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Dumoudan 10/23/2011 9:09:00 PM
All Illegal aliens should be allowed by Obwama to apply for work permits but only while they are outside the United States in their home countries. This type of program (guest workers) has worked very well for many years in economically successful places such as Switzerland, Singapore to name a few. Once their work visa expires they must immediately leave the country. If the females become prgnant, they are immediately returned to their home country. commit any violation of ANY law (even "J" walking) and they are deported. If they attempt to re-enter the US illegaly, they are automatically placed on a list of permanently banned from entry into the US. Are you with us?
Just enforce the Immigration Laws and treat all people who want to enter the US fairly. Don't show preference to those that entered illegally. Justice for all?
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Dumoudan 10/04/2011 3:04:00 PM
Ask a Mexican when he / she plans to return to Mexico to legally apply for a work visa to legally enter the US?
Where in Mexico is Nicky Diaz Santillan? She was deported right?
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Dumoudan 09/28/2011 8:01:00 PM
All Illegal aliens should be allowed to apply for work permits but only while they are outside the United States in their home countries. This type of program (guest workers) has worked very well for many years in economically successful places such as Switzerland, Singapore to name a few. Once their work visa expires they must immediately leave the country. If the females become prgnant, they are immediately returned to their home country. commit any violation of ANY law (even "J" walking) and they are deported. If they attempt to re-enter the US illegaly, they are automatically placed on a list of permanently banned from entry into the US. Are you with us?
Just enforce the Immigration Laws and treat all people who want to enter the US fairly. Don't show preference to those that entered illegally. Justice for all?
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Dumoudan 09/27/2011 5:45:00 PM
Developers son in Scttosdale was killed by a vehicle. Guess where the driver of that vehicle came from and what his legal status in th US is?
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Latinos Rock!!!! 09/23/2011 1:25:00 AM
You Rock you found out the truth and told our stories....although even middle schoolkids can tell what's up!!! When all they're really doing is telling Latino history and things like that!!!
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Dumoudan 09/21/2011 7:56:00 PM
Is this law Racist?
Are the people who agree with this law racist?
Are those who want this law enforced racist?
The law says nothing of little "brown" people but it explains what is illegal entry. It's not very hard to understand. Why is this law "broken"? Why can it be selectively ignored?
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
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Dumoudan 09/16/2011 3:21:00 PM
If the 12,000,000 plus illegal immigrants had a political leaning towards the conservative republicans would the pro illegal immigrants group still help with amnesty? I don't think so.
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enonimouse 08/18/2011 11:23:00 PM
Ethnic studies = students that cant do math or science
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Slitzy 08/05/2011 11:56:00 PM
Good luck with your "Studies" degree...You sound like you've bought this b.s. hook, line and sinker.
Yes, I am making fun of you and your race baiting victimhood. Nobody gives a fig what color you are. You will be judged by what you do with your efforts. Act like a squealing victim? Going to be a rough road for you. Have you noticed that the gravy train of federal $$$ is drying up? These 'oh, so special' studies programs will be the first to go.
And, one last thing, Arizona Republican leaders basically prefer a "youth" going to a state univ. to be a citizen. Just fyi.
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Onyourmom_1 08/05/2011 4:45:00 PM
it is an elective
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Bckennedy1313 07/31/2011 8:13:00 PM
It is apprent at this point that any intelligent discussion with Kit Carson cannot happen as he is content to speak in platitudes and fails to be pragmatic in his analysis.
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06/02/2011 5:27:00 PM
Here is an awesome link that shows real documents used in the class, I invite everyone to read some of this stuff and make your own decisions about this class, I am confident that most rational and moderate people will be very offended that this kind of teaching is going on with taxpayer dollars:
http://www.tu4sd.com/p/faqs-ethnic-studies_16.html
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06/02/2011 4:28:00 PM
Here is a link to a video showing the atrocious behavior of those who support this program. The worst thing is not the behavior of the students per se, it is the behavior of the instructors egging them on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXPkzMsKacc&feature=related
Here is a video that shows some of the curriculum along with video of the students espousing the hateful views that they have learned in these classes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q-T_4wki68&feature=player_embedded#at=57
But here is the crown jewel, a video project entitled "Decolonize and Reclaim" created by students of these La Raza classes in Tucson along with some previous students from the UofA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dSfFAzfap8&feature=related
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06/02/2011 2:12:00 PM
I see, so completely innocent modern european-americans should pay for "crimes" that may have occurred in the distant past by giving preferential treatment to non-whites who have never been the victims of said "crimes" in the first place? You don't see anything wrong with this logic? Moreover, a great mind once said: "an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." At some point we are going to have to leave the past behind and move forward, ethnic studies just keep us mired in the conflicts of the past.
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05/26/2011 4:30:00 PM
Gee, why do people think that "Ethnic Studies" is geared to attacking our society and promoting "white racism"? Look to the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_studies
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05/26/2011 6:00:00 AM
Chican@s/Latinos (Raza) folks often don’t reply to Right Wing conservatives for three reasons: 1) because the Right Wing is quite often very inaccurate and erroneous in its accusations, 2) the right wing is malicious and insulting (you usually don’t answer a question in the form of an insult), and 3) the nature of right wing argument is often too irrational to contest seriously (as in the Right wing’s frequent shameless misappropriation of MLK Jr.). In other words, the Right wing needs much more help communicating effectively than the Raza.
That said, Chicano Studies varies from state to state, school to school. Some basic tenets are common and should be basically understood by the Right. The biggest issue (in AZ at least) is versions of history. In the 1960′s the Eurocentric male-dominated mythic version of US history (and hist around the world for that matter), which privileged the status and point of view of the authors, was overhauled. New voices, especially the excluded, oppressed, marginalized spoke up (ie. women, Blacks, Indians, Raza, Vietnames, Third World peoples, working class, etc). In the US Southwest, Chicano historians re-wrote US history (revealed US invaded Mex, not the other way around). These histories change everyone’s world view and view of themselves. Arizona Republican leaders basically prefer a Raza youth that is ignorant and vulnerable, that will stay poor. They prefer a Raza prisoner (or vulnerable labor) to a university graduate: easier to control. That is also why they are financed by Prison industrialist (see Oct ’10 NPR report). Truth and self-determination are important to all Raza/Chicano Studies departments.
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Steve 05/23/2011 5:54:00 AM
Buried deep in that garbage column is an admission from one of the students that they would indeed read quotes like "we need to kill whitey" - OH, but it's done in a non-biased way, just the quote, and then the students can form their own opinion. That's bullshit. Why would they quote from a racist scumbag animal like that? Would these hypocrites (Stephen Lemons included) be okay with a "white studies" class where the teacher reads quotes from Grand Wizards in the KKK - but without persuading the students to believe that way?? BULL. SHIT.
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05/19/2011 3:23:00 PM
what goes around comes around you european american
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05/18/2011 9:24:00 PM
Do you think Chukson would be a pit like the rest of Me-he-co?
Oh...that must be racist.
I think you need to do a bit of reading, little one!
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05/18/2011 7:59:00 PM
Oh, gosh! I just found your mensa-ish reply!
I imagine you have a hard time (tee-hee) finding a blower. Do you really think a U.S. citizen...a "hillbilly" has less teeth than your avg Mexican? Hmmmmm. Don't think so.
That you find this important is very telling.
Time to go to the dentist!
Smile!
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05/18/2011 7:54:00 PM
You did not reply to the question.
Why not let every N. Korean in to this country?
They are eating grass.
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05/18/2011 7:51:00 PM
If they fired Lemonhead what would they have?
It's not much now. They found their gem, the official taster with a gift of gab, and turned him into an investigative journo.
Bwahahahahahahhaaaa!
Sad, how the food reviews have gone. Lemons was quite good at that.
I'm hoping he will have a turn of thought. One can hope.
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guest 05/18/2011 2:54:00 PM
I have been a teacher, and I can tell you a few almost universal truths about education:
1. teaching varies as much as the people who teach.
2. teachers behave differently when there is an observer in the room, whether that means they are more careful in their word choice or whether they modify their instruction and methods completely depends on the teacher.
3. students are prepped for visitors if there is any warning someone may be coming, sometimes to the point where they are pre-loaded with comments and 'observations'.
4. some teachers present material in the most level, unbiased way possible; others will insert there own bias to a shocking degree given any opportunity.
These classes should be an elective, not a requirement.
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Frogmedic 05/18/2011 2:32:00 PM
Ethnic studies nowadays have merely become another way for certain groups of people to make a stink in society and garner the attention on themselves. The US does not have a perfect history, our history books were focused on white people for a very long time. Which was wrong since America has always prided itself on being a 'melting pot' for people all over the world.
But since when does two wrongs make a right? Certain people are in an uproar because the text books used by American children are focused too much on white people. So how is a class that is focused on everyone but white people any different? Is it okay for the minorities to do but not for whites? The whole concept of 'ethnic studies' in itself is prejudice and not at all moving away from the very thing that the supporters of ethnic studies state is their mission - making things equal.
Revamp the text books to include everyone who made this country what it is today, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc. But that would be fair and for as much as people scream about things being equal and fair, in 'ethnic studies' nothing is equal and fair. Its merely promoting more decades of tension and problems between various ethnic, racial, religious groups in the US. There can never be true equality as long as one side is putting down the other side to make themselves feel better.
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Frogmedic 05/18/2011 2:09:00 PM
I think "ethnic studies" are nothing more than a waste of time passed down by minorities who have nothing better to do than complain about the past. I have had to take 3 different ethnic study classes in college (I changed colleges part way through) and the ONLY thing that those classes taught me is that its wonderful to be anything other than white and pretty much a crime against nature to be white. The text books we used crack me up. The entire books are about how we need to accept everyone regardless of their background and then the history of as many different ethnic (and sexual, religious, etc) groups as possible, except, anyone? White people. What does that tell students taking the class? That you really shouldn't be accepting of everyone, only those who get labelled a 'minority'. Down with whitey, they don't matter!
Teaching one way or the other, leaving out groups of people, regardless of who is doing the teaching and who is getting left out does nothing but PROMOTE distension among fellow Americans. The US is not perfect when it comes to ethnic, racial, religious, or even sexual differences. But the more we single out others, the more prejudice and hatred we breed in our children for those different than us. Quit being stuck on the past people and move forward. One of the reasons American society is so splintered is because so many people are still living in the past, still making huge deals about things that happened decades ago instead of focusing on the present and the future. Instead of accepting that yeah, we did treat others horribly (all races, religions, ethnic groups have some history they don't really want others to focus on, its human nature) and lets move on from that. We end up stuck in this continuous loop of kow-towing to someone because they are "different" in someway and then make those who we don't feel are "different enough" pay for the negative feelings of those who are "different". Anyone else see the complete idiocy of an entire nation following that pattern or is it just me?
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Legtingle 05/18/2011 6:52:00 AM
Age-ist. Off to the dungeon with you.
Oh...sorry...thought for a moment I wast the thought police.
You are.
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Legtingle 05/18/2011 6:19:00 AM
You know...sometimes I get tired of this stuff.
Your post inspired me.
Thank you.
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Legtingle 05/18/2011 5:42:00 AM
I really think your idea is very good. Our state has such a history with Mexico and so many of our citizens are of that background. I think an elective that would go into this particular history in great detail, would be a good idea... and everyone, black, white, brown would benefit, if they chose it as an elective.
I think the Left has a real issue with race...that being they (generallly, as a group and through their leaders) use it to keep people as feeling "other". I love America because we are such a mixed bag that all come together as first and formost Americans.
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Legtingle 05/18/2011 5:31:00 AM
Gosh. The poor Asians in this country. They seem to (mostly) enter the U.S. legally and their kids actually learn reading (and comprehension) very well, indeed!
Why do you think that is?
Is it racist to point that out? In your eyes....probably.
In my mind it is cultural. Asians out perform all other "race" categories in standardized testing. The crime rate is very low. The welfare rate is VERY low.
When was the last time you heard a bunch of squealing for a "Vietnamese Studies Course" at a high school in So Cal? Oh...that would be never.
Reality is going to come down hard on all the racists on the Left. There is no more $$$ in the gvmt. If you want a certain "group" to be inspired....Get a charity together and make it happen. Public school is going to be dragged into only offereing core classes. And, no, that does not include stupid ethnic studies.
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Legtingle 05/18/2011 5:20:00 AM
I live in AZ. I know how many illegals are here. You do, too.
I don't cower when confronted. You really do have a chip on that shoulder. I'm pretty sure that it is not an attractive attribute to those that actually have to deal with you face to face.
Anchor babies do indeed innoculate parents from deportation because the Federal Immigration laws are not being enforced. A woman walks across the border, goes into one of the many hospitals that are rapidly going out of business, has the baby at great expense to U. S. taxpayers....Then gets all the info about W.I.C., medicaid, etc. Then the little bundle of joy gets to go to Head Start, public school with all the free meals, etc.
You are the one that is fundamentally dishonest. I imagine you do know this and it fuels your anger. I also am guessing that you are either the child of illegal immigrants or one yourself and you have faced discrimination and the fear of being deported. If this is true, it is sad, but does not change reality.
U.S. citizens are reading about this crap at TUSD and lots of other stories like it.
Keep squealing. You are helping to shine the light on a crises that needs to be addressed.
The border needs to be SEALED. Once that is done, effectively, a conversation can begin as to what to do with all the illegal immigrants here. Even that doofus in the White House has a plan that involves quite a few, reasonable hurdles for the LAW BREAKER to achieve before they get legal status.
Like....Learn English. I'm sure you think that is racist, but Mr. Hopenchange's plan has that in it.
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Legtingle 05/18/2011 5:01:00 AM
It is not the govt's job to "create" jobs. It is their job to create an atmosphere that attracts employers. You and Mr. Obama don't know this fun fact...that even the owner of a lemonade stand knows.
Public school should teach children basics. Not Al Gore's global warming b.s. movie, not "ethnic studies". English, Math, Science, History.
It's nice to have a few electives. Band, drama, choir, sports. Should there be an ethnic studies as an elective? If there is $$$ after the core classes and band, drama, choir, sports. Here in AZ one elective could be regarding Hispanic history. In New York....should it be Italian history? In Louisiana there is a rather successful group of Vietnamese/Cambodian LEGAL immigrants....should there be an elective in Asian studies? Sure, if the $$$ are there after the core things are funded.
And, what about African American Studies? Is there a fight to have that take the same priority with you who are so favoring the Hispanic Studies? Why not? That sounds RACIST. And why no separate program for Gender? What on earth are the transgendered being discriminated against?!? Woman's studies? Why is there no program for this? What is a wise Latina to think?
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Legtingle 05/18/2011 4:41:00 AM
Where do you get off saying that the poster "loathes" hispanics?
You love to spew the psych 101 crap alot....Well, I'll play: You are projecting.
Who here has said that hispanics are the descendants of dumb, lazy, etc?
You have a massive chip on your shoulder. I shudder to think what your boss has to put up with after the misfortune of hiring you Every little slight must be interpreted as racism.
Nobody gives a fig what color or ethnicity you are. But you are a screaming little victim and smug to boot. Fab combo.
My guess: You are a teacher of some sort and you feel really p.o.'d that the world did not recognize you. I wouldn't be surprised if you are one of the dopes involved in this mess at TUSD. If so...you have not served these kids well at all.
Now, go back to that Mensa meeting. Say Hola! for me.
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Legtingle 05/18/2011 4:22:00 AM
Oh! Your are a Mensa member.
I wondered why you always throw the "strawman" thing in at the drop of a hat.
Community college first year students and Mensa members are very fond of doing that.
I think I recall reading some of the ravings of the Tucson shooter... this bainiac would throw that retort in every chance he got.
Is there a La Raza chapter of Mensa? Now that I'd pay to see in action. Lots of wise Latinas there, I'd bet.
Must be a burden, being so smart.
On a side note, a serious question: Did Mensa ever go along with affirmative action policies?
If not....why? Oh, yeah, and I'll save you the time calling me a "hater" and racist. I don't care what you call me....but let's just say I am to save you the typing. The words have lost meaning.
I would like to know the AA answer re: Mensa.
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Legtingle 05/18/2011 3:45:00 AM
"It's just another way of saying white jerk."
Oh. That is a fun fact.
What is just another way of saying black jerk?
What is just another way of saying Mexican jerk?
What is just another way of saying Arab, Jew, Chinese, etc. jerk?
I can't wait to learn from you! Seems you are so very smart about this race stuff.
Must be a burden....you have all the answers. I'll be waiting for the answer to these questions. My dentist is Chinese and....frankly....he can be a jerk. What would be the word like "ofay" I can call him?
Waiting on pins and needles for your reply!
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Legtingle 05/18/2011 3:38:00 AM
Just a guess, but I'm betting you work for the gbmnt. Or...maybe work is not the operative word. Paid is bably a better description.
But that is just my dumb, redneck, white---so I must be racist--guess.
Your use of "Tories" is precious.
I like Mexican Americans as much as Italian Americans, Irish Americans, Somali Americans, etc. That said, I don't give a flying f*ck what race, color, ethnic background you come from. I do care if you don't carry your weight but scream for others to take care of you. I do care if you want to "redistribute wealth". I don't like Socialism/Marxism/Communism or "Social Justice". That is not what this country was founded on. You want to change it? Keep trying....you are in for a fight. People are waking up and seeing what is happening. A big old wake up call to the avg. American citizen is what has happened since Mr. Hope 'n Change got elected. The situation in the Tucson schools is beyond belief. You've got our attention.
I don't care for illegal immigrants. Get in line behind the last guy. What about that don't you agree with? A good friend of mine waited for 8 years to get into the U. S. from Columbia. While she waited a close memeber of her family was blown up by a drug cartel bombing. She got in line and waited. She came here, perfected her English and is now a citizen. She cried when she was granted citizenship. She is as American as apple pie.
I met a nice guy at Walmart in North Scottsdale that is from Somalia. He waited 5 years to enter this country legally.
Keep squealing. The citizens of the U. S. are waking up to your squealing. Even those pesky Independent voters that liked Obama....because of squealing like yours...these once deluded dopes are actually taking the time to look into issues. Like the border. Like the snotty line about "moats with crocodiles" that the little girl in the White house laughed about. Like the CRAP the TUSD has been teaching.
Oh...yes. Keep it up. You are being heard.
How did the TUSD finally treat that racist, anti-American "studies" crap? Not so good, huh?
Oh....The humanity! Pandering, feel good classes that highlight the EVIL WHITE GUYS are going to be electives or no credit. Big deal. I think a class in advanced English Lit is a bit more beneficial (if you care to live/work in the USA) than the fab poetry that I read from links to the class material.
But, then again....I imagine you think the word-smith "Common" deserved to be honored by an invite to the White House.
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05/17/2011 11:00:00 PM
"So you have to use proper punctuation and grammar while on the internet now?"
When boasting of one's education, it certainly helps.
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05/17/2011 10:59:00 PM
Blow me, Illiterate, subhuman, dentally challenged, sandbilly fucktard.
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Legtingle 05/17/2011 10:53:00 PM
You "use words with precision".
How is the C word used with precision?
It is a crude ref to a womans private parts.
Just for a giggle...tell us how you used this word with "precision".
You are funny.
Harvard teach you that this was good fuel for debate? Bwahahhahahaha!
Did you know Barry at Harvard? May have!
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05/17/2011 10:47:00 PM
Gee Legtingle, you are the one who says claims of racism are just crying wolf and nobody cares anyway.
So suck on it, moron. You and JT Ready can go back to your soixante neuf in whatever Apache Junction trailer park you are hanging out in.
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Legtingle 05/17/2011 10:32:00 PM
Never can answer a direct challenge.
Must make for a long day, instead of relying upon your abilities, to play the race card and always....always be the begrudged victim.
Nobody gives a fig what color you are. Put up or shut up.
You do notice that when RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is squealed again, and again, and again....
People don't so much care that you call them that.
Rachet the desperation up. Things are not looking good for your side.
How are the *cough* STUDIES programs working out at TUSD?
Maybe time to do a ritual Aztec thing of ripping a beating heart out of somebody that thinks you are a bird brain. It would be a beautiful, CULTURAL ART FORM. Bwahahahhahahaha!
I'm sure you could write a poem about how it would be the white guys fault.
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Nursemomski 05/17/2011 10:26:00 PM
And I might add proud to be a first generation American on my father's side and third generation on my mother's side.
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Legtingle 05/17/2011 10:18:00 PM
Snappy retort. Harvard, huh?
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Legtingle 05/17/2011 10:16:00 PM
Oh! How grand. They are politically aware.
What classes in the American Constitution are they taking?
You think there is a class in Communism and how many people were killed under that ideology?
No? Oh...sorry. Racist.
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Legtingle 05/17/2011 10:09:00 PM
I went to the link and read the material.
I suggest others do.
Glad they are shutting this silly race baiting crap down in TUSC. Well...if it is no credit? Who cares.
Maybe a Unicorn will come sit in the classes and add to the inspiration!
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Legtingle 05/17/2011 10:02:00 PM
I'm betting $$$ it is the La Raza doctrine.
Silly me.
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Legtingle 05/17/2011 9:52:00 PM
I know plenty about these courses.
I went to HS in Phx that had some. I was subjected to one. Beyond stupid...but with that, a huge load of anti-American hate and "whoa is me" victimology.... And the cherry on the top: We will take back "our land" and detroy you evil white devils. Nice!
And...I think you are mocked, deservedly, and will continue to be for as long as you spout your angry, anti EVIL WHITE PERSON, victim crap.
Oh, and just as a personal tit for your tat: You sound just one rung higher than Oswald Bates on In Living Color.
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Legtingle 05/17/2011 9:42:00 PM
Well at least you are now a "fan" of Bush. Funny, you.
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Legtingle 05/17/2011 9:37:00 PM
It's not much of a "paper". Just an add carrier for sex for sale and now med mj.
It's pretty funny to pick up when you have nothing to read at lunch....Start off with the '70's softcore porn American Apparel ad on the front cover then it goes down from there.
Cover story is always OUTRAGED about something. If you have nothing to read it can be pretty funny.
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Legtingle 05/17/2011 9:32:00 PM
If these kids need inspiration (!) an elective class should do the trick.
It is rich that a smarty pants from Harvard (bwhahahaha) is pointing their outraged finger at the right about incrementalism.
You are a hoot.
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Nursemomski 05/17/2011 9:13:00 PM
A. Religion is a large part of my life and am not offended by your interjection. As a matter of fact, some of your postings lead me to believe that you are a man of the cloth. B. Latinos in America is only a part of American History. What if the Irish, Italians, Polish, Africans, Germans etc. all wanted to know about their ethnicity in American History? Schools today are teaching “comprehensive” history. All children need to learn American History, the good and the bad parts, which made this country GREAT and a place many have only dreamed of living in. C. As the product of both public and parochial institutions from K-college, as are my children, we have had “decent” instructors that "ran the gambit" from ultra conservative to admitting they were marxists/socialists. In several cases papers were graded on contextual point of view rather than point made in clear, concise, fact backed information. As a registered nurse, I have worked from inner city Detroit to a high rent district here in the Phoenix area. I have been called and treated many different ways, I have never allowed how I was talked to or treated to form a prejudice toward an entire ethnic group. Just for the record, I am a retired, Caucasian female.
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Kit Carson 05/17/2011 7:48:00 PM
"Let's just say I'm making an educated guess that a large percentage of the kids are either not citizens of the U.S. or are anchor babies. I would bet a large amount of $$$ on that."
Let's just say that you're a complete fail when it comes to logic. You have no proof. All you have is the desire to have something to excuse away your prejudice. You're just creating claims from whole cloth, and then cowering when confronted.
Further, anchor babies are a myth. A US citizen born to unauthorized immigrants does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to innoculate the parents from deportation. A US citizen can not sponsor a parent until that citizen is 21 years of age AND the parent must have a clean immigration history.
As politifact observed: "It's important to note that having an "anchor baby" won't do much to help a Mexican mom become a U.S. citizen. Because citizen children cannot sponsor their parents for citizenship until they turn 21 -- and because if the parents were ever illegal, they would have to return home for 10 years before applying to come in -- having a baby to secure citizenship for its parents is an extremely long-term, and uncertain, process."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/06/lindsey-graham/illegal-immigrants-anchor-babies-birthright/
Only the most illinformed or fundamentally dishonest participants in this discussion still try to perpetuate the anchor baby myth. So what is this, the third or fourth lie you've been caught in?
Do you still wonder why no one gives you any respect?
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Kit Carson 05/17/2011 7:31:00 PM
What an amazingly ignorant statement. No wonder you are perceived as anti-education.
Americans don't want to fund inspiration? That is exactly what we want from our educators. Those of us who have gone on to higher education from backgrounds of limited means invariably can point to some teacher who provided inspiration. Culturally, we make heroes of these educators in our media, most notably the number of movies made out of real life stories.
In contrast to your belief that teachers should simply indoctrinate students with rote lessons, American wants and needs students capable of critical thinking who are daring enough to achieve beyond that which is expected of them.
Your mode of thinking is within what GW Bush called the "soft bigotry of low expectations." Inspirational educators assist students to break out from the average, from the status quo, from the expected.
And that is precisely why Lemons claims people like you fight against Ethnic Studies. He contends you don't want inspirational teachers helping dirty 'spics be anything more than a replacement worker at the janitorial company.
Nothing you have written to-date proves him wrong.
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Kit Carson 05/17/2011 7:20:00 PM
But that is what they are being taught - the history of Latinos in America. That is American history. That is our history.
You falsely assume these kids need instruction on how to be an American. They don't because, for the most part, they already are.
Learn what these classes are about before you try to shut them down.
As for the teachers, you make the allegation that they are trying to indoctinate the studetns, but you offer no proof. What doctrine are they trying to embed and how do you know, for a fact, that is what is going on?
I inject religion because it is something that deeply affects my worldview, as I have found it does for many. I'm sorry that religiosity offends you.
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Kit Carson 05/17/2011 5:25:00 PM
Half-right. The new proposal is that the board will turn it into an elective, another is that it be a no-credit class. Before, the board's position wanted to kill it. Horne, who is not part of the Board, wanted it killed when he was Sup.
But let's be honest: the Board still wants to kill the program, it is just making a political concessions at this point. They have elected for a battle of incrementalism having learned they can not simply eliminate the program by fiat.
As such, it is not a lie to say the Board wants to shut down the class. That is what it truly wants, as its members have repeatedly stated.
Were you an Ethnic Studies student, you'd understand what it means to put claims into context.
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Kit Carson 05/17/2011 5:19:00 PM
I, too, have a graduate degree from Harvard, albeit it is not where my JD was awarded.
Can you please be specific?
What Constitution has whom tried to erase? What freedom is placed at risk by teaching Ethnic Studies?
Where is your rampant proof that these teachers are doing anything nefarious? What specific trick is whom tying to pull? What jig was attempted?
Again, please be specific. Please give proof, not simply naked allegations.
As we too often learn, the anti-illectualism side of this debate simply makes up claims and then refuses to give any substantiation.
I trust you are a decent and thoughful person and will readily share your sources for your considered opinion, right?
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Nursemomski 05/17/2011 4:36:00 PM
Personally I don’t consider them “decent” educators, they are more leftist leaning people trying to indoctrinate our youth. This is the type of course you will find in colleges not in grade and high schools. If people come to this GREAT COUNTRY they should be taught OUR history and customs and how they came to be. Do you think I could move to any other country and expect to have my children to be taught American History and Civics? Also why do you keep throwing religion into this? By the way my children are all grown and I thank God I don’t have to raise children in the environment we have today!
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Kit Carson 05/17/2011 3:19:00 PM
Why is it one thing to teach history, and another to teach the history of one ethnic group? It's not as if the students are not getting the mainstream anglo-centric presentation in their other classes. These classes allow them to understand how it is they came to be where they are and what they can do to provision a better tomorrow -- and in so doing contribute to the greater glory of America. Further, what side do you think is missing in the Ethnic Studies program, and what is the basis for your thought? Is there a side that says "hell yes 'spics need being discriminated against?" As Lemons observes and reports, these classes don't generate the hate those who oppose them falsely claim.
It is also odd that you equate teaching history with a deliberate effort at genocide. Perhaps you could clarify your position, because I truly have no idea how you could reach such a conclusion. Seriously, how is teaching about conquest the same as committing that conquest?
Finally, how does an observation report about what actually is going on in an Ethnic Studies class demonstrative of prejudice? What specific prejudices do you think the PNT holds?
Ultimately, what has happened here is that those who want to use Ethnic Studies as a political tool have deliberately lied to you. Rather than deal with substantive issues like jobs and tax reform, they distract you with the demonstratively false claim that evil Marxist teachers are creating havoc.
If the lies were true, I'd join you. But at the end of the day, they are just lies, as reporting has conclusively proved. Let's test your conscience: pretend for the moment that you accept my position that these classes simply explain the Hispanic history and that as a result the students come out inspired to learn more, to do more and even more patriotic for the experience. If what I say is true, would you support Ethnic Studies?
If your answer is "hell no," then there is some more going on inside your heart than just concern for America. If the answer is "maybe, but I don't believe you," then I would ask that you take the time to look for hard evidence -- including the observations of those who, unlike Horne, actually took the time to attend a class, talk to a teacher and observe the students.
I trust you are a good and decent human being and that you'll do the right thing. After all, WWJD?
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C. Carson 05/17/2011 6:41:00 AM
No, dear boy, I do not invoke the C word because someone thinks differently than I. The word is invoked because it the best adjective for someone as particularly spiteful and mean as Shelby.
I use words with precision, and in this case the word fits precisely.
You have grown too accustomed to shotgunning insults and stereotypes. The mirror you seek is your own.
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C. Carson 05/17/2011 6:36:00 AM
Thank you for your post. It communicates more about you than you imagine. BTW: keep up the small-man insprired whining about how everyone thinks they are smarter than you.
No one has stated that. No one has come even close.
Yet, that's your go-to retort? Why is that? How about the next time you actually respond in a meaningful, on-point manner?
You might actually convince us you aren't what you claim you aren't, which is what you are starting to come of as being.
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C. Carson 05/17/2011 6:32:00 AM
cogency fail
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C. Carson 05/17/2011 6:31:00 AM
Your comments communicate a most offensive form of hate. So, I have to ask: if you don't have hate in your heart, then why do you have hate in your writing?
You know nothing about these courses, yet you come here to make demonstratively false claims, to mock those who think opposite you and to disparage the good work of decent educators.
We only know of you what you write, and right now you come off very poorly.
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Kit Carson 05/17/2011 6:24:00 AM
Links to videos please.
Not that I'm saying you are misinformed, but given the frequency with which those on your side of the debate are proven to be liars, one has to be careful.
So, please, give us links to the videos. I promise I will give them my full attention and, if they show what you claim, will join your side of the debate.
But I have to ask: what is so wrong with reading communist poetry? Is it wrong to expose our children to diverse ways of thinking? I think the greatest value can come from it, particularly with communism.
Communism, you may recall, is the perfect Pollyanna political ideology. To each according to his need, from each according to his ability. It is the type of politics Jesus would want, if Jesus did politics. Trouble is, people aren't nice and communism, and its inherent lack of rewards for exceptionalism, causes mediocrity.
In teaching communist poetry we expose our children to some of the more Hobbesian aspects of the real world. We encourage them to consider how to be compassionate (dare i say conservative) while appreciating the value of a capitalist market.
Your opposition to exposing students to diverse thought is why your side of the debate is frequently called anti-education. Sure, you want kids in school, but only if the school teaches them an prescribed view of the United States. For the rest of the world, that style of teaching is less about education, and more about indoctrination. To this, I plainly state - NOT WITH OUR CHILDREN YOU DON"T!
I am also deeply puzzled by your extreme black-and-white thinking towards the teachers fo these classes. Do you genuinely think they are out to harm these children, to harm America?
Is there no possibility that decent people with good intent may have different approaches, even where one approach, argumedo, unwittingly causes harm?
I think your side of the debate is comprised of decent people to whom so many lies have been told they react as any rationale person would - because if the lies are true, then damn-it, heads should role. Unfortunately, we too frequently learn the claims are just lies. We learn the lady at the school board meeting deceived us, that Horne's investigation was a sham (never once attending a class or interviewing students!), and that these students, whom you call brats, so love this country that they enlist in the military at a higher rate than their Anglo counterparts.
If the classes were teaching hate for America, they would get a big fail, as do the anti-education forces that seek to close them down.
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ChuckL 05/17/2011 6:24:00 AM
More liberal BS from the New Times.
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An American Citizen 05/16/2011 3:11:00 PM
It is one thing to teach history, it is something completely different when a teacher only teaches of one ethnic group. New Times, I feel you are prejudice against the "American" people and would rather have a teacher only teach the Hispanic history.
If you remember history, you might recall that Spanish Conquistadors went into the present day Central America and killed thousands of Natives because they would not accept their religion and refused to bow down to their demands. So as I see it... The present day Hispanic/Mexican is no better then the Europeans that came into the North Americas and forced their rule on the natives. I think that the teachings of the Hispanic culture is one sided and does not deserve a special time or class, and is considered prejudicial against the American People.
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05/16/2011 3:03:00 PM
Should be interesting to see how that turns out.
www.total-anon.us.tc
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05/16/2011 2:22:00 PM
There are real, authentic, credible videos of something else going on in those classrooms. You can call it whatever you want but until you explain the videos you're just full of it. Also are videos of the protests, just as revealing. I see brats who need counseling and a program with it's teachers that need a permanent pink slip. Reading communist revolutionary poetry because it was written by a Mexican is what everyone has the problem with. There are other ethnic examples that don't victimize the students. The people responsible for this are monsters that deserve the strongest censure. Not with our children you don't.
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hisnicptry 05/16/2011 6:59:00 AM
The fact is that they have been trying to RECLAIM the SOUTHWEST doesn't matter to anyone are you kidding me? THE JIG IS UP! We have PROOF it's rampant and to use these people to train those for this is disturbing and scary.....thankfully we have video and proof so no more of this foolish and dangerous bunch of freaks that are hurting all of our future.....simply hateful of the NEW TIMES or a ploy to get us to see it....hard to say..but I have SEEN them trying to erase the CONSTITUTION and poof there goes AMERICANS freedoms.
Ask Tom Horne and he is a HARVARD lawyer and the AG and thankfully the decent society of All races sees this as a very nasty trick and SAL REZA will BE SHOWN to be a real dirtbag.
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Jas Wats 05/16/2011 4:43:00 AM
Hey dumbass, you want to be a grammar nazi? Learn how to use commas. Like the one you are missing after the word "punctuation."
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05/16/2011 12:35:00 AM
You are either very young or just silly.
These "informative and inspirational" *cough* courses should not be taught in a U.S. public school. If you want inspiration, you can find it. Lots of U.S. taxpayers do not care to fund it.
This silly useage of the word "hate". I do believe that came out of that fabulous inner city ghetto culture. It is over used and mis-used. Because somebody disagrees with you does not mean they hate you.
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05/16/2011 12:30:00 AM
Here is a quick, fun question for you!
How many Mexicans should get to come here, illegally? 1 million, 20 million, 45 million?
How about Central Americans? Say...4 million? 12 million?
Let's move South....How many from Columbia? 400,000....3 million?
What about Canada? How about 4 million.
But, I can see that you being so much smarter than the "red neck" posters...not to mention so much more progressive and socially conscious....How many nice, hard working African's should get to hop on a plane and come on over. Lots of them are victims of atrocious genocide. They are wonderful people with lovely kids and they just need a chance for a better life. Should you, if you could, let 75 million come over tomorrow?
Hey...let's not forget about North Korea! They are literally starving. According to your views, I imagine you would let, say....100 million in next week. After all, times change! Right?
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05/16/2011 12:20:00 AM
Ahhhh...the grammar police.
His point is still right on.
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05/16/2011 12:19:00 AM
You just made my day.
I think more and more U.S. citizens are waking up to what has been going on in a lot of public schools.
Hope you are going to a good school and don't face too many uber liberal/socialist/Marxist instructors. Just keep you head down and do the work to get the degree.
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05/16/2011 12:16:00 AM
Ummmmm...you know it's just silly hiding behind the "immigrant" word.
This country LOVES immigrants. It is what the country was founded on.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS do not belong here.
I suggest they return to Mexico, or China or Canada or Ireland or that the govt do their job and deport them.
Oh, but we do agree: God bless America.
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05/16/2011 12:11:00 AM
Hey, you are a class act! Somebody sees things differently and you call them the "c" word.
I dare think if you take a glance in a mirror you might be looking at that ignorant, hateful person you claim the other poster is. Just a guess!
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05/16/2011 12:06:00 AM
Actually, I was taking a pot shot at the crap that is being "taught". To be a "student" of the racist, anti-American, La Raza crap, is like being a "student" of "Women's Studies". It's just a bunch of make believe, I'm a victim, hear me roar, delusional foolishness.
I'm a big fan of reality. Seems like a lot of other U.S. citizens are starting to realize they are too.
Keep up the squealing. You are definately getting the citizenship's attention.
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05/16/2011 12:00:00 AM
I've lived in in AZ for a while. Grew up here, lived in NYC/LA, then moved back.
Let's just say I'm making an educated guess that a large percentage of the kids are either not citizens of the U.S. or are anchor babies. I would bet a large amount of $$$ on that.
I went to a high school that had La Raza activists trying to infiltrate the ciriculum.
These dopes are vile. What I find really disturbing is that they are trying to radicalize these poor kids, a large number, I am guessing, do NOT have a U.S. birth certificate.
The kids that chained themselves to the chairs won't get thrown in jail or deported....NOW...But as they become radicalized they will keep ratcheting up the behavior and it will not work out too well for them.
Public high schools in the U.S. should not have "studies" programs. (Not to mention the absolute crap "studies" programs at university....good luck getting a job with that on your resume.) And, guess what....this La Raza crap is being booted out of the Tucson schools.
The majority of U.S. citizens are waking up....to this and to the Marxist in the White House.
Things are going to get very interesting, very quickly. My money is on Conservatism.
The race baiters have really bitten off more than they can chew.
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GUEST 05/15/2011 7:54:00 PM
Why are you all spreading lies... the board in Tuscon is NOT trying to shut down the class...they are simply trying to make it an elective!!!! Typical liberal playbook...trying to put out lies to create more of a mess than there really is.. The kids are not even speaking on their own.. They have a college proff telling them what to say, writing the speaches for them, and hiding in the back ground! And guess what..I GO TO SCHOOL THERE!!
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Kit Carson 05/15/2011 2:35:00 PM
If what you write, above, is true, then why do you oppose a class that teaches exactly what you now claim to support.
Ethnic studies teaches to love one's self as well as others. It provides a comprehensive view of American history not available in mainstream classes, and it teaches self-esteem.
You don't know who is putting down Hispanic students? Seriously? Allow me to educate you: it's you!
Perhaps unwittingly, but when you attack, from a position of ignorance, these students and the classes they find uplifting and informative, you are communicating to them their history is unworthy, the plight their family endured is unworthy, their literature is unworthy and that they, hispanic-Americans, are unworthy as well.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in this post and assuming you aren't doing this intentionally; rather, you're just misinformed and misguided. After all, you're one of those who actually thought the woman speaking at the school board was speaking the truth. As we now know, and as any honest person must recognize, she was lying. Even if one still opposes Ethnic Studies, one can not state, with a straight face, the woman was being truthful.
You were lied to, and you accepted those lies. Now you know better. Put aside your rush to judgment and demonstrate your words, above, have meaning. Drop the strawman arguments, the false claims and the hate-filled writings. Support the comprehensive, America-loving, student empowering Ethnic Studies program.
How you respond will inform us what style of American you truly are.
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Kit Carson 05/15/2011 2:25:00 PM
As Lemons demonstrates - the woman in the video is lying.
Follow this link: http://bit.ly/kEylQB, it gives the full material, not the select hyperbole Horne's minions crave. He gives context, and he gives you the ability to fact-check his work. None of these are done by the anti-education historical revisionist whose position you seemingly accept.
In short: you were lied to. If the lies were true, I'd join you in being upset. But they aren't. You got suckered. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Are you willing to be fooled continually by these people?
The claims made at that meeting are demonstratively false - and they were made just to get decent people, such as you I imagine, upset. If they lied to you then, what other lies do you think they have spread?
I encourage you to do some true research. Don't get caught up in a mob mentality. Don't trust me, trust you own mind, provided you are willing to do genuine research.
I have faith in you, don't let me down.
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DweedoMontana 05/15/2011 11:49:00 AM
You think they don't teach the Bill of Rights in history and world culture classes in France, or other countries? That document was an important part of world history, and fairly contemporary with France's own revolution. They teach it there, and elsewhere in Europe, and probably in most first- and second-world countries across the globe. I'd bet they even teach it in Mexico...
It is mostly Americans who don't pay any attention to American history. If you want to NOT learn any of our country's important policies and historical events, move to Arizona.
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DweedoMontana 05/15/2011 11:40:00 AM
When the topic of discussion is the merit of an education program, intended to bring up AIMS scores in our "at risk" students: yes, I think there should be marks taken off for spelling and punctuation! Whether on the internet, writing a physical letter to the editor, or scribbling graffiti on the bathroom wall at Wal-Mart, no one should be expected to take you seriously if you can't compose your thoughts in an intelligent manner. I'd argue especially not on the internet, since spell checking happens automatically on most browsers.
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John_k40 05/15/2011 3:34:00 AM
Parents in Tucson, Arizona, are beyond disgruntled over the content of a anti-capitalist, anti-American textbook used in an ethnic studies curriculum for grades 3–12. At a Tucson board meeting on May 10 (picture, left and video below), parents articulated their anger over the curriculum’s content, and read aloud excerpts from the controversial book.
You think theae parents are wrong and Mr Lemon knows it all? If these so called educators want to teach anti- american anything let them do it anywhere other than america. We cannot continue to spend valuable tax dollars supporting this BS.
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05/15/2011 2:33:00 AM
As for you, you seem to be a chauvinistic red neck who can't open one's mind to the fact that even though some of the Latinos are coming in illegally, they're just doing it to better their lives and seek a better education then they themselves received. All nations must have a starting point, where a race comes and inhabits a foreign land to seek a better beginning. That's exactly how this Great US of A was formed. That's exactly what's happening at the moment. Times change, as well as communities and countries, and for better or worse, Mexicans are here to stay. So why deny them an education to better our country?
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05/15/2011 2:28:00 AM
So you have to use proper punctuation and grammar while on the internet now? One isn't defined by his/her grammar. Seriously, you don't have to go and bash on someone just for misspelling a couple of words, or not putting proper punctuation in place.
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guest 05/14/2011 5:41:00 PM
" And he is quoting the director of the course"
follow the link. It's not a quote from the director, its a shotgun blast to the gut of your "everyone else says so" agrument.
Lemons deconstructs the video lie you presented, and then defended several times.
Follow the link.
You can't be part of an informed debate if you routinely refuse to become informed.
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Kit Carson 05/14/2011 5:26:00 PM
Seriously, you want to trudge up the old myth of the liberal media? And then use it as an excuse for not offering proof in a substantive discussion (well, substantive by me, just naked accusations by Dusty.)
Then, you try to double-down by claiming fascism is part of the left?
WTH? "According to the simplest left-right axis, communism and socialism are usually regarded internationally as being on the left, opposite fascism and conservatism on the right"
Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum, or any non-wingnut treatise on the political spectrum and then come back when you're ready to talk sense.
You did get one thing right, sort of, and then only inadvertently.
"this class is currently not teaching, it is trying to insight."
Yup, it is trying to give the students the ability to think critically, to have insight into history and what that history means to the future. (Yes, I know, you mean incite, and yes, typos are very common on the Internet and I'm not attacking you on that point -- glass houses and all -- it's just too serendipitous to let go unremarked.)
It's worth noting that you're wrong about liberals and illegal/ unauthorized immigration (as adults, we can use the proper legal terms).
Liberals want and demand enforcement. Obama has placed more boots on the border than any President in history. He literally doubled Bush's efforts. This debate is not about bad people versus good people: it's the classic security v. freedom debate. Where do you draw the line?
We all want secure borders, the left simply thinks the right is going too far into the big government playbook and in so doing is creating an atmosphere hostile to US citizens who happen to have hispanic surnames.
You don't have to make it a zero-sum, good versus evil, for-us-or-against-us borderline personality disorder discussion.
Lead, follow or get out of the way. Don't obstruct because you can't appreciate that decent people can disagree and because you failed basic political science.
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Kit Carson 05/14/2011 5:08:00 PM
One class visit it still an infinite number of visits more than zero: the number of visits Horne made.
Rather than call on Lemons to do more research, why not show off your own skills at navigating the virtual stacks and give us chapter and verse on why you think these classes are bigoted and have been for at least the past decade.
You formed your opinion for a reason - right? You examined a variety of sources, including those counter to your present position, and then reached an informed, cogent position - right?
So, don't just state Lemons is wrong, prove it. (or not, up to you ...)
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Bckennedy1313 05/14/2011 4:59:00 PM
Another politically correct article from a lefty loon paper. Ethnic Studies equals voluntary segregation from American Values and American Society you idiots. Smoke some more pot and see what other ridiculous articles you can write while your baked.
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Kit Carson 05/14/2011 1:20:00 PM
Just curious: what names do you think you were called? I don't see any name-calling. Some truthful adjectives and adverbs are used to describe your position, your lies and your logic fails, but no name calling.
Do you expect that when you write a lie no one may comment on its lack of truthfulness?
When you use a strawman argument, is it wrong to comment on how pathetic an effort it was?
When you abuse the English language to perpetuate libel, is it a breach of comity to note your failure?
You weren't called any names, you just don't have a defense against being called out, so you engage in obfuscation. Pretty sad on your part, no?
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Kit Carson 05/14/2011 1:14:00 PM
Awww, proven that you're wrong you resort to calling out "I'm rubber and you are glue."
You obviously didn't bother to read what Lemons' wrote, he didn't just conclude he was right and the others wrong - HE PROVED IT.
He completely destroyed the lie put forth by others and mindlessly repeated by you. He showed his work, he gave citations, he empowered you to fact check his claims -- you just can't be bothered to emerge from your entrenched position of hate. Cognitive dissonance is a cruel mistress, and nothing Lemons can write, no dictionary you can read, no fact that can presented will ever force you to actually think objectively about this issue.
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Kit Carson 05/14/2011 1:05:00 PM
> If you have a problem with Lemons then why are you supporting this story
Medical psychiatry informs us that the number one sign of an anti-social personality disorder is the inability to appreciate good and bad exists in all people. When people go about proclaiming "you're either for us or against us" then you better watch out.
I'm for Lemons when he is on his game, as with this story, against him when he goes astray. It's a one-way thing, I'm sure he doesn't give a rats ass about what I write, but it gives me something to do when things are slow at the office.
You keep repeating that Lemons is biased, but you never substantiate your claim. Why is that? Can we get an offer of proof from you? Further, good reporting doesn't mean everyone comes off equally good (or, as the old adage goes, equally upset). When Clinton did wrong with Lewinsky, the articles reflected badly on him.
Show for us that Lemons' bias has improperly affected his reporting. Where was he unfair to Horne? Did Horne, in fact, actually attend a class meeting of this program, for example?
Remember, it's okay to be biased and to discriminate, its wrong to engage in unlawful or unprofessional bias or discrimination. (If you don't get that point, you have no place commenting on anything related to journalism or law.)
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John_k40 05/14/2011 1:03:00 PM
Mr. Lemons, your article is one. Really, from one set up class observation you can discern what these bigots have been teaching for the last decade or so? They have you right where they want you. Do a little more research, and stop writing suppositions and your opinions with no real information or investigation. Journalists are so damn lazy these days.
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Kit Carson 05/14/2011 12:53:00 PM
You have a point on inappropriate word choice - no debate from me, but not because the word is racist. It isn't. Period. It does neither connotes or communicates one race being superior to the other. Your inability to master basic English is troubling.
So please, chase after Lemons for poor word choice, but do so with a sense of integrity and honor. Your effort to conflate the use of ofay into Lemons being a racist simply reminds us that so much of the anti-Ethinic Studies argument is comprised of similar exaggerations, of false outrage and outright lies.
You will never be taken seriously when you make demonstratively false, scurrilous claims.
I have to ask: are you genuinely so limited in faculties that you think Lemons use of ofay is racist, or do you just think so little of the readership of the PNT that you think they'll just buy your nonsense, then way the teaparty buys the nonsense of the wingnuts?
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Kit Carson 05/14/2011 12:45:00 PM
Dude - you obviously have never lived in a part of the states where ofay is used. It is not a racist term. It does not suggest superiority of one race over another. It's not a word I would use, but having been called it a few times, I understand its meaning: dumbass white guy.
Further, because Lemons is a white guy, even if we pretend (argumendo) that you were right and it was a term concerning racial superiority, it is unlikely that Lemons is a racist against himself. Continuing the charade that your argument holds water, it would be akin to a black man calling another black man a nigger. It ain't racist when used intramurally.
But, of course, ofay has no racist or racism in it. It's just your last-ditch desperate effort to rehabilitate your foolish, ill-considered claims.
As for whining - that's exactly how what you write sounds like. You're failure to understand figurative verses literal language further cements your position as someone ill-equipped to comment on the educational programs and any school.
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Kit Carson 05/14/2011 12:32:00 PM
Uhm, okay, but what about the overwhelming majority of students who are US citizens, who find these courses informative and inspirational?
The only race war being pushed is by the likes of you -- while these classes teach love of self and others, you project upon them your desire to engage in bloodshed.
Sorry to disappoint you: no race war is coming, no matter what your local clan and skinhead leaders tell you at your meetings.
Thank you, however, for posting. At least you are unabashed in your hate - something Horne tries desperately to hide.
Why anyone would want to be on your side of this issue is recondite to me.
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Dustylive 05/14/2011 8:11:00 AM
No need for name calling dave. Even though Mexicans technically speak Spanish, AP feels the need to criticize johno for saying Mexican, even though there are significant differences between Spanish vocabulary and Mexican. He/she also feels the need to criticize someone because they left one letter out. Because no one has ever done that before. AP also feels the need to make someone feel guilty for the love of their country and make fun of them. And they also had to act like Glenn Beck is the conservative landmark. Even though he is a very intelligent historian of American History, AP wants you to believe that he is a crazy right-wing nut job. Did you know that Beck isn't even a member of the GOP party? Most Libs don't. AP also wants you to believe that it is ok for illegal aliens to create their own culture for the country that they enter in to ILLEGALLY and make others adapt to the culture they believe in instead of embracing the culture of the country that they unofficially became a part of. You see, we need to make sure that individuals that enter our country are made comfortable and not subjected to a harsh egalitarian system like that of the U.S.
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Dustylive 05/14/2011 7:30:00 AM
You are awesome at calling me names. What you are not awesome at is providing a reasonable arguement. What did Lemons conclude? That he is right and all of these other people are wrong? And he is quoting the director of the course. Its no big surprise that this guy is going to support his program. That's his job. But that doesn't mean that he is correct. That just means that he is trying to keep his job. You are telling me not to believe everything I read but you are soaking this in like a sponge. Maybe you need to look at your own advice. And once again the lack of arguement is replaced by name calling. Just sad.
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FriendofDusty 05/14/2011 7:13:00 AM
Ok Kit Carson...gotta step in here....you are claiming that Dusty is not backing up his statements w/ proof. Since when is that a prerequisite for anything these days??? The last decade of Liberal slanted media is base on not having to prove anything....in fact its the status quo.
For instance...Liberals can't actually defend the current lack on inforcement of illegal immigration and the affects its having on our country with merrit so they call anyone who doensn't believe what they say a racist. They can't support Obama's economic policies/decisions on just about anything...if he has the b@#ls to make them...so they blame Bush for the "current economic situation that we've inhereted".....and my favorite accusation of all is calling Bush or any other republican a Facist. But just like any other Liberal argument, we won't let the fact that Facism is rooted in a "leftist" philosophy get int he way of anything...silly little facts.
Dusty's simply pointing out that this class is currently not teaching, it is trying to insight. Imagine if any type of conservative view was taught in any class anyhwere...the ACLU would be on that like a pack of dogs on a 3 legged cat. In fact, here's what happens when that type of "constitutional right" is excercised.... http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/franklin/Controversy-over-child's-flag-drawing
So glad the Left is around to teach us how to be open minded....oh, sorry, that's only when they agree w/ the "Us".
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Dustylive 05/14/2011 7:11:00 AM
I am from WV and if Lemons is from the south then he knows the power of words and how they can represent hatred and bigotry. That word is a derogatory term towards white people, no matter how you paint it. If we are going to protest against racial separation then it needs to be represented by all parties and not just the "usual suspects." I know what the definition of racism is and ofay fits into that category. Anything that subjects a culture to feeling inferior, like any other racial term, is considered racist. The point is that this individual that wants to be considered a credible journalist should be able to write an objective story without derogatory terms that focuses on the points that he/she wants to make without having to make others looks like horrible people which is not the case. It is very irresponsible from an individual that is supposed to be a professional.
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Dustylive 05/14/2011 6:57:00 AM
Once again I have to educate you but the definition of whining is to utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint. None of that is what you said. Did you read the article. How can you tell me with a straight face that it is not racist or biased. He called on official an "Ofay" and the whole story is predicated on his opinion towards the school board. And I haven't lied about anything. If I have please tell me. Also, If you have a problem with Lemons then why are you supporting this story when it is obvious that he is being demonstrative and completely biased?