Ask a Mexican on Ninth-Generation Texans and What Mexican Are Good For

I'm a white, rural, ninth-generation Texan who left the farm and is now a lawyer for a large corporation in one of the largest cities in the state. Maybe a quarter of the clients they assign me speak Spanish, so the company's paying for me to learn Spanish. I'm glad, not only for work-related reasons, but also because I just moved into a neighborhood close to the heart of the city, and 85 percent of the residents in my ZIP Code speak Spanish. I love this neighborhood. Only a few blocks from me are little tiendas, pupuserías, taquerías, botánicas, and mercados; all the people who work there are so nice, and all of their products are of excellent quality and price. When I enter the stores, I'm usually the only white guy in the place, and everyone's speaking Spanish to each other.

When I go in or, also, when I'm walking around the neighborhood and see my neighbors, how should I greet Spanish speakers? I worry that, since I don't know Spanish, if I say, "Hola," and can't follow it up with a basic conversation in Spanish, I'll come across as patronizing. And I feel like if I walk up to the counter at the tienda and say, "Hi! How are y'all?" to the clerk and his wife who are talking in Spanish to each other, I'll come across as one of those gringos who wants everyone to speak English to him. Which is more appropriate? I'm hoping to be conversational in Spanish soon (I'm a month into my course and am progressing nicely), so when I reach that point, would that change your answer?
Abogado Blanco

You can be as unknowing in Spanish as the host of the BBC's Top Gear or fully conversant in all of Cervantes' works, and my answer would be the same: Ditch the hola. To not come off as patronizing, to appear at the very least down with la raza and, at best, someone willing to learn the lengua, greet Mexicans formally by the time of day: buenos días for morning until the early afternoon, buenas tardes for the afternoon until the beginning of the sunset, and buenas noches for nighttime. Doing that will show any wab that you are polite and that you've made enough effort to learn Spanish linguistic formalities beyond the tú/usted divide. Indeed, it's those little touches that help us Mexis determine whether the new gabacho in the barrio is a good neighbor that we can invite over for carne asada Sundays and marry off our brainy daughters to, or some patronizing hipster looking to gentrify us out of existence.

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Showing the world the irrational insecurity of gabachos.

Good Mexican of the week: John Boessenecker isn't a Mexican, but the subject of his latest masterpiece is. The San Francisco lawyer has a hobby of penning great books about the turbulent early years of California, a time when gabachos invaded Mexican territory, married Mexican women, then proceeded to rip off the native families at every possible turn, provoking said Mexicans to turn Robin Hood and defend la raza against capricious gringo invaders — or, at least that's the story told in Chicano Studies. Boessenecker tackles one of those folk heroes in Bandido: The Life and Times of Tiburcio Vasquez. Using sparse, descriptive prose and combing through hundreds of newspapers, letters, and archives, Boessenecker reconstructs Vasquez's life and shows that the reality of the man is somewhere between the romanticized legend and the murderer he was. Essential reading for lovers of history, of the West, and for understanding why Mexicans in California are always encabronados.

 
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CALLAREN
CALLAREN

Illegals are dumbsmart. They need to be escorted out by the millions asap., at the points of bayonets if necessary Screw the lot

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Usgovfail
Usgovfail

Our economy does not work off of illegal immigrants. Our economy is failing in PART to illegals, people who do not pay taxes. Or in other words, people who do not pay for what they use. If I go to a restaurant to eat dinner, I do not expect the people at the table next to me to pay for my food. Or better yet, I do not expect the restaurant owner to pay for my meal. What is so difficult about waiting yoru tun in line and coming to America legally? Do you opne borders people have no dignity? Do you not see the value of working and keeping what you earn? Why do you think that what I earn belongs to you? My paycheck is not yours. What I earn, I should be able to keep and I should be able to choose to share it if I want. Thats the beauty of America, CHOICE. You liberal leftys are ruining this nation and soon it will be just another lawless Mexico. Then who will you look to for food stamps, education and medical when no one is paying for anything? Fools. Take your socialism and get out.

Usgovfail
Usgovfail

I can tell you this, for you racists that hate white people, my grandparents came to America LEGALLY. They became citizens and paid taxes. My mother and father are both US citizens born in the USA, they paid taxes their entire working life. I was born in the USA, I have paid taxes my entire working life, except for a paper route I had when I was 12. Why were my grandparents able to come to America LEGALLY, 100 years ago when we had less technology yet people today refuse to wait their turn in line and come here legally? Its because you are lazy freeloaders who want a better life at someone elses expense. I don't need illegal immigrants here. America benefits from LEGAL immigrants who pay taxes and help contribute to the pot which pays for public services they use. I cook my own food, I clean my house, I wash my car, I do my own landscaping and if I have to I will grow and pick my own food and stitch my own clothes. Illegal is not a race, it is a crime. Come to America legally, help pay taxes to help pay for the public services you are using, or don't come here at all.

for the haters
for the haters

It seems like everyone who comments on this article loves illegal immigrants every time they post something like this, the same people are commenting I guess there obsessed with illegal immigrants because they make sure they got time to post some stvpid shlt and its always the same comment that was posted before, Get a life people and stop downplaying illegal immigrants, they are hard workers and your just a fat white slob commenting of how they took your job at McDonald's

Another thing don't bother commenting if you do it just shows me that i described you in my comment

Embry1123
Embry1123

Tiaga22,

You are obviously missing the point here, although I do like your double tax idea. However if the laws were followed the Illegal Immigrants (mexican, or who ever) would not be here in the first place which would then make it impossible for the dirty rotten corporations to hire them. You really must look at the initiator in this whole situation which is the illegal aliens. As you said... no supply, no demand.

Me rul
Me rul

i guess, but our economy works of illegal immigrants, sayign we dont want somethign and finding ways to get them are two different stories... they need to get one.

Just my Thoughts
Just my Thoughts

Bob you have actually hit the nail on the head with 1 sentence out of all your posts"You really must look at the initiator in this whole situation"

Look it this with a bit of logic.The immigrants were in Mexico with no jobs, but they had their family, friends and the law of the land on their side when disputes with foreigners erupted.

You espouse that they come to the US where they have no friends or families, hostile attitude from neighbors and the law of the land is against them in any dispute PLUS some pay a large sum of money to be transported all to arrive back at the point where they started at - NO Job.You then espouse that companies then seeing a need of the immigrant to have employment then create jobs to give them while saying PISS OFF to US citizens who go after the same jobs.

Common sense dictates that a person does not leave the relative safety and comfort of the area of origin unless there is a substantive gain to be achieved by expending what limited resources that are possessed in the first place to reach the new area.

In other words, You ain't gonna spend your last $100 bucks unless you KNOW for absolute certain that you can make more then what you outlaid to get there.

So common sense dictates that the root cause is the companies paying wages to undocumented immigrants. Those companies will keep paying those wages as long as they make more in profit then they lose in fees and fines.

If you folks were serious about curbing undocumented immigration then you would be pushing your local, regional, state and federal governments to enact crippling fines, say 1% or the company's prior year profit per undocumented worked found to be employed.A truly punitive fine like that would dry up the jobs within a few hours to a few days of it being enforced on the first one to break it.

With no reason to expend their limited resources in the first place improper immigration would shrink by over 90% very rapidly. It would also be an inducement for those that would have left to agitate for better conditions in their homelands.

Tiaja22
Tiaja22

It is amazing how you all can down talk another race. Why not get upset about the companies that are giving jobs to the illegal Mexicans instead of talking about them. If someone offers something it will get taken. If you cut off the supply then the demand will not be there.

Start with the corporations and crack down on them. They are the ones who hire them right???

I say let’s let the illegal’s stay here and pay double taxes until they get their citizenships. We can all help each other.

Emmpire
Emmpire

We need to convert all of these Latino people to either Protestantism, Judaism, Buddhism, or Islam. The Catholic church is responsible for all of the illegal crap we are going through, because they do not espouse BIRTH CONTROL! When are these ignorant people going to get it?

Linn_alan
Linn_alan

It's a shame people like this are so ignorant and enjoy criticizing other people. It must be their ignorance that makes them believe that this whole problem is based on religion. Even abstinence is an option, if necessary. I believe ALL immigrants should go through the citizenship process and be documented like most of our ancestors in this country (US) today. I don't believe many of these immigrants would be coming to the U.S. if it weren't for the benefits and jobs they are getting. Most of the jobs aren't desirable to very many citizens here. I also believe that if I wanted to live in another country, one of the first things I would do is learn the main language there to help assimilate myself to that culture. There are people that have been here more than 10 - 15 years that don't try to acclimate themselves.

Bob
Bob

Do you mean our ancestors before or after the 14th amendment was passed?

I really prefer it to be before, that way people could come over here and become businessmen, and captain's of industry and farmers and they could employ others.Or they could settle in the foothills and back hollows of various mountains and become distillers of whiskey. Or they could settle in their own little communities where they could keep speaking their native language and have their native religion and even be allowed to disregard some state laws because those laws did not agree with their religious views, but hey those folks make some really neat hand made furniture.

DrTeeth
DrTeeth

I want to be a good neighbor so I can be invited over for carne asada and to marry a brainy daughter!

Embry1123
Embry1123

If someone living in the United States classifies themselves as "Mexican" then they are NOT in my honest opinion, an American. If someone here classifies themselves as African American, Mexican American, Irish American or ANY other "_______American", I do not consider them American either. My ancestoral lineage is French and they arrived here AFTER the slaves had been freed, we DO NOT refer to ourselves as French Americans. You are either American or you are not. If you are here illegally, you are not American, nor are your children, unless they become naturalized. The fact that Illegals are receiving free funding to attend college, even sickens me more. This is taking away from the finances available to AMERICAN children of AMERICAN parents. "Illegal aliens" are named that for a reason, they are here ILLEGALLY and they are ALIEN to the U.S.A. Lets not forget that FACT! Racist you say??? NO I AM NOT! I am required to abide by the laws of this country and I expect ALL others to do the same.

Abe
Abe

Amen! If anyone tries to associate the violence of the drug traffic with "Illegal Immigration" that's WRONG also. Most of the drugs that get into this country from Mexico are being sold to American citizens.

BigJess
BigJess

It seems like you want to get some jobs back and improve the quality of life for Americans...so, do you favor raising taxes and paying down the national debt? Oh and so you know, if you are 9th generation mexican living in the US...they are American...but you probably didn't learn that in school because some mexican took your seat in a classroom, right?

bob
bob

no... but I do favor cutting useless programs and the funding of ILLEGAL aliens in order to get out of the red! How about you? By the way, a person could be here for 9 generations, beginning illegally and STILL be here illegally. you are making an assumption that somewhere along the line there was a LEGAL American that married into the ILLEGAL family. Being born here of Illegal parents, no matter how long they continue to propogate in the US, does NOT make them a citizen. This is being debated right now and will be found to be true.

Roro
Roro

Sorry guy, Supreme Court decided the issue of the 14th amenment over 110 years ago and it has been upheld on several subsequent occasions that if you're born here, you're a citizen unless your folks are diplomats. Too bad your lust for ethinic cleansing doesn't have a chance. If you really want something to stew about here's one: Anyone born in Puerto Rico, The American Virgin Islands, or on Guam is a U.S. citizens by birth. Anyone born in American Samoa is a U.S. national by birth with unrestricted access to the U.S. unless one parent is a U.S. citizen and then that individual is also a U.S. citizen by birth.

Guest
Guest

Mr. Arellano,

Defined Mexican.

You infer they are brown. A large portion of Mexicans are white.

You infer they speak Spanish. A large portion of Mexicans DON'T speak Spanish.

You seem to be tying yourself to a stereotype that "Mexicans are Spanish speaking brown folk." How completely untrue that is.

Mexican is not a "race", it's not a "culture", it is a person who lives in Mexico which is filled with many races and many subcultures. Not liking Mexicans doesn't make one a racist or a xenophobe no more than not liking Americans makes you a racist or xenophobic.

Just curious to know what your thoughts are.

The Hymn of The Haters
The Hymn of The Haters

Mr. Arellano,I am a Los Angeles born Caucasian who is sick to death of all this chickenshit 1070 whiteman, cry baby bullshit. I am proud of my Tuetonic heritage, as well as I encourage all people to be proud of who they are. To sit around, pissing and whining about the folks of another race is insulting and repugnant to me. Growing up in SoCali I had the opportunity to work around the so-called "wetbacks", who never failed to impress me as hard working and rather skilled employees. If I ever had any problem at all with them it was their lack of English skills... a detriment more to them than to me.

For the fools who prefer to hate what is beyond their comprehension to understand, I will no longer try to explain that back in the 1970s & 1980s, the lovable La Migra was on the rampage same as today, just not so anally militant about their ethnic cleansing policies as they are now.I doubt you'd be surprised that Mexicans here illegally to work in the fields were ignored entirely as they stood dozens deep along any given highway in Cali to do the pickin and the chuckin that we fatass, lazy Americans had no interest in.But La Migra, State, County and city cops drove past their multitudes everyday, knowing damned good and well what was up with them, as they targeted car washes, boat building companies, etc. to grab up the numbers to show they are on the job.The infantile paranoia about the Brown Horror as perpetuated by Jan Brewer, Nazi sycophant and wrinkle titted wonder of AZ., accomplished what the hag was truly out for... the door keys to the governor's mansion.

Sure there are trouble makers here from Mexico, but the percentage might be closer to 10 than to the mindlessly exaggerated numbers that stand as official tally. And the percent of those who take up the welfare dole will reduce the tax ratio if they are kicked out of USA. But guess what, Haters, you won't see a damned penny of the savings to welfare... B U T you freaks will see an increase in food costs of like at least 20% if not more. Who will they whine to then ?Jan Brewer. Now that is funny.Steve Tracy... Phx.

Ken
Ken

Look in the mirror moron...you will know what a real freak looks like you brown ass kisser!!

Smh6669
Smh6669

Look in the mirror ??? Why Ken, will you be standing behind me ???I already know what a W H I T E freak of nature looks like... like you, a tattoed little punk-ass bitch of a Hater, with poltical tats all over his filthy countenance that he got on the "four yard" of A.D.O.C.You see, KennyPoo, it's human garbage like yourself that makes me glad to be Caucasian and NOT A WHITE PIECE-OF-SHIT named Ken.I'd rather kiss brown ass than any white shit encrusted ass such as what shit like you sit on. Go try to do something besides hatin on things you have no understanding of.YOU WHITE COCK-SUCKERS REALLY ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT TO US CAUCASIANS... B I T C H...

Leon  Wickard
Leon Wickard

THIS ARTICLE HAS HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. I RECENTLY MOVED TO MEXICO. I WAS WONDERING THE EXACT SAME THING. SHOULD I SAY HOLLA OR SPEAK ENGLISH. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY.

Iab
Iab

official language of this country is English-

what other country allows foriegners to come in and force thier ways????

most would shoot em.. never mind deportation- friendly or not-- the U.S. has been invaded

Roro
Roro

Hey dufus, Puerto Ricans living Puerto Rico speak Spanish and they are American citizens by birth.

Majkumajku
Majkumajku

the u.s. has no official language,pendejo.it's only a dream of the right wing extremists in this country.there was never an official language,not since the revolution.even back then,they could not decide between dutch,english or german.i'd love to see you go to another country and be given the same treatment,just to hear you cry about how unfair and mean people are being to you.VIVAN EL HEROICO BATALLO´N de LOS SAN PATRICIOS!

Guest
Guest

The concept of "official language" wasn't "invented" until the 70's, Maj.

Samphx2006
Samphx2006

I'd love to see the immigrants from south of the border assimilate and become proud Americans instead of just living here while claiming to be a Mexican, etc. If the country they still claim to be a part of is so great, why did they leave?

Samphx2006
Samphx2006

Kind of arrogant for someone to be living in this country, making them an American, to identify with Mexico instead of the United States. And people like this wonder why there is such a push to fix illegal immigration.

Why ask this hater anything?
Why ask this hater anything?

Wow! Check out the no talent ass clown rewriting history. We took california from the Californios not mexicans. They were a separate spanish colony. Oh yeah you left out how caucasions were welcomed into the texas by the tejanos. Then mexico tried a land grab for texas and lost to a bunch back wood hicks.

Funny how this racist dip stick whines about intermarriage with "mexicans". What did the spanish do with the native americans / indigenous people? I mean other than torture and masacre them?

I married a spanish woman from NM whose family dates back to the 1600s in New Mexico. My inlaws don't consider themselve Mexican.

The Courtesy of inclusion demands the Courtesy of assimilation. Works for Italians, Chinese, Koreans, Europeans, etc.

Majkumajku
Majkumajku

Caucasians are not white people.get your geography straight!

 
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