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stopthismadness.org 03/05/2012 5:26:00 AM
The US Border Patrol has been harassing my family since we moved to Southern California over two years ago.
We are US born citizens from Puerto Rican ascent.
On 3/3/12, while I was driving home with my 69 year old mother, a Border Patrol unit stopped my son less than half a mile from our home in Boulevard, CA, for the second time this month. I stopped to ask them why where they harassing us again.
The officer told me to get back to my car; I complied.
The officer told me to get in the car; I complied.
The officer told me to close the door and i told him that I wanted to be able to see what they were doing to my son because I couldn't trust them.
At the point he told me to get out of the car and that I was under arrest. I asked him: "What are you doing this to us? We live here. We are decent members of this community. I only want to know why you guys keep harassing us every day? He told me to turn around and put my hands behind my back. I kept asking him: "What are you doing? I just want to know why you guys keep harassing us." He pulled out his tazer. I asked him: "What, are you going to taze me?"...
With his shaking hand, he calmly stepped back and fired. While I was being shocked and on the ground, he kept telling me to put my hands behind my back. I could not comply with his order because I was being tazed at the moment. Then, he pulled the trigger another time and ordered me to put the hands behind my back. I yelled "I can't move!"
He stopped shocking me and I was arrested. They handcuffed me so tight that I still can't feel my right thumb. I was taken to a detention center in Pine Valley, CA and booked.
At that point I realized my best alternative was to stay calm, and not say a word.
When I was on the ground handcuffed, a lot of Border Patrol officers started to congregate in the area. One went to the officer who was talking to my son and asked: "What happened here? Did we Tazed someone here?" The officer next to my son's car replied, yes we did; to what the inquiring officer replied: "Wow cool, that's awesome!" Another of the officers nearby added: "Sweet!"
My mother and my son followed the Border Patrol cars to the detention center and called my wife from the road.
They all got to the detention center at the same time.
My wife started asking the officers if they had checked my blood pressure because I have a heart condition.
They had indeed checked it and it was 260/110. My wife demanded that they take me to a hospital and one of the officers said that he was an EMT and that the blood pressure was actually normal.
My wife told him he was incorrect and that if they refused to take me to the hospital, she was going to stand in front of the building, call 911 and when they arrive she was going to let them know that her husband was being detained inside the Pine Valley Border Patrol Detention Center and denied medical assistance.
They immediately called 911.
I was checked by paramedics of CalFire and EMTs and after performing an on-site EKG they determined that my heart beat was off and the blood pressure too high.
I was placed on a gurney and in the ambulance. After we start moving, we were stopped, and another Border Patrol agent opens the door and asks the EMT if it is OK if he handcuffs me. The EMT replied that it wasn't necessary but that it was up to him. I was again handcuffed. I asked the officer if he could please not tighten the cuffs so much, that i could barely feel my thumb, and he looked at me and gave the cuffs yet another click.
More to come
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Dumoudan 10/12/2011 6:30:00 PM
All Illegal aliens should be allowed to apply for work permits but only while they are outside the United States in their home countries. This type of program (guest workers) has worked very well for many years in economically successful places such as Switzerland, Singapore to name a few. Once their work visa expires they must immediately leave the country. If the females become prgnant, they are immediately returned to their home country. commit any violation of ANY law (even "J" walking) and they are deported. If they attempt to re-enter the US illegaly, they are automatically placed on a list of permanently banned from entry into the US. Are you with us?
Just enforce the Immigration Laws and treat all people who want to enter the US fairly. Don't show preference to those that entered illegally. Justice for all?
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06/23/2011 10:40:00 AM
all of this can be avoided why don't all the concerned citizen for the illegals go to the border and keep them on the Mexican side and help them make change in their own country. and stop trying to push these law breakers down America's throat ?
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Danieljoeoconnor 04/16/2011 3:23:00 AM
arizona is becoming pretty brutal. i spent a summer in tucson. it's a resort/university town with a high 4000 ft. desert climate at it's best even in summer with frequent refreshing afternoon monsoon rains. why and how mean repubs. take over so many nice paces is a puzzle to me.
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David Brookbank 02/19/2011 5:35:00 PM
The US Border Patrol has a documented history of abuse and corruption:
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/June/10-crt-657.html
Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, June 3, 2010
Border Patrol Agent Pleads Guilty to Civil Rights Violation
WASHINGTON – U.S. Border Patrol Agent Eduardo Moreno pleaded guilty today in federal court in Tucson, Ariz., to a federal criminal civil rights charge for assaulting a Mexican national who was in his custody, the Justice Department and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Arizona announced today. Sentencing has been scheduled for Aug. 12, 2010.
The underlying incident occurred on May 10, 2006, while Moreno was on duty at the U.S. Border Patrol Processing Center in Nogales, Ariz. During the plea proceedings and in documents filed in court, Moreno admitted that while escorting the victim at the center, he kicked the victim, struck him in the stomach with a baton, threw him down to ground, and punched him, all without any legitimate law enforcement reason to use force. As a result of the defendant’s actions, the victim suffered bodily injury.
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Sammendoza70 01/14/2011 9:37:00 PM
anchor babies?arent you a anchor babie?im sure your ancestors came from Europe.And if u dont like it move back to Europe!!! because native Americans and Mexican are the true Americans!!!
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Sammendoza70 01/14/2011 9:01:00 PM
Hey dumb a#!*s bob isnt that what the Eurpeans did to the Native Americans and Mexican indians?They stole our land entered ILLEGALY,raped ,killed,tortured and slavery!!!!If u European ancestors would of FIXED your country we of been free of racists like U!!!!
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Sammendoza70 01/14/2011 8:53:00 PM
Native Americans and mexican indians are the TRUE AMERICANS.Europeans stole land and entered ILLEGALY!! Plain and simple
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Americans First 01/13/2011 10:32:00 PM
Not much I can add, Shannon and Bob pretty much covered everything every American is probably thinking. I can't feel sorry for someone who knowing committed a crime by coming here either. I am sick or all the sob stories that is suppose to make us American turn a blind eye, and continue to let these invaders continue to abuse our laws, the 14th amendment and whatever else they can get away with.
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Shannon 01/13/2011 5:28:00 AM
It's sympathizers like you that are making it hard for the over 70% of Americans that want the illegal’s gone and their anchor babies. I guess you think people shouldn't take responsibility for their actions or their surroundings, and criminals should run free. Why stay and fix your own country when you can run across the border pop out a baby and now your child is funded by some poor American sap that has been paying taxes and the generations that paid taxes before them. In the USA legal and illegal immigrants get all the benefits while US citizens are losing benefits and getting poorer. Thanks to illegal aliens and our corporation bought government the USA is slated to become a 2nd world then 3rd world country. As for ever needing Mexico’s help, give me a break. Mexico can’t even control their own country and as far as Mexico is concerned big bad America is the cause of all their problems. They can’t even take responsibility for the plight of their own people. Money sent from illegal’s in this country, all of which never got taxed to help pay for their anchor babies, is Mexico’s second largest income for their economy the first of which is monies from drug cartels. Grow a brain and learn some facts Illegal’s are steeling our jobs, breaking our law’s and lowering our property values. Check out Numbers USA if you want to learn the truth about what’s really going on and how illegal immigration is destroying what’s left of this country. We have enough trash to deal with we don’t need the rest of the worlds trash. You make me sick. If you are a citizen you should be charged with treason and locked up.
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Guest 01/06/2011 5:50:00 PM
Frank asked the original poster:
"Please define the part of illegal that you are referencing.
The part where undocumented people are violating a civil ordinance, much like getting a ticket for being at a parking meter when the time expires.
OR
the part where people are beaten to death, raped or tortured because they have violated a civil ordinance."
Frank was obviously stating that under Federal statutes Migrants with out documentation are by establish Standards subjected to Civil penalties and that article points out that SOME migrants have been beaten to death, raped and tortured by BAD apples in the Boarder Patrol for those same violations of a CIVIL offense.
You then countered by listing:
"How about... the part where the guy was strung out on drugs? Or the part where the guy try to stab the patrol officier in the eye? Or the part where the guy raped a 5 year ol in the bathroom right before the cops took him?"
You were comparing (for the most part) violent crimes that are by established standards prosecuted with CRIMINAL penalties.
You expressed that the punishments that were suffered by the migrants at the hands of the boarder patrol was in line/ appropriate for their offense. SO, It is OK to rape, torture and kill people who Violate a statute that is normally dealt with in a civil manner.
Since the death penalty is not given for drug use/ assault or pedophilia then we can reason that you brought up those crimes was that you thought they should be treated the same as the migrants were treated at the hands of the bad apple Boarder Patrol agents.
Since the migrants violated a statute that are subjected to civil penalties you equated Drug use/assault and pedophilia to being the same as a civil violation or in other words raping a child is the same as staying at a parking meter too long.
There I just broke down Franks, yours and my posts for you.
You really need to be more careful on how you word things there byte rider
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Guest 01/06/2011 5:01:00 PM
So in a place where Immigrants have no easy way to access employers MUST use Citizens to do the work.
Also remember that sugar companies are given HUGE government subsides so the pay differences between Citizen and and migrant worker is offset by theses subsides and do not impact the sugar producers profits.
So your argument is that for Companies to hire to US citizens to do the jobs that migrant workers are doing the government must provide them with subsides coming out of the taxpayers pocket instead of Companies stockholders taking LESS in payouts to pay a wage that US Citizens will work for.
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Guest 01/06/2011 4:48:00 PM
From various news agency's we had a report of 1 Boarder Patrol Agent was killed.
So that is a known fact.
In the Story we have reports of 2 people being killed while dealing with the Boarder patrol.
Both of those are backed up by various news agency's as well.
Drummer was asked to
"You do the math and tell me which number is higher - CONGRATS you just answered your own question."
Well lets see here 2 dead people is a higher number of dead people then 1 dead person who belonged to the Boarder Patrol.
You then replyed with:
"There's no math to do, Guest, all you're repeating is IMAGINARY NUMBERS. "
All numbers given have been verified by separate news sources.
So Please byte explain WHAT imaginary numbers you are talking about?
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BeGreat 01/05/2011 8:49:00 PM
Do you not know how to read? That's what the Country reported. Obviously he did not die of a heart attack, methamphetamine and blood pressure and just it all happened to coincidentally coincide with a brutal beating and high voltage of electricity lol. Best get back to them colleges boy!
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Carree 01/05/2011 5:36:00 PM
LOL Enter this country illegally? Ummm who were here first, their ancestors or ours? Who entered illegally? Come on, you know we did!!!
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Carree 01/05/2011 5:35:00 PM
You know Bob, you and the border patrols sicken me. God forbid we EVER have to ask Mexico to let us come in for any reason. I hope you are the one who has to ask first!
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Guest 01/04/2011 5:02:00 PM
You're attempting to create an argument out of thin air, Drummer.. you've done that on other messages here on this blog... stop it, it's annoying and childish. There's plenty of REAL things to argue about, not your made up "so 1 dead agent is imaginary?" baloney.
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Guest 01/04/2011 4:58:00 PM
Hawaii, Pineapple & sugar cane... same sort of grinding work yet they have NO illegal aliens working those fields, they have AMERICANS.
Next.
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Guest 01/04/2011 4:56:00 PM
So?
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Guest 01/04/2011 4:56:00 PM
Huh? Did the cheese fall off your cracker, Guest? Looks like you're attempting to put words in my mouth and then argue against them... maybe you should look into other hobbies?
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Guest 01/04/2011 4:52:00 PM
I dunno, Ted, "Fuck you" says a lot if you think about it :-)
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Guest 01/04/2011 4:52:00 PM
Huh?
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Guest 01/04/2011 4:49:00 PM
"A: No, given that they lifted him like a rag doll, moved him to a hidden location, laid him down and then resumed kicking his ass, then, no, I did not -- and need not -- consider the trite excuse-of-last-resort that is "the drugs gave him superhuman power.""
Oh.. so when they moved him to the "secret" location and continued "kicking his ass", you were right there to witness it, right? I mean, afterall, you seem to know he was getting his "ass kicked"... or are you just being hyperbolas?
As far as PNT LYING in other stories, I already gave references out to that... [see other messages here on this blog...]
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01/02/2011 6:45:00 PM
You remind me of something my Cat HACKED UP the other day.America could certainly do without Traitors like you. Move to Mexico, and take your Nasty Family with you. Love Bob
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01/02/2011 6:40:00 PM
Now that we`re busy feeling terrible for the Mexican Trash, caught ILLEGALLY ENTERING AMERICA, Lets try and answer this. Where is the DAMN OUTRAGE over the Millions of American Citizens who have suffered the Terrible Abuses at the hands of these Uninvited Leeches. DailfyAmerican Citizens are Murdered, Raped, Tortured, Robbed, Beaten, Burglarized, Maimed or killed by Mexicans Driving Drunk. This Trash Abuses All Americans Financially and all we can think about is The Minority of these Illegals having a tough day breaking into America. They Break into America and then Burglarize it Daily. Our sympathies lie in the wrong direction. Not one single bit of their mistreatment would occur had they not been comitting a criminal act to begin with.Screw their Sad Little Stories, They are Fuc--ng Killing Our Country.
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Ar15-nut 01/01/2011 6:25:00 PM
He got what he deserved. You enter into this country illegally you deserve what you get. If people don't like it they can leave my country. To many of my brothers in arms have died protecting this country and stupid people to give it up to people that don't belong here.
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Methhater 01/01/2011 3:03:00 PM
Uhhh, Methamphetamine!!! Duh!!
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Vote Yes: Amnesty For Illegals 12/31/2010 4:35:00 AM
Don't fear "illegals," embrace them. It will only take a couple hundred years to forget that our current "illegal" population was actually "illegal" at one point in time. After all, who remembers that Anglos were descendants of illegal European wetbacks that crossed the Atlantic and porked-out millions of spoiled rotten anchor babies that infected the indigenous peoples with chicken pox and measles, destroyed the environment, and became mercenaries for Zionist pigs.
We should have never taught your ancestors how to take a bath...not only did they steal the water, they took the land.
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Vote Yes: Amnesty For Illegals 12/31/2010 4:27:00 AM
There is no such thing as breaking and entering if the entire property is not fenced in...read your property laws fool
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Grisslypop1 12/29/2010 10:00:00 PM
Heh, heh, heh! The ones that are letting the smugglers through are the border patrol, for a fee, or a piece, or a piece of ass from the product that that is being smuggled. It is called abuse of power. These border patrol gangsters are worse than Mexican cops.
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Grisslypop1 12/29/2010 9:54:00 PM
You darki are an asshole.
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Darkitec 12/28/2010 6:44:00 PM
No matter how many times you try to hide it, these are illegals, they are breaking and entering this country without authorization. They are not immigrants.
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Mrfollis 12/28/2010 4:37:00 PM
You sir are a moron.
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30YearNavyGuy 12/27/2010 4:23:00 PM
Mayberryrctc,
You state "Should the Border Patrol agents brutalize the ones they catch, NO, but it's a very tough job with every bleeding heart moron who will believe the illegal first over the agents."
Do you honestly believe that nothing should be done to minimize or eliminate acts of brutality committed by federal agents?
You say give them 100% of the support they need and I totally agree. You then go on to say that they should be believed over those they capture, there I have to disagree with you completely. ALL federal agents need to be above reproach in their personal and professional behavior. All interactions between agents and the public/detainees need to be in full view of video and recording devices. All allegations of wrong doings need to be investigated immediately and fully, video and audio recordings would make this a simple matter and easily done and the agents reputation cleared.
I am very aware of human trafficking for the intent of sexual slavery, seeing as I have been involved in numerous interdiction's on the high seas where the US Navy has rescued more then 500 women of all nationalities from being subjected to that form of abuse.
The point I was attempting to make to the jarhead is that he seems think (as you also appear to as well) think that rape of fellow service members is completely acceptable as long as there are more good honorable members then their are rapists in what ever branch of government service they are in.
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Mayberryrctc 12/24/2010 9:03:00 PM
Don't come into the country illegally and this won't happen !!!!!!! Now I know all the "they are nice hard working people just trying to better their lives" libs are going to call me a racist SOB. DON'T CARE ! Should the Border Patrol agents brutalize the ones they catch, NO, but it's a very tough job with every bleeding heart moron who will believe the illegal first over the agents. Give these guys your support 100% and believe them over the law-breaking, drug smuggling, human trafficking criminals. And to 30yearnavyguy, you want to talk about RAPE, what do you think is happing to those individuals being brought into this country, against their will, for prostitution. Who do you think is there to stop this and return these girls to their families? Think HARD, that right the BORDER PATROL.
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Maxonepercent 12/23/2010 8:56:00 PM
There is a difference between a border patrol agent and a criminal. One is a law-abiding citizen who risks his life to enforce the law and the other is a selfish piece of trash who victimizes other people for his own personal gain. That is why people get upset when law enforcement officers die but they don't give two shits when a criminal dies. It is common sense really.
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Maxonepercent 12/23/2010 8:51:00 PM
Of course it is a coincidence, unless you really think the NT had prior knowledge that a Border Patrol agent would be killed that day. The point is that this propaganda outlet called the New Times is far more concerned with throwing Americans under the bus than taking a stand against the lawlessness and crime that is spewing northward out of Mexico and into our state.
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Maxonepercent 12/23/2010 7:50:00 PM
Nice try, crackpot. I bet you would love to do that to the jews though, right mohammed?
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Maxonepercent 12/23/2010 7:47:00 PM
Why don't you just S the author's D while you are busily kissing his ass? Of course you love this article, you are an open border fanatic who thinks all Americans who oppose illegal immigration are evil racists. Your opinion is worthless.
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Sanmartino 12/22/2010 3:15:00 PM
Actually Bruno
In 8 USC 1325
IF a person is in violation of Section A , 1 and Section B is a civil violation.
Section A 1and Section B are for the same offence
IF the person violates Section A 2 or3 then it is a incarceration worthy offense.
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part VIII > § 1325
§ 1325. Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
And since US attorneys in the past have turned violations of Section A 1 and Section B in to administrative violations they have set the legal precedent that VIOLATIONS of these SECTIONS are a Civil Offense.
Violations of Section A 2 or 3 - Actively running from an examination or inspection by immigration officers or lieing to get into the US by proper channels is a criminal offense.
This would be why ICE does not like those they capture to get legal representation they are entitled to, a lawyer would get their clients off with a fine at most
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30yearNavyGuy 12/21/2010 9:59:00 PM
Oh Do tell. Show me in my words where I was foul mouthed?
Bigoted? How, by being against dumbassed jar heads who are homophobic?
Were you a Marine? Couldn't you get into a service that serves an actual purpose other then being meat shields?
Marines, first and foremost are riflemen before they are anything else.
Point the automatic weapon away from yourself and the other guys dressed like you and pull the trigger.
Face facts - The Marines began as a security force for US sailing ships when those ships were being taken captive by Pirates. They fell mainly out of fashion with the top military brass until the second world war. During the second world war they were used as a ill equipped second ground army in the pacific. It was not till the mid 1960's that the marines came into their own so to speak.
Well gang since the 1940's Marines on board ships have been more of a burden then an assistance. As a branch of service they serve a very limited role and that is as a amphibious beach head holding force. That is Make land fall on a cost line and secure a zone so that the real ground army can set up and get to work.
That in a nut shell is the purpose of the Marines. Right now the Joint chiefs of staff are currently deciding on how to get back down to 1 ground army and to thin the ranks of the Marines back to a small mobile force that will secure beaches better then any other branch. Expect to see these changes around 2015 if not sooner if we get out of Afghanistan before then.
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Tomato 12/21/2010 7:10:00 PM
Yatyasjarhead, you're tha idiot! Did you look at that video attached to the story, your retard. They didn't need to use force on a guy who is handcuffed on the ground and crying repeated for mercy. Stop screaming about liberals, liberals, liberals. This is about human decency, which you obviously have none of. Move to Iran, you fuck.
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12/21/2010 5:23:00 PM
I don't consider it an abuse of power when an illegal who is high on meth when resisting an officer of the law is tased and because of his condition of being high results in his death.
Pretty fine example of the liberal that you are as well resulting to name calling when someone posts something you don't agree with.
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12/21/2010 5:18:00 PM
It's a same you're such a foul mouthed bigoted SOB since you claimed you served 30 years in the Navy. You're a disgrace to the uniform.
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*** 12/21/2010 5:06:00 PM
Similiar to trends in civil law enforcement, the already-low levels of professionalism in the BP are falling. I note the former-Marine's comments, and perhaps they are true. But what is also true is he almost certainly knows of others wearing the same uniform who DO abuse and mistreat those in their custody. If he and others who think like him do not - themselves - stop this, then by definition they are NOT "professionals" as one of the key requirements of being a professional is the ability to self-regulate.
Commenters here and elsewhere try to justify this by stating the illegal immigrants are committing crimes, and therefore deserve this treatment. B*ullsh*it -- that tired old philsophy was used to justify assaults against blacks during slavery and afterwards in the South, in some places still practiced today. All of the old hoary stories of southern sheriffs and their brand of "justice" are born and sustained by such actions. It was wrong then, it's wrong now.
Nothing in our constitutional or criminal laws allows law enforcement - in any agency - to commit crimes of any kind, under any circumstances. The described behaviors ARE crimes, and encouraging and supporting this behavior is aiding and abetting crime.
Back to "Professionalism." It requires law officers to take certain levels of abuse without reacting. Being spit upon, yelled and sworn at, resisted in passive ways, those are all EXPECTED behaviors from detainees -- a LE officer already KNOWS it's going to happen when they take the job. The non-professionals among them retaliate, and assault and react in other ways which clearly demonstrate their unsuitability to wear the uniform. They need to be fired. The worst need to be prosecuted. The ranks need to be purged to have any hope at all of regaining the one quality that makes the job tolerable - respect.
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30yearNavyGuy 12/21/2010 4:19:00 PM
There are 20,200 BP agents that you serve with, out of those 103 will break every reg they can think of and with out thinking RAPE and kill other BP agents, and you are OK with this number.
OK, now lets put that into your thinking.
There are 241,031Marines, and if we keep with the same ratio of 103 bad apples per 20200 we come up with 1229 Marines that will break every reg they can think of and with out thinking RAPE and kill other Marines.
Are you still OK with this number, also please remember that in your own words that 103 is "Pretty damned good record there!!! Thats better than any law enforcement agency and likely most of our Federal offices" (Don't forget that the Marines are one of those Federal offices)?
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30yearNavyGuy 12/21/2010 4:07:00 PM
Thank GOD of the repeal of Don't ask Don't Tell, then asshats like you can be gotten rid of in the Military and you can go back to your redneck bar.
"pillow-biter, who leaves the country! "
Do you know why Marines are not used on Submarines? It is cause a real war ship has no room for anyone/thing that is useless.
Lets see here.
Air War far - Air-Force does it better then the Marines.
Land war fare - the army does it much better then the Marines.
Sea War fare - The Marines don't have any warships of their own.
Defend the US territorial Waters - Coast Guard does it almost as well as the Navy.
Special war fare/recon - Again Army does it better and So do the Seals.
SO what are Marines really good for? Cannon Fodder.
Do you know what the TOP brass really use Marines for? - Walking/driving Mine Detection.
Do you know what happens if a Marine walks into a room filled with nothing but crushed rocks? - The rooms IQ goes DOWN.
True Story - Working in a Navy Hospital a marine is brought in from Boot Camp after getting weekend pass. He had second degree burns and 5 stab wounds to his groin.
When he was admitted he stated that his DI told them company DO NOT COME BACK with any kind of STD especially crabs.
Well he did go to see a local hooker and he DID get crabs. Another recruit told him that the best way to get rid of crabs is to shave half his pubes off, light the other half on fire and stab the crabs as they run across.
Well since he could not get more then a few hairs to light at a time he poured Zippo lighter fluid on his half shaved crotch and lit himself up. He only managed 5 stabs before he passed out from the pain.
And this is the type of guys the US citizens want defending it?
BTW - When the heart muscle has been weakened by drug use and other factors a Taser can cause the heart to beat irregularly and stop.
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Ole_Sparky_the_electrichair 12/21/2010 3:48:00 PM
So according to you passing electrical current across the heart of a human WILL not cause it to go into arrhythmia and eventually stop, are you sure this is the position that you want to stand by?
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TheWanderer 12/21/2010 3:40:00 PM
Yeah an irradiated wasteland with no usable resources and contamination for all is just what the US needs.
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Patuxtet_Chief 12/21/2010 3:28:00 PM
"I WOULD THINK U FOLKS THAT DON'T BELONG HERE WOULD FIGURE IT OUT STAY AT HOME AND MAKE YOUR OWN COUNTRY NICE. "
The very words of the Patuxtet Chief back in September 16 1620
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Ahmad 12/21/2010 3:22:00 PM
YEAH you tell them Nate, MEN lie you and me KNOW what to do with the kind of trash polluting the PURE American dream that we are trying to achieve.
We need to create special places where these types can be stored and then we can force them to do the hard, dangerous labor that AMERICA need to have done.
When we capture more then we need to do the work we have we can just have them dig huge pits and get into them.Then when they are done we use bulldozers to cover those pits and THOSE things up with the dirt that they dug out.
For those that don't want to come along peaceable we then need to create a SPECIAL lawenforcement agency that has country wide authority to capture these things and then take them to the center of towns and cities and shoot them in their less then American heads so that the others will know that the next time they should come along real peaceful like.
For the real jackwagons we can ship them off to Alaska and place them in outdoor work farms, Man all these great ideas from history that a nation of tuff-talking chicken-shit moral cowards would never do but REAL AMERICAN MEN would.
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Ahmad 12/21/2010 3:08:00 PM
Did you know that there is no such thing as a NON-Lethal device - only less then lethal.
All weapons that can incapacitate a human or other animal has the POTENTIAL to kill that same target.
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Yatyasjarhead 12/21/2010 3:01:00 PM
In my opinion, the New Times needs to rethink itself and who it supports. I don't buy into this article one bit. They whine about the 103 charges that BP agents were charged with, but conveniently leave out the total number of border patrol agents in the US which is roughly 20,200 !?! Pretty damned good record there!!! Thats better than any law enforcement agency and likely most of our Federal offices!
Last time I checked, crossing into this Country illegally was not "immigration", it is a crime!
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Guest 12/21/2010 3:00:00 PM
Yeah that method worked SOOOO well for the Soviet Union in East Germany did it not.
IT also worked so well for the Moroccans and the French and the South Africans.
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Guest 12/21/2010 2:52:00 PM
So Rider,
Your contention is that ALL illegal activity in the US is committed by undocumented immigrants?
OR
Are you saying that child rape is equivalent to you to a parking ticket and both should be treated in the same way?
So Rider what is your point in comparing Drug use (prevalent world wide), Attacks on abusive members of the establishments LAW enforcement (happens in every country by feed up people, Seem to remember US citizens fighting back/ attacking Establishment LAW enforcement who used excessive force in the 60's and 70's.), or pedophilia (again happens in every culture and country in the world) to a violation in a civil ordenance?
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Yatyasjarhead 12/21/2010 2:48:00 PM
You dont know that he wasn't fighting back. Besides, he was commiting a crime, and was high as a kite, so..... shoulda thought of it before hand. No sympathy for crooks. What if this illegal alien had just come from breaking into your house?
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Yatyasjarhead 12/21/2010 2:43:00 PM
Kit, you are an idiot, and worse, likely a screaming liberal. You are ignorant on the facts that law enforcement typically is forced to use sheer force simply to detain someone who is acting against them. Violence IS rampant on the border, but it is usually the Border Patrol who is the victim of this violence. It is plainly stated in the article that this criminal died of a heart attack, high blood pressure and (did YOU read this part?) Crystal Meth!!!
This is America. I personally defend our borders as an active duty US Marine, unlike you! I have no patience for people like you who support Criminals coming into our country and commiting crimes!!! I suggest it be you, my left-wing pillow-biter, who leaves the country!
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Guest 12/21/2010 2:41:00 PM
Seasonal Produce Picker, Company Dole - as seen on UnderCover Boss.
All the manual labor in the fields are done by seasonal migrant workers, they get paid by the bushel they pick/harvest.
US citizens are the formen but oddly no US citizens in the fields.
OK Rider your turn.
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Guest 12/21/2010 2:37:00 PM
So the 1 dead agent is imaginary?
The 2 dead immigrants listed in the story are also imaginary?
Please explain yourself.
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MontroseMike 12/21/2010 2:35:00 PM
Actually Byte,
I am looking for statistics that are not blown up out of proportion by creative use of math and cherry picked speculation.
Nor do I want statistics that are derived from under reported cherry picked reports either.
So yes I guess I am looking for statistics that agree with me and give an actual number so we as Americans can see the real picture instead of some picture that is viewed through an agenda.
OR do you, ByteRider have an agenda that is more important then the truth?
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Asdfgdfg 12/21/2010 7:52:00 AM
Shitheads like you want a shoot-first border for the US, but not for countries where US citizens might wander.
You want to presume the worst about people on our border, but deny that right to other countries.
This is America, we don't have death squads, we don't have extrajudicial executions.
And the reason we don't is because asshats like you are already turning a blind eye to abuses of power, if we gave the government more power the abuses would simply escalate.
It's because of people like you - people who condone lawlessness - that we have to keep a vigilant eye on the border patrol.
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Kit Carson 12/21/2010 7:45:00 AM
Where are they - well, if you could read you would know that they are calling out Janet N. for her recent comments wherein she stated the killing was not an indication violence was rampant on the border, that's where they are.
You're like George Bush, you see the world as for you or against you, and that leads to you forgiving those "on your side" when they commit atrocities that shock normal, decent human beings.
Most people understand that you can be in favor of secure borders while still holding the border patrol accountable for their criminal breaches.
This is America, we have a higher standard. We don't compare ourselves to the world, the world compares themselves to us. If you aren't prepared to maintain that high standard, LEAVE.
Get the fuck out my country. I don't have the time or the patience for people like you who support criminal behaviour.
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Txranger1829 12/21/2010 5:27:00 AM
I apologize that my last post was poorly written. But I get tired of the bleeding heart assholes at this publication.
Where are they when an American gets killed by one of these illegals?
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Txranger1829 12/21/2010 5:21:00 AM
Grainy!!!! This "video" is useless. You can't tell what the hell is happening here. The Medical Examiner says the idiot had Meth in his system and that he died of heart failure. He said nothing about being beaten to death or electrocuted to death.
You need to find another line of work. Being a reporter is not you line.
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veganmojo43 12/21/2010 2:23:00 AM
Actually if you've spent any amount of time traveling through Mexico where the poorest indigenous people live, you'd find that they would gladly share with you whatever they had, even if they had next to nothing. But based on your extremely ignorant comment I'm sure you haven't traveled through those places.
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veganmojo43 12/21/2010 2:12:00 AM
Listen Karl, if it weren't for the fact that you're crazy I'd call you an asshole for the stuff you write and say. On the other hand being crazy should be no excuse for being an asshole as I know some extremely crazy people who are also very nice.
Of course everyone who knows you understands what kind of person you are Karl. You spend your time criticizing and defaming those who are actually trying to help save lives and alleviate the suffering of people in need, while you profit by selling tours of migrant trails to hard-hearted idiots who are hoping to come across a dying or already deceased migrant. How pathetic a man are you Karl?
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Kwharizona 12/21/2010 12:19:00 AM
After 3 years of intensive investigation here is the truth behind No More Deaths.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/living-on-the-border/2010/10/15/when-humanitarian-aid-really-does-become-a-crime/
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Samkree135 12/20/2010 11:59:00 PM
boarder patrol, its borderpatrol stupid , taste of own med.
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12/20/2010 10:20:00 PM
Riddle me this Batman, If these folks stayed in their own country would these incidents happen to them. The answer, A Resounding NO. Also ask yourselves this. If the situation were reversed and Mexico was a Vibrant Flourishing Country and America was a desolate Bankrupt wasteland and Americans Flooded into Mexico looking for a better life, What would we get? I know what Americans would get and so do you. We should give Mexicans exactly what they would give us in Mexico. NOTHING.
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kc 12/20/2010 7:07:00 PM
Dude - your fight is with the dictionary, not me. ROTFLMAO
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juan phillepe 12/20/2010 6:34:00 PM
gang on gang violence. scum wets, or scum cops, they are both a huge threat to law abiding citizens that just want to live their lives how they see fit! cop or criminal the line is so blured now days i smile a little inside when either one gets what they deserve!
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12/20/2010 6:18:00 PM
"These same people scream when Americans are arrested when "accidentally" crossing the border into countries like Iran."
Only the illegal aliens didn't cross "accidentally" they knowingly broke the law by entering the US.
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Rumi 12/20/2010 5:44:00 PM
I don't care what they do to the da mn illegal meskin aliens.
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12/20/2010 3:56:00 PM
You're the one that's wrong. An immigrant is one who is afforded the opportunity to settle in this country legally with a visa.
An illegal is a foreign national that's guilty at the least of tresspassing and has not rights under the immigration act except to be sent home.
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kc 12/20/2010 2:38:00 PM
You seemingly don't understand the word immigrant. It just means "a person who comes to a country where they were not born in order to settle there." It covers both legal and illegals.
For the purposes of the border patrol and the American law, it doesn't matter whether one is a legal or illegal immigrant. The officer must follow the law. The officer must not beat, harass or kill anyone just for the heck of it.
The reporter used the word properly.
You also get hung up on the notion that "we don't have enough to convict or exonerate anybody involved." Who claimed otherwise?
I believe these officers should be prosecuted. Even if the information in the article is one-sided (as many claim), that is true for all indictments. The law enforcement side tells its side and if a determination of probable cause is returned a prosecution is initiated.
At trial, both sides get to tell their side, and then we can state we have enough to convict or exonerate. So then, you must surely agree with me that its time for these officers to be prosecuted, so we can then reach your goal of having enough information to exonerate or convict.
If you answer no, that is likely because there is no set of circumstances wherein you want to see a border agent held accountable to the law for his actions. That's fine, it just makes you on the side of lawlessness. If we don't think Border Agents have to follow the law, then why should we get upset with outsiders don't think they need to respect our border laws?
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Nostrovio 12/20/2010 11:26:00 AM
KC, you simply don't know what you are talking about. THere has been a concerted effort by the media and activists to lump legal and illegal immigrants into the same group. Countless interviews and articles use the term immigrant when in actuality they mean a person who has entered the country illegally. People who have entered the country illegally, (on a higher percentage) demonstrate a lack of respect for our laws and our social structure.
The answer is not amnesty, it is to make legal immigration a better process. I say anyone who is willing to come to the US to become a productive American citizen should be allowed. It involves learning our way of life and leaving behind the social "crap" they are trying to escape.
Regarding the event of this article, we simply just don't know enough to convict or exonerate anybody involved. Eyewitness testimony is often unreliable, especially regarding such emotionally charged situations and the media cannot be trusted to provide an accurate accounting of the details and facts. Brutality is not acceptable under any circumstances. Barring that, safety of the officers comes first.
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12/20/2010 7:00:00 AM
BP agents are hard workers who risk thier life every day. You call them migrants call them what they really are illegals. Don;t like your ride in the dog catcher truck stay home and fix your country- Revolution!!!
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KC 12/20/2010 5:52:00 AM
Like you are trying to shift the topic away from criminal acts by border agents?
If you don't like America's laws, leave. If you can't live up to the American standard, go somewhere else. We don't need you.
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KC 12/20/2010 5:51:00 AM
For the sake of the literate, people are encouraged to google "snopes 95% arrest warrants in LA" to see a thorough debunking of Larry's crap.
Snopes is the "urban myth" website that fact-checks, without bias, oft-repeated internet "facts."
Larry is being deliberately or recklessly misleading when he claims that 95% of arrest warrants for murder in LA are for illegals. That makes it sound like 95% of murders are committed by illegals, which is an obvious lie. In truth, it's an non-substantiated claim regarding open warrants, and to the extent it might be true, that is due to the fact that the subjects of the warrants fled the US, unlike others that were arrested. Over time, that adds up. If 10-percent of murders are committed by illegals, and they all escape being arrested, while 95-percent of the remaining resident and citizen murder warrants are arrested, the yes, most the open warrants are for illegals, but that's not how Larry is trying to make it seem.
Larry - if you hate America and its law, leave. It is the law of the land that we treat those in custody with basic human dignity and that we do not beat or kill them just for kicks.
Don't like American law - then leave.
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KC 12/20/2010 5:37:00 AM
Christine, you simply don't know what you are talking about. Everyone is talking about the legal immigrants -- that is at least the government is. We have hundreds of programs for the legal immigrants and even the much hated "amnesty" legislation requires that no one gets to become a citizen so long as there is even one legal immigrant in queue. That's right, amnesty people would have to go to the end of the line, which is where you and I think they belong, so now you'll join me in supporting amnesty, right?
In this case, the man was picked up like a rag-doll, carried away from the place where the border agents where beating him in public and moved to where the beating could be resumed in private.
As all the eyewitnesses state: he was compliant, he was in custody, he was not fighting back. If you are a person of your word, and I think you are, then you must certainly now agree that these agents need to be prosecuted for their criminal acts. (The exact statute is given in the article.)
Glad to have you on the side of law and order, the side that wants to enforce border laws and laws covering border agents.
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Lewgallo 12/20/2010 4:43:00 AM
It is difficult to rationalize the attitude of the previous comments. Of course our border guards should be able to use force when necessary, however there is a difference between restraining forces and the gleeful brutal force. These same people scream when Americans are arrested when "accidentally" crossing the border into countries like Iran. These "guards" should be treated like the hardened bullies they are. This man did not represent a death threat. Don't misunderstand, I am in favor of "the wall", National Guards Troops, what ever it takes, but never murder.
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Christine 12/20/2010 3:14:00 AM
I want to comment on ER Nurse Holley's statement. I have witnessed those who are drunk or on drugs react over the top when they are trying to be restrained. She is right. We only hear the cries but do not see the force used. If he indeed was on drugs and resisted, the Patrol Agents have a right to use force. If he did not resist, then the Patrol agents used excessive force and may have committed homicide. Only God knows what really happened. Nonetheless the Patrol agents are constantly tested and pushed to limits. I say this time and time again as the daughter of legal immigrants. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGAL AND ILLEGAL. My relatives waited many years to come here legally. Others are still waiting, struggling, and suffering while they wait their turn. So much attention about illegals, NO ONE IS SPEAKING UP for those legally waiting in line and following the law. I see first hand illegals getting FREE HEALTHCARE in clinics and hospitals while legal US residents lose their home b/c they can't afford health insurance. No, we must reform our immigration laws and deport those who break our laws and starting allowing those waiting their turn out of respect to our laws, to come first!
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Miguel 12/20/2010 3:04:00 AM
Hey, I'm sure those people who killed the Border Patrol Agent were drug traffickers. And they were just trying to supply the hight demand use of drug by all of you "american drug addicts". You want shit, well, I'm sure mexican drug dealers will keep supplying it regardless of how many agents they kill. I'm sure you and all your friends are responsible for that dead and thousand others that are happening in Mexico right now. If it wouldn't be because you bastards consume so much of that shit, we wouldn't have the violence problems we have in Mexico right now.
I will not be surprise if the weapon used to killed the border patrol agent was bought in one of the weapon stores in Arizona or Texas. Guess who is supplying weapons to drug cartels in Mexico?
So stop complaining and tell your government to do something to reduced the use of drug in the states.
I hope Mexican president would stop the so called drug war, if americans want drug, well, let's send them drug until they go fucking nuts.
I also hope mexican immigrants stop going to your country so you clean your own shit. Perhaps european immigrants will pick up the crops in California or will work in restaurants and hotels as Mexicans do.
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12/20/2010 1:06:00 AM
Put the National Guard on the border with full rights to use lethal force anyone crossing the fence illegally. Give it less than 30 days and watch the traffic come down to a trickle. We're being invaded by foreign nationals that only have one intent to take money and jobs away from legal citizens and to commit additional crimes such as drug dealing, kidnapping and identity theft to start another life under the radar here. If they come in legally they're welcome with open arms. Coming in illegally is tresspassing and what would any normal citizen that's armed would do if a tresspasser broke into their home?
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critic 12/20/2010 1:00:00 AM
Gratuitous abuse against agents absolutely can lead to a higher risk of violence considering there are often family units in these groups. Which is just another reason why this is report is BS. All the evidence collected comes down to individuals who were deported after having spent their life savings and then trekked days through harsh and unforgiving terrain. I don't blame them for being pissed that they got caught and sent back. I'd be angry myself. All that work and risk for nothing. And we expect them to sit there and say wonderful things about the Border Patrol? Seriously?
Somehow we're supposed to believe that illegals have broken bones and bruises because the Border Patrol beat them. Last I checked they walked days through treacherous terrain, but suddenly all of their injuries came from when the Border Patrol arrested them. And guess what, if you run from law enforcement, you get taken to the ground like a criminal (because thats what you are). If I ran from the Police I'd probably get tackled to the ground. Yet, these illegals think that somehow they aren't criminals and dont have to answer to US laws and then whine when they are forcibly taken into custody? I'm not shedding any tears for them.
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Qris 12/20/2010 12:57:00 AM
We should NUKE mexico and take their land!!!
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Qris 12/20/2010 12:48:00 AM
Good, may his death be a warning to other would be trespassers!!!
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Leave Winnuts 12/19/2010 8:22:00 PM
Individualized justice is a hallmark of American jurisprudence. We don't make others pay for someone else's crime.
We also believe in the rule of law, due process and inalienable rights.
TRYSSON and others don't. They believe in group punishment, ignoring the laws of the United States and extra-judicial punishment.
LEAVE TRYSSON. If being an American is too high a standard for you, then just leave. If you don't think border patrol agents should follow the law, then you aren't a good American. If you think one person should be made to pay because of something another did, you aren't a good American. If you think that juries and court hearing can be skipped and that police can jump right to punishment, then you aren't a good American.
Face it TRYSSON, you aren't a good American. LEAVE! Go somewhere that hates America and all that it stands for, you know, someplace where you will fit right in.
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TYRSSON 12/19/2010 7:40:00 PM
Who is going to pay for the wrongful death of OFFICER BRIAN A. TERRY? The 4 or 5 men who shot him to death. Everyone wants protection and rights but they don"t want to obey the law. ILLEGAL ALIEN STAY HOME AND YOU WILL NOT BE HURT BY OUR BOARDER PATROL IT IS THAT SIMPLE..iF YOU BRING DRUGS AND VIOLENCE THEN I HOPE YOU GET BEAT STUPID.
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Tom Clancy34 12/19/2010 7:05:00 PM
wake up Americans our country is being invaded while our troops are abroad drugs everywhere criminal from the south over the borders to work illegally. The Land of Milk andf honey with hell south of the border, whats wrong with this picture? Those who control dont play by the rules... they d rather burrow under and tunnel to usa the drugs and guns and young girls....Every American with a gun or a baseball bat should stand guard at the borders and deter to illegals entry all 100% of them...
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Kit Carson 12/19/2010 6:40:00 PM
Leave America, you degenerate scum.
People like you don't deserve the freedoms you too willingly surrender so as to feed your hate.
That you would praise the advocacy of concentration camps reveals all we need to know about your anti-American, Nazi-loving, right-wing ass.
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Joe 12/19/2010 6:37:00 PM
What's your point - that because Mexico is a shithole we in the United States don't have to abide by our own laws?
Of course America is better than Mexico. That's not the point. The point is that our laws, our culture, our values are under assault. When rouge border agents and their apologists violate the law and distort the fundamental premise of American democracy then we, those who love America and all that it stands for, must fight back against those who maintain a lower standard.
You may not want to sink to the level of Mexico's government, but you aren't yet ready to rise the level of an American.
Feel free to leave.
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ThePhnxman 12/19/2010 5:37:00 PM
What we have here is not just an article avout an alledged abuse: it is the Arizona Republic fighting back against an outcry of public outrage for its continued, dogged defense of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION after [one of their own] murdered an Immigration Enforcement Officer.
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Rato5 12/19/2010 5:26:00 PM
are you for real? wow, why dont you go to school and learn about the economy and political process of this country. sorry i forgot that in order to make such a statement you dont qualify to go to school because of the obvious learning disability. may God have mercy on you. merry christmas
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Sickofleftistlies 12/19/2010 4:31:00 PM
Keep telling the lies Klan with a tan, it's not working. BTW the "Amongst Us" is such crap-so all these leeches invading our country are actually from the U.S.? That would be the only thing that would justify the invasion. Oh wait, no, they're from a foreign country. Keep up the lies Klan with a tan. Each time you open your mouths all America sees who you really are and what you really want.
