Mehrens said Lewinski interviewed Chrisman and has concluded that "this was a justifiable use of force," in the attorney's words.

"I wanted to make Dr. Lewinski available to the [county attorney] and the grand jury to tell them Rich Chrisman's version on the facts and, if they were interested, his expert opinion," Mehrens wrote in an e-mail to me.

Yet Mehrens admitted that he didn't offer his client to the grand jury to tell his side, which was the smart thing for Mehrens to do. Particularly if his client's guilty.

Romley scoffed at the suggestion that Lewinski should've gone before the grand jury.

"Mehrens knows better than that," Romley said. "His expert didn't even have any of the police reports or any of the information [on the case]."

And what about Mehrens' contention that he and Public Safety Manager (read: Police Chief) Jack Harris rushed to judgment regarding Chrisman — that the grand jury came too fast?

"That's ridiculous," Romley said. "How many murder investigations do we sit, [where] we have someone who's a potential subject and we do the grand jury right away? Just go back in history. It was a week [after the murder that the Chrisman grand jury] was done."

Romley also hotly contested the suggestion by Phoenix police Officer Eric Rude that the County Attorney dictated the probable-cause statement attached to the Chrisman indictment. Rude's testimony came before a hearing seeking a preliminary injunction against Chrisman's firing by Harris, a request the judge granted.

PLEA member Rude told the court that Chief Harris informed him that the County Attorney dictated what was to appear in the statement, referred to as a "form four." This, even though Phoenix homicide Detective Kenny Porter is listed as the author of the form four.

"I triple-checked it," Romley said. "We even contacted the officer that wrote the form four, and he said, 'Absolutely not.'"

PPD spokesman Tommy Thompson explained to me that in major cases, officers may corroborate facts with the county attorney, but the officers actually write the form fours themselves.

The latest round fired from Mehrens' office is a motion seeking a remand of the Chrisman case to the grand jury. Mehrens contends that the prosecutor assigned to the case, Juan Martinez, and another prosecutor, Ted Duffy, misled the grand jury by presenting the case "almost entirely from the point of view of Officer Sergio Virgillo."

Not long after its filing, the legal paperwork found its way to CBS 5, which then produced a hit piece on Duffy, noting that he'd been sanctioned, given a 30-day suspension, and put on probation by the State Bar of Arizona.

The Channel 5 story quoted defense attorney Daniel Raynak's saying he was surprised "anyone would put Duffy in charge of another murder case."

The TV report also noted that Duffy's "one of two prosecutors handling the Chrisman prosecution."

But the County Attorney's Office said it was Martinez who presented the case to the grand jury, not Duffy.

County Attorney's Office spokesman Bill Fitzgerald got back to me with this statement:

"Ted Duffy didn't have anything to do with the presentment of the Chrisman case. He was the person who was assigned that day to the grand jury to read from a piece of paper the standard admonishments with regard to all cases being heard by grand jurors that day.

"He reads from the piece of paper and takes a seat. The actual presentment of the case was done by Juan Martinez."

Asked about Duffy's involvement or non-involvement in the presentation of the case to the grand jury, Mehrens reacted, well, weirdly.

"You know, I am so tired of this shit," wrote Mehrens in an e-mail to me. "Why [is the County Attorney's Office] lying to you? More importantly, why are you buying into it? I actually know the answer to the former question: They cannot support their actions on the facts, so they spin."

Mehrens later added, "I know your paper supports Romley, having done a huge piece on how wonderful a guy he is. I know your paper supports and has done 'puff pieces' on the Phoenix PD homicide detectives and homicide detectives [who] have left for other employment, so why am I surprised? I shouldn't be."

So, uh, does this make New Times anti-cop or pro-cop? Confusing, eh?

Speaking for myself, I'm neither pro- nor anti-Phoenix PD. And as to Chrisman's guilt or innocence, that's for a jury to decide.

The line that's out there on the pro-Chrisman side is that Virgillo froze (or didn't engage) while Rodriguez and Chrisman struggled, that Rodriguez went for Chrisman's gun, and Chrisman had to kill him.

There were only three men involved in the incident, and one of them's dead.

The second, Virgillo, is a cop with a spotless record who's now loathed by many — if not most — of his brothers and sisters in arms for ratting out a fellow centurion.

The third, Chrisman, is tainted by his name's inclusion on the "Brady list" and the reason it was put there: planting a crack pipe on a mentally ill homeless woman in a sick prank we learned about only after he was indicted for murder two.

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Observer
Observer

Lots of good cops in Phoenix and a few crooks too. PLEA needs to clean up its house.

luvPOs
luvPOs

when its either your life or theirs im pretty sure you'll pick your own. police officers deal with drug attics, gang members and plain out assholes on a daily basis that absolutely hate officers and want to harm them. if you had a husband or a wife that was an officer and in this position daily i think your views would change. A person on drugs and has violent behavior there is no telling what they are capable of. In a split second that persons mood can change and if the police were being called because a domestic dispute toward his mother obviously he doesn't give a shit who he would hurt if he's hurting his own mother. Rule one to anyone DON'T ever grab an officers gun, that's just plain out asking to get shot.

JAY
JAY

fucking pigs are more corrupt evil criminal straight square clean yuppies cut than people like the Hells Angels are. just read the website site cops gone bad CGB and read for yourself. they are worse than the people they go after daily. alot of them are women beaters and cho mo child molesters to.

Bruno
Bruno

The New Times is very Pro Union..... that is unless it is a law enforcement union. This incident is exactly what a union is for. This shooting did not meet the "Headline Test" so some politicians are trying to exploit it, at the expense of the officer involved. The sinister union is just protecting the member's due process rights.

Haha
Haha

crocked cops are finally being revealed.....they are only out for themselves so in the end I say drug test these guys and see how many are really good cops

Chris
Chris

Everybody relax. Stephen Lemons and the New Times gang, your local law enforcement experts, will be patrolling the streets of south Phoenix now. Your worries are over.

Cajungman
Cajungman

its a ashame we have law enforcement that kill,s people with regard and can steal money an get away with it but when u have a leader like fat JOE and his crew and a police cheif that can screw the people hes suppost to be serving by retairing with a big fat check and taking another job with with the city hes suppost to be watching out for and in his press conf. he didnt know a dam thing of what was going on. also its agins the law to steal anything all 25 officers and fat JOE and his crew should all got to jail but when in arizona policts and rep.rule they think they above the law.

Bennybisme
Bennybisme

Its sad to think that the founding fore fathers of our country fought so hard against unsurmountable odds to grant us the rights that we so foolishly allowed to be taken from us. We have allowed our government to much power and they have and will continue to abuse it. Remember " People should not fear their government, a government should fear its people!" And they do fear us, which is why they have worked so hard to brainwash us into thinking that they are so powerful that their is no hope of revolting and winning, they are wrong! They have the guns but we have the numbers. Oh wait alot of us have guns too. So we have guns and numbers? Whats the hold up?????

Bennybisme
Bennybisme

The revolution starts when when the people that understand that the government has failed and needs to be reconstructed are willing to stand up voice thier opinions publicly and if need be, fight and DIE for what they believe is right.

Rebelsprey
Rebelsprey

what about gang stalking harassment in some parts of south phoenix

Jhrathmann
Jhrathmann

and when does the revolution start?? soon I hope otherwise we wont have anything worth saving or living for, pity the future if this is what it looks like now

Tomato
Tomato

Some of the idiots posting here don't seem get (i'm talking about you Sampson) that a cop killing an unarmed man has nothing to do with liberalism or socialism. Murder is murder. Funny how all the PLEA posters here try to make this about the fact that right-wingers won the day in the recent election. PLEA morons, Rick Romley is hardly a liberal, you know. Last I looked he described himself as a conservative Republican. Romley may be out of office, but you guys are the ones going down. Enjoy prison.

Rose Valencia Sanchez
Rose Valencia Sanchez

What is most disgusting, is that the continuous remarks, trying to blame the murder victim, and even the other police officer. There was no reason that Daniel needed to die. Even if he was on drugs, or had violent behavior. There were other options! There is NO excuse for killing this young man, not ONE.

Eyesee5
Eyesee5

Yeah, Romley just go away. The voters have spoken. We don't want you anymore.

E5282003
E5282003

Romley is just sour grapes and needs to go away as the voters have made their choice...

Coz
Coz

The Good old Boy corruption just never ends in Maricopa County...

Amazing....If this was anyone else other than a cop, they would be facing the death penalty or life in prison.

J Ro
J Ro

I would just like to know if Rodriguez wasn't a threat, why did Virgillo use OC spray and his taser on him?

Majkumajku
Majkumajku

he grabbed his bike from the cop.BIG DIFFERENCE.nowhere in any of the reports does it say that he reached for the cop's gun.open your eyes and stop defending murderers just because they wear a badge,and possibly a moustache

Hollingsmak
Hollingsmak

Who said he was reaching for the officer's gun? And who said the victim was harming his mother? He was allegedly breaking OBJECTS. Ask the mother how she feels now that her son is dead, thanks to this douchebag cop.

Concerned citizen
Concerned citizen

Their protecting his due process rights at the tax payers expense. If he's found guilty does he have to pay us back? And if so how's that going to happen after he gets shanked behind bars?

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Chris, no need to be such a horse's ass just because these reporters write something you don't agree with. Offer meaningful dialogue and opinion without the personal attacks and maybe someone will pay attention to what you have to say.

Cajungman
Cajungman

they have the law on there side and fat JOE

Cajungman
Cajungman

fat JOE dont like to fight crime like that just poor MEXICANS like at danny car washes opps i for got FAT JOE gets his cars clean for free

Cajungman
Cajungman

I WISH U LUCK TOMATO, fat joe and his crew are in like fint and phoenix police got it made here good luck hoss

worldofduffuses
worldofduffuses

Amen Rose...could not have said it better myself. Just because his mother called the police on him, just because his mother says he uses drugs, just because a hell of a fight occurred inside the trailer, just because BOTH officers had to fire Tasers, just because they had to use pepper spray, just because Rodriguez grabbed for Chirsman's gun...your right thats no reason to kill him. At most I think the officers were only justified in calling him a few bad names and grabbing their marbles and going home to play another day :)

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

I will disagree, Coz. I think Murder Two is the appropriate charge. From my perspective, without having been there, I think Chrisman was stupid and careless and yes, very negligent, but I doubt he intended for the guy to go off. There is a similar case in Phoenix where one juvenile shot and killed another one, maybe accidentally, and he's not being charged with Murder One either. I think it stinks that Chrisman committed this act, but I think the charge is correct according to Arizona law.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Unless Rodriguez had a gun or similar weapon there probably wasn't a reason for Chrisman or anyone else to use a guy. OC and the tazer are intended for exactly this situation, where deadly force is NOT justified. Read your laws, J Ro.

Sampson
Sampson

LOL moron Majkumajku....the police report was released just yesterday (11/22/10) and you're right it doesn't say that Rodriguez grabbed his gun. The report says he grabbed it twice!!!!!! Don't open the hole in your face unless you know what your talking about first

Sampson
Sampson

Your right...who said he was harming his mother and breaking things. Obviously she wanted to have the cops come to her trailer to share Tea and Crumpets with her son the alter boy and she.

Vforkg
Vforkg

Lol I just love the PPD...not. hypocrites.... and they are hiding the truth about plenty

Chris
Chris

Moron it was the mother that called the police. They didn't just show up there. If it was bad enough for her to call the police on her son who's been arrested and convicted multiple times then I think it's safe to assume something was going on. This guy is dead thanks to his own actions. I'm sorry you got a speeding ticket last month.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

I believe PLEA is funded by membership fees which come from their salaries. Since Arizona is a 'right to work' state no employee is compelled to become a member. The members contribute a portion of their membership fees to a legal defense fund which may be used by any member, at the approval of the board. I don't have their charter in front of me, but this is how a typical police 'association' would conduct revenue and costs. Their should be NO taxpayer money being spent to defend Chrisman, unless the courts deem him indigent and appoint a public defender.

Chris
Chris

Oh I disagree it's all kinds of reason to be a horse's ass. If this jack ass wants to figure out what it's like to patrol the streets of south phoenix he can get out from behind his desk, put on a uniform, get in a Crown Vic and start answering calls. Then, and only then, will this guy have the qualifications to know what he's talking about. And as far as someone paying attention, your response is proof you're already there.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

No, Danny's Family Car Washes contributes heavily to the MCSO shurf campaign fund. Therefore he is exempt and will not be 'raided' while MCSO is under the tutelage of the Flaccid Fool.

The competing car washes of Danny's are normally his targets. It appears campaign contributions buy protection. At least thus far....

luvPOs
luvPOs

when its either your life or theirs im pretty sure you'll pick your own. police officers deal with drug attics, gang members and plain out assholes on a daily basis that absolutely hate officers and want to harm them. if you had a husband or a wife that was an officer and in this position daily i think your views would change. A person on drugs and has violent behavior there is no telling what they are capable of. In a split second that persons mood can change and if the police were being called because a domestic dispute toward his mother obviously he doesn't give a shit who he would hurt if he's hurting his own mother. Rule one to anyone DON'T ever grab an officers gun, that's just plain out asking to get shot.

J Ro
J Ro

Well Mr. Collins before you tell me to read the laws, maybe you should read my post. I said nothing about deadly force or anything about Officer Chrisman. The fact that both officers used non-deadly force at first clearly means that at some point Rodriguez was a threat.

Sampson
Sampson

Except for one thing Tommy, there was a gun...Chrisman's gun. From what I'm reading Chrisman pulled it out and shot the pitbull which pissed off Rodriguez and Rodriguez grabbed Chrisman's gun. Let see...fighting over an officer's gun...is that reason to use deadly force...I think yes and so do many nationwide court rulings. perhaps you should read your laws before you start convicting people without a trial

Bongo21
Bongo21

How about if Rodriguez was fighting for the officer's gun? By both officers' known statements on scene, Rodriguez had been tasered (twice) and pepper sprayed, but was still not under control. I'm not an officer, but have been there with some, an officer's weapon becomes a target for someone being arrested, no surprise there, officer's are trained to protect it and use it when all other options are expended.

O C D Sara
O C D Sara

The guy didn't die from trying to take away his bike..he died from a 3 bullets given to him by a brave officer. I live in that area, I have to lock my doors, set alarms, have a shotgun and I still don't feel safe in my own neighborhood because of criminal pieces of cracked out waste such as "good ol Danny boy" but this cop walks into violent situations every day!! GOOD JOB OFFICER!!! But if you can, take the rest of the trash that lives around me out aswell? I will provide the bullets

Sampson
Sampson

Good comment Chris!!!!

Majkumajku
Majkumajku

the guy is dead thanks to yet another south phx. patrolman with a chip on his shoulder.to say this guy deserved to die for trying to pull his bike away from the officer,or because he had a prior record,is just inhuman.this shit happens in iran,it's not supposed to happen here.but now that sb1070 has been signed by the soon to be impeached brewer,and has yet to go into effect,cops,rednecks,rednecks in yuppy clothing,neo-nazis,and just plain ignorant,uneducated people will use any excuse to say a murder is justified,as long as the one murdered is brown.and just because somebody has prior convictions does not make them a bad person.there are tens of thousands of people who have records that are normal,productive members of society.g.w. bush,no that's a bad example,he is a war criminal.but stop being so biased.this cop has given yet another large blemish to an otherwise descent police department,and should be dealt with like any other citizen who commits the same crime.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Where were you in VietNam? What unit? Just curious...

O C D Sara
O C D Sara

guess what he has been to my house many times..our sons are bestfriends! oh and i doubt you would end up upstairs for murdering someone in cold blood. you are just hateful..you must live a miserable life!

Cajungman
Cajungman

bull chit he did his job wrong and i would not hesited to kill that cop in a hert beat and i would pay for when i get upstiaris maybe he ll get a call to yor house an kill your son

O C D Sara
O C D Sara

We did get rid of an asshole..criminal abusive crackhead Danny.

O C D Sara
O C D Sara

which post of mine are you replying to? That cop killed/not murdered a violent suspect peice of trash! unless you are a fan of abusing your mother that is. He went for the cops gun. Why is that so hard to believe that a VIOLENT crackhead (his mother stated his drug use not me) would try that?

Cajungman
Cajungman

FUCK THE DOG THERES IS NO DOG IM SCAREOF IF I HAVE A GUN AND A TASTER COME ON MAN THAT COP IS A KILLER HOW CAN SOME ONE TAKE A HUMAN LIKE I KILLED ALT OF PEOPLE IN NAM AND TO THIS DAY I HAVE A HARD TIME LIVING WITH THAT

Cajungman
Cajungman

u sound like a fuckin cop shoot and ask questins latter wake up man theres enough killing going on that we need to get rid of assholes like that

Cajungman
Cajungman

u so right but rod. didnt kill him either

O C D Sara
O C D Sara

It would be great if everyone realized the media is not always news, but opinions. We have soo many news channels that say completely different accounts of what happened "the dog was a puppy, the dog was 3 years, it was a pitbull, it was a boxer, he was shot in the back, he was shot in the head, he was shot in the stomach 3 times, and this is one thing the media does have FACTS on and they still cant get it right...Chrismans age, 26,27, and 36... I love Richard as an officer and friend (our boys are best friends) and was at his bday party Friday..he is now 37.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

J Ro, you make some good points with your questions and I appreciate your showing respect in our dialogue. I don't have answers for your questions, and only those who are there will have those answers. As a retired officer I have to wonder why Chrisman pulled his gun and put it to the head of the suspect and made his statement about not needing a warrant. I am just going by my experience in similar situations. Can I judge the man without further information? No. I simply have an opinion based on what I've seen and heard to this point. Since we're not germane to what was presented to the grand jury we really don't know whether the charges will support a conviction.

That said, there is a dead victim.

Was Chrisman justified in killing him?

Was PLEA planting the seed of doubt?

Time will tell.

J Ro
J Ro

Mr. Collins, I would disagree that the law is specific about when deadly force can be used. If fact, the line is thin and often unclear. The second someone is reaching for an officer's gun is the second everything changes. An officer has a right to shoot when a suspect is reaching for their own weapon, what makes it different when a suspect reaches for an officer's weapon. A weapon is a weapon. At the end of the day the goal of every LEO is to come home. What we do know from the Form 4 is that Chrisman was struggling with Rodriguez, and Virgillo (by his own account) was at least 6 feet away. If I only take into account Virgillo's statements which is half of the story, there is not enough evidence to charge Chrisman. I am not saying after a complete investigation there won't be, but with half of the story Mr. Romley moved to quick.There are just too many questions and conflicting statements/actions. 1. If Rodriguez wasn't a threat why did Virgillo use a taser and OC spray?2. If Rodriguez still wasn't detained after using non-deadly force, why was Virgillo 6 feet away, what kind of 'back up' is that?3. Why didn't Virgillo call for more back up once he thought Chrisman was out of line by pulling his weapon on Rodriguez when initial contact was made?4. Why didn't Virgillo call for more back up once Chrisman shot the dog if he felt there was no need to shoot the dog?These are just a few of the questions I have. At the end of the day no matter the outcome, there will still be division about what happened that day.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Thanks J Ro. I appreciate your remarks. Law is specific when deadly force can be used by police officers. Just because there is a threat it doesn't mean that DEADLY force can be used. That is my point about the law and it's what the court will be looking at when this issue goes to trial. Was the 'threat' great enough for deadly force to be justified? The county attorney doesn't think so, or there wouldn't be charges. It may very well be that Virgillo was justified in using OC and Tazer, but Chrisman wasn't justified in the shooting. Time will tell.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Sampson, I have my opinion, based on my observations. The court will determine conviction, not you or me. I was very objective in my investigations, thank you. You have your opinion and I have mine. It will be interesting to see how it plays out in court. No, I'm not a left winger, but I know there are always two or more sides to every story and just because someone is a cop I don't necessarily believe every word they say. You shouldn't either.

GrinchMaker
GrinchMaker

Would know how stupid you are? That's plain for all to see.

Sampson
Sampson

LOL...only a socialist like you would know :)

GrinchMaker
GrinchMaker

It's Soros, not Sorus. God you are dumb.

Sampson
Sampson

Opps..."utopian world where George Sorus is king for life"...even electricians make mistakes.

Sampson
Sampson

Hmmm not convicting Chrisman??? Let me repeat your exact quote from an earlier blog you posted here; "I think it stinks that Chrisman committed this act." And you're not convicting him...I'd hate to be any of the people that you ever investigated in your internal affairs position? As far as what I know and how I know it I simply read...a lot. I can do you one better than reading about it, how about listen to it with your own ears? When I first read this article I did some research and found the PLEA website. Its real easy "AZPLEA.com" Go there and look through a few of the previous postings and you'll find an audio tape of Officer Rude discussing the case in an interview with County Attorney Juan Martinez. In the tape he says Chrisman told him that Rodriguez was grabbing for his gun. LOL...I also like the part "I've been around cops long enough to say that sometimes they do really stupid things..." My, My don't we paint with a broad brush. Face it...your biased and you know it so go to bed and dream about your left wing utopian where George Sorus is ing for life.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Further, Sampson, I'm not 'convicting' anyone. Merely throwing out some thoughts based on what I've read in the media. Like you, I wasn't there so I can't factually say what I think might have happened. I've even said that I don't think Chrisman meant to pull the trigger, and I don't think it had anything to do with race. But, I've been around cops long enough to say that sometimes they do really stupid things that get them in tons of trouble. In my opinion, this is one of them. Disagree if you like, I will certainly respect your opinion, if not your position.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

I'm not aware a gun was being fought over. Perhaps your information, Sampson, is better than mine. We will see as time goes by. I've done internal affairs investigations, so I may be better versed and more objective that you. Especially if you are employed by PPD and listen to the internal gibberish of those who 'know'.

Chris
Chris

Tommy, you've been in shooting "situations" a number of times. Really? Or are you trying to pass yourself off as something you're not. I understand all too well about the investigative process after an officer involved shooting. What we're talking about here is whether this process was fair and complete, or whether errors were made and a conclusion was drawn too quickly. "Let the badge shine in their eyes?" Sounds like you got an axe to grind. And I'm basing that on your comments here and other stories.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Chris, I was in shooting situations a number of times in my career and know all about the nano second decision making. Even to the extent that once the shot is fired you always wonder if it was the right thing to do. Have you been in an actual shooting, Chris? Or is this something you've heard about? What you don't seem to understand is that EVERY cop shooting should be thoroughly investigated. Sometimes the cop simply is not justified in using deadly force. That may very well be the case in this situation. Yes, I do support cops until it becomes known that they've made bad decisions. Then, like everyone else, they have to deal with the circumstances. Some folks, and you may be among them, let the badge shine in their eyes and blind them from reality.

Chris
Chris

So in other words you support cops right up till the time that something bad happens? When that time comes you sit back on your wall look at the facts and pass your own judgement. The problem is that isn't how it happens for officers faced with these situations. It comes down to snap decisions most often in complex serious of events. You say look at the big picture. In the time it took you to look at your wonderful mosaic a cop just had to make a decision to pull the trigger or not.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Have you ever completed a police investigation of any type, Mr. Sampson? A complete investigation employs the devil's advocate, as well as the angel's friend. Both sides of the question need to be examined, Mr. Sampson. If we naively sit and read and believe everything that cops tell us, reporters write, and tv anchors read to us we will continue to be naive and believe the world really does have harmony in our bubble. As a cop you learn to believe about 50% of what you hear, question 25% and just ignore the remaining 25%. Jaded? Perhaps. But, as an electrician do you believe every other electrician who says a line is NOT energized? Or do you test it first before working on it? What happens that one time when the 208 3 phase line is actually energized and you start to make connections, based on the word of the 'other' guy?

Mr. Sampson, I expect some of you folks to be pissed because I question the veracity of other law enforcement officers. Yes, they need your support and my wife and I give ours. But I won't stop questioning these types of incidents anymore than I would stop watching officers on traffic stops to be sure they're ok.

Step back, Mr. Sampson, and take a good look at the big picture. Then mosey back up front and start working on details. It will change your perspective.

bobpomeroy
bobpomeroy

Thanks Tommy, for introducing a voice of reason

Sampson
Sampson

Tommy after reading biased input after biased input from you on this, I am convinced that you have spent some time with cops. In the back seat of their patrol cars... Enough with playing devils advocate on EVERYTHING!!!!! Look at every single one of my posts...based on what appears to be solid evidence that I'm reading and watching from various outlets. If you look at the facts, Taser deployed, pepper spray, mom says he uses drugs, Officer Rude saying Rodriguez grab Chrisman's gun (according to Chrisman) and even the Judge who stopped his firing who stated "on the record" that there seemed to be a likelyhood Chrisman would won his case then everyone should take a step back and let the system work...unlike you who makes statements like "I think it stinks that Chrisman committed this act" then claim to be fair and impartial...

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Bongo, you're not an officer but have been there with some. What exactly does that mean? Were you there at the time of this shooting? Or are you extrapolating based on what you might have heard during a ride-a-long or from another cop who is guessing at what may have happened?

 
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