Feedback for the Issue of Thursday, January 20, 2011

GUN CRAZY

We’re all so predictable: Typical of New Times to call for strict gun control in Arizona when an obviously crazy person, who could have done his murderous deed [almost] anywhere in the nation unimpeded, killed the six people and injured [13] others in Tucson (“Day of the Dead,” Stephen Lemons, January 13).

You alternative newspaper types are so predictable. You will always push gun control, when the citizens of Arizona have spoken time and again that we don’t want it. We have a constitutional right to own guns, by God, and we would rather die than turn into New York or California.

Save your breath, New Times. This isn’t a place where pussy liberals like you guys will ever win the day.
Lester May, Phoenix

NRA arguments are full of it: Gun violence here is through the roof, and the fact that this guy, Jared Loughner, is crazy doesn’t mean he would have been able to buy his gun no matter what — even if Arizona had required in New York-style gun registration.

And what’s wrong with registration, anyhow? We have to register for a lot of things in a civilized society. For instance, our cars. If you want to own a lot of cars, you have to pay a lot of license fees.

The National Rifle Association arguments are full of shit. With licenses, only non-law-abiding NRA members wouldn’t be able to get guns.

Hmmm, is the NRA worried that only a small percentage of its members would qualify? If not, why all the bitching over the very idea that life-threatening weapons — like semiautomatics — should require permits?!
Ray Bell, Tucson

That’s a lot of dead bodies: For the sake of the literate — those who actually check facts — the murder rate in Australia is 0.0150324 per 1,000 people. In the United States it’s 0.042802 per 1,000 people. In other words, the United States is almost three times as high.

With more than 300 million Americans, that makes for a lot of dead bodies. How many dead are worth your need to put something large, black, and hard in your hand?
Kit Carson, Phoenix

Well, not “anywhere”: Gun laws had nothing to do with the shooting [in Tucson]. Whether it be a 10-round clip or a 30-round clip, [Jared Loughner] still would have killed someone! Even though the man is fucking crazy, he had no criminal record, no psychiatric hospitalization; thus, he still could have purchased a gun legally anywhere in the country!
Ken Johnson, Phoenix

Guns for sale in NT: A search for “pistol” in the Sports Equipment section of New Times free classified ads turned up two pages with about 200 entries for items offered for sale, many offered by individuals, not gun dealers.

A person who wants to buy a gun is able to obtain one from an individual with no background check at all, so the system that didn’t identify [the Tucson] shooter could have easily been bypassed even if he had been in the database.

Before you start condemning gun availability, look in the mirror and see how much New Times might be contributing to the problem.
Ron Maty, Phoenix

Why not just blame everything on Satan?: Sin and evil make all things possible. Don’t blame the local gun laws. Blame Satan.
Billy Buck, Phoenix

“Sanely” is the key word, Carol:How can anybody sanely argue that we don’t need stricter gun control — particularly in Arizona?!
Carol Mann, Tucson

Got any more clichés for us, Bob?:Guns don’t kill people; people kill people. If we take guns away, the only people who suffer are law-abiding citizens, because they can no longer protect themselves from the criminals who get guns, regardless of the laws.

It doesn’t matter that Loughner bought the gun legally. Even if he would have been prevented from buying the gun through legitimate avenues, he would have gotten one on the street or on Craigslist.

Moreover, it doesn’t matter that anyone can conceal carry in Arizona now. Even if we didn’t have that law on the books, Loughner would have hidden the gun and still harmed the innocent victims in Saturday’s shooting.

The Second Amendment gives me my right to bear arms, and you’ll have to pry my gun out of my cold dead hands if you want to take it away. Perhaps New Times should focus on the tragic state of our mental healthcare system in Arizona.
Bob Cobb, Phoenix

A twist on the old cliché: Guns don’t kill people. Crazy people with guns kill people.
Chad Snow, Peoria Or how about all loons?: By all anecdotal evidence, Jared [Loughner] was an insane liberal. His own friends called him a “left-wing pot head” (“Shooter Described by Classmate as ‘Left-Wing,’” James King, Valley Fever blog, January 8).

Solution: Keep guns out of the hands of left-leaning loons.
Byte Rider, city unavailable

 
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Eyvmc
Eyvmc

There are deaths from guns every day across the US. But as usual, the media picks on Arizona. The media is milking this for all they can get.

Sure didn't hear much out of the media about the death of Robert Krentz, who was shot and murdered on his own land by a border jumper. The public wouldn't be hearing all this gun controll talk, if Judge Roll and Giffords were not victims of this unstable man. Somehow political figures are viewed more important, than the average American, and those in Congress make that very clear.

Americans should have the right to protect themselves, as Congress has never secured the borders; lets in anyone into this Country regardless of their loyalties, and ignores what the majority of Americans want.

Dimecius
Dimecius

Everytime there is a shooting people get on the pulpit and say that it is time for gun control. It is a farce, he could just have easily drove over everyone in a SUV, he could have wielded a knife, he could have used a baseball bat if he wanted to. Unfortunately he slipped through the system. They ran a background check on him and there wasn't anything to prevent him from from buying as most of his crimes were sealed when he turned 18. You don't legislate tougher regulations on the law obiding gun owners over one insane person. This has happened before, Kent State Univeristy. Unfortunately all of you that want tougher gun laws, it only makes crime go up, the bad guys will still get them, you are just preventing the rest of the public from defending ourselves. You need to be honest, you shouldn't rely on the government to provide your safety, it isn't their job to make sure no crime happens, but rather stop it as it is happening or after it happened. Violent crime has been at its lowest levels in over thirty years, and it is only because more and more civilians are exercising the right to defend themselves. It is estimated that somewhere between 1-2 Million people a year use firearms to deter or stop crime. So stop your predictable knee Jerk reaction, but your effort where it willl actually do good, Go after the mental health departments and universities that allowed this to happen. Go after District Attorneys, and liberal Judges that let people plea down cases only to get oput and do more crime. And there should be only 1 second chance. You can't stop events like this with laws, it is impractical. However, if the guy onsite with his concealed carry actually used it, perhaps less people would have been shot. I am not blaming him, but if there was ever a case to use your CCW firearm... that was it. I don't care if you agree with me about the numbers, or the truth that everything I said is true.... that is your choice, but the rest of us aren't going to let you take away my ability to protect my families and loved ones. The best way to opress a society is to remove their weapons. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!! If you don't like it, there s always California... they never have events like this? Right. Your heart is in the right place after an tragedy like this happened, but your actions are entirely misguided. You need to educate yourself on the issue first.

Donna
Donna

The state of Arizona is missing out on such an obvious and very rich source of income I can't believe legislators haven't already thought of it. Taxes on guns and ammunition! It's not gun control, it's simply recouping the societal cost of gun ownership. No one can deny that guns come with a huge cost to society. From the cost of incarcerating people who use guns in the commission of a crime to the medical costs for people killed or injured by guns, the price tag is astronomical. Sure, people have a right to own guns. They also have a right to smoke cigarettes. Both take a heavy toll on society, so why not tax guns to the same extent we tax smokes? And do you know how cheap a gun license is? Way too cheap.

Of course, you can't tax illegal guns. But if the price of a legal weapon is high enough illegal gun dealers can raise their prices (just cheaper than legal weapons) thus shutting out buyers who can't afford guns. Small time crooks would have to resort to knives.

Come on, legislature! Balance the budget by taxing guns and ammo.

AzPatriot
AzPatriot

Here we go again.Every time some nut job with a handgun comes out of the shadows and pops off a few rounds,everybody goes apeshit and starts crying for stricter gun control.I am not a gun freak nor a flaming liberal,but just wish that I had been in Tucson that day,LEGALLY carrying my LEGALLY concealed .44 magnum.I guarantee you that this particular nut job would not be standing trial.Gun control means using TWO hands so you hit what you're aiming at.

Porfirio McDiaz
Porfirio McDiaz

As Captain of my blockwatch group I need one of those shoulder-held surface to air rocket launchers. That's a critical component for any well organized militia.

kc
kc

Who's paying for congressman Gifford to rehab in Houston? Who is paying for the plane, the medical team accompanying the congressman? Who is paying for the police escort to take Gifford to the air force base?

Brewer wants to do away with medical care for the poor, but we can afford to pay for Gifford to rehab in Houston!

Docbob498th
Docbob498th

While I agree that ther are many untrained, unpracticed gun owners in this state, what good will it do to enact more laws when CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY THE LAW. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CALLED CRIMINALS.

Gonsalosoto
Gonsalosoto

I just moved from here from Northern California. I don't own a gun, but with all the Violence around here i feel like i should Purchase one. I hear of House Break ins and shoot outs all the time. Just because this guy went crazy doesn't mean the violence will stop. If i buy a guy and someone breaks into my house while i'm asleep i'm gonna pull the trigger. Now i'm just another statistic contributing to Murder, Now the whole point of this is in California i can't Register to own a gun, But in Az i can go on the PHX Times and get one Today.. See whta i Mean, Arizona needs to Step up there Gun Law... Gonzo PHX

Cajungman
Cajungman

you must have big ball that turn to chit, you probaly be the first 1 to run,been there done that its takes alot to kill other human

Cajungman
Cajungman

asswipes like you need to be put away from other people

Mistalee
Mistalee

Exactly. When portable surface-to-air missiles are outlawed, only outlaws will have surface-to-air missiles!

Docbob498th
Docbob498th

where, exactly, is the trigger located on a "guy"?

 
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