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Duragg Sffs 09/04/2011 9:18:00 AM
Total bull crap! If a nutcase wants a gun they get it. Look at California they have one of the biggest crime rates, but have ridiculous gun laws. And their criminals have just as many guns as ours. Get over this bs.
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06/02/2011 12:41:00 PM
Yes, that is true - strict gun laws don't stop criminals from committing their crimes, they only affect the law-abiding citizens who wish to carry guns.
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Rselo0816 02/18/2011 6:28:00 AM
Lemons.... apt name... this article certainly was one...
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Rselo0816 02/18/2011 6:18:00 AM
"Common parlance" does not make misuse of the two terms technically correct...
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02/12/2011 5:56:00 AM
ya know ya all can go raggin on about high capacity mags. the last time they banned them they sold hi cap mags made before the ban took effect and that last for years and years
at one point one manufacturer was cranking out over a million a day till the ban took effect
me and my daughters guns both came with 17 round mags and they will be legal because they are original equipment.
i got 2 of those hi cap mags for another gun i own and i think what made him have trouble reloading is that you have to press the mag release so the mag will slip in the rest of the way
that and the fact a woman grabbed a mag from him and he was tackled. big deal if ya cant sell you hi cap mags to anyone ya bought them for yourself not someone else.
personally im not that keen on them there a pain to carry they dont fit well at all in a mag holder because there too long and can fall out real easy
that and the fact that theres millions out already that are legal. and a criminal isnt gonna obey a law against them anyway
the blame is on the old sheriff who didnt do something when this wingnut threatened other people., if he had he might have been in an institution. id bet ya a years pay he ends up in one anyway with the history thats come out hes been headed toward crazytown for years
there was one girl who said he was faking it but im sure she hasnt quite finished her md being 21 much less become a licensed shrink
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Valley 02/11/2011 2:35:00 PM
"Arizona's Lax Gun Laws Helped Make Tucson's Jared Lee Loughner Possible"... Um No, only Jared's parents made Jared possible. That's a ridiculous way to say you don't like the gun laws in Arizona. Besides, even if the gun laws were tighter, Jared Loughner would have found a way around it and gotten the gun anyway, he was a man with an objective, it didn't matter how difficult the task was going to be, he was going to do it. Strict Laws don't stop psychosis.
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02/11/2011 4:48:00 AM
o pleassssssssssseeeeeeeeeee.
if the pima county sheriff had done his job when he investigated other death threats of this wingnut hed have been in the mental hospital or prision or jail.
LIVE FREE OR DIE as one states motto says. why should law abiding gun affficiandos be made to pay the price for an over the hill 75 year old sheriffs deputies not doing their job
police are being laid off to balance budgets and newspapers are spreading the news all over town
tucson pd doesnt even respond to burglaries anymore so whats left ????????
jgsales.com has a great sale on glock 22s fbi tradeins 16 rounds with more clips available for 10 apiece. theres a ffl dealer locator on their site who you can have the gun sent to from jg and theyll handle the transfer for 30-50 bucks. since theyre fbi trade ins about all theyve been used for is target practice so you save about 140.00 over a new one.
i dont mean to sound like the prophet of doom but reality is a drag sometimes. one of the guys that tackled loughner was carrying a concealed weapon and you now need no permit to carry concealed in arizona
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Luke 02/10/2011 3:13:00 PM
the problem in Tucson is that there werent enough guns. If more people were carrying, that shooter would have been taken down instead of people laying on top of there loved ones hoping for the best. That guy in ny needs to myob in ny. they will use the tucson incident to stop carrying guns. when people need a gun in their home with these home invasions.
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Jack Seift 02/09/2011 9:32:00 PM
Let the gun nuts unite. Brian O'Neil's the bioggest dumbass of all. Without his gun, he'd be dickless. Dissonantwinds is also a pussy coward without his beloved hardware. Pussies all!
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02/09/2011 2:16:00 PM
Why not just get yourself a gun?
That's what the mentally ill loners around here do...
DONT HAYT IM JUS REVEALING YOUR REALITY BACK TO YOU
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02/09/2011 2:12:00 PM
BWAAahahahaha YAYY !
KindredSpirit 1
gun wacko keyboard warrior with little penis and no real friends 0
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02/09/2011 2:07:00 PM
YAYY !!!
Pinned the tail on the wacko ! yee-haw
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02/09/2011 2:03:00 PM
what I've ALSO noticed is that the gun wackos who should not be allowed to own guns due to lack of self-control are consistently the people who speak and write all their comments in the form of cliche'. Every emotion and thought is a canned response, no situation-specific, thought-out and considered responses. THESE ARE ENTIRELY THE WRONG PEOPLE TO BE OWNING GUNS.
Why? Their favorite gun-toting western shoot-em-up movie stars have already made up their minds as to who gets a bullet hole in them. These idiots don't do any non-reactive thinking. These types of non-thinkers are buggered-up red-headed stepchild preteen boy minds, affixed to man bodies.
There ought to be a rigorous psychological exam that must be passed before owning guns, and also prior to owning and using a whole lot of other items. Now see here, I am an advocate for gun ownership and usage. It's just that, more and more often, the WRONG PEOPLE have obtained licensed possession of legal firearms.
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02/09/2011 1:50:00 PM
hahaha
MULL wacky.
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02/09/2011 1:48:00 PM
When I buy multiple items over at the QuikTrip , I'm gonna stop saying "put it in the bag"... I don't wanna get shot by some idiot YAY-hoo with a gun BWAAAhahaha
Once I had an interviewer call my cell at the QuikTrip at the register, and the cashier wanted to hand me my change, and I told the cashier, "put the money in the bag"
--OOPS.
That was Porn For Gun-Wackos.
Now see here, I am an advocate for gun ownership and usage. It's just that, more and more often, the WRONG PEOPLE have obtained licensed possession of legal firearms. Some of you idiots have voiced your opinions here on the High Times Phoenix online edition, a non-journalism rag.
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02/09/2011 1:37:00 PM
It's not real journalism... It's High Times, the tweeker mag
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02/09/2011 1:31:00 PM
Too many gun-toter white guys scared to death about absolutely nothing except their own dark fantasies they create inside their goofy heads. Too many violent movies and too much TV watching you've wasted time on. Time to acquire non-gun-toting hobbies. Fiddle less with guns, and fiddle around with yer woman. Or GET a woman. Quit talking macho and quit being a gun-toting scared macho sissy, people. I'm not speaking to a specific person except the close-minded idiots who are scared even though they have a gun strapped to their person right now.
BOO ! bwaaaahahaha,
POW-POW !! oops.. you just shitted bullets BWAAhaha
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02/09/2011 1:19:00 PM
rarr-rarr-rarr-rarr-rarr-rarr-rarr-rarr-rarr-rarr-LISTEN TO ME, I'M THE ME-MONSTER-rarr-rarr-rarr-rarr-rarr-rarr-I'M A MACHO MAN COME PROVE IT TO ME RARR-RARR-RARR-RARR-RARR-RARR-RARR-RARR-RARR-RARR...
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02/09/2011 1:08:00 PM
It's the High TImes Phoenix online edition... what do you guys expect... REAL JOURNALISM?!? The contributing writers are substance abusers..! And so are most of the readers & commenters ! DONT HAYT IM JUS SAYIN.
I come here because I done finished looking at the online cartoons.
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ExpertShot 02/03/2011 9:38:00 PM
Problem is, you sir are anything BUT honest. You're a liar.
There are no groups wanting to "Ban" guns.
A despicable low-down traitorous liar is what you are - trying to sow confusion and divide the American people with your ignorant fear and false loathing.
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02/02/2011 8:11:00 AM
I would say I agree with Brother Nathan Fluet, an Absolute waste of a perfectly pristine bullet should not be wasted on a worthless "Gas Bag" that you are too society.
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Dissonantwinds 01/29/2011 1:56:00 PM
I agree..Most articles I've read from this site seem to be written by those who are uneducated in the real world
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Dissonantwinds 01/29/2011 1:54:00 PM
The title of this article says it all..And I say bullshit...You mean to tell me that you think I can't go into a store in Florida, Texas, Maine, New York and purchase a gun?..You mean you honestly think that because we have the gun laws we have in Arizona this was made possible?...Wrong!..There is something called Freedom to bare arms in the United States. Every state within the union must obey those rules as they were written.
As a writer, I would expect some sort of reasonable thinking from you, but the article title says it all, and what it should read is "Author is a fucking idiot"
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Hazmat411 01/26/2011 7:40:00 AM
Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people and injured 450 people in Oklahoma and he didn't even use a gun. Why are people blaming GUNS for senseless murders and not the actual person committing the act? If you want to BAN guns then you might as well BAN the Ryder Truck Company that Timothy McVeigh used to load his lethal explosives and BAN diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate which you could purchase easier than a firearm at your local hardware store and gas station to make ANFO for the explosives. Shoot, while we are at it...let's BAN Louisville Slugger Baseball Bats because Joe Sauceda Gallegos nonchalantly walked up and BEAT TO DEATH two innocent children just playing at the park here in Phoenix. He didn't need a GUN to exercise his need to prove a point. I guess Major League Baseball is gonna have to use pool noodles to hit homers now. I don't own a gun nor do I plan on buying one anytime soon. The government has flaws just like everyone else, but taking away rights of the HONEST and HARDWORKING AMERICAN doesn't help them PROTECT themselves against these extremist or "misled individuals" living in our country.
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ExpertShot 01/25/2011 2:12:00 AM
http://mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/media-center/pr006-11.shtml
The above website summarize a study which shows a broad consensus among the public including gun owners to ensure rights of responsible, law-abiding americans and close legal gaps to keep guns out of the wrong hands. The support for many specific gun proposals is overwhelming. 86% of Americans including 81% of gun owners support background checks for all gun sales.
http://mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/media-center/pr006-11.shtml
Please stop the hyperbole and let's make this world a better place to raise our children in.
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ExpertShot 01/25/2011 2:09:00 AM
Thousands of people have been stopped from obtaining dangerous weapons due to the gun safety laws on the books in numerous states. Your statement is subjective and not accurate at all. Sensible gun control laws effectively keep dangerous people from obtaining dangerous weapons.
http://mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/media-center/pr006-11.shtml
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Loosecannonsbluesband 01/25/2011 12:26:00 AM
I think you're lying. In any case, that is not the law now. Would you propose it?
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Ecr9000 01/24/2011 2:28:00 PM
we should makes guns illegal just like they are in Mexico - No one ever gets shot there...It's like a peaceful utopia and wonderfully safe.
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01/21/2011 11:26:00 PM
Do they get their journalists from high schools here? I have yet to see one well written, actual piece of something that would qualify as actual journalism. So far everything I see is opinion pieces stated as fact. What audience are they marketing themselves too?
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Fizz 01/21/2011 7:31:00 PM
You guys are such a ridiculously liberal media outlet. I'm sure a mentally ill person who was refused to be able to purchase a gun through the proper means would just say "oh well, I can't buy a gun through a store, I won't buy one then." and that be the end of it. No matter what laws you put in place, if someone wants a gun to do harm they will get it. All the laws will do is keep the law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves. Look at the cities with strict gun control and then look at their crime rates. (Detroit, Oakland, etc).
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Huey Lewis 01/21/2011 7:23:00 PM
Do you know that your tabloid has gun ads all over it? Even instant access to gun sales via your website on Backpage.com ? You're part of the problem. Idiots.
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Urajackass 01/21/2011 3:27:00 PM
Honest, hard working Arizonans with guns are not the problem. The problem is the criminals, they are going to be carrying guns no matter what laws are in place. The criminals are the ones that the legal lawabiding citizens have to worry about. When was the the last time if ever you heard of a lawabiding gun carrying legal arizona citizen shooting up a bar, or robbing someone, or just breaking the gun law in general? Never. You jackass.
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Phx1952 01/21/2011 2:56:00 PM
You keep your hope and change and I will keep my money and my guns! Dumb A$$!
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TerminalBRD 01/21/2011 1:52:00 AM
In other words, you recognize that the laws won't keep the bad guys from getting guns. Congratulations, you've actually recognized the problem at hand. Bad guys getting guns is the problem. There are ways to make getting guns difficult for those we don't want to have them, and these methods don't have to include preventing the average, law abiding citizen from accessing weapons for self defense. The means that I'm talking about involve keeping violent felons in prison rather than attempting to "rehabilitate" them and releasing them back into society where they are likely to commit more felonies. Recidivism is incredibly high. For those who are mentally disturbed, reforms in the mental health system will keep them from accessing guns, or they will address the issues that cause some to snap and commit violent crimes. Those are solutions that work and don't infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens.
As to whether we should legalize drugs, honestly I think there is a case to be made for their legalization. I firmly believe that drug use is a moral wrong and is destructive to the individual and those surrounding them. However, we have witnessed many unintended consequences of the narcotic prohibition that I think are a greater evil. First, we must recognize that despite the laws, drug addicts are still getting their drugs. However, now there is a lucrative black market in drugs which is fueling violence inside of the United States, fueling a war in Mexico, and providing funds for terrorist movements abroad in nations like Columbia and Afghanistan. Further, the War on Drugs has resulted in several encroachments into the liberties of the people. We now have excessive laws regarding asset forfeiture (if you buy a dime bag from an undercover police officer in many jurisdictions they can seize your car - that's a disproportionate punishment if I've ever seen one). If you are pulled over, searched, and they find a large quantity of cash on your person, they may seize it unless *you* can prove the money came from a legitimate source rather than drug sales. They don't have to prove anything to seize your money as evidence. Lastly, at least in the 1920s and 1930s the Congress and the Federal government understood that the act of prohibiting a substance (alcohol) required a Constitutional Amendment. No such amendment was ever passed to prohibit narcotics. Rather, the government has continued to twist the context of the Interstate Commerce Clause far beyond its original, intended scope.
Should a legal source of narcotics open up, the profit margins in the black market would plummet. As a result, those who have profited off of the obscene margins would be forced out of the business. This goes both domestically and internationally. The drug violence in Mexico would cease far more reliably than if we were somehow able to cut off the supply of 17% of guns used in crimes down there (the real percentage, not the media inflated 90% which comes from the number of guns suspected to be American which are sent to the BATFE for trace analysis). Gang crime in the US would plummet as well as gangs would no longer be fighting for sales territory. Of course there would be unintended consequences here as well... the cartels and gangs would be looking somewhere else to make a buck, but there are fewer options for them. Additionally, any increase in drug usage is likely to be marginal as drugs remain widely available despite their prohibited status.
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01/20/2011 6:01:00 PM
Thanks for the reply, KS. Yes, I'd like to meet you as well. Feel free to call me any time. Maybe we can grab a beer. You know, some of my best friends are conservatives. Heh.
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KindredSpirit 01/20/2011 5:36:00 PM
Stephen, it's refreshing to see you have some semblance of reason and hold no ill will. The same comes from my corner.
FWIW - I was a Liberal - once. Unfortunately, my income prevented me realizing any benefit from it.
I honestly do hope to meet you someday. Peacefully, of course. Perhaps you'd care to meet me at the next Boston Tea Party? JK/LOL!
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01/20/2011 5:12:00 PM
Not yet. I'm still waiting on the bill that will allow me to carry concealed on college and university campuses.
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SB 01/20/2011 1:15:00 PM
Typical Liberal BS! Look into how many stabbings there are in our country vs. shootings. Are you going to want to limit our kitchens to 10 knives or less? Stop the knee-jerk reactions and look into the REAL issue here. It's like they hire children to write these articles.
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01/19/2011 11:08:00 PM
You just don't get it do you?
Guns don't kill.
People and backpacks do!
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01/19/2011 8:55:00 PM
I prefer that old Mac Davis song, "Oh Lord it's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way..."
Just kidding. No I do not regard myself as be perfect or all-knowing. Far from it. Sure, there are a lot of names being thrown around. You've been pretty liberal (so to speak) with them yourself.
I give as well as I get, KS. I'm not going to punk out to anybody. But I have no ill will. I enjoy the exchange. This ain't the Harvard debate club, as you may have noticed. More like WWE. But that's what makes it fun ;)
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Waltggura 01/19/2011 8:41:00 PM
your right, its too easy. lets make it harder. so next time he might use a pipe bomb.
or a car, or a box-cutter and a airplane.
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Waltggura 01/19/2011 8:25:00 PM
My wife an I were in a video store one night, there were 2 clerks behind the conter and 4 other customers. We heard someone say "put it in the bag" and looked up to see a armed
rober pointing a gun in each of our faces saying "put your hands up", we did. When the rober turned back to the clerk in front of the safe and screamed "don't touch the button"
I drew my weapon, said as loud and clear as possible " drop the gun". When they turned their gun twoards me I opened fire, hitting them twice and ending the threat.
Your experince might have been different, no gun visible or threat witnessed. I don't know,
but when it happened to me and I think if I was in Tucson my reactions would have been the same. Had I been there , I most certianly would have shot him!
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KindredSpirit 01/19/2011 7:15:00 PM
Mr. Lemons, it must really be tough being the world's only perfect person. I mean, really. You truly do believe that you're opinions are always the correct opinion, both politically and ideologically.? Are you never wrong on an issue? Funny you label me a bigot, a hater, and an idiot - while others here call you dumb ass, dip shit, and a host of other synonymous acronyms. Now you want to challenge my individual right to free speech, by casting stones at me for using the F-word, and then calling me a bigot? If bloggers like me didn't respond to your post articles, what would you do for a paycheck then? Join ranks with the good folks at PETA, ALF, CBD?
So typical of a liberal like yourself, always trying to "impose their will" upon others. You truly do live in a fantasy world Stephen. Since I'll never join you in your make-believe fantasy world, how about you just hum a few chorus rounds of 'We Are The World' for me?
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KindredSpirit 01/19/2011 7:14:00 PM
Mr. Lemons, it must really be tough being the world's only perfect person. I mean, really. You truly do believe that you're opinions are always the correct opinion, both politically and ideologically.? Are you never wrong on an issue? Funny you label me a bigot, a hater, and an idiot - while others here call you dumb ass, dip shit, and a host of other synonymous acronyms. Now you want to challenge my individual right to free speech, by casting stones at me for using the F-word, and then calling me a bigot? If bloggers like me didn't respond to your post articles, what would you do for a paycheck then? Join ranks with the good folks at PETA, ALF, CBD?
So typical of a liberal like yourself, always trying to "impose their will" upon others. You truly do live in a fantasy world Stephen. Since I'll never join you in your make-believe fantasy world, how about you just hum a few chorus rounds of 'We Are The World' for me?
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Right to bare arms 01/19/2011 6:51:00 PM
Los Angeles didnt have Arizona Gun Laws when the gun went off in the back pack.
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01/19/2011 3:37:00 AM
Mike, the freakin' NRA disagrees with you. Give it up. Or take it up with your pals at the NRA. You're starting to sound about as lucid as Jared Loughner.
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Mike 01/19/2011 3:27:00 AM
Right on. Reagans fault. Use to be that dysfunctionals were cared for, treated, rehabilitated, Now, they are our homeless and many have died or turned to crime. I fear the shooter is one of those who needed treatment that wasn't there for him. How many more are out there like him?
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Mike 01/19/2011 3:12:00 AM
Stephen, we know how wrong you are in your citing of the NRA's defn. WWII and Korea vets use clips and magazines as jargon interchangeably. Not so much with us 'nam vets. Most of the guys I hang with, current and recent Military and contractors, know and use the proper term; magazine. Of course you have no practical experince with weapons of any sort, heck, you've probably never even been CLOSE to a firearm, so you did the best you could. Lacking personal experience or first-hand knowledge, you just picked up the first thing that you read on that innernet thing, and called it gospel. Same as with The Brady Bunch. You fell hook, line and sinker for their drivel. Again, due to lack of practical, real, experience.
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russ 01/19/2011 2:10:00 AM
let me see now....six dead...hey that's six bullets! Cajungman, your an idiot that i hope NEVER votes in an election because i don't want you making decisions for me and the other millions of law abiding gun owners in this country.
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russ 01/19/2011 2:07:00 AM
but wouldn't you rather have the chance to defend yourself? or do you want to keep being a defenseless victim?
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russ 01/19/2011 2:05:00 AM
the founding fathers did no write the 14th amendment. the 14th amendment was passed by congress in 1866( roughly 80 years after the constitution was written).the founders were actually pretty bright fellas, because they knew that the constitution would need some changes over time, it is called the amendment process. but they purposely made it difficult to change so that broad sweeping changes and complete obliteration of rights would be very hard to do. if you think we gun owners are paranoid about the govt disarming the public, read up on what Hitler did before he ordered the Jews to be rounded up and gassed, do you really want a govt that is all powerful? when i speak of domestic enemies, i refer to those that wish to circumvent, undermine, and regulate our rights until we actually have no rights. do you think were should change the first amendment? how about the rest of the first nine amendments? (the bill of rights) you are right that it is open to interpretation, which is the job of the judicial branch of the govt.(as written in article 3 of the constitution) if i remember right the federal court is reviewing the 14th amendment to decide whether or not "anchor babies" are actually citizens.
if the constitution were written in stone then women couldn't vote, blacks would still be slaves, and there would be no term limits on the president. should we have not made those changes?
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russ 01/19/2011 1:36:00 AM
first of all, you are repeating the same lame argument that i have begun hearing from the anti constitution Marxists, i does not matter when the constitution was written, but if you read the federalist papers, and the journals of the men who wrote it, you can get a pretty clear understanding of their frame of mind when they were putting it all together. none of which matters anyway because the constitution is STILL the supreme law of the land. i agree with 1 thing that you said though, that we are wasting millions of dollars every year sending politicians to Washington to pass unnecessary laws.
If you want to live in a safe country, try any of the European countries, where the people have no gun rights, or any other rights either. "An armed person is a citizen, an unarmed person is a subject."
How does a law abiding gun owner make you unsafe? are people in Chicago safe? they have EXTREMELY strict gun laws and their murder rate by gun just keeps going up
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russ 01/19/2011 1:13:00 AM
why do you want the govt to be armed better than the public? well lets look at your handle. cajun Gman could it be that you work for law enforcement? were you one of the cops that confiscated guns from law abiding citizens in the aftermath of hurricane katrina? like i said before you friggin socialist piece of white trash, i want to be better armed than the police so that if they try to take my guns during another "emergency" like katrina i can take a few of them down before they take me down. so you keep that hand extended and you keep shouting "zieg hiel" and i'll keep my AR-15, my AK-47, and a few others along with my 30 round mags. btw i have seen how you law enforcement types disarm little old ladys with revolvers, i hope you were proud of yourselves that day. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt--taU9d26wT4/nra_the_untold_story_of_gun_confiscation_after_katrina/
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Steves 01/19/2011 12:50:00 AM
I am sorry for the great loss that happened in Tucson recently. However if I had any of my family member's involved in this shooting, my question would be who was responsible ( or accountable ) for providing adequate security for a open political rally. Regardless of how small or peaceful it was SUPPOSE to be. Someone has got to be held accountable for this. I would think permits were required to hold this rally in which someone should have required permits, secuity, and the proper crowd control. If it was me organizing any kind of exhibit I would have to meet all of these requirement's, so why did they not have to?
Just a couple question's taht need to be addressed!!!!!!
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No 01/18/2011 11:25:00 PM
More liberal rubbish from a free (so called) newspaper that sets up stands at convenience stores that make their money from selling products such as beer and cigarettes which kill far more people than guns.
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Rick 01/18/2011 9:41:00 PM
No
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Rick 01/18/2011 9:40:00 PM
Exactly. Lets face it, it was not Arizona's laws that caused it, but the feds let yet another with mental history purchase a gun and now every lib wants to blasme Arizona. What a shame.
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Chris In Tempe 01/18/2011 2:21:00 PM
Arizona's gun laws are not lax. Arizona's laws regarfing how the mentally ill are handled are lax. Arizona's facilities for dealing with the dangerously mentally ill are in real bad shape.
Stop distracting discussion away from the real issue. This is not about a gun that he did purchase illegally (ATF Form 4473, 11.e., he was prohibited and committed a crime when he bought it).
Stick to the root cause. He was insane, there were not adequate laws, procedures or facilities to address his insanity.
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cajungman 01/18/2011 12:53:00 PM
sorry asswipe i spent 22 years in the military , i dont live in a trailer park and i dont drink, all you want is stock guns in your home to do what, no body needs a pistol with more than 6 shots a dear rifle with 3 and a shot gun with 3 any more than that everybody asking for trouble, by the way sence i ve been here ive disarm 3 asswipes like u and not a gun in my hand so take your fuckin gun laws and all your arizona assholes an put them where the sun dont shine the only people that needs guns w?large clips is cops and the police by the way fuck you RUSS
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01/18/2011 6:22:00 AM
Didn't you guys get the gun laws YOU wanted.
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raven 01/18/2011 3:57:00 AM
*descent*
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Chris McLaws 01/18/2011 3:27:00 AM
And by the time it take you to reach for your gun that guy that already has a gun pointed at you, the guy the "doesn't give 2 hoots about you, just shot you. So what if you had a gun you could never us it, your DEID.
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Chris McLaws 01/18/2011 3:12:00 AM
Thank you for being all knowing on the Constitution of the United States of America. You must have been there when it was written to know exactly what they were saying over 200 ago. God knows that we are living in the same age as our Fathers were. If so why are we having all those people in DC meeting all year long and wasting our money and making new laws each year? Besides the Senate and Congress padding their pockets they do make laws for this country because times have changed.
You may have the right to own a gun, but your rights ends were my right to be safe begins. I’m not denying your rights but it sure sounds like your denying mine.
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raven 01/18/2011 3:02:00 AM
Well I guess these "founding fathers" weren't very smart since they left that open to interpretation knowing full well where all illegal aliens of european decent came from, whom, mind you, gave birth repeatedly. I think those who gripe so much about their cherished 2nd amendment, as if it were itched in stone, are also the same ones that are likely to want to change the 14th, somewhat hypocritical don't ya think. We need to stop giving people a false sense of fear (car jacking and the like) for their pro gun argument, and tell it like it really is, their paranoid fear of government, in the mean time, remember to defend your precious constitution of the 14th amendment as it is written, against all domestic enemies, because as much as you would love that to change, it hasn't ;)
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Waltggura 01/18/2011 1:25:00 AM
do you think a magazine limit would have save A life? the killer certianly wouldn't have thought to carry more magazines, or more guns, or just throwing a pipe bomb!
driving a car, flying a airplane?
naw, yer rite i ges
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01/18/2011 1:19:00 AM
Made this point below already, but it looks like Mike didn't read that far. So here we go again:
This is from a firearms glossary published online by the NRA-ILA (lobbying arm of the NRA):
"CLIP
A device for holding a group of cartridges. Semantic wars have been fought over the word, with some insisting it is not a synonym for "detachable magazine." For 80 years, however, it has been so used by manufacturers and the military. There is no argument that it can also mean a separate device for holding and transferring a group of cartridges to a fixed or detachable magazine or as a device inserted with cartridges into the mechanism of a firearm becoming, in effect, part of that mechanism."
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FirearmsGlossary/
One point of my article is that just about the only restrictions on gun acquisition and use here in Arizona are federal. Other states have more restrictive gun laws. The stats you deride? The raw data came from the CDC. The CDC counts dead bodies. That's even more extensive than the FBI, as the FBI does not record every death by firearm, just those involving criminal activities.
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Waltggura 01/18/2011 1:14:00 AM
MULTIPLE TARGETS. criminals operate many times in GANGS, with lookout men, getaway drivers and the like. anytime you draw to stop a armed robery you must always be aware of ALL your threats. also, crazed men can function through a flesh wound and may require more than one hit. police departments went to semi-automatic pistols for these very reasons.
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Gshubbert 01/18/2011 1:05:00 AM
Great piece of fiction where facts are disregarded. Propaganga comes from the left as well as he right and this clap-trap is full of it. People need to work these days at being truely informed. This pseudo journalistic writing is as far left as Sean Hanity is far right. People need to form their own opinions and stop the laziness of jumping on the band wagons of "My side is right and your side is wrong" The real problem lies within the state of mental health treatment in this country.
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WALTGGURA 01/18/2011 1:04:00 AM
The very first gun control laws on this continent REQUIRED PARISHNER TO CARRY A GUN TO CHURCH to defend in case of indian attack. They had a habit of waiting until everyone was inside, then burning the church.The only thing that stops a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun. When you grow up to be a responsible adult maybe you
will want to defend people too.
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Waltggura 01/18/2011 12:48:00 AM
imagine a world without guns!
so would you rather be blungened to death with a club, cut in half with a broadsword.
a gun makes the 90 lb grandmother the equal of the 300 lb crazed attacker thats breaking down her door.
when you're afraid you call a man with a gun.
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Mikeboman 01/18/2011 12:47:00 AM
reguardless of the gun laws, he would have been able to get the gun and ammo anyway. I just love when these so called reporters try to shove their liberal point of view down our throats and want us to believe that it is the ONLY WAY we should believe. My prayers go out to the victims and their families, but don't make it all about the gun laws.
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Waltggura 01/18/2011 12:35:00 AM
pass a law limiting guns to 5 rounds. all law abiding people will obey.
i'm sure the next killer will obey it too!
or maybe they will cary 3 or 4 guns
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Mike 01/18/2011 12:29:00 AM
Part 4: Your use of VPC's "statistics" on gun deaths is further evidence3 of your journalistic laziness. You haven't bothered to check the facts yourself, you merely cut-n-pasted shit off of the VPCs handout. How sad this piece is. How UN convinvcing it is. All this crap you've included, Dudnik, VPC, sb1070, really doesn't help clarify, it only muddies the waters. BTW, if the present system is so bad, WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION FOR IMPROVEMENT?
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Waltggura 01/18/2011 12:29:00 AM
check your facts, it might seem like there is less crime in europe then the usa but i
really doubt it. include knife assaults.
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01/18/2011 12:26:00 AM
I had a situation as an off-duty cop when I was in a bank that was robbed. There was never a time that it would have been appropriate to draw my weapon and confront the actor, even though his back was to me twice. I ended up using a cell phone to call his tag number in. An unmarked unit picked him up, and followed him until the Tactical Narcotics Team took him down, safely, on their terms, with full tactical advantage.
Had you been there in the crowd in Tucson with your own Glock, do you think you could have shot Loughner without endangering anyone in the crowd? What about over-penetration?
Unless you are training quarterly and practicing weekly, you have no business engaging an active shooter. There is also the small matter of not getting killed by the cops when they arrive on that active shooter scene.
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Waltggura 01/18/2011 12:25:00 AM
automatic weapons are strictly controled by the batfe, and have rearly if ever been used in crime since al capone's days. police, military, and well-healed collectors only.
semi-automatic weapons are what civilians cary, they work like revolvers, one bullet for each triger pull.
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Mike 01/18/2011 12:20:00 AM
part 3: writing like this will get you flunked out of high school writing class..
"the issue is... 31-round clip over the counter like it was a bag of Halloween candy." and "practically handing them out on every street corner." Age 3 has more irrelevan drivel, somehow tying sb1070 and R Pearce's use of the tunnel to this "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy."
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russ 01/18/2011 12:15:00 AM
well in most cases it doesn't matter because living arrangements in the military have evolved over the last 20 years from common barracks with common showers to private dorm rooms with private showers. but there are still instances where it could become a major issue among those closely quarter together or forced to shower together.other than that it is all unfortunately a prejudice thing.
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Waltggura 01/18/2011 12:13:00 AM
a gun is the orignial 'point and click' device. any teenager can handle one with minimal training.
it happened to me one night, if i didnt happen to have a gun with me me, my wife, 2 clerks and 4 others could have lost our lives.
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russ 01/18/2011 12:09:00 AM
and who asked you to decide what I need? If the Cop that come through my door to confiscate my guns (remember mayor ray nagen in Louisiana after hurricane katrina?) has a clip with 10 rounds then i want my clip to have 20. and you bet your ass i would have fired on them, and yes i would probably be dead, but i wouldn't have been the only one. and all of the spilled blood would rest solely on the mayor and the police that followed that UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDER!
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russ 01/18/2011 12:03:00 AM
i would love to leave the politics out of this, but unfortunately the politicians and the sheriff MADE IT POLITCAL!
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Jaforush 01/18/2011 12:01:00 AM
What does someones sexuality have to do with putting their life on the line?
Should we ban vegetarians from the military also? only real men eat meat right?
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Mike 01/18/2011 12:01:00 AM
part 2: Then you allow the rabid anti-gun nut Daniel Vice to spew lies. The shooter could've killed 6 people with a 10 round MAGAZINE too. He could've carried lots of the 10's and reloaded spent mags all day, until he got tackled, that is. Also, the AWB (assault weapons ban) didn't really make the high-cap mags and so-called Assault Weapons totall illegal, it just drove the price up.
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russ 01/17/2011 11:59:00 PM
i would like to have section 1 clarified to not include the childeren of ILLEGAL aliens, because this particular line;"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." was never meant to include children born to people who crossed our border illegally, but was meant to ensure that all freed slaves were to become citizens. are you for encouraging pregnant women to cross the border illegally for the sole purpose of giving birth in the USA so that they are automatically citizens? If so, what do you say to the millions of people around the world who wait their turn and immigrate to this country legally?
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Mike 01/17/2011 11:55:00 PM
part 1: The story falls short on telling us HOW "Arizona's Lax Gun Laws Helped Make Tucson's Jared Lee Loughner Possible." Lemmons laziness is apparent, when he keeps using the innacurate term "clips." And, what does Dupnik's comment Arizona being a "mecca" for bigotry got to do withg anything?
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Sorhirio 01/17/2011 11:55:00 PM
This idiot passed a federal background check to get his gun, which is what the state of Arizona requires. Take it up with the Federal Government for not being able to read minds and know what every a-hole intends to do. A person buying a gun does not kill people btw... a person being stupid enough to use it for his/her own personal agenda does. Blame the murderer and leave polotics out of the issue.
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russ 01/17/2011 11:45:00 PM
spoken like a true drunken idiot who thinks he's ten foot tall and bulletproof. no one invited you to come to Arizona so please just stay there in your trailer park.
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russ 01/17/2011 11:37:00 PM
and have you noticed that in those countrys you mentioned that every one of them is a SOCIALIST STATE? their citizens have NO guaranteed rights that cannot be taken away at whim by the govt? their people can riot in the streets with sticks and stones but only the govt has firearms and therefore is all powerful. i lived in england for 3 years and i watched as the poll tax was instituted against the peoples will and the govt faced no consequences because the people were powerless to effectively rise up against the govt. if you feel so safe there....then please go and live there and leave me with my frightening freedom.
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russ 01/17/2011 11:29:00 PM
really please go to http://www.colt.com/law/m4.asp and take a close look at the safety lever. you will notice that it is a 3 position safety. semi, AUTO, and safe and please read the article below the picture..it is specifically marketed to LAW ENFORCEMENT!
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. ". this is directly from the declaration of independence. it is the reason we are allowed BY RIGHT to keep and bear arms.
The Nazis disarmed the Jews before they rounded them up and gassed them all... that is the result of gun control laws..
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Cajungman 01/17/2011 11:09:00 PM
you have nothing to bite asswipe and i dont need a gun to proiect me or mine FUCK YOU AN THE REST OF YOU ASSWIPES IN ARIZONA
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raven 01/17/2011 11:08:00 PM
So you are for changing the constitution of the 14th amendment?
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russ 01/17/2011 11:04:00 PM
to what domestic enemies do you refer? wanting to change the constitution does not make you a domestic enemy. if that were the case, then the 13th amendment that abolished slavery would never had been written.
if the 14th is changed by constitutional means then so be it. if it is declared null and void by any other means then i will defend it until i stop twitching. how about you?
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russ 01/17/2011 10:54:00 PM
i understand that in a police state it is good to be armed as well as the police.
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russ 01/17/2011 10:53:00 PM
Cajungman, although i have no way to prove it to you, i retired from the military in 2005. so take your assumptions and your "tough guy" bull#$%^&^ and bite me!
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russ 01/17/2011 10:43:00 PM
the anti gun elements of the media and the govt try to use the "1 baby poops it's pants and we all have to wear diapers" philosophy to push their agenda
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raven 01/17/2011 10:41:00 PM
I hope that includes our domestic enemies that are trying to change the 14th amendment, I hope you're fighting that with such vigor as you are doing with this.
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russ 01/17/2011 10:34:00 PM
dennis do you see how well gun control worked for the jews?
Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons
11 November 1938
With a basis in §31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p.265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and §9 of the Führer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p 1331) are the following ordered:
§1
Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
§2
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.
§3
The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in §1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power.
§4
Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of §1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.
§5
For the implementation of this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions.
§6
This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.
Berlin, 11 November 1938
Minister of the Interior
Frick
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russ 01/17/2011 10:32:00 PM
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens.
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01/17/2011 10:26:00 PM
Whether or not you support gays in the military, the f-word is on par with the n-word. I don't censor folks, but you reveal yourself as a bigot by using it.
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russ 01/17/2011 10:23:00 PM
lou, someday you may be sitting in your car or walking down the street and someone who doesn't give 2 hoots about you, the law, or probably his own life and points a gun at you and demands your wallet, or possibly threaten to kill your wife if she doesn't give him what he wants. and there is no guarantee that he wont kill you or her even if you do.... at this point in your life you WILL remember your anti gun comments and regret them...they might even be your last thoughts. or you could exercise you constitutional right to keep and bear arms and put that piece of crap down like the dog he is and live and be free for another day. you decide.