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Chavezgrlsrbest 03/28/2012 2:46:00 AM
He needs to
Spend some time in his own jail with the same treatment!
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Ted 12/23/2011 7:53:00 AM
No, the sick pig Arpaio must spend the remainder of his life eating the same green bologna he feeds his prisoners. He must just as well never seeing any type of medical personnel when his huge belly gets a bit sour from that garbage he will be eating as well as feeding inmates. The man is a total psychopath and should never be allowed into the general population unless you .want to see him die in less than three minutes. No, very special consideration should determine which other of the various demented psychos in the population he will be able to live with as his cell mate. How about that fellow who murdered his cell mate. It would be fun to see how he will deal with I can't wait for his incarceration, but I'll bet that.there are quite a few of his residents who wait patiently for their face to face with this asshole.
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Lisapress 12/08/2011 8:07:00 AM
I was a friend to debbie she was always very kind to me i will miss her
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Scropos 06/24/2011 1:00:00 PM
Police are Gangsters thieves liars and murderers.
Why are they allowed flack jackets? Why would people they are supposed to protect and serve want to harm them?
Because they are gangsters thieves liars and murders
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06/11/2011 4:42:00 AM
Greenboy, Joe is more compatible to Pontius Pilatt, than to Jesus; don't forget he was considered by the authorities as a criminal & trouble maker who was repeatedly persecuted and arrested, then eventually executed. Sounds like Jesus would also be a modern victim and inmate of your hero Joe. Can you say "Hail Hitler Arpaio"?
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06/11/2011 4:33:00 AM
Spoken like another good german nazi..Can you say "Hail Hitler Arpaio"?
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06/11/2011 4:28:00 AM
Kind add mindless neanderthal fool to the title as well...Now thats much better.....
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06/11/2011 4:16:00 AM
Dude, do you at least have an elementary education? If so, reread the damn story where it clearly stipulates with numerous evidence (even in the county jail's previous arrest records) that she "Was" a "DIABETIC". Say if she was not one, should she (or anyone else) who is arrested for using drugs be allowed to die in jail by depraving her medical attention? Therefore, if your daughter is ever arrested in the future, you think denying her medical assistance & allowing her to die in jail is a fitting punishment for her "crime"?
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06/11/2011 3:54:00 AM
So you consider the testimonies of jail employees (nurses, correctional officers, the clinic doctor), federal over-site authorities who pulled the county jail's medical facility license because of repeated failures to correct atrocious violations/conditions as "hearsay"? You sir are an obvious idiot. I hope you or a love one of yours some day end up in such a despicable, cruel and torturous condition, then we'll see if you will have the same misguided opinion.
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02/15/2011 3:03:00 AM
OMG!!! You make me want to scream. Debbie did not die because she was using drugs!!!!! Lots of people use them and live. Debbie died because of the neglect of the MCSO and the jail. She was a diabetic that did not recieve care and that is what caused her death.
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guest 01/05/2011 4:03:00 PM
I was wrongfully accused of a crime and had to spend nine months in jail till I was eventually cleared. During that time I seen people treated like animals, health issues ignored, outbreaks of staph infection with little or no care given till the people were scarred for life. The worst thing is the starving. I spent 100$ a week to feed me and a few others because the food is inedible. Joe gets away with the required calorie count by serving fattened mashed potatoes with everything and makes profit with his emu farmed meat which is in everything. I dont know how you can screw up mashed potatoes or mac and cheese but it was disgusting, not even could you force yourself to eat it. Even with the money to buy snack ramen for a dollar a piece, I lost 50 lbs. They feed you two times a day if you're willing to eat it.
It is criminal to treat anyone in this matter but people (usually the fans of Joe Dirt) assume everyone is a rapist or murderer and cheers the torture they get. Most people are in for way less than that and some believe it or not are innocent. In my nine month stay there were 3 deaths due to negligence of medical needs that I witnessed first hand, more I just heard about.
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Ex MCSO employee 01/05/2011 2:22:00 PM
I worked for MCSO for 13 years from 1977-1991. I do not like Sheriff Joe BUT there has always been an issue with the lack of medical attenion. I saw nurses refuse to touch inmates and use rulers to push aside their hair or move clothing. I even had to give injections at times because Nurses refused to come near the inmate. Now some staff was good and wanted to do a good job but eventually they fell by the way side. Officers would often call medical and be told we are short staffed they will just need to wait.
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Motorcycle Bum 12/31/2010 7:58:00 PM
iI did 8 years and 9 month in prison years ago. you never get the medical help you need most of the time. you are ignored when you request it. get with the times all you naive ignorant spoiled white sheeple from the Lilly white suburbs. life is not fair in case you didn't notice yet. most of you live in a fantasy bubble world of make believe where everything is just fine. until you either become homeless or go to jail or prison. thats when you really learn about how uncaring humans really are. nobody knows you when your down and out. lyrics from an old blues song.
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Mjones 12/28/2010 6:41:00 AM
omg, is that all you got from the story. Don't do drugs? You gotta be kidding me. She didn't die from drug abuse. She died because she didn't get her Insulin!!!! Oh I know, if she hadn't been using drugs she wouldn't have been in that jail. I have news for you lady, just because you are in jail, doesn't mean you forfit the right to have medical needs taken care of. Pull you head out.
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Jsmith 12/28/2010 6:34:00 AM
I'm a paramedic and my husband a former Chief of Police and we both are horrified by this story. This is why police have such a bad reputation these days. This is NOT the way a jail should be run or the way medical staff should respond to medical complaints. Even as First Responders, (which has a state critia for training) training is adequate in how to identify patients in critical need. This is a case of chronic, widespread neglect and is not the standard of care. Anybody who had even the slightest contact with the inmate or heard a complaint from the other inmates is legally and morally bound to check out the inmate. Look at it this way, if you found a person lying on the sidewalk moaning, vomiting, deficating on themselves, and not responsive wouldn't a reasonable person (even with no medical training) call for help? Hell yes they would. To top it all off, once medical staff (and I use the word loosely) determined that she was unconscious and needed to go to the hospital, they called for a NON EMERGENCY ambulance. It's too bad some people can't be charged criminally for this. In any case, get rid of that sheriff, fire all staff involved in this incident, and pay her daughter!!! That's the least you can do!
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Auntie Adrian 12/24/2010 6:47:00 PM
When I was in school, they used to teach that this sort of thing happened in the Soviet Union, the only difference from what is described above being that in the USSR you might just disappear and your family and friends have no clue what had happened to you. I was taught a major difference between the US and the USSR was that in the US this sort of thing COULD NOT happen because we have the Constitution and laws protecting our citizens from bullies - even bullies holding governmental offices. Now Soviet citizens have governmental protections, and US citizens can be arrested and held under deplorable conditions, sometimes with no one even notified. The Soviets called it Glasnost, the US calls it the Patriot Act and defense against illegal immigration and criminals. I don't think the Founding Fathers would be amused.
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Flea Bailey 12/22/2010 11:45:00 PM
What would you and your lawyer do if someone brought a suit against you using this kind of unexamined, hearsay evidence? You'd just accept it with resignation? OK, guess I was wrong.
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Fromtheinside 12/22/2010 3:20:00 AM
Guess what I am one of those people that was all for what joe was doing untie I got cought in his system. I did the wrong thing at the wrong time. I spanked my child. Someone saw this and called 911. It was not said that I spanked my child it was reported that I beat my child with both hands. Not true. I told the officer that I spaked my child feeling at the time that I was with my perental rights. My child had a bruse on her butt and nothing else to substanciate beating her with both hands, but yet I was arrested. I was treated as if I got cought red handed molesting her. I was on the inside of the circus that joe has created. The people on the inside treated me better than our so called puplic servents. In joes land you are guilty until you are lucky enough to be proven inocent. Once you are convicted IN A COURT OF LAW then some of his metheds might be acceptible. I went through UNCONVICTED of the charges agensted me in what I will forever call Joes psyco circus. I wish that all the people that were like me and were all for Joe and what he is doing could just get themselves arrested for something minor just so they can go through the process and see if they still want this guy as sheriff. Again I want to say once convicted by a COURT OF LAW then yes some of the things I can see, but not until then. I feel really bad for the one guy who had lost his wallet and was pickup as illegal I know what you are thinking, but we were releast together and his wife was right there and he showed me his expired Az drivers licence. If you want to know what it is like read the blog they are not exagerating at all.
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Anon 12/18/2010 11:54:00 PM
aspiecelia, Well said and informative. This should be a wake-up call for the people of Arizona. This could happen to them.
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Anon 12/18/2010 11:51:00 PM
Lack of real information is what Arizona is all about. Thanks to the Phoenix New Times and their staff of investigative reporters, the public would hear nothing if it weren't for them.
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Anon 12/18/2010 11:49:00 PM
Frank, Outstanding comment that describes well, how Arizona operates and thinks. A truly sick society these sycophants have created.
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Anon 12/18/2010 11:44:00 PM
Most are "detainees" awaiting trial. Hope those drinking in the local bars, clubs and restaurants the Tourist Bureau and Chamber of Commerce want tourists to visit, wake up and realize this could happen to them, their family or friends. This is how Arizona makes it's $$$"s -- collecting Federal $$$'s for "violent" criminals.
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Anon 12/18/2010 11:35:00 PM
Arizona leads the way in cruel and inhumane treatment of women.
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Anon 12/18/2010 11:33:00 PM
Bobunf, Well said. You obviously get-it, while the ignorant citizenry does not.
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Anon 12/18/2010 11:32:00 PM
just a reminder -- Mississippi Governor Barbour wants to run for President. That should be a wake up call -- his failed state at the bottom in education, a poverty state and prison state. Is this who the Republicans think should run America "land of the free"?
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truthseeker 12/18/2010 11:27:00 PM
The standard operating procedure of cruel and inhumane treatment of detainees at the Maricopa County jails is a product of decades of a backward culture that also is behind the failed prisons at Abu Ghraib, Afghanistan and others. For more background, a must-read book: "Sunbelt Justice: Arizona and the Transformation of American Punishment" by Mona Lynch. Those who put these policies in place decades ago are still in "control" and refuse to bring Arizona into the 21st century. There's a reason they don't want the "torture memos" out in the public -- cruelty and inhumanity is rooted in the U.S. prison system, as the "land of the free" moved from slavery into another form of "control" -- mass incarceration.
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Ytuhty 12/15/2010 3:11:00 AM
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HeylipsforsuckingArpaiosdick 12/14/2010 10:40:00 PM
God your as dumb as they come, you must be a real Arizonian
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Savanna 12/14/2010 6:57:00 PM
I am sorry for your loss, hope all understand what drugs can do, even being in the company of others selling or doing them
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12/14/2010 9:00:00 AM
Um yes, that would be the simple solution in a normal county where the sheriff and his goons aren't corrupt! Here in AZ, you can ACTUALLY NOT DO A CRIME AND STILL GO TO JAIL! Keep voiting for Joe, eventually, it will happen to you too, and then we will all be telling you, "well, gee, don't do the crime!" ha ha ha ha
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12/14/2010 8:55:00 AM
Ok, and what happens when a trumped up charge gets brought up on you??? Or gee, you were in the wrong place at the wrong time???? Until you have even the slightest clue as to what goes on in there, shut your mouth. You are not going by any facts what so ever. Have you ever been out campng and pee'd in the bushes? Well, if someone should see you and report you, you will be arressted and be a convicted sex offender. Because the EX atty General Thomas, wanted to make himself look good....like he was actually cleaning up crime.....that didn't even exist. And boy, did all the naive public buy it. Boy, tell you guys anything, and you believe it. Do some research before you just up and vote for someone because they TOLD YOU HOW MUCH SO CALLED CRIME THEY CLEANED UP.
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12/14/2010 8:44:00 AM
REALLY??? So everyone on here that is against your opinion, is a convict? Not too bright are you?
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12/14/2010 8:41:00 AM
I agree with you, but obviously you are new to this, There are plenty of cameras in jails, but do you actually think Sheriff Joe is going to let anyone see them????
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12/14/2010 8:39:00 AM
FRANK, I LOVE YOU. YOU SHOULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT. NOW IF WE COULD JUST EDUCATE THOSE ILLITERATES OUT THERE.
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12/14/2010 8:37:00 AM
Thank you Dona, you give me hope that not everyone is an uneducated, sick and stupid person. You would think that prisons would want to make these non violent criminals a benefit to society, give corporations large tax breaks for hiring the felon, and then the felon pays taxes and becomes a functioning member of society. But NO, the prisons would stand to lose too much money. It's all about money to those greedy bastards, and unfortunately there is far tooo many of them out there.
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12/14/2010 8:31:00 AM
what yours? YOU are truly the dumbass. Educate yourself before you open your pie hole. That is, if you CAN read.
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12/14/2010 8:28:00 AM
lets see how much of a hero he is to you, when you wind up in jail on some trumped up charges, Oh wait, YOU'RE QUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.
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12/14/2010 8:26:00 AM
Yeah, then you can be his queen. Ignorance must really bliss. Let's see what happens if you or one of your loved ones end up in there someday. We treat terrorists better in Guantanamo Bay then we do here. Until you educate yourself and actually know WHAT you're talking about, don't open your mouth.
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12/14/2010 8:17:00 AM
Sorry Donmar, it didn't even shock or surprise me. This goes on all the time. Fortunately, she had loved ones who were able to get it out to the public. Sooo many times, inmates die with no loved ones, therefore, no one ever hears aboout it, AND THINK that everything is just hunky dorey over there in jail, and that Sheriff Joe is actually doing his job.! I hope in my lifetime, I finally see this man and all his goons get what they deserve.
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12/14/2010 8:12:00 AM
Thank you Myree, but unfortunately, there are so many uneducated people out there that don't any research out there before they vote on anything. It scares me to death the more and more I read comments on articles like this. I knew there were some ignorant people out there, but I never imagined the enormous amount.
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12/14/2010 8:08:00 AM
OMG, HOW IGNORANT CAN YOU BE? COULD YOU PLEASE ACTUALLY EDUCATE YOURSELF ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH? PEOPLE ARE PROVEN INNOCENT UNTIL GUILTY. NOT TO MENTION ALL THE TRUMPED UP CHARGES EX (THANK GOD) ATTY GENERAL THOMAS MADE UP TO PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL, THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE.
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12/14/2010 8:05:00 AM
EXCUSE ME, WHERE IN THE HELL DID IT SAY SHE WAS USING METH? AND EVEN IF SHE WAS USING METH, SHE DESERVES HELP, REAHB, NOT PRISON. GET A FRICKEN CLUE. I HOPE LIPS4KISSING2, I HOPE YOU GET SOME DISEASE FROM KISSING 2 AND END UP IN SHERIFF JOES, SO I CAN LAUGH AT YOU AS YOU SUFFER.
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12/14/2010 8:01:00 AM
Why this article would even SURPRISE ANYONE IS BEYOND ME. THIS HAPPENS DAY IN AND DAY OUT. THE ONLY REASON THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT, IS BECAUSE SHE HAD PEOPLE WHO LOVED HER. OTHERWISE, SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN BURIED AND AND NEVER EVEN MADE THE NEWS. ACTUALLY THE ONLY HELP YOU DO GET IS FROM THE INMATES. WAKE THE FUCK UP ARIZONA.
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12/14/2010 5:45:00 AM
well lips it says right in the story the women was in the condition she was in because she was an insulin dependent diabetic who hadnt had her insulin. diabetes is not a death sentence. all the diabetic has to do is take here insulin. thats kind of hard to do when your locked up in the mcso with a bunch of idiots in charge
they should have got her to medical care for the lack of insulin that a health care professional could have addressed and the PROFESSIONAL in the first page sez anyone withdrawing from drugs should have medical attention. it says right in the article she was in the shape she was in because of the fact she hadnt had her insulin. you can say what you want the facts have already been ascertained. this is typical for mcso. it says right in the article the officers heard her puking and knew she was sick and figured she deserved the condition she was in because of drug withdrawal. what they didnt know it was insulin she needed. you need to apply for job at the mcso youd fit right in
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Tr7fan 12/14/2010 5:37:00 AM
i really hope they fry the mcso for this. this is just plain stupid and inhumane. the cost of a visit to the infirmary vs the cost of a lawsuit in negligible .
maybe its because i have diabetes myself that im so sensitivef.
ive sat here for hours wondering what i did to get it. i guess it all started when my cardiologist told me to quit walking till they found out what was wrong with my hart. later that year my primary care told me i was pre diabetic. i should have quit chowing down the sweets i guess. its always easy to monday morning quarterback.i treat my dogs better than this woman was treated. to the family i offer my condolences to mcso i offer nothing !
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Lips4kissing2 12/14/2010 3:38:00 AM
Now the whole story..... the daughter fails to say mom was a meth head!!!!!! My daughter is a meth head and I have no use for that drug!!!!!!! It destroyed my life and hers!!!!
So thats why she was in jail!!!!!!!! IM SO MAD at these do gooders!!!! She would be home in bed now if she wasnt a meth addict!!!!!! She wasnt a diabetic she was a meth head!!!
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Lips4kissing2 12/14/2010 3:27:00 AM
First why was she in jail to begin with? We all know "you do the crime you do the time" If she obeyed the law she would not have been in the rat trap........ do people think jail is a resort? or trip to CanCun? Yes its sad , she should have got medical treatment but the guards are so used to seeing lying junkies and meth heads , they become numb. there should be a medical unit for diabetics only.
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Myree Manes 12/13/2010 10:10:00 PM
You dont ever want to know what goes on in the jail system. Its so much more than anyone could fathom! : (
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123fakeemail 12/13/2010 9:54:00 PM
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Donmar 12/13/2010 6:46:00 PM
After reading this account I find myself asking how could any group of individuls placed in charge of others be so totally criminal in not following the most basic human instinct which is to help someone in need. It seems to me that the guards and other staff members in charge at the jail along with Sheriff Arprio surely must be held accountable for their behavior.
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Nospam 12/13/2010 5:18:00 PM
Took me forever to get the story behind the story in this rambling article. Ever heard of "just the facts please"?
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12/13/2010 3:10:00 PM
joelover, you need a bit, just a tiny bit, of real life experience.
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Coz 12/13/2010 5:13:00 AM
Nicely said Mistalee
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12/13/2010 1:14:00 AM
Careful, Joe. Given that you are an obvious functional illiterate, I would guess that YOU are one of the "low-lifes." You surely cannot have attained any high station in life. You should be more sympathetic towards your own.
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12/13/2010 1:14:00 AM
Careful, Joe. Given that you are an obvious functional illiterate, I would guess that YOU are one of the "low-lifes." You surely cannot have attained any high station in life. You should be more sympathetic towards your own.
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looney supporter of law 12/12/2010 10:26:00 PM
Yep thats right! im a looney because I support law and order instead of low life losers like you! Ill take the title with pride!
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Joelover 12/12/2010 10:23:00 PM
WHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! there being mean to the low life's of society, WHAAAAA were a third world country!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking simpletons!
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12/12/2010 4:17:00 PM
Deaf, dumb and blind, no. Inbred, retarded, neo-nazis? Yes.
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12/12/2010 4:16:00 PM
"Why is it that the vast majority of people support Arpaio...?"
Because it is Maricopa county and the supporters are either two weeks older than God himself, and hopelessly senile, or the inbred descendants of white-trash dumbfucks whose grandparents were dustbowlers too fucking stupid to make it to California.
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12/12/2010 4:13:00 PM
Funny that you are so detatched from reality that you don't understand most people in a county jail haven't been convicted of anything, they are AWAITING TRIAL.
Are you the offspring of siblings? Any branches on your family tree? Do you have a sister-mom?
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12/12/2010 4:12:00 PM
Beyond that, this woman had been arrested, that's all. In a legal system founded on the premise that one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This was an extralegal execution by neglect of an innocent woman.
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12/12/2010 4:10:00 PM
Moral of the story? He's an average Mesa resident.
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12/12/2010 4:09:00 PM
This, unfortunately, does not seem to be atypical for the American penal system. Ironic, we pride ourselves as being the best country in the world, shining light of democracy, beacon on a hill, yaddah, yaddah, and yet our so-called "criminal justice system" exposes the USA as being a third-world shithole.
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12/12/2010 3:13:00 PM
Wow, an amazing article about prisoner abuse in Arizona. Since it describes almost exactly the treatment I observed and experienced of prisoners who need medical help it triggered my PTSD. I am very thankful this truth is being told. They have a Joe running the prison system in AZ just like we do here in Alaska, Sarah Palin’s ex-boyfriend. I saw women having seizures, going cold turkey, throwing up and pooping all over themselves. At least in AZ the C.O.s gave them clean clothes, they refused to here. They don’t respond to requests for medical care and also disappear paperwork. They also put those who write grievances about not getting medical care into administrative segregation here. They refused to give me my medication and were quite abusive as well as incompetent. I saw a woman chained to the floor in the mental health unit. There is a man who died in a Colorado private prison who is an Alaska inmate named Shandy. The ACLU in AK told me info about what happened is protected due to privacy issues. The ACLU in Colorado was confused and thought it happened in AK. My FOIA request was turned down. They made a statement that the original autopsy supposedly found nothing and the toxicology was pending. Notice privacy did not kick in until toxicology results. At one of the four jails and prison I was in (they moved me around and lied about where I was going) the inmate in the cell next to me was found down. The C.O.s had not been watching her, they spent their time harassing me and goofing around. Their response was indicative of lack of training. She left on a cart intubated. I worked with mentally ill legal offenders for years, I also volunteered at a prison and then later worked as a nurse in two prisons in WA for a short time I have an idea of how things are to be done. Nothing is up to par in AK or AZ. This article speaks to the fact that prison staff assumes everything that goes on with inmates is about drugs and they are lying about everything. Prison guards get a few weeks of training. Why are they making medical judgments on inmates?
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LooneyToonsForArpaio 12/12/2010 6:19:00 AM
I see the Arpaio's loony toon supporters are out of the mental institution early today.
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Sheriff Joe Luver 12/11/2010 11:08:00 PM
I moved to Phoenix Because! of Sheriff Joe! I left that fucked up extension of Mexico formerly known as CA, why don't all you bleeding heart losers go there!. Oh I know why because the state of CA is BROKE no hand out money there anymore to many illegals gobbled that up already, so oh well I guess My hero! Sheriff Joe Wins! again. God I love him wish we could just make him king of AZ, yeah! how beautiful! KING JOE ARPAIO! I like that!
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Greenboy 12/11/2010 11:00:00 PM
I would vote for sheriff Joe to take over for Jesus Christ himself if Jesus gave up the post, And I mean that. Sheriff Joe is my! hero and the hero of all law! abiding citizens. So too all you bleeding heart lefties, WHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
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Michelle Spegar 12/11/2010 3:57:00 PM
The people that work at that Estrella jail are heartless. Being locked in that disgusting place is punishment enough without having to be victimized by the psychologically defective detention officers and staff. What right do they have to allow such inhumane treatment of people?
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Luvs2dance 12/11/2010 9:11:00 AM
my mother worked in the county jails for years in the 90's. But because of all the politics she didn't agree with she moved to Juvie. Where to her astonishment it was no better. She was respected by both inmate and officers for her fair treatment of the inmates. She was always nice but not a pushover. She treated everyone with respect but could be hard when it was needed. She often came home with handmade cards by the inmates. Anyways my point is all the good officers leave because they are so outnumbered and the politics are horrible. I do agree with some aspects of Joe's changes as in they are there because they broke a law so yes they don't need it to be a stay at a holiday inn but I do think they should be treated as human beings.... somewhere in the middle would be nice.
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TeoBuneo 12/11/2010 3:43:00 AM
The hell you aren't a criminal. Anyone who supports the thieving criminal Joe Arpaio has joined his criminal conspiracy. Allowing the monster to pervert justice and steal 60 million dollars from taxpayerscertainly will be looked at as a criminal conspirator by the judge hearing your case not to mention all your neighbors, lil dickhead!
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TeoBuneo 12/11/2010 3:32:00 AM
Are you a junkie or just retarded?
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TeoBuneo 12/11/2010 3:29:00 AM
There is a special place in hell reserved for Joe, the murderer, Arpaio and his minions at the sheriffs department as well as all those demented jail detention monsters, most especially Dennis Willencheck who has already been deemed Joes butt boy squeeze through all eternity!
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Rumi the Dummy 12/10/2010 10:39:00 PM
Then Bye Bye
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get real, the real dumb ass 12/10/2010 10:38:00 PM
You certainly are one of the dumb mother fuckers Ing is talking about, that's for sure.
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get real 12/10/2010 3:51:00 PM
your a dumbass. your moms a dumbass. your dads a dumbass. worst of all, any offspring you may have are going to be dumbasses. moral of the story? eat a dick.
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Brian W 12/10/2010 3:13:00 PM
I think what we are getting is a picture painted of the story which, you're right, didn't happen recently. At the time it happened I'm sure there wasn't much to write about, no evidence had been released from Arpaio (as per usual) and the large collection of statements were not available. Its better late than never that Deborah's death is recognized by us readers.
BTW, a search on NT for "Deborah Braillard" shows an interesting history with this case. Search on Google and you'll see that no media outlets took any real notice to this case till years after it happened, likely because of a lack of real information.
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Joe 12/10/2010 1:10:00 PM
Perhaps Lil_player777 has a point. Let's use those in jail (especially those just awaiting trial and therefore presumed innocent) for whatever we want. let's make snuff films - "DON'T COMMIT CRIME" - let's open a brothel - "DON'T COMMIT CRIME" - let's have death-cage matches - "DON'T COMMIT CRIME"
The simple truth is that we all agree a level of care is due prisoners. The debate is where to draw the line. Lil_player777 draws the line at letting the sick die. As such, there is no reason anyone should pay her any attention.
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Ing 12/10/2010 7:51:00 AM
The only reason why Joe the Ego is still in power is because of you dumb mother fukcers :) I love having a fukcing nazi in power, just shows how much of Az is run by the Repubes of the Middle
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Coz 12/10/2010 5:06:00 AM
Very true...reading about Arpaio's Goons killing another person is just that, old news...so is the 44 million Bozo Joe has cost the tax payers, which is nothing with what's still to come.
Yup, MCSO causing the death of people is just old news, that just continues to happen.
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Big_player777 12/10/2010 4:59:00 AM
You really are a dumb fuck, huh ?
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Rumi 12/10/2010 1:27:00 AM
This is an OLD article. Don't you think it's time to change it? Your anti-Arpaio bias is well noted. No objective reporting here.
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Joe 12/10/2010 12:47:00 AM
yup, you sure sound like an intelligent person (sarcasm)
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Joe 12/10/2010 12:46:00 AM
Funny how people who support Arpaio fail basic logic and are prone to hyperbole.
How many people in these jails are just awaiting trial, and are as a matter of law to be treated innocent. More or less than 50-percent? Don't like treated the accused as innocent, then take your America-bashing ass to some other country.
You have, however, had a bad experience with MCSO. When the recidivism rate doesn't drop, and convict commits more crime, you get the bad experience. When your tax dollars go to fund $43MM in settlements, you have a bad experience.
And G-d forbid you ever have someone you love wrongfully accused ... there are no atheist in fox holes.
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Frank 12/09/2010 11:09:00 PM
Dona,
It would be nice if prisons were rehabilitation centers, but they are not and we the public have made them that way.
By the public's demand for tougher stances on crimes, (crimes hyped out of proportion in the last 2 decades by 24 hours news services in most cases), for pushing for mandatory sentencing for an ever increasing list of offenses, we the American public have turned incarceration into revenge instead of rehabilitation.
With that in mind we the American public paved the way for privatization of the incarceration system where corporation make more money for more bodies they house.
This in turn gives those same companies the money to lobby for stiffer sentencing and MORE mandatory sentences for even more offenses further increasing the money they make, which in turn allows those same companies to create shadow companies that artificially inflate statistics that then get reported by the 24 hour news networks, which in turns drives the public paranoia higher and they then demand even stricter sentencing guidelines from their lawmakers, which in turns feeds more money into the hands of the Privatizes. It is a never ending self feeding loop.
We in America have basically returned incarceration back to pre-victorian times where the money lenders/makers are dictating who gets thrown into incarceration so they can make money.
Don't think it is so, then just follow the money trail on any of the prisons or their vendors.
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Frank 12/09/2010 10:52:00 PM
So lil,
You state "Dont like how Arpaio treats you? DONT COMMIT CRIME, plain and simple."
Does this mean that you are OK with Abuse by care takers to those who are powerless to care for themselves?
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12/09/2010 10:34:00 PM
This is just awful! Just because you are in jail doesn't mean that you don't deserve medical treatment and to be ignored - and Being a Drug addict doesn't make u a criminal, it is a sickness. You may do criminal type things as an addict but you still deserve to be seen if you have a medical condition. Jail/Prison is suppose to rehabilitate people so they can rejoin society - not be treated like caged animals which bring out the worst in human nature.
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Lil_player777 12/09/2010 9:43:00 PM
yup, you sure sound like a law abiding citizen (sarcasm)
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Lil_player777 12/09/2010 9:42:00 PM
Nope, Im just a law abiding citizen. Funny all these comments about "F" the police, why, because you commited a crime and were arrested?!?!? Why is it that the vast majority of people support Arpaio and law enforcement? Answer, because the vast majority of people in AZ are not criminals and are sick and tired of those who do commit crimes. Dont like how Arpaio treats you? DONT COMMIT CRIME, plain and simple. I have never had an bad experience with MCSO, why? Because I am not a criminal. I'm more than sure I would hate to be in MC Jail, but I will never have to worry about that because, hey, Im not a criminal.
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TapesDestroyed 12/09/2010 9:39:00 PM
Camera's are there, problem is, as always, tapes were erased long ago that would have shown the brutality of MCSO...history has proven that already.
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Ra Vae 12/09/2010 9:32:00 PM
This is uphauling. How is it that we are asked to have faith in the system when the system is obviously broken? And how is it that an inmate can be denied medical treatment when it is obvious there is an immediate need for help? Aren't there cameras in jail and can't we prove wrong doing?
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Big_player777 12/09/2010 9:16:00 PM
And those that praise Arpaio's murdering ways work for him and just a corrupt as he is.
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Lil_player777 12/09/2010 9:03:00 PM
Funny how the only people that hate/complain about MCSO are convicts themselves.
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Lil_player777 12/09/2010 8:59:00 PM
SIMPLE SOULITION: DONT COMMIT CRIME AND GO TO JAIL.
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Coz 12/09/2010 8:44:00 PM
This County is full of fucking idiots, voting idiots to boot.
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Coz 12/09/2010 8:40:00 PM
Yup, all 3 to be exact
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MCSOfullofnothingbutPigs 12/09/2010 8:38:00 PM
Fucking MCSO Pigs, fuck those pieces of shit.
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DDK 12/09/2010 8:19:00 PM
The evidence just keeps mounting that Arpaio and his staff are brutal, incompetent and power hungry...and YET...he keeps getting re-elected. What is wrong with the people in this state? Are they deaf, dumb and blind?
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Coz 12/09/2010 8:12:00 PM
It's been more than obvious for many years now that Arpaio and his Goons could care less how many people they kill, hurt or have maimed, it time they start suffering the consequences of their actions.
They have gotten away with murder long enough.
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Dianegirk 12/09/2010 6:18:00 PM
Something needs to be done with Joe Arpaio, To put it bluntly he's killing Arizona! To many people have died under the hands of Joe Arpaio & his goons also. So what if these people are in jail, they are still human. People make mistakes, we are not perfect, but to pay for that mistake with your life? Who the hell made Joe Arpaio judge & jury? That man is all about himself, so in no way should he be in charge of anyone, not even inmates.Even the people higher up coward to him so I believe there all linked together for their own gain.I don't believe their are any good people who work in his jail, cause to me if you work for Joe, your just another one of his puppets.When are the people who can get him out, going to get a backbone & do it? How many more deaths & millions of dollars is it going to take? If someone put a bullit in his head, they'd be doing Arizona a favor! Open your eyes people JOE ARPAIO is rotten to the core!!!!!!!!!!!