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SM 11/20/2011 1:20:00 PM
Maybe you should share this with others:
Critique of the VegNews article “Supreme Mystery” : http://worldpeacediet.org/vncritique.htm
Suprememystery’s Blog: http://suprememystery.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/hello-world/
Rick Ross Mental Instability: http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/religious-experts/false-experts/rick-ross/mental-instability/
Gary Yourofsky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4&feature=player_embedded#at=321
Howard Lyman – Mad Cowboy (Plain Truth from the Cattle Rancher Who Won’t Eat Meat):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68WSPU7w7EE
Neil Barnard MD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I
Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead: http://www.hulu.com/watch/289122/fat-sick-and-nearly-dead
Forks Over Knives: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-OzTWY2J8E
The World Peace Diet: http://www.worldpeacediet.org
The China Study: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1CeCGG3NI
The Comparative Anatomy of Eating: http://www.vegsource.com/news/2009/11/the-comparative-anatomy-of-eating.html
Jesus was a Vegetarian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv3uU2YY6pM&feature=related
Check Out Documentaries: As We Sow, Chow Dow, Diet for a New America, Dirt, Earthlings, Food Inc, Food Fight, Food Matters, Fresh, King Corn, May I Be Frank, Super Size Me, THRIVE, The Future of Food, The Real Dirt on Farmer John, The World According to Monsanto, We Feed The World, What's On Your Plate...
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SM 11/07/2011 8:19:00 AM
Dear Guest:
I don’t mean to be rude at your lament, but a VEGAN diet DOES NOT make people “weak & compliant”.
Please check out VEGAN ATHLETES at: http://www.bestveganguide.com/vegan-athletes.html
That’s the first FALSE allegation on your part. Secondly, no one following Ching Hai is ever being coerced into doing something that they DO NOT themselves ENJOY. I know these folks very well myself. They play, sing, dance, laugh, volunteer, work, and enjoy healthy vegan celebrations all the time among themselves & like-minded friends.
You did not elaborate on why your sister is so “depressed”. Is it because, at every family gathering with you, she might be thinking of how NOT to be poisoned by BBQ on the 4th of July, or how to AVOID having turkey shoved down her throat every Thanksgiving, and ham crammed on her plate each Christmas? Or is it because she could not convince YOU, someone she dearly LOVES, that you are the MOST DESTRUCTIVE part of global warming that she cannot help turn around?
With so many calamities over natural or manmade disasters, wars, famine, drought, world hunger (etc), it’s pretty amazing that you may lead on a toxic NON-VEGAN lifestyle and label that “balanced & healthy”. Don’t worry, your sister sounds like a beautiful selfless Saint being so dedicated the way she is.
Please educate yourself, meanwhile. Please check out “suprememastertv.com” to learn more about the REAL Ching Hai and Her devotees to see for yourself how HAPPY they are most of the time.
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SM 11/07/2011 6:28:00 AM
Amen !
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Al 10/23/2011 1:53:00 PM
Maybe you should share this problem in some forums.
In Cult Education Forum there is a long and active thread about Ching Hai : http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,51521,page=1
Also a thread in Forumosa forum : http://www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=62081&start=40
A thread in David Icke's forum : http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=181348
You can also try the YahooGroup ExSat : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exsat/#ans
You can find more, googling "Ching Hai cult forum"
Good luck!
If you want to read about Ching Hai, there's SupremeLeak which is a collection of links about Ching Hai (mostly independent sources rather than the Ching Hai official propaganda)
SupremeLeak2 : http://supremeleak.over-blog.com
(The old website http://supremeleak.pbworks.com has been closed)
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Guest 10/20/2011 9:08:00 PM
Please I NEED some help!
"Family members of Ching Hai adherents assert under online pseudonyms that the Association brainwashes its members through prolonged meditation and a diet that keeps them weak and compliant. They say Hai's followers end up devoting all their time to the cult and force their families into debt spending money on Hai merchandise"
My dear sister that I LOVE so much has been involved with this group for 10 years! She is so brain watch and has such an unhealthy and unbalanced life because of this movement! She dedicates 100% of her time without any remuneration to help with the group and she does not think about herself or her 2 beautiful young daughters. She is so exploited by this group and she believes absolutely everything they tell her. She is so depressed! We dont know how to help her anymore. How can we help her to go back to her healthy life? Does anyone know of anybody that can help us? We have tried to talk to her many times but she does not listen to us her family!
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ExpertShot 10/19/2011 8:04:00 PM
"Some medical experts now believe veganism can reverse such maladies as heart disease, high blood pressure, and diabetes. Scientists warn that meat eating and livestock farming are speeding the process of climate change."
Some experts? How about ALL experts on the subject of diet. There's no question - humans are screwing up their bodies and their minds eating meat. It is a completely insane industry that perpetuates itself with death, destruction and lies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism
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Stephan Lemons 10/11/2011 5:18:00 AM
You can check out Rick Ross mental stability at for yourself:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/religious-experts/false-experts/rick-ross/
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09/12/2011 9:32:00 PM
@ Martin Smith
Don't you mistake with Rick Ross the American rapper?
Give us your source.
And you, do you even have a high school education? Sounds very unlikely to me :D
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Michael 08/17/2011 1:22:00 AM
I found your article helpful.
Rather balanced.
Re: critics generally: Personally I never understood debunking - how can you beleive against something - reality is reality. Anyway I feel your positive conclusion is appropriate. The organization Master Ching Hai has created is promoting good things.
thank- you again for your perspective. :)
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Martin Smith 07/27/2011 6:13:00 AM
Did y'all know that Rick Ross has a high school education and was once a convicted felon? Try Googling him up online...
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Koldin 06/13/2011 7:31:00 AM
Have you REALLY done your research?
From: *** *****
To: ******@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:51:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: LA Center - Loving Hut Restaurant/Central Kitchen
Dear Saint Brothers/Sisters,
Just wanted to send a clarification about the LA Center - Loving Hut Restaurant/Central Kitchen Project.
At this time, as Master instructed, we are focusing on opening a Loving Hut Restaurant
and Central Kitchen to be run by the LA Center. All contributions will be applied toward
its opening. If there's any profit earned, it will also be used for the next Loving Hut Restaurant,
as Master said we need to have a total of 10 Loving Hut Restaurant in our area.
That's why all contributions made by the initiates will not be reimbursed to them as a
profit earned.
As far as the investment of the Loving Hut Restaurant, the initiates need to form their own
team and to be run by themselves, such as funding, working staff, and etc...
The LA Center - Loving Hut Restaurant/Central Kitchen will be their supplier in order for
them to be in the Loving Hut Restaurant system.
Hope this is clear to everyone.
Thank you so much for your loving support.
WML,
LA Center
============================
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 1:49:00 PM
“The only causes of regret are laziness, outbursts of temper, hurting others, prejudice, jealousy and envy.” ― Germaine Greer
Thank you for your kind input !
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J. P. Coldstar 06/09/2011 10:10:00 AM
Rather sensationalistic headlines for such a tame article. The biggest complaints are some dude whose wife spends too much money on jewelry (wow, THAT'S never happened before), and the bewildering incident when Ching Hai's followers built her a patio in the protected Florida swampland. (For those curious, her adjoining property was seized by the state to pay the costs of removing the structure.)
I investigated the Suma Ching Hai Association about a year ago (clearly using the same state-of-the-art Google search keywords that Mr. Lemons used), and found all the same info. As a skeptic, I was looking for anything bad about Ching Hai, but there's really nothing to be found. They promote meditation, eco-friendly living, and a vegan diet, which is rather benign. Members don't seem to be "exploited" any more so than individuals who volunteer at their local church or favorite charity organization.
Sometimes people donate their time to causes they believe in; not ALL of us are only in it for the money, Mr. Lemons!
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 9:58:00 AM
Well now, let's see, Marcy:
Just the "do no harm to other living things" precepts is silly. What is harm? What is a living thing? Should we not consider the greater good? Swerve into a ditch to avoid hitting a sparrow on the road?
YOU MIGHT CONSIDER YOUR HUSBAND, DOGS, CATS, EVERYONE & EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE PLANET "LIVING THINGS". HARMING OR HURTING IT IS JUST LIKE HURTING YOURSELF. WHAT'S THE GREATER GOOD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE, MARCY? AND THANKS FOR SWERVING INTO A DITCH TO AVOID HITTING A SPARROW ON THE ROAD !!!
No lying is equally silly, that's like saying no breathing. Speaking of which, the whacky cult professes to have people who claim they survive only by breathing, no eating anything. That's a lie.
YOU MAY TRY IT FOR A WHILE THEN LET ME KNOW IF IT'S A LIE. UNTIL THEN, DON'T BE TOO QUICK TO JUDGE, MISSY !
What is "misconduct" when it comes to sex? Who defines it?
OH, THAT JUST MEANS YOU DON'T WANT TO TURN AROUND AND FIND YOUR HUSBAND WITH HIS HANDS WRAPPED AROUND ANOTHER WOMAN ON THE SAME BED. GOOD FOR HIM, BUT MIGHT BE BAD FOR YOU & YOUR MARRIAGE.
No intoxicants? At what level does something become an intoxicant and is having a sip of wine the same as becoming drunk?
NOT EXACTLY THE SAME BUT THAT'S HOW YA GET STARTED IN THE FIRST PLACE (WITH JUST AN "INNOCENT" ONE SIP.) TALK TO ANY ALCOHOLIC ANONYMOUS.
No stealing? Define stealing. Is it a legal definition or a moral definition?
HOW ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, MARCY? HEY, YA WANNA GIVE THAT CAR AWAY BY ANY CHANCE? IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD IN YOUR DRIVE WAY.
GEEZ, I HOPE I'VE SATISFIED ALL OF YOUR INTELLIGENT QUESTIONS, MARCY.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO WRITE.
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 9:45:00 AM
Good point, my friend. Thanks for bringing it up !
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 9:45:00 AM
Stephan here. Why don't you shut up and it down before Marcy calls you a kook !
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 9:43:00 AM
Stephen here. Are you calling me names, dimwit?
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 9:01:00 AM
Thumbs up to David for sure !
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 9:00:00 AM
Stephen here. Why don't you back off, moron !!!
You almost sound like an impostor who needs some deprogramming yourself.
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 8:56:00 AM
Sorry, Hannah, for me being such a jerk! Don't know what has come over me the last few days. I was almost not myself for a while there...
Sorry for wasting so much of my readers' time over unfounded gossips. Everything was written has nothing to do with children dying in 3rd world countries every second, ever minute as we speak, due to starvation tied in with cattle farming. What a shame !
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 8:15:00 AM
wolf, wolf... kookoo, kookoo...
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 8:13:00 AM
To Newtimes Readers:
I'm sorry for being such a jerk by making up lies and stories about The Supreme Master Ching Hai. If you really want to know the Truth, truth may be found anywhere but here on my blog, least in my article.
Regretfully yours,
Stephan "Lame" Lemons
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Stephan Lemons 06/09/2011 7:57:00 AM
... hallelujah, billy, for making comments the way you did. good observations, ya hear ! now, marcy, ya can run along and find the right tree in yur neighborhood to bark up to... wolf, wolf !!!
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06/07/2011 2:23:00 PM
I used to watch Supreme Master Ching Hai on some cable public access channel on COX in the early 90's.
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Neil 06/06/2011 4:30:00 PM
I've learned not to trust what we read but simply what we have experienced then we can be sure what's truthful or not. Regarding to "Breatharians", it's true that they exist now and throughout history all over the world. I know of one in current time. Last of all, it's easy to judge others by what we read but try to do our own research without bias then we will find out for ourselves. Good luck!!
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BillyShears 06/05/2011 5:46:00 PM
marcy,
i did a little research about this. those are Buddhist precepts much like the 'ten commandments' for Jews and Christians...not created by these folks. would you call someone who followed those commandments nutjobs? it's my personal opinion that we would live in a much better world if we all subscribed to such ideas. it also says 'refrain'....which to me, doesn't necessarily come across as dogma.... maybe just suggestions to help people lead a better and more ethical/moral life in their decision making. i, personally don't see this as anything negative.
there are also many, many people who 'believe' in ufo's or have said they have sighted them. some are world leaders such as jimmy carter, ronald reagan and bill clinton. is there something to this? i have no idea, but i won't judge it and try to keep an open mind.
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Pauline45 06/05/2011 5:24:00 PM
Fr.David Ostler (alter boy abuser from Cornwall,Ont.ca.) now in sun city west,Az.
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Marcy 06/05/2011 1:07:00 PM
Billy,
Just the "do no harm to other living things" precepts is silly. What is harm? What is a living thing? Should we not consider the greater good? Swerve into a ditch to avoid hitting a sparrow on the road?
No lying is equally silly, that's like saying no breathing. Speaking of which, the whacky cult professes to have people who claim they survive only by breathing, no eating anything. That's a lie.
What is "misconduct" when it comes to sex? Who defines it?
No intoxicants? At what level does something become an intoxicant and is having a sip of wine the same as becoming drunk?
No stealing? Define stealing. Is it a legal definition or a moral definition?
Life gets muddy around the edges Billy and people who profess to some simplistic code and are led by a flat out whacked out nutjob (see her UFO comments) is simply a CULT.
Now are there worse cults out there? Are there worse things in life than being an idiot and becoming a devotee of L Ron Hubbard or Ching Hai? Sure, but lets not pretend that Ching Hai isn't leading a cult of mindless followers because she is.
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BillyShears 06/05/2011 1:37:00 AM
ya know, marcy...you're exactly right. who do these people think they are? how dare they! the nerve!
we all know the world needs more bloodthirsty, drunken liars, cheats and thieves!
what a cult of kooks!
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Marcy 06/04/2011 11:12:00 PM
Regardless of whether or not the food is good, it is a fact that Ching Hai is an epic kook and anyone who hangs on her every word is a fool.
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Marcy 06/04/2011 11:03:00 PM
"There are also five precepts to follow: Do no harm to other living beings. No lying. No stealing. No sexual "misconduct." And no intoxicants, defined in Association literature as alcohol, tobacco, or illicit drugs."
Sounds like a fun loving cult of kooks.
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SUPREMEMASTERMYBUTT 06/04/2011 4:54:00 PM
"She's asking you to think, not beg for enlightenment, moron." The only morons I see here are the ones that turn their brains off and refuse to see a cult for what it is. Ching Hai doesn't want her followers to "think." She wants them to OBEY, to open restaurants, work for free, and buy her ugly-ass jewelry.
"Any New Times article will be injected with the writer's biased opinion and not simple neutral facts. And no, Wiki is not a reliable source." Huh? Lemons went to the freaklodge cult center, read their freaky books, interviewed their brainwashed staff and followers, went to their restaurants, looked up their income tax returns, which isn't on any "Wiki" I've seen unless you're ready to post it for the cult ;)
And what about the millions in donations? Where did that come from? Out of thin air? From supporters who don't have to contribute but do so anyway?
Lemons talked to BOTH Rick Ross AND to Ching Hai's corporate slaves. And he didn't even dis them hard as he should have, in my opinion. It's like he's saying, "yeah, it's a cult, but the food ain't bad."
As for "firsthand knowledge," just watch one of Ching Hai's videos online (which I did after reading this article). The people in those videos act like ROBOTS. This "supreme master" is a shyster like the crazy Televangelists. And if you can't see that in her sites online, you're not capable of thinking critically. Weld your ears shut and eat all the Ching Hai food you want. There's a sucker born every minute.
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06/04/2011 2:13:00 PM
Meditation is a blanket term. It depends on the specific practice being followed. Some "meditation" practices are an adjunct to brainwashing. The Rev. Sun Myung Moon's followers "meditate," and Moon's "Unification Church" is as cultish as it gets.
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06/04/2011 2:01:00 PM
Meanwhile, in the same year that the editorial was published, a catholic-dominated nazi puppet state was being created out of Romania and Croatia. With Vatican support.
The Ustashe and the Iron Guard, far-right fascist groups that strongly embraced catholicism, were the equivalent of the Nazi Party in WWII Romania.
They participated enthusiastically in the extermination of Jews; Before WWII, there were roughly 400,000 Jews in Romania, after, only a few thousand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_clergy_involvement_with_the_Usta%C5%A1e
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Hannah 06/04/2011 10:41:00 AM
Thank you, bystander, that was my point.
To the commenter above with the crude name, you can choose to take the editorial piece at face value, or you can think critically and get first hand knowledge to formulate your own opinion. Any New Times article will be injected with the writer's biased opinion and not simple neutral facts. And no, Wiki is not a reliable source.
I'm not here to downgrade what you have to say. I'm simply stating what I know from what I'm seen and people I've interacted with when visiting the Loving Huts, rather than swallowing everything I'm given in this article as truth.
In a world with so much strife and hatred, why are we wasting time to criticize people we don't fully understand, but who simply promote peace and vegetables for our planet and animals? Absurd. Maybe we all need to tune in to Al Jazeera and check out what's really happening on the other side of the world.
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bystander 06/03/2011 5:50:00 PM
She's asking you to think, not beg for enlightenment, moron.
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SUPREMEMASTERMYBUTT 06/03/2011 5:10:00 AM
There are Ching Hai products all over the place, a TV with Ching Hai on it all the time, Ching Hai's bad paintings on the walls, people wearing Ching Hai's face around their necks. I'd call that "cult of personality." A book about her dogs? Her birds? What exactly is incorrect in this article? The tax returns? The visit to the cult center? Come on educate us, Hannah.
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Hannah 06/03/2011 1:44:00 AM
Well I have certainly visited many Loving Huts in my business travels and have not once been asked to join the group or so-called "cult." So this so-called "recruitment" that you suggest is lousy at best, Stephen. Are you writing this piece from an honest point of view or using Google and Wiki to fact check and add controversy to sell your piece?
If anything, the food at all Loving Huts I've been to is superb and the people are always kind and hospitable.
Take what you will from this article, but think critically with what the author and tabloid journalism has to say.
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malasangre 06/03/2011 12:55:00 AM
meditatation is very much about introspection that by definition focuses on self
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KCarson 06/02/2011 5:37:00 PM
For those who enjoy a little fact with their opinion, particularly as a means of keeping down the bile, please see: http://www.defendingthebride.com/sn/pius.html
See also, the New York Times' 1941 Christmas editorial, wherein it wrote:
"The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas. … His program … calls for … equal treatment for minorities, freedom from religious persecution. … the Pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism.”
Full text of Pope's address here: http://www.catholicleague.org/pius.php?id=21
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KCarson 06/02/2011 5:26:00 PM
But what if my thing is to be in a group of like-minded people?
If I do what you tell me to do, and thereby not be in the group, am I really doing my own thing?
The NFL does have a cult following, at least as that word is defined in Webster's:
"5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b : the object of such devotion
c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion"
We should examine each cult by its merits and avoid blanket statements. I don't have an opinion on this one, or I should say I haven't formed an opinion yet, but I've got a lot of information to consider.
Interesting read, Mr. Lemons, even with the slow start, I like your depth. You can't find reporting like this in the other AZ outlets. NIce work!
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06/02/2011 3:11:00 PM
Did Scott Henderson illustrate a picture of David from the old Veg House? If so, he is AWESOME! David, with the fried rice as a close second, was the best thing about that place. IMHO.
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PopeIntheWoods 06/02/2011 5:26:00 AM
Supreme Master? Doesn't hold a candle to: Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City,His Holiness, etc.
Almost forgot, Pius XII was a Jew hater and liked Nazis.
Probably dug little boys too.
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PopeIntheWoods 06/02/2011 5:20:00 AM
All these crackpots do is meditate and eat vegetables. If they want to kneel before some Vietnam crazy lady, it's a free country. At least they don't diddle little boys like Catholic priests.
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Maninphx 06/02/2011 4:44:00 AM
There is a great film called Eating which can be accessed at http://www.ravediet.com/
It is extremely though provoking.
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Maninphx 06/02/2011 4:37:00 AM
Statistically the average human uses approx. 130 gallons of water a day for bathing, drinking, etc. Once you eat one hamburger the usage goes up to 3130 gallons of water after raising and processing that patty.
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06/02/2011 4:08:00 AM
"Green's Damon Brasch concurs.
"What they're doing over there really isn't hurting anybody," he said. "You can look at the [National Football League], and it's somewhat of a cult, as well.""
I call bullshit.
Any time somebody presents themselves as a "spiritual teacher" or "guru" or evangelist or whatever and ropes a lot of psychologically vulnerable people into subordinating themselves and surrendering their autonomy, harm is done. Those who are roped in are inevitably led further down the road of self-alienation, further away from self-awareness. Doesn't matter whether the koolaid being peddled is old-school hellfire and damnation or new-age wheat-germ-and-granola woowoo shit, the results are similar.
When your time comes to die, you're the one who has to lie down and stop moving. So until then, don't waste your life doing anybody's thing but your own, even if they claim to be God's right-hand man.
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06/02/2011 3:38:00 AM
New rule; if you actually call yourself "Supreme Master," you are too grandiose to be the real deal.
Are followers of the "Supreme Master" "ultimate toadies?" It would seem to follow.
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06/02/2011 2:06:00 AM
This article makes me hungry.