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JustAPerson 04/25/2012 7:47:00 PM
You people are so fucking ignorant. This country was made up of immigrants you morrons. Just because you "white" people made it here to america first does not mean you can call it your land. This was the Native Americans lands first so check your fucking history first before you people start talking your shit. If anything it should be the Natives taking back their land from you stupid white people. The Mexicans should do the same and kick all those white people out of their country too. Im a Proud Mexican born here. Watch A Day Without Mexicans and see if you want our kind out!
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Ra19 04/11/2012 3:51:00 AM
This is totally uncalled for, what if somebody put your business out there like that? You wouldn't like that would you? If you actually want to make a change and make this right, inform the authorities. NOT the Internet. People like you are the reason things get out of hand and turn into chaos. GROW UP.
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02/01/2012 7:03:00 AM
In the event that that last missive didn't drive it home -- FUCK.
YOU.
You have NO business telling Americans disadvantaged in the job market by foreign INVADERS how to feel. We're being SCREWED by greedy, SELFISH businesses, and you know what? So are Mexicans who hare here to illegally poach those jobs, so on behalf of Americans being robbed of job opportunities AND on behalf of Mexicans who would rather take slave labor instead of actually FIXING their OWN country:
FUCK. YOU. YOU. COMMUNIST. COCKSUCKERS.
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02/01/2012 7:00:00 AM
What the fuck is your problem with Americans? Why do you hate Americans SO much that you would champion invading Mexicans over Americans when it comes to jobs in a depressed economy? You know what? FUCK you. FUCK. YOU. and your American-hating bullshit.
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Lachiquita43 01/02/2012 11:50:00 PM
It's not just Mexicans it's other countries also.
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Kitsugab 07/31/2011 2:13:00 PM
This to inform you of a person living and working in the United States illegally.
The names that this person assumes are as follows:
Gabriela Sanchez (her niece), Karla P. Durazo (her aunt), Patty Durazo (her sister),
Julieta Sanchez (her aunt), Patty Sanchez (her sister/her niece) Rocio Sanchez (her
sister), Mayra Viramontes (her cousin), Karen Durazo (her cousin),Kenya Durazo (her
cousin), Karina Sanchez (her cousin).
All of the names assumed by her can be substantiated through her facebook account
which is under the name Gabby Sanchez.
Her Employer is: Dr. Larry Stark
3201 W. Peoria Ave # A-100
Phoenix, AZ 85029
Her assumed Social Security # is her Aunt's Soc. Sec. # 611-32-7757 (Karla P.
Durazo) who actually lives in California.
She drives a pathfinder with AZ lic. # AHT4587
Her address is: 2220 W. Mission Ln. #1095 (which is in Larry Starks name /
Phoenix, AZ 85017 co-signed for)
SRP Acct # 919-863-000 (which is in Larry Starks name)
Her Phone # 602-628-3116 (which is in Larry Starks name)
Family Assistance Administration Case # 00564738 (Gabriela Sanchez)
Dental work provided under the name Patty Sanchez. And full medical (BCBS)
is paid for by Larry Stark
Her sons name is Carlos Flores-Sanchez and he graduated from Cortez High School
This young woman makes it easier for other illegals to obtain medications including
narcotics and evade citizenship tests through the Doctors office that she works in.
Also supplying them with false identification and documentation.
I am very concerned about the illegal activities (Document Fraud, Identity Theft,
Conducting crimes in America) that she is involved in. Please address the above
issues as soon as possible.
Concerned Citizen
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05/21/2011 10:44:00 PM
Bull shit. Mexicans need to go back and big time. Show us how things don't work in Mexico rather than dragging us down in the US.
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my name is 05/21/2011 5:08:00 PM
NO KIDDING !
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USA CITIZEN 05/21/2011 5:07:00 PM
GO TO NUMBERSUSA.COM to send free online faxes to your representatives demanding that they fight illegal aliens who are here by the MILLIONS. NUMBERSUSA.COM puts you in touch with the fight to keep America for LEGAL AMERICANS. Go check out the site, get involved it's very easy------
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05/19/2011 4:30:00 AM
No wonder why this paper is FREE
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hisnicptry 05/16/2011 12:21:00 AM
HOA= homeowners associations = communism by altering your mind and thoughts by not allowing the FLAG and other CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
DON'T EVER MESS w/the CONSTITUTION it's there FOR the citizens that are here BUT it doesnt mean you can use US as asylum or BYPAS the CURRENT LEGAL way to immigration. This is to RUIN us and actually hurts everyone of us. Its' happening now as we speak and we need to support our rights as the oath Obama agreed to was the CONSTITUTION and it's not to be ammended lightly.....NO RUSH for change, IT should raise the red flag in your gut!
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 11:27:00 PM
This isn't art it's like a gang in prison tatoos the angst and anger agains "THE MAN", who in their right mind is going to follow these horrific dishonest users into the future....who will pay for their freedom then and how do we get it back once its gone. I don't care if you think your fooling people, YOUR NOT, the jig is/was up long time coming and too bad if you don't like that the CONSTITUTION DOES NOT GET TO BE REWORDED for the most greedy type of bottom feeding cons and filth that destroys us all.....We stand up to cowards that USE ART to express not only their hate, but the deceptions that the distortion use against ALL PEOPLE.
It's fine, BUT DON'T expect ME and normals to get taxes to cover it. I really think promoting anarchy and anti-Constitution sentiment as well as teaching "RECLAIMATION" of USA is sick.
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 11:16:00 PM
I love how NEW TIMES has ads for PORN and various typical hypocrites that do the majority of lying and use the arguments that are contrarians' favorite con. and complete joke that they care less about the issues and buy these stories from dirtbag lawyers like REZA! They don't care if it INCITES those like the LIBERAL JARED LOUGHNER (btw I don't see them wanting to talk about HIS ideas ON ANARCHY ---------what a bunch of jerks--------far more than right!! I am INDEPENDENT, but despise this form of bullying (ACLU does it a lot and AL SHARPTON the pimpy fraud) nothing new simply desperate greedy and anti-American Constitution its gross.
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 11:11:00 PM
ALSO my LUTHERAN Church GIVES more than many college age students who buy this rag for the porn and hypocrites that write this crap.
It's so far from my reality and the truth and if you would only get the majority to be Hispanic and the "RECLAMATION" that SAL REZA is aware he supports be taught....who are u people?
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 11:08:00 PM
Claire,
If you are so desperate to have a Country of males that oppose women with voter rights and go backwards a century, the go ahead and show disproportionately innaccurate stories that lack insight towards this Country and our Constitution. You do at this point have a right to free speech, BUT enough of the way the Contrariansims by rote and the woe is me sentiment shoved in our face for decades......where do we end up in the total sum of all of it? I refuse to feel indebted to Native Americans, Blacks, Hispanics and the "more" disadvantages minority that btw IF IT BECOMES A MAJORITY is ok with me anyway because I am a Christian and most Hispanics are decent people and Catholic values and we are actually going to be MORE CONSERVATIVE.....if you might get what you ask for. seems a paradoxially equal balance wins out anyway and/or we might ALL become very quickly impoverished (that helps us all) .
Idiots and media liberals should have to stay in NOGALES for a year or so and come back to the USA and be willing to explain how they feel about illegal immigration or amnesty. duh?!
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:25:00 PM
Your being fooled by clever argumentative and elaborate liars out to make "progress", but for themselves a bit of collateral damage to the Countries' Constitution is ok ??
THE JIG IS UP.....hypocritical HAHHAH you make me giggle except your DANGEROUS to the entire population by invoking some ANARCHISTs like JARED LOUGHNER (he liked NewTimes because it fit in with the ANARCHY that the this media assult on peoples' thoughts.
JFK would BE CONSERVATIVE in modern society--ENOUGH of this stuff, it is unfair to our next generation to have to be put in DANGER for your foolish joke of AMERICA is insult to every race, creed and religion...and culture....IT's FOOLISH to rush any immigration or reform simply STUPID to expect new cultures not to clash violently at some point....DUH!
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:20:00 PM
Hispanics ARE good, its' the NEWTIMES that are bad.
There now try to twist that too, why is promoting ANARCHY and hate ok for these people??
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:18:00 PM
As many Hispanics realize, they ARE being exploited once again and used for the purpose of a vote.
I can't IMAGINE how DUMB the writers would be to think ANY fool would buy these disgusting traitor to Americans' articles. Who ARE these people and WHY would the encourage the hate and they admit to NONE of it and keep it going to the bitter last drop.....it's like a hijack of the entire Constitution that I know is the backbone of this GREAT COUNTRY.....be ready for more and stand up to bullies BEFORE the future generation and we all get further BRAINWASHED.
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:15:00 PM
Thanks Ginny for exposing the "real" hypocrites here and the disproportionate "lying" done by THIS bias and hateful News? mag.
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hisnicptry 05/15/2011 6:13:00 PM
I get so sad to see the CONSTITUTION desimated by this kind of rag. While it is protected for the NEWTIMES and the ANTI-AMERICAN sub standard creeps who report bias news to inflict their will on any gullible fool willing to bite, IT IS DANGEROUS to take FREEDOMS by allowing a rotten erosion of the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION.
The clever contrariansim and argumentative is WHAT THE NEW TIMES wants U to BE look it up before you have NO FREEDO, this COUNTRY is SOVREIGN, but those who don't understand that anyone CAN BE AMERICAN, A PRESIDENT of the USA does take an oath (if you cross your fingers it doesn't make it invalid btw) and does SWEAR TO UPHOLD the CONSTITUTION.
This is to interpret this TO EXPLOIT IT OR AMMEND IT AWAY......really takes a brainiac to follow this, HUH? Do you think an average NEWTIMES reader is gullible or hateful or stupid or a useful idiot??
Luckily, Hispanic families are not only Catholic, BUT as I understand after living in Mexico and in Arizona that they are mostly kind and humble....albeight cultures clash we can see often. It's simply a joke and a foolish person that doesn't respect SOVREIGNTY and the Country and WHY its' so vital. The other thing the NEWTIMES knows is that THE JIG IS UP!!!!!! Americans have been fooled, so nicely said by BEN STEIN and we NEED TO do more to put this type of magazine exactly where it should be IN THE TRASH CAN----sorry the RECYLCE BIN----poverty doesn't get cured by spreading it. We can only progress if we help Mexico and Peru etc IN their own Country....THAT IS WHAT HISPANICS DESERVE, NO
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Ginny 05/13/2011 2:35:00 AM
Respect is a two way street. The generalizations, assumptions and allegations in this article are very biased and do not generate mutual respect. I have witnessed similar inflamatory acts, i.e. toilets, children and adults walking on the American Flag; the use of sirens, loud speakers, drums to disrupt a public forum on the murder of rancher Robert Krenz; etc. Where was the respect?
This article and pictorial layout are no less inflamatory. We live in a free country. I respect your right to print this slanderous article. I also strongly find it offensive. It is difficult to know how to assimilate the references in this article with my integrated family and community. In my family (la familia) there is love.
There Krenz family has not been shown respect, love or any remorse by these groups or the Feds. Where are the tears for the lives of murdered Border Patrol agents, police etc? This is not a Mexican American issue. It is a National Security issue that allows illegal entry into this country by people all nationalities.
Everyone should be concerned about national security regardless of national origin. Denial of the danger is not an option.
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JamieE 05/03/2011 4:49:00 PM
It's a shortened term. Sheesh! A human being isn't illegal for existing. He or she is illegal once he breaks the law. Keep it simple.
rhetoricofbrevity (unregistered) wrote, in response to WAKEUPAMERICASayNoToNAFTA:
Dear Person Referring to Undocumented People as “Illegals,”
I didn’t know that a human being could be illegal.
Sincerely,
God made Adam and Eve not Illegal and Legal
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rhetoricofbrevity 05/03/2011 12:33:00 AM
Dear Person Referring to Undocumented People as “Illegals,”
I didn’t know that a human being could be illegal.
Sincerely,
God made Adam and Eve not Illegal and Legal
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US War Veteran... 05/01/2011 5:48:00 AM
In response to ZEUS8894:
An unfortunate tendency of lawmakers is enacting laws that have been disastrous in other states and thinking that somehow, magically, it’ll work in their state. Usually these things are done for political PR purposes rather than any useful purpose. They want to make their constituents chant talking points and pump fists in the air and vigorously wave flags, distracting them from the very real consequences of legislation that has already been proven in another state of being not only a failure, but a very serious detriment.
See, this has been tried before. In Prince William County in the state of Virginia in 2007 and 2008. Same kind of bill, same intention. It was made popular by jingoistic shrieks of “Remember who caused 9/11! Illegals!!”
It passed, and it divided the county into almost warring factions. It also completely destroyed their already suffering economy. When we get riled up about political issues, we don’t often stop to think about the unintended, yet very real consequences. We just parrot what we think we’re right about and we don’t stop to think.
House forclosures skyrocketed. Retail stores and restaurants lost tons of sales. They forgot that all these brown people actually do work and have some money, and they spend it everywhere. When they’re not welcome, they leave, and their money goes with them. They lost not only the illegal immigrants, but legal citizens who were born and raised in America, but happened to be brown, and therefore were targets. They left too, along with their money.
The effect was so devastating that they had to repeal most of the bill. Perhaps we should learn from their example, because we have far more to lose.
In Virginia, Latinos were a much smaller percentage of the population. Here in Arizona, we don’t need to be told that it is much, much higher. Therfore, we will lose much, much more money.
Already, the University of Arizona has lost over $100,000 in canceled tuitions. ASU has probably lost even more. Resorts, airlines, hotels and other parts of the tourist industry are reporting increasing canellations and loss of projected revenue. This bill hasn’t even gone into effect yet and we’ve lost hundreds of thousands of dollars. When it goes into effect, you can be sure we will lose millions, at least. Not just from Latinos, but from all people who view this bill as distatsteful, if not illegal. You’ve already heard the calls for boycotting our state. It’s happening, and we can’t afford it.
Unfortunately, those most strongly in favor of the bill can’t see past the word “Illegals!” and are paying no attention to the real cost of this legislation.
Arizona happens to be the state that is number one in job losses in this economy. We’re at the bottom. We can’t afford the financial devastation that this bill will bring.
It was once explained to me that the reason the economy is so bad is because big corporations knew that Democrats were about to seize power and are known for being less business friendly, so they pulled out. Same thing here. Make the environment unfriendly for most of your population and you can say goodbye to the money they used to spend here.
Now, a person can be against illegal immigrants all they like. No matter how worked up they get, their emotion will not make this bill a good idea. No matter what problems we blame on illegals, this bill will bring even worse problems.
Farms will close and food prices will surge upwards. House forclosures will be far worse than what Virginia suffered. Money will vacate our state as if it were being swept away by the sea. Like it or not, those illegals are a large part of our economy, and what will replace that? Tourism is another big part. What will we replace that with? (cue the sound of crickets)
You can be against illegals to the core of your being, but we need a solution that won’t kill us. I don’t know what that solution is, but if we can repeal this bill now rather than waiting to die and then repealing it, then we’ll have the resources available to enact a viable solution when someone comes up with one. Until then, unbunch the panties and buy some oranges on the street corner, because while some of that money may go to their families elsewhere, some of it will get fed back into our stores and restaurants.
We can’t afford to be picky about our neighbors. We gotta suck it up and deal. All the talking points in the world will not change the reality of how bad we will suffer if we continue to support this bill. Sometimes medicine is bitter, but it beats dying.
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An American... 04/29/2011 10:22:00 PM
Your ignorant...
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Fredytrinidad 04/29/2011 8:18:00 PM
true that
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no mas 04/29/2011 2:12:00 AM
well whats funny is how everybody has a comment and its only the people who are losing the battle this is why we do this graffiti or have even the new times its just a way to get stupid people to talk and when you get all mad we sit and giggle its a trick to piss you off dose it work
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04/28/2011 6:36:00 PM
Pink cheese......Racist much?? You're a disgrace!
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mu 04/27/2011 11:22:00 PM
I've lived in Arizona my entire life, "La Raza" doesn't immediately ring a bell, but the state of our educations systems and local news are a different discussion all together.
You haven't actually answered any of my questions.
What makes you think immigrants "despise this land"? Do you think the same of every criminal? How about big companies that don't pay taxes, should they be deported?
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04/27/2011 9:51:00 PM
Well I guess criminal's are welcome and encouraged here in Phoenix, Az. So we should praise illegal's and graffiti artist that deface property, and regardless of how nice it looks or how strong of a statement it's making it is still graffiti and a crime. Don't placate criminal's report an Illegal today. If anyone hasn't figured it out Phoenix New Times is not real news just racist propaganda perpetrated on anyone against Illegal Immigration!!
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Usgovfail 04/27/2011 8:16:00 PM
Looks like the majority have spoken. This newtimes rag is a pile of shit that spews lies and racism. Just come to the USA LEGALLY and there won't be a problem. If you cowardly leeches want to continue to sneak across the border then us US CITIZENS/TAXPAYERS will continue to fight against you and support bills like SB1070. Illegal is not a race, it is a crime.
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Rcgaard 04/27/2011 8:14:00 PM
you call arpiro hitler, for enfocing out laws on the books.....you are on drugs lady
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Al Poor 04/27/2011 6:44:00 PM
How would this dishonorable artist, in name only, like to be a victim of the following.
Someone illegally enters your home. You cannot legally remove them from your home.You are obligated to provide them with living quarters, meals, and health care for them and their families.
If you complain you are labeled a racist. They in turn create mob scenes decrying their hatred for America, and demanding automatic citizenship, and jobs where they are not taxed.
To support illegal immigration is to support moocherism.
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Ray 04/27/2011 6:28:00 PM
The costs of hosting illegal immigrants has drastically reduced the funds available for providing the hundreds, if not thousands of legal latino senior citizens living in poverty, the vital, if not life saving services that they so desperately need for survival. These seniors, like other seniors living in poverty, are overlooked, so as to accomodate VIOLATERS OF OUR BORDERS.
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04/27/2011 5:10:00 PM
AMEN! Please let this just go away.
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04/27/2011 3:40:00 PM
SB1070 was great for Arizona! You have it all wrong!
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XSoldier 04/27/2011 3:36:00 PM
I did read, on WikiPedia, that America offered to pay Mexico for the land in dispute. When the Mexican government rejected our offer, we went to war, showed off our far superior military, and kicked Mexico's sorry ass. We fought for the land, just like we did for the Philippines and the Virgin Islands in the Spanish-American War of 1898. Seems to me you need to get your facts straight.
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Amloansdebby 04/27/2011 3:01:00 PM
I love SB1070, it shows that all aliens are treated equally! There are millions of aliens in our country who had no choice but to come into this country legally. What makes the Mexicans so important that they do not have to follow the same rules as every other country? We spend thousands of dollars each day for anchor babies, crime, housing and food for illegals. They are actually the smart ones. What other country can you go to illegally and be treated that good? WAKE UP AMERICA, you're part of the problem.
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wackywabbit 04/27/2011 5:47:00 AM
Wow, nice work Pink Cheese Green Ghost. I am "white" and I really don't appreciate you speaking like that. Have a little class will yah?
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Oso Jorge 04/27/2011 4:42:00 AM
zip wong
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Oso Jorge 04/27/2011 4:41:00 AM
SB 1070 was a fantastic start for a major problem.
Illegals ruin everything. Free healthcare, no auto registration, no auto insurance, free breakfast and lunch at schools that are free to illegals, welfare fraud to name a few. WHO pays for all of this?
Illegals are breaking the law, duh!
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RUMRUNNERM 04/27/2011 4:33:00 AM
GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS YOU MORON,WE GO OVER SPEND MONEY AND COME BACK, UNLESS WE GET LOCKED UP OR SHOT, OPEN YOUR EYES STUPID, THERE ELLEGALS NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS. WE LOVE THE USA YOU MUST NOT
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Fitserve 04/27/2011 4:25:00 AM
Which race are you talking about? Are all illegals a certain race? Are all Americans that dislike illegal immigration and all of the problems it causes a certain race?
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be*nice 04/27/2011 2:39:00 AM
May God have mercy on those of you whom are so racist and COLD HEARTED! Talking so bad about "illegals" but who are you to judge? Have you NEVER done anything illegal? Be honest with yourself. How about all the "US Citizens" that go across the border for cheaper medication, Dental work, Cosmetic Surgery's and much more....whats that all about if you LOVE the United States so much?
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Azdynardr 04/27/2011 2:01:00 AM
1. Illegals fleeing-too bad not back to mexico, but what's your point?
2. You have to look it up-most of the news you get on tv or in a paper is from liberal media-you can do a little work-or be a sheep.
3. Test scores-do you even realize how much education money the illegals have cost citizen students? i can tell you AZ spent over a BILLION dollars on teaching illegals & the children of illegals english last year-guess you don't have kid in school who was forced to learn spanish or mariachi.
4. Streets-I agree-most of these areas are inhabited by liberals
5. Gangs-maybe you should move
6. Jobs-yes, virginia-unemployment is on the decline-perhaps you're not reading the news after all.
7. A glimmer of hope! Don't forget that AZ was already broke when SB1070 hit-odd that illegal-rich Ca & NV are broke too-or is that just a coincidence?
8. Ok-maybe not soaring-but who says Phx is all that matters? It's getting better elsewhere, & I do live in AZ!
9. I'm not laughing-I think it's criminal that liberals & democrats have ignored the personal responsibility immigrants have to assimilate into this culture-legal or not. It's made worse when invaders ignore our laws with no consequence when you or I can't get away with 10 over the speed limit. I think you're kinda ignorant if you think the problems that 20+ years of illegal immigration have caused haven't been solved overnight by SB1070.
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be*nice 04/27/2011 12:52:00 AM
Thank you!! I agree it was a good laugh....Ignorance is amazing!
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be*nice 04/27/2011 12:49:00 AM
Too funny.....you mean you or your family are going to work long hot hours with very cheap pay in the farms, fields, car wash, landscaping and etc?? You must be pretty desperate to say this. Poor thing.
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Whitedogcharlie 04/26/2011 11:07:00 PM
We still have too many illegals ....AZ should go after the people that hire these immigrants...maybe we as Americans would have some JOBS..are we every going to take care of number one
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04/26/2011 9:34:00 PM
And then blame us.
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04/26/2011 9:31:00 PM
Hey, you have to consider the paper name. Says it all!!!
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04/26/2011 9:31:00 PM
Should have applied before coming here illegally.
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04/26/2011 9:28:00 PM
Really the best thing to ever happen to Az. Nothing said about how much were saving from all the give me hand outs they are taking.
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TL 04/26/2011 8:08:00 PM
What part of illegal don't you understand? Have you house an illegal immigrant that you don't know in your house? Don't make the country do the things You Don't do.
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michael 04/26/2011 7:50:00 PM
I go to AZ. every chance I get....great golf...good folks...the only problem I see is to many illegal comrades from Cali-Moscow...deport Cali-Clowns or they'll ruin your state as well...especially the lilly-white comrades...
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Junior12 04/26/2011 7:40:00 PM
mexicans are just trying to make a better life for their family so for the ones without a criminal backround should be able to apply for citizenship to get them to pay taxes
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04/26/2011 7:22:00 PM
What a stupid article.
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04/26/2011 7:22:00 PM
What a stupid article.
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Fredytrinidad 04/26/2011 7:07:00 PM
i do have my papers and birth certificate. i do pay taxes and i live in Arizona.
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Fredytrinidad 04/26/2011 7:06:00 PM
prove it.
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Angels_sweetstuff08 04/26/2011 6:16:00 PM
1. illegals fleeing, not just to CA.
2. Crime is down in AZ, where are those statistics?!
3. Educational scores going up, hardly! Takes a lot more than a year to see that improve!
4. Streets are safer at night- every place has its bad areas, define "safer"
5. Less gang activity... where have you been? Get out the house a little more often ;)
6. Jobs are on the rise... ? Really?
7. E.R rooms less occupied... yea, ok
8. Overall economy and recovery of AZ soaring... LOL do you live in or near PHX, or even in AZ at all?!
Thanks for the laugh! ;)
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Johnny America 04/26/2011 5:19:00 PM
This is a stupid and ridiculous article. It is written for liberals and has nothing to do with reality.
The new law (which Obaa maa) has been trying to prevent from going into effect, is GREAT..!!
1. Illegals are fleeing to California.
2. Crime is down in Arizona
3. Educational scores are up
4. Streets are safer at night
5. Less gang activity & drugs
6. Jobs are on the rise
7. Hospital emergency rooms are less crowded
8. The overall economy and recovery of Arizona is soaring..!!
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newbly New 04/26/2011 3:40:00 PM
Ummm...SB 1070 hasn't been bad at all. The companies that boycott us are illegal loving companies anyway..let them walk. I love living in the free state of Arizona because at least we have the balls to take action. And we got some bad art out of it. What a waste of an article.
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04/26/2011 3:30:00 PM
New Times the biggest waste of paper in arizona. Your music reviews suck, your restaurant reviews suck, you politics and agenda suck. Please go out of business.
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Tom 04/26/2011 3:21:00 PM
You've been posting this liberal article for weeks. Don't you ever get tired of your propaganda? WAY TO GO, ARIZONA! Yahoo!
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Rdddrury 04/26/2011 2:11:00 PM
This Story Is &%(^$ So what if the economy suffers in these areas where the Illegal aliens have been allowed to Concentrate in the law had the desired effect.... get the Wetbacks out of Arizona Even if our Country went back into a Depression like the great depression Bring it on if it gets rid of the Illegal aliens America has it was Founded and our Constitution is close to being Wiped out by our own government by Failing to Protect Legal Citizens from this Invasion When it starts affecting the politicians and their families way of living Then something may get done about but I think it will be too late I live in texas and i am in the process of starting a website that will list all companies who hire illegal aliens so American Citizens can boycott these businesses once they see them on the website All American who are against illegal immigration Should boycott any Business that hires Illegal aliens
no matter what the cost look at the Cost American troops paid and American citizens
paid in WW2 They did it to Protect our Country and our way of Life and there is a lot each Citizen can do to get the Government to deport every illegal alien in the Country If enough Citizens stand up and use the same Tactics these LULAC organizations use then we can Force the Gov to do something about this what would happen to Wal Mart if everyone boycotted all the stores the Hispanics shopping there would not be enough Wal mart would Fold up and start lobbying for Immigration Control This is where we need to start
Then start with severe penalties for anyone Hiring illegal Aliens Including prison time!!!
Wipe the Sugar off the Counter and the Ants will Stop Coming!!!!!!! one thing is Clear when the Wetbacks get nervous they start running it would not take much of a Combined Effort to get them heading back across the border look at how they left Arizona the areas that were affected Financially were areas that had been allowed to Flourish as the Immigrant created their own little economies in the poorer parts of town and these areas will suffer if laws are Enforced but it is the Cities fault and our Gov for letting the Immigrant set up shop in these areas So what if they turn into Ghost towns they can be rebuilt back to what they were Before our fore fathers paid the Ultimate Price to Keep invaders out of Country throughout it's history This Invasion is no different If anyone thinks we can get rid of the Immigrants with sacrificing Something then you must be Smoking some of the weed the Mexicans are Bringing here and any American Citizens Who loves this Country
but is not willing to Fight this invasion even to the death if need be Then you better start taking Spanish lessons if you want to see the united states in 50 years Look south of the Border the untied states will become a third world country what if we had taken this passive approach to Hitler?? we would all be Speaking German right now and eating rotting cabbage everyday WAKE UP AMERICA
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Wyatt 04/26/2011 1:50:00 PM
Mu,
Over a million people every year finish the process to legally become U.S. citizens. They study, learn our language, learn our political history, and take an oath to become a citizen.
We take in more people every year as citizens than all other countries in the world COMBINED.
I am all for legal immigration.
Illegal immigration however is a crime. Illegal immigrants sneer at U.S. laws. These law breakers feel that they are above the laws we have in this nation, and collectively they seek to be granted citizenship without having to go through the process that fifty million other people have in the last fifty years.
Illegal immigrants don't have an attachment or investment in the nation they are invading. Illegal immigrants care nothing for the laws of the nation they are going to, otherwise they would pursue life here legally.
If there are jobs here for illegal immigrants, then let them get a visa, and get the jobs, and PAY the fees associated to become a citizen and then let them become a citizen.
Wait......haven't illegal immigrants been able to do this all along? YES! Why do they choose not to? Because they DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR LAWS!! The scorn they have for our laws is evident.
Do you know ANYTHING about La Raza? Do you live in the southwest? You've obviously not been sneered at for not being brown while visiting the local grocery store. Your opinion sounds as though you don't have (m)any friends who used to be Mexican nationals who come right out and tell you how much Mexicans despise our culture. Go speak to some illegal aliens and then come tell me how much they cherish our nation.
As far as I am concerned, anyone who despises a land that gives them a home deserves to be kicked the &^%$ out.
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Janet Moralez 04/26/2011 9:08:00 AM
Interesting points. From my perspective, job and revenue losses are being driven by a down economy...which, IMO, is directly tied to the not-so-accidental collusion of Big Business, Big Government and Big Labor. Put those three in the same bed, as they are now, and we get big problems. No matter how you cut it, those jobs (and revenues) won't be coming back for a long time...and that's just an economic reality no matter what color you are or what laws are on the books. That is not to diminish the contributions of anyone, but to point out the fact that a lot of this stuff is a by-product of a bad economy.
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Janet Moralez 04/26/2011 8:45:00 AM
Interesting assumptions, Zeus, since I read lots of newspapers and very rarely watch MSNBC or CNN. And I can hardly be called liberal or leftist...my liberal friends would laugh you out of the room for that! Yes, there were already laws requiring documentation on the books...you're right there. But none of them were enforceable. Or they just weren't enforced. The LAWA that Napolitano signed into law could effectively shut down a business by revoking its license if it were caught employing undocumented workers. That's quite a hefty penalty for non-compliance. So I personally know of several businesses who let long-time and valued employees go who didn't have a good SSN, as well as many workers who were let go because their SSN didn't pass. I'm not saying that I support the fraudulent use of SSNs. I'm just saying that the New Times pinning the exodus of undocumented people back to Mexico on SB1070 and Brewer is simply disingenuous.
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mu 04/26/2011 8:19:00 AM
What would you do with the money you spent on taxes? I mean, you'd obviously rather have it then pay into the system, but why should anyone else prefer you to have that money?
How much do you want to pay for "retina scans, and dna samples"? I can't actually tell what you think those will do.
I really am curious what you think here, like where did you get your ideas on what "illegal immigration" looks like? Do you feel genuinely affronted by the idea of a family from another country joining our communities? I mean if someone comes here and works hard, does good things and, I don't know, does volunteer work, would you still want to deport them?
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mu 04/26/2011 7:49:00 AM
Man, I totally was going to think things through logically according to an understanding of economics, but Capital letters, and three question marks in a row? This totally makes me reconsider my position. I mean, competition for jobs means teenage children go unemployed? I just don't know any more. I clearly need waking up, and, goodness, if restating that it's against the law to move to a country without proper paperwork, that's definitely the way to make me rethink a bill that makes it the police's job to hassle people about where they are from.
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An American... 04/26/2011 6:49:00 AM
In response to ZEUS8894:
An unfortunate tendency of lawmakers is enacting laws that have been disastrous in other states and thinking that somehow, magically, it’ll work in their state. Usually these things are done for political PR purposes rather than any useful purpose. They want to make their constituents chant talking points and pump fists in the air and vigorously wave flags, distracting them from the very real consequences of legislation that has already been proven in another state of being not only a failure, but a very serious detriment.
See, this has been tried before. In Prince William County in the state of Virginia in 2007 and 2008. Same kind of bill, same intention. It was made popular by jingoistic shrieks of “Remember who caused 9/11! Illegals!!”
It passed, and it divided the county into almost warring factions. It also completely destroyed their already suffering economy. When we get riled up about political issues, we don’t often stop to think about the unintended, yet very real consequences. We just parrot what we think we’re right about and we don’t stop to think.
House forclosures skyrocketed. Retail stores and restaurants lost tons of sales. They forgot that all these brown people actually do work and have some money, and they spend it everywhere. When they’re not welcome, they leave, and their money goes with them. They lost not only the illegal immigrants, but legal citizens who were born and raised in America, but happened to be brown, and therefore were targets. They left too, along with their money.
The effect was so devastating that they had to repeal most of the bill. Perhaps we should learn from their example, because we have far more to lose.
In Virginia, Latinos were a much smaller percentage of the population. Here in Arizona, we don’t need to be told that it is much, much higher. Therfore, we will lose much, much more money.
Already, the University of Arizona has lost over $100,000 in canceled tuitions. ASU has probably lost even more. Resorts, airlines, hotels and other parts of the tourist industry are reporting increasing canellations and loss of projected revenue. This bill hasn’t even gone into effect yet and we’ve lost hundreds of thousands of dollars. When it goes into effect, you can be sure we will lose millions, at least. Not just from Latinos, but from all people who view this bill as distatsteful, if not illegal. You’ve already heard the calls for boycotting our state. It’s happening, and we can’t afford it.
Unfortunately, those most strongly in favor of the bill can’t see past the word “Illegals!” and are paying no attention to the real cost of this legislation.
Arizona happens to be the state that is number one in job losses in this economy. We’re at the bottom. We can’t afford the financial devastation that this bill will bring.
It was once explained to me that the reason the economy is so bad is because big corporations knew that Democrats were about to seize power and are known for being less business friendly, so they pulled out. Same thing here. Make the environment unfriendly for most of your population and you can say goodbye to the money they used to spend here.
Now, a person can be against illegal immigrants all they like. No matter how worked up they get, their emotion will not make this bill a good idea. No matter what problems we blame on illegals, this bill will bring even worse problems.
Farms will close and food prices will surge upwards. House forclosures will be far worse than what Virginia suffered. Money will vacate our state as if it were being swept away by the sea. Like it or not, those illegals are a large part of our economy, and what will replace that? Tourism is another big part. What will we replace that with? (cue the sound of crickets)
You can be against illegals to the core of your being, but we need a solution that won’t kill us. I don’t know what that solution is, but if we can repeal this bill now rather than waiting to die and then repealing it, then we’ll have the resources available to enact a viable solution when someone comes up with one. Until then, unbunch the panties and buy some oranges on the street corner, because while some of that money may go to their families elsewhere, some of it will get fed back into our stores and restaurants.
We can’t afford to be picky about our neighbors. We gotta suck it up and deal. All the talking points in the world will not change the reality of how bad we will suffer if we continue to support this bill. Sometimes medicine is bitter, but it beats dying.
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04/26/2011 6:23:00 AM
For those not from the Phoenix area, the New Times is a fish-wrap rag published by a bunch of smartmouthed oh-so-sophisticated young geeks who can't get a job at a real newspaper. It is popular among the illiterati and people who live in coffee shops.This article is typical. Only a pre-school organization like the New Times could make a connection between a serious political issue and, um, "art" with a straight face.
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Milt Marine1 04/26/2011 5:45:00 AM
It has been good for AZ and the Country I'm a Marine Veteran what part of illegal don't you understand. Calling them undocumented aliens What a bunch of crap! Try being and undocument alien in any other country you'll be in jail especially Mexico. Follow the rules if someone wants to be here do it the right way and come in the front door.
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Bucky 04/26/2011 4:06:00 AM
I am not so sure that SB1070 HAS been bad for AZ.
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04/26/2011 3:45:00 AM
As a business owner in Arizona I will flat out tell you that you are a liar. Just as the National polls show over 70% of the nation in support of SB1070 I have people say the clincher in doing business with us has been the fact we are a Arizona company and they oppose the Anti American Boycott so sell your fib elsewhere.
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04/26/2011 3:43:00 AM
You need to read more actual newspapers and heck even watch your MSNBC and CNN to get the facts straight as even the liberal left wing papers and TV rags reported the exodus of illegals out of Arizona to beat the official enactment date of SB1070. Napolitano's law didn't cause an exodus of criminals leaving the state, in all actuality did nothing. If the companies were purposely hiring undocumented workers under the table, yet another law requiring the documentation that was already required didn't stop them from continuing business as usual. It did however force some to get smarter at hiding the paper trail of undocumented, (called that for lack of documents) workers. Why do you leftist hate America and love criminals so much?
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04/26/2011 3:37:00 AM
This fraudulent Anti American piece of trash article needs to be removed by the rag that has it published. This is not news, it's poorly constructed personal opinion of a party who hates America and don't know crap about Arizona. Yahoo should also be ashamed for linking to these fools.
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Toadsinaz 04/26/2011 2:57:00 AM
AMEN!!
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Toadsinaz 04/26/2011 2:51:00 AM
No problemo!!...... Seriously!
My mother, who immigrated here LEGALLY and took classes to EARN her citizenship, enjoyed showing hers to anyone & everyone -- she was that proud of it!! Seems to me that if you have something to hide, then you would resent being asked. So..... do you???
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Toadsinaz 04/26/2011 2:40:00 AM
Response to mu:
You need to wake up and get educated about this situation. You are right that it CAN cost more to hire American workers, but have you had a teenage child that searched & searched for an "entry level" job and could not find one?? Who do you think is "stealing" THOSE jobs?.... And you are right about the fact that employers shouldn't hire them in the first place -- but do you remember all the flack our state recieved for the Bill that was passed 3 yrs ago???
And yes, undocumented (ILLEGAL) workers who buy things do pay sales tax -- however, it has been proven time & time again that the costs associated for social services (i.e. health care, law enforcement, entitlements for their "american born" children) has FAR OUTWEIGHED any pittance of sales tax revenues that they do pay!!!
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Mythreesons3js 04/26/2011 2:21:00 AM
hmmmm, I'm AMERICAN..... now that we've gotten that cleared up......
I want to add: though my ancestors were originally from Europe, on my father's side I can trace my ancestry back TEN generations in America, immigrating here in 1624. I have ancestors that have fought in every American war since then, currently I have a son who is serving in the Air Force & a sister-in-law who has been serving in the Navy for over 20 years. On my mother's side I have traced my lineage back directly to Chief Massasoit (he is the indian chief who helped the Pilgrims, you've heard of the first Thanksgiving dinner???)......
Seems to me that you figured out a way to keep from getting kicked out of this country by getting some poor ignorant woman to marry you AND support you to boot!! Dude, get a clue and get off the Bigotry train -- this is about being ILLEGAL. It doesn't matter WHAT your nationality is!!
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Toadsinaz 04/26/2011 1:52:00 AM
I think the only ones calling you "racist" or "anti-liberal" are going to be the illegals themselves! Not necessarily Mexicans -- but ANYONE who is here illegally!! I happen to be a first-generation American of an immigrant mother (LEGAL & naturalized) and american born fathehodr, and I agree with you 100 percent! For those who come to this country LEGALLY, work hard, pay taxes, and contribute to society -- I say, "Welcome"!.... but to those who sneak in, sucking up our resources (health care, eduacation, law enforcement, or welfare for their American born "anchor babies") -- I say, get the hell out! Oh, and by the way, I LOVE the idea of chipping the ones who are sent back!
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Toadsinaz 04/26/2011 1:24:00 AM
Well said!
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Janet Moralez 04/26/2011 1:09:00 AM
Brewer's SB1070 didn't send undocumented workers home, Napolitano's Legal Arizona Workers Act (LAWA) did. Signed into law on July 2, 2007, LAWA went into effect on January 1, 2008, forcing employers to use the federal E-Verify system to prove social security numbers or face the loss of their business license. This law was opposed by businesses who feared worker shortages (prior to the economic downturn) and, in fact, many undocumented workers simply left before the bill took effect to avoid the prospect of proving their SSN was good. I know of many who were making good money in the trades who were simply let go. Many went back to Mexico, others headed to "friendlier" states and others found work in AZ that paid in cash. The crashing economy then sent the next wave of undocumented workers back to Mexico. By the time SB1070 passed, the cake had been made and baked...SB1070 was merely icing. Even the New Times should try to stick to the facts, and not politicize them to inject a viewpoint.
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US War Veteran 04/25/2011 11:58:00 PM
Your ignorant ! ! "STOP" Racist ideology ! ! !
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US War Veteran 04/25/2011 11:39:00 PM
In Reply to Robert Newman :
Robert, while I am sorry your business took a down fall since SB1070, you are not the only one, your comment " We need new 'REPUBLICAN' Leadership" really gives me the impression that you are a 1 party voter, what we need is to vote for the best candidate REGARDLESS of party affiliation, so if in the last election you voted for republicans without doing your homework then this is the result of that vote and you have no one to blame but yourself, you can not take back that vote of course but you can rectify the situation by recalling these clowns from office before you and millions of other people in the state loose their lives, homes, business, future.
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eagle 04/25/2011 10:56:00 PM
hmmmm,i'm mexican i use to run a drywall crew,but i lose my papers for some stupid people like you,and i use to work hard while all of you freaking lazy like you full of shit was getting off on fridays at 4:30...the work was there always was there,people that wants to do it,was not but me,thank god i marry a beautiful navajo girl,and she become a nurse to support my family of 4..now u deserve to be here more,you or my family,my wife use to make more money at san diego but she rather help her people..the navajo people if u dont like the way it is here....go back to europe where all ur ancestors are from
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Robert Newman 04/25/2011 10:35:00 PM
The economic backlash from SB1070 has cost Arizona $150 million in lost convention business alone. I'm a small business owner, and I advertise a lot on the internet and rely heavily on business from other states...but when people find out I'm in Arizona...They buy else where...I'm sick of it ! ! ! business is down 45% from last year.I don't know what the hell Jan Brewer and Senator Russell Pearce were thinking, this was going to do to our economy...I have a wife and 3 kids,I have to put through college...We need politicians that are pro business...I've been a Republican all my life, because, I want politicians to protect my money ! ! ! We need NEW Republican Leadership ! ! ! WE NEED PRO BUSINESS REPUBLICANS RUNNING THIS STATE - NOT IDIOTS ! ! !
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04/25/2011 10:28:00 PM
your an idiot
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04/25/2011 10:26:00 PM
once again, News Times proves itself to be a full of shit, rag mag on a political agenda
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Master 04/25/2011 10:19:00 PM
HOW LONG IS THIS GARBAGE PROPAGANDA EDITORIAL GOING TO BE RUN ON YAHOO?..100% lies. SB 1070 has been wonderful for Arizona. A giant sigh of relief as the 'taking' low character Mexicans have dispersed to other states. Then there's the art people. Right brained parasites that add nothing to life. Can you imagine a world full of all art people? No roads, buildings, schools, anything that matters, but plenty of useless art. Thank God the hard workers exist for them to take from.
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Rancheraz 04/25/2011 9:25:00 PM
Surely you gest! Break 1/10th as many laws in Mexico as the illegals do here and those people would be in prison for years. Those people are really saying that American's are lazy, stupid, and will help us bankrupt their country. The American's can't think about what they are really doing to their country. By now the Mexican reading this is calling me "racist", "anti-liberal", and so forth. They have to label me to try and degrade me. Once they label me, they cast blame and scorn on the label. After all, since you are assummed unable to rationalize, you can't understand what they are trying to do. We need to prosecute all law breakers period. Someone sent back to Mexico needs to be chipped so that if they come back a 2nd time we can track them and charge them the costs associated with their capture. If they can't pay the expenses they cause, they can do hard labor such as cleaning up the litter they left coming across the border illegally and get a minimum wage where taxes and expenses are removed and then the balance left is used to pay off their debt to Arizona / United States. Since the Mexican's all state how bad it is here and how bad the people are, why do they endure this? Let them leave, go back to Mexico where life is wonderful and safe. The govermental cost for illegals in Arizona is 46 cents of your tax dollar according to an Arizona study. Drop that in half, tax inreases are no longer needed, tuition increases are no longer needed. So what are you thinking about? How to help Arizona and the country? I sure hope so.
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Wyatt 04/25/2011 9:10:00 PM
Mu,
Are you saying that the U.S. doesn't spend very large amounts of State and Federals tax earnings on paying and subsidizing poor and destitute aliens who come to the United States?
Are you saying that people who sneak into this country don't cost those of us who live here anything?
Are you saying that it is appropriate to ignore these thieves and interlopers?
Get something straight. Illegal aliens are illegal. They deserve nothing from taxpayers.
Its bad enough that I have to pay taxes to pay for Americans to get all sorts of benefits that I have to pay for myself. Its insult to injury to ask that I pay for people who are breaking the law.
And yes, only half of the country pays taxes. The liberal mindset has trained a significant portion of the population to be money grubbers asking for handouts.
And if you think anything I've said is hyperbole, thats your opinion and you are welcome to it. As far as I'm concerned, I've laid it on pretty thin, and have given the scumbag leeches a break by not calling them out even more. These interlopers deserve far more than my minor ire. They need fingerprinted, retina scanned, dna sampled, and deported to country of origin. Period.
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Truth be told 04/25/2011 8:30:00 PM
Most Americans pay taxes! Do you have any idea how much money the state of Arizona and other states are spending for free schooling of those here illegally; free emergency health care, and all the food stamps, etc. for those children born here to parents who are not legally in these United States? I doubt it by your remarks. And then there is the situation of those who are victims of hit and run by those here illegally, without insurance. What about the cost to those Americans. Then there is the question of those coming here illegally with health problems, bringing diseases like TB into the USA, not to mention the crime it brings into the USA. Is this worth it? No, the ones who are arrogant are the ones coming here trying to get a free ride on the backs of the American taxpayer. Those who refuse to learn the language, and use the system by way of having children to take more from this Country. The Dumb ones, are the ones in Congress which allow this country to be taken advantage of by those who come here illegally, and the governments like Mexico who depend on their people to come here illegally, so as to support their economy. That is the bottom line, and it isn't pretty!
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mu 04/25/2011 8:14:00 PM
You have an interesting approach to avoiding hyperbole. Not saying Fredy doesn't have an interesting approach to grammar, but either your word choice or your understanding of economics is throwing me through a loop.
If only half of the country is paying taxes, I have to doubt Hatian sextuplets are the source of our financial troubles. I guess children don't file their own taxes, but a lot of them are probably part of households that do.
You do realize that immigrants could not "steal jobs" if they cost more to hire than American workers? It's the whole working harder for less money and not having the same legal protection that makes undocumented workers appealing to employers, and of course if employers didn't hire them, they wouldn't want to move here in the first place. Also, even if taxes aren't already deducted from their pay (sometimes they are), undocumented workers who buy things while they're here still pay sales tax and fund American businesses.
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Jonellejones78 04/25/2011 8:13:00 PM
First of all, the bill did not say "mexicans" at all. It said ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Meaning ANYONE who is here illegally will get arrested and deported. Do you got your papers or birth certificate? And finally, I was born here and raised her in Arizona(not phx) and it was great until all the illegal immigrants came and f#$ked it up! So get your facts straight, or try reading more before you open your mouth!!!
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Jsks2000 04/25/2011 7:59:00 PM
For all of you people not from AZ the New Times is a joke in this state. It is known for its homosexual hookups, call girl advertisements, and hardcore liberal editorials. In other words the few that do read this (free) publication don't count.
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04/25/2011 7:53:00 PM
Canada
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Fredyperez 04/25/2011 7:51:00 PM
Arizona's national reputation tanked, business suffered, and our Mexican community was subjected to unfair raids and accusations. But some artists have flourished.
BULLSHIX.... From what I see , young american born high school kids are back working
the car washes, fast-foods, and doing all those jobs the liberals said only immigrants were willing to do.