By Ray Stern
By Ray Stern
By New Times
By Amy Silverman
By Stephen Lemons
By Stephen Lemons
By Monica Alonzo
By Chris Parker
Editor's note: A March 11 post on our culture blog, Jackalope Ranch, got so much attention in Yuma — a front page story in the Yuma Daily Sun, airtime on the NBC television affiliate, talk of a billboard in downtown Phoenix — we decided to share it this week in print. To see a slideshow from the trip, go to phxculture.com.
There is only one reason to drive all the way to Yuma — and we can't tell you much about it. It's a junk store at 315 Main Street that shares a cash register with the shop next door. The store has no signage and no business card, and after our visit, just one Brownie camera for sale. We scored the other one for $5. It's a great spot, filled with rusty campaign buttons, vintage glassware, and funky antique furniture that made us wish we had more trunk space. And it didn't even smell like old people, like most of the junk stores on Main Street in Yuma.
To be honest, the scent of old people is everywhere in this city, crammed so far down in the southwest part of the state that it's practically in Mexico or California, but not in a good way. Not unless you are 80-plus, participate in Main Street's Golden Roadrunners Dance Center, and own a gigantic RV, plenty of which we watched navigate the sad, wide streets of Yuma all day.
That's hardly the picture painted recently by the likes of Sunset Magazine and other media, both local and national (see the AZ Highways, L.A. Times, and Chicago Tribune coverage). Suddenly, inexplicably, Yuma is the "it city," instead of the armpit we've known only from the comfort of our air-conditioned car as we'd zipped past it, to and from San Diego. The local paper, the Yuma Daily Sun, even wrote an entire article earlier this month about all the positive press Yuma has gotten lately.
We maintain that Yuma is a pit stop, not a destination. But Sunset's March issue would have you think otherwise, and in anticipation of this weekend's Lettuce Days, the city is embracing the attention and trying to appeal beyond the RV set to the hipsters who study travel magazines and newspaper articles.
Anyone who's tried to navigate a city using a travel article knows the potential pitfalls. (Try following Thomas Kohnstamm's Lonely Planet guide to Colombia, which he later admitted to updating from his desk in San Francisco.) And if you've written one, you know all the tricks: Focus on just a few highlights; don't mention the empty lots or the fact that while that restaurant serves excellent tamales, its chips have a reputation for always being stale. Make sure you have a really good photographer along.
In other words, rub the stone a bit. We get that. But after reading Sunset's homage to Yuma, we had a feeling there was some turd-polishing going on. We headed southwest to investigate.
We visited almost all the stores, bars, and restaurants mentioned in the two-page spread, and also took in the sights at the hotel recommended by Sunset, the Coronado Best Western, and a new park.
Our advice: Stay home. Yuma hosts an annual arts festival, which hopefully brings in a few more "inspirations" than we saw in gift-shop windows. And the lettuce event they're talking about might be all that, and you might even get a kick out of visiting the territorial prison (the city's typical claim to fame and inspiration for the local high school's mascot, the criminal) but Yuma was not. In fact, a better sense of the older (and much cooler) city can probably be gathered by that one Hollywood Western with that one hot actor — made in 2007.
Let's begin with the food. The special at Lutes Casino (which has not, sadly, been a casino for quite some time) was a combination described by Sunset as "equal parts cheeseburger, hot dog, and awesomeness."
For us, it was like eating in the school cafeteria — two days in a row. The sandwich was tiny, the slice of American cheese (!) was only half-melted, and there is no way someone actually tasted that meat and described it as "awesome." Awful is more like it. The fries tasted like the freezer, and the live piano in the background only accentuated the dusty décor — a hodgepodge of odd pinups, ratty taxidermy, and a Lutes piñata. What was needed, more than George Carlin's coin-phrased "sense of Yuma," was a Clorox wipe and a bit of natural light (you'll believe us after you see our Yuma slideshow).
Unsatisfied, we drove around town in search of the River City Grill, another Sunset recommendation. When we finally found it (we don't think this is a neighborhood Sunset's readers would want to venture into after dark, or even in the light) the place was manicured and cute enough, by Yuma standards. The food — described in the magazine as "eclectic with the spices" — was edible. But barely worth driving a few blocks, let alone a few hundred miles. The River Wrap, the "owner's favorite," was huge and well plated, but bland. And the promised curry flavor in the chicken dish we ordered was just okay. Blame the place's clean, yet very Pier One, atmosphere for its reputation as the city's "cool" restaurant.
Past a quirky German deli aptly called Das Bratwurst Haus, we found the not-so-special arts and pottery galleries Sunset recommended, which were full of pinch-pot bake ware and glaze-heavy mugs. We later wished we'd grabbed a stein before heading to the artist co-op touted so enthusiastically that it was embarrassing. At least it occupies a retail space on the vacancy-ridden Main Street.
In fact, the only line we saw extending past a front door was outside of the Mexican consulate. And the only businesses with full parking lots were law firms (one even took over the historic U.S. Postal Service building). We yearned for downtown Mesa.
Sunset raved about a new park built on the old town dump, but to be honest, we'd rather let our kids run up and down the aisles of the Target just off Interstate 10, given the deserted slums we had to navigate to finally find the park. It's a nice amenity for locals; but again, definitely not a destination.
Now, if someone would rehab the Hotel del Sol on Third Street, just a couple blocks off Main, that would be something special. The place, built in the 1920s in a Spanish Colonial Revival style, looks like it put Tucson's Hotel Congress to shame back in the day. It's been placed on the National Register of Historic Places, but it's also boarded up and abandoned, leaving the Best Western as pretty much the only choice for lodging. Even if Bob Hope did slumber there once upon a time, we never will. We couldn't get past the green pool.
We returned home dusty and hungry, with a Brownie camera. And we did a little research and learned that last August, Sunset ran a piece similar to the one on Yuma. This one was all about the charms of Sierra Vista.
Fool us once.
Yuma has the highest crime rate per capita in Arizona. Yuma has a 61% high school graduation rate. Yuma has the worst athletic programs in high school sports. Yuma has the worst coaching staffs in Arizona. Yuma has the worst athletic directors in Arizona. Yuma has County supervisors who are in it for a paycheck only and not to help the county. Yuma has (some judges) that have nothing more than a law degree and if they didn't have that they would be working at Circle K. Yuma has a county (taxpayer) funded bail system releasing criminals within 24 hours after they are arrested. The list goes on and on but this should open up some eyes.
okay, i signed up just to say :YUMA SUCKS!
ive had to endure the 115F summers (6 months of summer, LOL) for 21 years.
yes, low crime, yes no cold, yes pretty feilds (untill you get crop dusted, 21 sent to hospital)
but thats it. if your looking for a sleepy town, this is it. if you 60+ its a great place. but THE FRIGGEN MALL IS OUT DOORS! who thought this up? the economy sucks, unemployment has not improved since 2008 when it all crashed. there are still houseing devlopents in place with no house since 2009 (i workd as a glazer)
no clubs, lots of seedy bars, not much else. lots of marines, lots of mexicans (50% ?) tho there is very little racial tension.
one hospital (only city in us that has 1 hospital for 120,000) and the docs have a bad rep.
yeah, river, san dunes, blah blah. if you can afford the toys, and dont mine the heat, its fun.
but it sucks, tho the 3 casinos might be a draw, if you can find a machine that is not a .01.
i hate this town. i never want to see it again. and yeah, the border patrol is a pain.
oh yeah,"yuma international airport" only flies to phoenix or san diego. but i guess the c-130 make it 'international'.
yeah, its great. if your old. or want to sleep your life away. and never leave anything in ur car. summer temp inside cars are in the 175 area. not joking.
Great article! I have lived in this town for 27 years and let me tell you.......This town sucks! The only way to get a good job is that if you know someone. And all these old people cant drive for shit!! just stinking up the place. It should be also called Shit city!!! Because people stop here from traveling to take a shit!!
Wow, you two sure did take that stodgy ol' Sunset magazine to task! Good Job! Also, the rippin' on "old people": neat! Didja happen to notice the Royal Motor Inn, the Torch Lite Lodge or even the Yuma Cabana? They easily rival anything in the lodging section of "Midcentury Marvels" or that "used to exist" on Apache, E. Van Buren and the few left around Grand Ave...Keep up the dull work.
One more thing to think about:
If you want to see Yuma grow like a normal city then getting rid of the Stazi like Border Patrol checkpoints on Highways 8 and 95 is a must.
By putting these checkpoints so far away from the border the US Federal Government has essentially ceded Yuma to Mexico and stunted it's growth potential. The checkpoints need to be put on the roads coming in from Mexico SOUTH of Yuma, thereby giving the feeling that Yuma is once again a part of the US. Yuma would love to attract greater numbers of creative types, artists, musicians, etc. They would love to have galleries and boutiques lining main street and major label bands playing venues in Yuma, but those things are hard to attract when people know that they have to go through militarized checkpoints to get in to and to leave Yuma.
Go to Berlin and the wall is gone, the checkpoints are empty, Checkpoint Charlie is a photo op for tourists, and you can cross all of western Europe without having to flash your passport.Go to Yuma and you will have to go through at least one and sometimes three militarized checkpoints in any direction leaving town. All it does is bother US citizens on US highways going about their daily lives, causing delays and traffic accidents in the process. The Border Patrols real job could be easily done on the roads south of Highway 8, stopping the flow of illegals and narcotics, without harassing the citizens of the US and impeding the progress of Yuma.
Seriously? These two authors are hilarious. If you go out looking for a bad time you will find a bad time. Fact is that Yuma has more in common with San Diego than it will ever have in common with Phoenix. The population is getting younger, hipper, and will continue to do so. The amenities keep growing. The Fry's market in the Yuma foothills is the biggest grossing Fry's anywhere in the state! It wouldn't be unless there was something cool going on there.Phoenix, Mesa, Scottsdale, etc...all are basically an annex of Los Angeles and enjoy all the nonsense that comes with that distinction...crime, crazy politicians, violence, etc. Tucson is, well, maybe one of the dirtiest towns in the west. Yuma, well, it's small, it's growing, and it beats the hell out of a lot of other places. Give it time and it'll have Trader Joes, art galleries, and a lot of renovations. But until then it has an international airport that lets it's residents live in the tranquility of the desert and still get to those appointments in LA and Seattle....
Yuma is a much better place now than it was 10 years ago. But after working,eating,drinking and staying in the local motels several times in the past ten years.......I find it a boring place without any good restaurants or bars or entertainment. The people that i encountered in Yuma have always been friendly and the crime in Yuma is no worse than other cities its size.. It seems to be a inexpensive place to retire or spend the winter and many of the locals seem to be happy living in Yuma.
I lived in Yuma for a year and I have to say that this article is so spot on, it's scary. I can see spending maybe half a day there at the most. The historic hotel downtown is beautiful and has been horribly neglected. It is a shame that something that special is in such bad condition. But hey Yuma has it's new million dollar river park that is located right next to a water treatment pond! You won't see that on the Hilton website...
I go to yuma every year for dove hunting and the place grows on ya. The people are really nice and their is some great places to eat like the beer and burgers place. Lets not forget the best place is jack and roses steak house, see ya in sept
The article reads like Amy and Claire already had their minds made up before getting to Yuma. They weren't looking for the potential good but found what THEY expected.
Typical NT drivel.
Amy and Claire,
Das Bratwurst Haus is not a deli. We are a German Restaurant with a full German menu. I wish you had stopped in for lunch or dinner. You would have enjoyed it. Maybe another time.
I've lived in Yuma for 35 years. Are there a lot of old people in Yuma? Yes, but by the end of March a large majority of them go home. Alot of the people who come to Yuma to retire were military people who served here at one time, These people liked it here so much they came back. What keeps people coming back to Yuma? It's the people. Yuma has some of the warmest most friendly people you will ever meet. I work nights at Shadows Lounge (considered a dive by some), In area of the city called Okie Town. It is one of the poorer neighborhoods in town, I have never had a problem. Neither do the many people walking around town at night, I would take the crime rate here over anyplace like Phoenix or Los Angeles. Yuma is not perfect. We have crime and drugs like any city, but we resent being called an armpit. Try spending more than a few hours here before you cut us down.
Seriously commenters? The best way to discourage tourists from visiting Arizona is to embellish a city's attractions. Yuma has come a long way; that's very true. But let's take a moment to reflect upon where it started from.....you getting the picture yet?Just because a place has improved doesn't make it a desirable place to visit. I'm sure it's a nice enough place to live. However, I would be p%ssed if I took a day to visit Yuma and I found nothing outstanding there. Imagine dragging kids there? No way. The authors aren't saying Yuma sucks all around. I didn't get that at all. They are saying that if you're thinking about taking your family on a SIX hour (round trip) drive to go to Lutes, then think again.
I have been traveling to/from Yuma for almost two decades and I can tell you that the city has come a long way. In addition, historical sites represent "destinations" for many travelers and Yuma's history with its territorial prison definitely fits that description. In addition, I am bothered the fact that a journalist in Arizona would try to turn something positive (i.e. potential tourist dollars and positive press) into a negative. The state of Arizona needs money badly and anything postitive in terms of press is a good thing. Why would you try to portray the 3rd-most populous area in Arizona negatively given the current economic circumstances? The article was very shortsided.
Oh, be nice to Yuma. They've come a long way and encounter many obstacles. I'll admit that I wouldn't send anyone there as a tourist destination, but people live there. It's a lifestyle: low cost of living, desert, dunes, beautiful rivers and lakes, mexico, san diego. If you like those sorts of things - you might like Yuma. If you don't, keep driving. Like Phoenix is that great?
(btw: I love going to Lutes and Red's. Greatest dive bars - if you like that sort of thing. Otherwise, you'll be more comfortable in Scottsdale.)
please keep your hipster asses i out of Yuma go drink some over priced wine eat some over priced food and follow what ever trend your currently following to fill in
I've been to Yuma many, many times. I spent a lot of time in the desert west of Yuma when I was doing studies in college (UCLA) and again years later when I was accompanied by my son, a budding biologist. Never have I had the guts to spend a night there. We would often get fast food at one of the restaurants just off the freeway but camp out in the desert to avoid the atmosphere (if you can call it that) in Yuma. Your article is 100 percent true, and while I haven't read the articles in the magazines/papers you mentioned, I can only believe Phoenix New Times is telling the truth, from my experience.
Jerry Feldner, Tempe
WOW! I just read, for the 5th time, your "A Sense of Yuma" trashing of the city of Yuma, AZ. I tried to find some untruths or at least some exaggerations in your article but found none; I hoped to write a rebuttal but you left me no mistakes to challenge, no ammunition to fire back with. I feel defensive and disappointed for many reasons but most of all because I am OLD, lived in Yuma for 11 years and all 4 of my children were born there. I suppose all I can say is the old cliche, "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". I didn't read any of those articles portraying Yuma as the "it city" so I really don't know what you had expected to find there. I do know that I would not reccomend Lutes Casino or Main Street as "must see" attractions. The best thing Yuma has going for it is the mild winter weather, therefore all the old people from Minnesota, the Dakotas and Canada. (All those RVs). I could name two Mexican restaurants that are the best in the world but I would not want you to go back and then trash them. The Quechan and Cocopah tribes own/operate resort/casinos that are equal to any in the Salt or Gila River valleys; however, they are full of old people! If you enjoy authentic Mexican or Indian culture/history, Yuma is a gem. Undocumented Mexicans might even outnumber the old people. (I love it). There are more Cocopah and Quechan Indians today than any other time in history. (I love it). Yuma offers some of the world's best bass fishing along with all popular water sports at Martinez Lake. The sand dunes across the river provide the best off-roading anywhere. I can't really think of anything that would attract those "hipsters" you mentioned. Now, about the "scent of old people". That hurt for two reasons: One, I am 74. Two, I am a longtime fan of your talent/work and never dreamed that you are so mean spirited. I've really thought a lot about the smell of old people; today I took a second shower and slapped on a double dose of Old Spice. I have no idea if that can mask the old person smell or not. I remember when as a little boy I hated it when my great-grandmother would hug me, partly because of her smell, partly because it just wasn't cool. I didn't associate her odor with age, I thought it had to do more with her lack of running water in her home and the fact that she smoked a pipe and chewed tobacco. Now, 70 years later, you have me wondering. Maybe a question for Clay Thompson? Those "deserted slums" are my old barrio, dear to my heart but certainly nothing to attract tourists. O.K., I've had my say: "Different strokes for different folks!".
P.S. I just learned to e-mail and have nothing better to be doing.
Geez Tomato- I'm starting to think this is getting to be a personal thing with you.So once again let's play, shall we?
"Get a load of this: Wayne now thinks New Times doesn't criticize Phoenix."
Can I borrow whatever drug you're currently doing? Anyone with a brain knows this statement is patently false. All the people reading have to do is go down a few responses and follow the links I've posted that show you're fabricating this out of thin air.
"What rock have you been living under?"
Oh you'd like it- it's all glittery and stuff, and the view is amazing.
"That paper is infamous to going after Phoenix, in every way imaginable."
Um yeah- I've kind of have been saying that for months now. Thanks for coming to the party, but you're sort of late. And you forgot the beer. Again.
"That's what the press does, you ninny."
Um, no. The Press is supposed to inform, enlighten, and sometimes- entertain. Going after easy targets doesn't strike me as true journalism, especially when both writers obviously didn't bother to do the merest of research.
"And I note that Wayne thinks that anybody who criticizes HIM has got to be the same person, while eschewing any hint that he may be writing under assumed names to further his vendetta against NT."
Considering you posted as "Ted" first, then "Tomato"- I consider this statement somewhat hypocritical. And the true meaning of vendetta requires bloodletting, which seems somewhat extreme to me.
"Getting lost in all this is: He started the whole flap by riling up the Yuma populace -- when he admits he's never been there."
Wow. I started all this? Right.
It couldn't possibly have had anything to do with Amy's article. Not a chance, says I.
With all due respect, Yuma was pretty riled up about the original blog before I came along, and if you've had been paying attention you would have noticed that I was invited to Yuma by the Media Director of the Yuma Tourist board, and I look forward to going.
"Becoming obvious in all this is: Wow, a lot of people can't stand this blowhard. A lot!"
Once again, you're right on the money. Fortunately, I have a lot more people who do support me with a much firmer grasp on grammar and reality than you.
Tomato- you have no idea how much I've missed you.So let's get down to brass tacks.
"Dear disappointed former fan, so effin' what?!"
Dear Tomato, why do you effin' care?
"Only New Times and Sunset Magazine hardly are competitors'
This is true. Nice grammar BTW, Sunset has professional journalists, New Times has journalism school hacks.
"What the paper obviously had a problem with was Sunset's and other publications' depictions of Yuma as a garden spot."
And yet- rather that go after Sunset's depiction, they went after Yuma with a literary hatchet. I see personal pettiness, not a professional overview regarding this article.
And many others share my opinion, whether you like it or not.
"That's total bullshit"
I couldn't agree more.
"and Amy Silverman and Claire Lawton called BS on these stupid travel articles."
Then why didn't they go after any other articles that Sunset previously wrote?
"Hey, are you Wayne's girlfriend, or possibly even Wayne?"
No such luck, my sassy Tomato. I really do enjoy how every time anyone defends my position, you claim the writer MUST be me. As much as I enjoy this one sided repartee, I don't really devote more than five minutes or so responding to one of your asinine rants.
It's obvious you have a personal axe to grind- it's a shame you're not man enough to shoulder it.
Dear disappointed former fan, so effin' what?! Only New Times and Sunset Magazine hardly are competitors. What the paper obviously had a problem with was Sunset's and other publications' depictions of Yuma as a garden spot. That's total bullshit, and Amy Silverman and Claire Lawton called BS on these stupid travel articles. Hey, are you Wayne's girlfriend, or possibly even Wayne?
Get a load of this: Wayne now thinks New Times doesn't criticize Phoenix. What rock have you been living under? That paper is infamous to going after Phoenix, in every way imaginable. That's what the press does, you ninny. And I note that Wayne thinks that anybody who criticizes HIM has got to be the same person, while eschewing any hint that he may be writing under assumed names to further his vendetta against NT.
Getting lost in all this is: He started the whole flap by riling up the Yuma populace -- when he admits he's never been there.
Becoming obvious in all this is: Wow, a lot of people can't stand this blowhard. A lot!
i have lived in yuma for 12 years and read your blog and totally agree with you. i am especially concerned foe the way our historic sites have been amanaged by the city, taking them away from their historic value and destroying the grounds. yuma's problem is lack of education,professional management skills,lack of professional reserch on items,and lack of creativity.
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this story was only a pathetic attempt for the New Times to "get back" at their competition. The writers went in with predetermined notions, and left after looking in to nothing. New Times is such a joke. I'd rather read Faux news, at least when they bs, it's not so petty
With all the nonsense coming out of the state Capitol these days, was this article really the best use of this periodical's resources? Give the town a break. Phoenix and Tucson are bland armpits too, compared to NYC and Los Angeles.
Talk about pot calling the kettle black: "Thou doth protest too much, methinks." Come on, Reich, you have written the insane/stupid version of War and Peace here. I don't have a dog in this fight, but you come across as, a couple of people have said, "unbalanced:" in your rants..
FYI: hit up exit #16 (about 1.5m before AZ/CA lines) - cheaper gas, mcdonalds, & great odds are you'll see someone you know @ the gas station's Blimpie. other then that? ...um yeah, i got nothin - stay classy, yuma..
FYI: hit up exit #16 before enroute cali, about a mile up - cheaper gas, mcdonalds, & great odds are you'll see someone you know @ the gas station's Blimpie. stay classy, yuma...
To the authors: There is something personal going on here. Obviously you either have never really been to Yuma and you had to write a controversial article on a city you didn't have time or interest enough to visit, or you got arrested there for something like drunk driving or for leaving your babies in the car with the windows rolled up.
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To "Yuman:" Your diatribe is more an indictment of you than it is of Yuma! What have you done to try to make Yuma better? If you have lived here for 27 years and dislike Yuma so much, why haven't you hauled your butt out of here to somewhere you think is better? Even with "Checkpoint Cesar," it should be possible to make it to some other part of the US, unless you are a Mexican national here without proper U.S. papers, in which case you have no standing to criticize Yuma! As a recent transplant to Yuma, I like it here, warts and all.
Not much of a biologist if you don't have the stones to spend a night in Yuma. We can talk about my graduate biology days in places like Chiapas, Honduras, and Nicaragua in the 80's...if you were afraid of Yuma then you basically need to just stay home and never ever go out again. Anywhere. Ever.
Excuse me? I was born and raised in Yuma. I find your comment and this article offensive. What kind of atomosphere are we displaying to you? Yes there are dangerous parts of Yuma but every town as a bad part of it! Sorry we don't have high priced food to blow your money on. Apparently you aren't smart enough to mapquest or find the right places of Yuma on your own. Get to know Yuma through a real Yuman.
Tomato, ever notice how few words it takes to drive Herr Reich into one of his cut and paste rants. Talk about mind control.
it's not even about "giving the town a break" it's about being a legitimate reporter. They didn't scour the city, they visited antique shops. they did no research. The editor said himself "Our issue is not with Yuma, but with Sunset Magazine. Yuma is what it is"
First: My sincerest apologies to all the New Times readers who've watched this forum be littered with asinine comments left by anonymous cowards with a personal axe to grind.
I was hoping for mature debate about the issues I've raised, but I see that character and intelligence has gone the way of Vanilla Ice.
Now, getting back to unfortunate business...In response to this obviously well-educated and witty person, all I can say is this:
"You are the kind of person that I would use as a blueprint to build an idiot."
If you have any further short bus ramblings, please feel free to contact me at Wayne@WayneMichaelReich.com, when you actually grow and/or borrow a set.
Hi there Artchick666!
As I am also known as the "Artbitch", let me commend you on picking a sexily excellent Internet moniker this time around.
In typical Artbitch fashion, let me retort.
"Talk about pot calling the kettle black: "Thou doth protest too much, methinks."
As do you, I'm afraid. How many anonymous replies have you posted so far? And don't use the "this is my first response" excuse, especially when we all know that's not true.
"Come on, Reich, you have written the insane/stupid version of War and Peace here."
Have you ever actually read War and Peace? I have, and it's way wordier than anything I've ever written. 460,000 words, to be exact. I average about 2500 give or take- so I apologize for not writing like Ray Bradbury.
If you have an issue with what I've said or stated publicly that has compelled you to to complain, I'd have to ask why you would not address the issues that I have queried about.
To make it easier for readers to see where I was coming from, without having to read my novellas/rants/blogs/magnum opuses, I asked four simple questions:
On a consistent basis:
1) does New Times help or hinder the perception of PHX?2) does New Times mock or praise the positive aspects of PHX?3) does New Times delivered quality writing over the last year?4) does New Times actually listen to it's readers or dismiss them?
These appear on the surface to be simple to answer one way or the other, yet for some odd reason, anonymous snipes such as yourself seem to be unable to do so.
You disagree with me. That's great! It really is.
Prove your point with actual facts and/or logic.(It's sometimes referred to as "Debating" by mature adults)or shut the heck up.
If you can't, please feel free to contact me at Wayne@WayneMichaelReich.com, and I give you my word that I will continue this back and forth repartee.
Don't worry about wasting my time- the five minutes it takes me to fire off one of these responses will be all yours.
"I don't have a dog in this fight,"
I DO appreciate that, as I hate cleaning up after them. However if you are indeed, an "Artchick", one would tend to think that helping the PHX art scene would be important to you. So I guess it's just a cute nickname without any actual meaning, then.
"but you come across as, a couple of people have said, "unbalanced:" in your rants."
That's the beauty of free speech- you can think I'm unbalanced, and the 124 Emails I have received in the last two weeks can praise what I've been writing/doing so far.
Who has more pull with me, do you think?
BTW- There are 489 words in this response, so I’m a tad shy of “War and Peace Pt.2”. I'm afraid.
scottsdale is a big nothing in the middle of nowhere, yuma is the hub and it will explode when the colonette becomes the next long beach
Wayne, You must have some REALLY potent meth. BTW, I didn't know Ray Bradbury wrote "War and Peace."
Sorry if my post was confusing to you Docbob498th- we all know that Tolstoy was the author of War and Peace..
The Bradbury reference was a analogy to someone who writes very succinct chapters in his books, which I love.
BTW, I don't do Meth. I do Ding Dongs.