the published edition but assumed that the photograph had been taken shortly after it had been removed from Puroll's body.
"Normal clotting time of blood ranges from 3 to 15 minutes in healthy individuals." (see link below)
There is plenty of air in a storage locker, and even with the shirt folded or balled up, there would be no wet bloodstains after five days. Could it be that this is not the original t-shirt?
http://books.google.com/books?id=KMfs_ezuWdMC&pg=PA203&lpg=PA203#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Tommy Collins 10/08/2010 5:43:00 PM
Dave, if Puroll happens to be a pathological liar, he will never give a true account. Such liars tell their stories and actually believe them. I don't know the guy, so I can't say if he fits the category. But, it seems not everything he is saying might be accurate.
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Tommy Collins 10/08/2010 5:35:00 PM
Katherine, the lack of gunshot residue on the tee shirt doesn't show Puroll as being 'innocent'. It might be that he was wearing a uniform long sleeve shirt over the tee shirt, which is normal uniform. That shirt would have absorbed most, if not all. of any gun powder residue. But you can certainly absolve him in your mind. I don't see this incident as having been closed.
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TeoBuneo 10/08/2010 5:32:00 PM
Keep bloodhounding this story. The PCSO story stinks to high heaven. Does Deputy Puroll get to eat breakfast every day on county time and then go off grid until early afternoon? As a taxpayer I want to know.
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Tommy Collins 10/08/2010 5:31:00 PM
Mia, slander is spoken. Libel is printed. It's only libel if something is written that 'harms' a person from an untruthful statement. Puroll has been asked questions, but hasn't been harmed by any of those questions. He initiated the incident, now he has to deal with the outcome. It's all about being a peace officer.
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Tommy Collins 10/08/2010 5:28:00 PM
Brandon, you label us as dope smokers simply because we aren't taking all of what Pinal is saying as fact? You have some maturing to do. If you take everything a cop says as being fact, you need to check your sources. By the way, I still don't believe Puroll's story. But you don't have the law enforcement experience that I do, so I won't expect you to understand. No, Brandon, I don't smoke dope and I don't believe Puroll or Babeu.
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Tommy Collins 10/08/2010 5:24:00 PM
Actually, as a retired law enforcement professional, I DO know what it's like to put my life on the line and I certainly questioned many aspects of this incident. As have many current and/or retired peace officers. By the way, how does one "Shut the Hell up" when simply typing on a blog?
So, some of you folks choose to lambaste Mr. Rubin and others for simply asking questions that should be answered.
Open your mind and let some fresh air in for a change. Unless, of course, it just goes in one ear and out the other, unimpeded.
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Imanoid2 10/08/2010 5:19:00 PM
Any reasonable person with even an Arizonan education should be able to see through this smoke screen put up by Baboo. As I had said before why wasn't his dress-outer shirt tested? If he was not wearing it he was out of uniform. For if we are to believe that he only had that dirty, dark shirt on, who could ID him as a law enforcement agent?
Until the FBI , or some outside agency investigates with Puroll and Baboo under oath, we will never know. Another Arizona mystery. With the arrest of the Phoenix cop who supposedly shot an unarmed man to death, and his "blue line partner" who would not cover-up for him, we should all feel safe in our beds at night! Not!
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Ron H 10/08/2010 4:17:00 PM
I'd say you need a diaper on your head, because your have shit for brains..
Talk about "a sad and pitiful excuse for a person", look no further than your own mirror!
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Ron H 10/08/2010 4:03:00 PM
"• New Times quoted nationally known forensic pathologists, some of whom concluded, on the basis of photographs,"
Yep, no physical examination of the evidence needed.
Rubin, you are a fuck stick.
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Sromaz 10/08/2010 3:19:00 PM
Hey Rubin and the rest of you libearl a?? holes. Shut the Hell up. You wouldn't know what it is to put you life on the line if you life depended on it. Go back under the rock and play with yourself.
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Pat Lynch 10/08/2010 2:19:00 PM
Smoke up guys! Looks like Louie was shot by an AK. Well maybe he was able to mask the gun powder burns from his tee shirt, but was not able to mask the burns to his body because that's what Micheal Boden said happened. Have you ever noticed that Boden always has a definitive opinion as to what happened? Every time either him or Cyril Wecht are asked for their opinion they always give it. They never say "well I would want to see all the evidence first hand, and talk to investigators, and talk to the victim." They never say that, either one of them.
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10/08/2010 2:14:00 PM
This guys singing the same song; hes got credentials. Check it out:
Just Say "Yes!" Legalizing Drugs Is Good
for Society ... and the Economy, Harvard
Prof. Says
Posted Oct 06, 2010 10:06am EDT by Henry Blodget in Recession, Politics
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California residents will vote in November on whether or not to legalize
marijuana. If they do vote "yes," says Harvard economics professor
Jeffrey Miron, that should only be the beginning.
All drugs should be legalized nationwide, Miron says. Pot, cocaine, LSD,
crystal-meth --- you name it.
"Legalizing drugs would save roughly $41.3 billion per year in
government expenditure on enforcement of prohibition. Of these savings,
$25.7 billion would accrue to state and local governments, while $15.6
billion would accrue to the federal government," Miron claims in a recent
Cato Institute report he co-authored.
According to their website, "The report also estimates that drug
legalization would yield tax revenue of $46.7 billion annually, assuming
legal drugs were taxed at rates comparable to those on alcohol and
tobacco. Approximately $8.7 billion of this revenue would result from
legalization of marijuana and $38.0 billion from legalization of other
drugs."
But won't we become a nation of drug addicts?
No, says Miron. Walk down any city street and you can already buy legal
drugs in multiple establishments: Caffeine at Starbucks, nicotine at the
supermarket, alcohol at bars and restaurants. And we're not ALL
addicted to all of these drugs.
Our current drug policy doesn't work, Miron observes. Despite ~$40
billion spent on enforcement and prosecution, drug use is still
widespread. Meanwhile, because the products are illegal, they're
dangerous, low-quality, and unregulated, and they generate zero tax
revenue.
Legalizing drugs would solve those problems, Miron says. It would help
close the budget deficit. And it would eliminate a bizarre double
standard, in which Americans are encouraged to drink and smoke
themselves to death -- while guzzling addictive coffee and tea -- but become criminals if they dare to get stoned.
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/just-say-yes-legalizing-drugs-is-good-for-society-and-the-economy-harvard-prof-says-yftt_535480.html
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10/08/2010 2:12:00 PM
Lets pull all remaining troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately. Redeploy them on the thousands of miles of border north, south, east and west; including all of their advanced equip to efficiently and effectively secure our borders. We have waged 40 years of drug war at a cost in the trillions of dollars and are worse off than when we started. Legalize and nationalize recreational pot use by adults with acceptable proof of age; sub out production and distribution of pot to private sector to employ Agri Business Techniques, and Home Depot like logistics, thereby driving down costs, enhancing profits and tax revenues, while undercutting Black Market pricing. This will eliminate the Black Markets incentive and stop the bleeding of resources toward ineffective effort and scant results. Place some of the redeployed troops and put boots-on-the-ground in our school campuses while ramping up anti drug use education in those same schools, all funded by the new revenue source.
Provide, in joint effort with the relevant foreign governments, upon registration and rendering of biometrics, a purchasable work visa for immigrants. The visa would be paid in installments; with an initial payment; and, upon employment, collected with the typical payroll withholdings for only those benefits they can legally receive and those obligations, like tax, they would legally owe. This would empower them with a purchased right to work while protecting them under existing labor laws, and eliminate the artificially induced erosion to labor and pay rates.
We should adopt term limits for senators and reps.; perhaps 3 terms max.. Strike the term lobby from the English language, regardless of what its called make it illegal. Limit Both Congressional bodies member's salaries to $50,000 per year, adjusted for inflation. Limit political campaign contributions. Level changes for both should be put to general vote.
These moves will help to resurrect the economy, balance budget and restore the American Dream in the short term and sustain it for years to come.
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Brandon 10/08/2010 1:09:00 PM
Hey DOPE SMOKERS! How about coming out and apologizing to this deputy for this witch hunt now that there is NO PROOF to substantiate your made up drug induced hallucination!!
YOU are the enemy of the State and the ones that are trying to undermine the security of our Country. If you don't like the USA, then LEAVE....there ARE Countries that have legalized drugs, you and them can hallucinate together.
PEACE OUT!
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Shadow_man 10/08/2010 11:50:00 AM
Nothing I read above is proof of any wrong doing or adequately captures the anarchy of a police shooting scene. After reading this and seeing the interview, it appears the New Times is the one on the defensive for piss poor journalism and slander. I'll take the word of an experienced law enforcement officer ove a news rag that has such a clear agenda and bias that was clear from the minute the shooting was reported.
Gotta love these forensic "investigators," supposed men of science making determinations from a hundred miles away all by looking at photographs. Take that to court why don't you and have the judge laugh you out of the court room.
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Mia 10/08/2010 8:08:00 AM
So now the New TImes has a problem with the state forensic office too?
You guys see a bogeyman under every rock. I'm sure you will now print an apology to all you slandered. Right?
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Ronald 10/08/2010 6:31:00 AM
To Paul Rubin--
Michael Baden is a charaltan. He has been proven to be a fake numerous times. Hope he cost you a lot of money--he is a skilled liar.
Do you have the character and integrity to apologize to the deputy that you slandered with your half-truths? The DPS fed you a line of bull-- you were used in this power struggle. Boy, they really played you.
The New Times has always been in the yellow-journalism business--no wonder you are the joke in Arizona.
Dare you to expose yourself as the hoax. Your lack of accountability is despictable.
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Bigguy 10/08/2010 5:21:00 AM
YOU SHOULD CHANGE THE ARTICLE TO
NEW TIMES EPIC FAIL @ CONSPIRACY THEORY
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digbik 10/08/2010 5:19:00 AM
Gotta agree all this work you guys did where you were arguing the distance of the shot is really out the fucking window. You look like a bunch of fucking morons. Seriously, whats up with all the pro immigration shit? You are completely biased.
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FuckTheBird 10/08/2010 4:03:00 AM
Hey New Times....looks like your fucking jackass theory and halfassed paid forensic clowns are fucked again. Looks like Pinal Co had it right the first time, as suspected.
Suck on that you fat fucking terd.
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alehound 10/08/2010 2:56:00 AM
It would not surprise me if Sheriff Baboon was the one who shot him. Violence does run in his family, along with foreclosures. Ask the people in the last city the Baboon clan lived in. There's a bigger story there.
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dw 10/08/2010 2:16:00 AM
Heard the Puroll press conference. Very defensive, " me thinks he doth protest too much ". The case may be closed, but I'm hoping New Times continues the investigation.
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10/08/2010 2:07:00 AM
Also......borderinvasionpics.com
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10/08/2010 2:04:00 AM
Since the evidence has come in showing him to be innocent, you should also provide a public appology!
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10/08/2010 1:53:00 AM
Your paper has always been suspect. It brings on a new meaning to "don't believe everything that you read". Every story that you write appears to have some type of agenda or revenge factor attached to it. With those two things factored in, how can we ever believe what you print?
Actually, your paper and journalists are the master of spin. Your reality is not a reality shared by the majority of people on the planet, let alone our state. But I'll give you this.....it's fun to watch your theory fall apart before the eyes of the World.
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Daniel 10/08/2010 1:48:00 AM
secureborderintel.org
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Daniel 10/08/2010 1:47:00 AM
I think Paul Ruben should do some investigative reporting and go hang out in Antelope pass for a weekend to show people how safe it is up there. With out a escort!!!!!
There are no drug runners up there!
check out secureborderintel, the guys with AK'S and the Packbackers are from Antelope!
Go get a story pussy paul!
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AZduke 10/08/2010 12:35:00 AM
Why should we believe anything New Times publishes after several bogus stories they have printed in the past and then later admitted that it was all made up.
This publication has destroyed it's credibility time and time again so I have not believed anything it has printed since their admission to these lies.
New Times should be published in a 3rd world country since they are obviously anti-american and pro illegal aliens.
Good riddance New Times
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KJDaVinci777 10/08/2010 12:30:00 AM
Newsflash: Purrolliar will hold a news conference to help the Baboonliar maintain some type of credibility with Pinal voters. Since FOX news is the only media outlet that believes this self proclaimed CARTEL expert (Babalooney) liarPurrolie is trying to save his job by maintaining his incredible hoax thus helping Buffoon stay in the limelight with his incredible lies about the cartels...DEA would never support the fiction that this security guard wannabee is reporting. Mr. Baboonie you would do Arizona law enforcement good if you resign prior to your past and present BS being exposed. Oh, I forgot you do have a Senator in your pocket, who believesyou...By the way was it the same t-shirt that liar #1 was wearing when someone assisted him with the self inflicted wound...I would not get a divorce if I was Pureliar...Yes, to self inflict yourself like Purrey did you need help so you do not hit an organ...
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Marcy 10/08/2010 12:00:00 AM
Cops protect other cops.
Nothing new there.
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Helen 10/07/2010 10:26:00 PM
Hi Tom,
Wow, you made a lot attacks on me personally! Why attack me? Your judgements of me have nothing to do with the veracity debate regarding Pinal County's Sheriff Department.
Since I'm not convinced who's telling the truth, I'm willing to wait and see.
But, obviously, a solution that allows our society to lead, peaceful, and law abiding lives while we are in pusuit of happiness would be an improvement This would eliminate the friction between Pinal law enforcement and the citizens of Phoenix that are eager to welcome new residents.
There would be no need for criticism and no impediment of the desert trvelers. Wouldn't this lessen the hostility in the future betwee Phoenix and Pinal County? Also, deputies would not be required to provide Search and rescue services, therefore, allowing them to perform other more important duties.
Your ludicrous desciption of me is inaccurate. Let's discuss this topic that has an effect on the citizens of Arizona.
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alehound 10/07/2010 9:32:00 PM
Here's some info on the baboon family:
Shaun Babeu, candidate for Justice of the Peace, does have courtroom experience. It is from the other side of the bench.
On May 14, 1999, Shaun Babeu (then 28) was involved in brutally assaulting a man at the Altiere’s Bar in North Adams, MA (the Babeu homeland).
The victim was a man who had dated a Babeu sister (Theresa) a year or so earlier. He entered Altiere’s Bar (with three friends; two were ladies) after a softball game across the street. Once in the bar, he noticed Theresa [then 38] and another Babeu sister Mary [then 39] and he turned to leave. Theresa ran over to him and struck him with a beer bottle. The group continued to leave. When Mary joined Theresa in trying to fight him, patrons tried to restrain the sisters and Theresa fell to the floor.
Shaun Babeu and his brother Fran (then 43; on leave from the Marines) joined the sisters in beating the victim as everything moved outside. The sisters continued beating the victim and when he fell to the ground, Shaun Babeu began to beat him repeatedly in the head while Fran kicked him in the head numerous times. When the victim was no longer moving, Shaun and Fran ran from the scene to Shaun’s residence at 29 Holbrook Street. The victim was taken to the hospital.
This was not mutual combatants fighting. It was a victim being beaten continually by four people while he was retreating. Witnessing this was Mary’s (now ex-)husband, an off-duty NA police officer who was at Althiers (didn’t stop the assault; didn’t report it). The next day Theresa filed a restraining order against the victim.
The four Babeu brothers and sisters were charged with “assault to the first” in Northern Berkshire District Court in North Adams. Fran Babeu had returned to his duty post and did not appear when subpoenaed. The Babeu’s attorney, Judy Knight, claimed it was self defense. In the pre-conference hearing (with family friend Dennis D’Arcangelo presiding) a settlement was reached where charges would be dismissed and the four Babeu siblings were required to pay for the victim’s medical and dental bills.
Shaun Babeu was on the city council in North Adams when the assault occurred. Mary Babeu was running for the city council. Mary was not elected and Shaun was not re-elected. Theresa Babeu has several arrests for fighting/assault in North Adams.
In this campaign for Justice of the Peace in Apache Junction, Shaun Babeu is promising us the “people’s court.” Could it turn into an “All In The Family” court? This event was clearly a family affair.
For further clarification of the above incidents, in fairness, ask candidate Shaun Babeu as he was there. Ask the family attorney, Ms. Knight. Review the PD and district court records. Ask NA Officer Maruco. Check the archives at the North Adams Transcript.
This is not about politics. It is about his character.
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Tom Smith 10/07/2010 8:51:00 PM
Dear Helen,
Please instruct me on how to tell if this deputy is telling the truth?
We have several different conclusions from several different experts and none of their unbiased conclusions meet up with the deputies account of what happened, even though most of their own conclusions do meet and match the other experts conclusions on a great number of points.
What is it about what the deputies statements make you think he is speaking the truth?
Or is it that you are so old and socially worthless that you believe all the fear mongering that is generated about people who are different from you?
Do you also fear getting raped when you go out shopping for groceries? Is it not true that the store you shop at is in the middle of old person ville and anyone who is not white and wrinkled and wearing a diaper sticks out like lighthouse on a dark night?
So it seems that you are a bitter OLD wrinkled diaper wearing fearful sheep that can not make a decision on you own but by god you'll vote for a old wrinkled diaper wearing fear mongering corrupt sheriff.
You will complain that the Goberment is giving away money to socialist all the while you cash your SOCIAL SECURITY checks each month.
You will crow that you are a TEABAGGER yet you are offended by a young woman who makes money showing her body for cash.
You want to throw people in jail for a long time for selling or buying drugs or doing drugs all the time you use money given to you in the form of social security to buy drugs your doctor has been told to tell you that you need by representatives of the company that makes that drug.
Helen you are a sad and pitiful excuse for a person and you need to go find DR. Jack Kovorkian and have him treat you.
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Theoldman 10/07/2010 6:38:00 PM
I have never understood why elected officials want to be in front of the camera, get local, state, and hopefully national headlines, see themselves on TV, THEN seemed shocked when the press checks out the statements they make.
It seems that they think all of us and the press should believe what they say and never check out the information.
Result: A lot of CYA, telling lies, and covering up the truth. And later, the look of surprise when they get confronted with the lies.
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Helen 10/07/2010 5:51:00 PM
Two suggestions to Sheriff Babeau:
Forbid deputies to interfere with individuals carrying "cargo" to Phoenix.
And, forbid deputies to approach individuals taking a walk through the Pinal desert enroute to Phoenix.
These two changes will allow "cargo" and new residents to arrive in Phoenix without any of those pesky delays or interruptions. Also, the possibility of racial profiling will be eliminated.
It would be a "win-win" situation.
Paul Rubin and the readers of the New Times will be able to welcome them and integrate them into Phoenix's society. There is no need to be concerned about these new resident's background as our Federal government has assured us repeatedly that they have secured our southern international border and drastically reduced crime.
Perhaps, these ideas will calm the readers and writers of the New Times about those pesky law enforcement officers in Pinal County--"Let the "cargo" and new residents walk to Phoenix unimpeded!"
Afterall
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Coz 10/07/2010 3:02:00 PM
Imagine that, another racist redneck lying about them Mesicans..
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davetheman 10/07/2010 2:35:00 PM
Looks like Babeu is starting to squirm,little chicken. Tried to pull a fast on and now he trying to get out of it. I can't wait until Louie give the true account of what happened.
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Tom 10/07/2010 2:14:00 PM
I thought you were going to say that his pants, like him, were full of sh*t
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Honest Cop 10/07/2010 2:50:00 AM
Paul Rubin for Pinal County Sheriff.
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Hock 10/07/2010 12:58:00 AM
They need to send his pants to DPS for testing too...because I'm sure, his pants are on fire.
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Johnmillerjr 10/07/2010 12:43:00 AM
Like Mom always said, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, smells like . . . . then it's a ****ing duck.