Immigrants are always welcome....just get in line like the thousands who are waiting to hear their name called and who respect this country's rule of laws!
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There are many who give lip service to border security. You may or may not be one of them. You may be an open-borders advocate. But for the moment, put on your secure-borders hat and tell us how you would secure the borders if your job depended on its success. Is it possible to secure the borders if we abandon internal enforcement and grant yet another amnesty?
Your question assumes there's a need to secure borders, when really we just need to legalize drugs and people, and our "problem" vanishes; after that, we can concentrate on preventing actual threats from entering this country instead of perceived ones. But I'll play your juego: How would I secure American borders? Easy: American jobs for Americans only. Create an insular, xenophobic economy that keeps away all foreign labor and wants nothing to do with foreign investors. In other words, adopt the Mexican model — and look how far that got them.
I was recently having a heated discussion with a Republican friend of mine about illegal immigration. She seemed to think that it's fairly easy for Mexicans to immigrate legally to the United States. ("Basically, it's just a background check and a history test," she said.) If this is the case, why do so many Mexicans immigrate illegally? My Republican friend thinks they just don't want to pay taxes, and they want to get all our social services for free. I think the issue is more complex than that, but I didn't really know what to say in response. Any thoughts?
A Curious Democrat
Your friend is proof of how tontos Republicans are when it comes to the issue of immigration. If migrating legally to the United States were as easy as your amiga insists, you think Mexicans would pay thousands of dollars in smuggling fees and subject themselves to the terrorizing whims of coyotes when the legal way sets you back, after attorney fees and everything, a couple thousand dollars? If illegal immigrants didn't want to pay taxes, then why do so many assume fake Social Security numbers that ensures payroll and Social Security taxes get pulled, the latter of which they'll never get back? If illegal Mexis wanted to live high on the government queso, then why do you see so many of them selling flowers and strawberries on street corners? Tell your amiga that legal immigration takes years, years that poor people can't afford to waste in poverty when a risky trip will do the trick, and that she needs to become libertarian and learn true conservative principles instead of the snake-oil pendejadas currently offered by her party.
Good Mexican of the week: Los Tigres del Norte need no real introduction, but this one's for the gabachos: Imagine The Beatles combined with The Rolling Stones, mix in some Clash and Bill Monroe, and you still won't come close to describing the influence, innovative technique, and all-around talent these masters of the conjunto norteño genre (the Mexican music with accordions, not the one with tubas) have had on Mexican regional music for over 40 years. Their latest album, MTV Unplugged: Los Tigres del Norte & Friends, has the group performing some of their masterpieces and even features a duet with Rage Against the Machine frontman Zack de la Rocha. Do yourself a favor and buy this album as a primer — then work backwards through a catalog that would make Bob Dylan seem as prolific as Blind Faith.
Immigrants are always welcome....just get in line like the thousands who are waiting to hear their name called and who respect this country's rule of laws!
First I am against ALL illegal aliens not just mexicans. The thing is MOST illegal aliens ARE Latinos and THEY are the ones screaming for rights and rewards. THEY are the ones that play the race card so quickly. THEY say "Not all illegal aliens are mexican and then when you speak about the issue and they don't like it "You are racist". As for not hearing about illegal immigration in the 80 or 90's you did not have the drug war either. You did not have the cartels buying real estate in America. You did not have gangs running cities. In the 80's and 90's we did not have THOUSANDS of people coming across the border every day. In fact back then the citizens of Arizona put water jugs in the desert so they would not die. Then they started killing Americans. They started stealing their property. Now the citizens of Arizona don't leave water for illegal aliens any more but carry guns instead. Also back then the cartels did not find it profitable to smuggle illegal aliens into America. NOW they do, so they smuggle them by the thousands. A LOT has changed over the years. Now it is to the point of destroying this country. It MUST be stopped at all costs.
some one we should be against is the muslims they are the problem they bombed the twin towers and want to build a mosque near ground zero.they are the cause why our families are at war. hear me i never said arabs are problem i said Muslims if you read their coran in their originall language and translate it directly you will see what i am saying. the american is changed because there is regulations in the states but in germany a lot of us know what kind of messed up things it contains. tthe reason i said us germans is because i go there every summer and my perants who are directly from germany and grandparents without opinion gave me the koran to understand whay it is messed uo. i analized it and you do not whant these people who appear to be nice in the mirror while at their back thay have knived ready to stab you in their time
ooh people get to many emotions in here. Mexicans can say the same thing "we all are going to get every Americans deported and imprisoned."too much emotionlook if you are going to argue terry among other persons please keep it logical instead of emotional i am also an American by the way.Now let me ask you a question do you know the Government regulations in Mexico. no you do not it is nothing like the American it is a total socialist/communistic country with communistic laws.Now what is this argument all about.are we like Hitler's time just because you are a Jew or a catholic who was against Hitler you should not be in the Germany? what i am saying is people this illegal immigrant thing is becoming so obsessive. are all Mexicans criminals? In fact I know many Mexicans who are not criminals and are hard workers they also helped shape our economy.we brought our economy down. "How?" first we went to war in Iraq there is money going to the war, second we kick the workers who are willing to work for 2-5 bucks a day. they build our homes our farms etc.people are getting deported but not to their locations as officials said, a kid from Mexico was dropped to Sinaloa a state in Mexico and the narcs killed the boy to sell his eyes and guts to the black market. by the way this is true story i heard it from a ladie who found out that her son died 2 years ago this way the boy was 8 years old.
Now do you think what Arpaio did which is astonishing making men wear womens underwear in prison good? why do you not visit some time the prisons or jail after all they worked they were thrown in the bottom in mexico honor is very ultra important and they are being degraded as a homosexual anymal.(and yes i said it.)why not kick european illegals out? is it because they have the same skin color as us? or is it that they have the proper education for bringing our economy up?
no in fact that is not the case. europeans,middleastern people even though muslims are our enemy look at the twin towers some one we should be hitting is at them, and asia is all ok to come.but not mexican are you haring all those lies that are goign through the media. the media are giving you one hint, that all mexicans are criminals and that is not true.
we want power back but we will not get it back untill either we do their jobs for 4 bucks a day as minimum forget all those nice home etc. or until we as citizens accept them and only give them a new tipe of status that we would call, instead of green card or citizenship, workers rightwhich i would propose that every Hispanic or European or Asian, Jewish and christian Israeli, Christian Lebanese workers has the right to live in the U.S.A. as long as they are working and they are trying to work.that way they support our country in the right ways.
what is your proposition?
before judging them give me a proposition that our economy will fix our economy and that we treat these people as humans instead of animals
I personally am and will always be against treating people as animals. i believe we all are peoplethe only people that should be brought to justice are murders, drug sellers, prostitutes among other type of criminals.now i want a reason how are illegals doing us harm? how are illegals killing us? and if you will bring me how economic problems were caused by illegals i am sorry but those are lies. will you take their job> not would will you? so before you answer think, before you say think, not with the heart but with your mind.so if you and other people will vote for a law that will kick illegals out then please also add that in that list it also include european, midddleastern, asians, africans, and others because that would be fair instead of only a specific group but all others are allowed.by the way i am not pro Obama if that is your next question. and no i did not vote for Obama.
Kick ALL illegal aliens out. It does not matter WHERE they are from. IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL then YOU get deported. What part of ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS don't you get?
You know what loser, your right they should deport all the hardworking immigrants,In this country, so that your white ass' could go and pick your own fruits and vegetables that you put in your sewer holes, you fuckin pussies wouldn't last oneDay, yet you have the audacity (look it up) to talk shit, about people who do your dirty work. Fuckin TURD!
Yes,lets start with the very first illegals & all descendants. All we'll have left is brown skinned people! Yes hop on a boat & get your ass back to Europe where you belong.Good idea you have there!
Excellent post! I understand what you are saying but because it is like that doesn't make it right or mean we should accept it. Change occurs when people get fed up. I am fed up. Our government is putting illegal aliens above American citizens and THAT has to stop. Illegal aliens DON'T deserve amnesty. How much crime is done by illegal aliens? THEY say Americans do crime to, of course they do but THEY are AMERICANS. We do not need mexicos crime also. I have watch whole cities go from being a decent place to raise your kids to illegal alien strongholds that are absolutely nasty. JUST LIKE PARTS OF MEXICO. But because "It's the way it is" I have to accept it? NO, I don't think so.I will die for my country if need be. Just because it is the way it is does not mean we have to accept it. By doing that we are part of the reason why "it is the way it is". If we continue allowing cheap labor to be the driving force The America we grew up in will be no more and it won't be for the better. There are some things in life worth fighting for and I truly believe this is one of them. We are being invaded. What really gets me mad is NO illegal or their supporters will even admit they are illegal. They act like the word does not exist. WHY should every single American citizen be punished when THEY break a law yet illegal aliens should not? Politicians pick and choose the laws they wish to enforce and as long as we allow them to do it we are as guilty as they are. The only way to change it is to stand up as one nation. The way illegal aliens and our borders are handled is absolutely a joke. I understand this is the way it is but so did our founding fathers. I wonder where we would be if they had just accepted it "because it the way things are". Right is right and Wrong is wrong. Legal is legal and illegal is illegal. FIGHT FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.
It is just amazing how many stupid peopleare for illegal aliens. Either they are really morons and should not breed or they are illegals or their relatives. WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU GET? Are you really as stupid as you make out to be? I see some of you blubbering about this and about that, some idiots throw out the race card, I REALLY DON'T CARE! FACTS ARE: Illegal aliens are NOT migrants. Illegal aliens are NOT undocumented workers. Illegal aliens are NOT any type of race. THEY ARE CRIMINALS! Speaking of race You losers keep talking about how not all illegal aliens are mexicans. THAT IS TRUE. BUT in the same breath when someone talks about illegal aliens and YOU don't like it call them racist even if no race is mentioned. SO I DON'T CARE! I am going to do everything I can to get every single illegal alien deported or imprisoned. If YOU don't like it TOO BAD! Look up the definition of illegal you azzhat.
"Illegal aliens" are by definition both migrants and undocumented workers. Look it up in your Funk and Wagnalls.
And stop calling people stupid until you can write above a sixth grade level.
A little butthurt? Truth hurts doesn't it. Sorry idiot illegal alien is NOT a migrant you idiot, neither is an undocumented worker. YOU must have went to special ed because YOU are really stupid. If you love illegal aliens so much then let them live with you YOU pay for them.
If you love america, you should leave. Our gene pool will thank you. Set your old lady up with a Mexican first, for extra credit.
ONLY A COMPLETE FOOL IS FOR ILLEGAL ALIEN TRASH. Just like these two bimbos on here with big mouths. As long as stupid fools like them cry and whine Arizona will be in trouble. It just amazes me how stupid people like them can be. I would bet money that neither of them can provide ONE VALID REASON WHY America should reward illegal aliens with amnesty for coming here illegally and breaking our laws. They are themselves probably illegal alien baby factories. That is why they scream so loud. America, it is time to stop listening to all the clowns like them and just deport the illegal alien scum. I know you are stupid but try looking up the the definition of illegal you dumb azz.
YOU are such an illegal alien loving idiot that you must be brain dead. It is stupid morons like you that are ruining this country. WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE? YOU are obviously un-American and an idiot so go to a foreign country and leave us alone. Am,erica does not need idiots like YOU. Traitorous illegal alien loving POS is what YOU are.
Not at all butthurt; that would suggest I respect your opinion.
It's not a matter of truth hurting, it's a matter of ignorance irritating, and you are one ignorant fool. You have no reason to feel superior to someone who just waded the Rio Grande to get here. In most cases, they are better people than you. And some of them already have a better grasp of the English language than you have demonstrated.
"YOU must have went to special ed?" You must not have attended your English classes, or perhaps you dropped out of school. Or maybe you attended special ed and were just too "special" for it to do you any good.
WHY would anyone want to ask a mexican anything? THEY don't even understand the word illegal so how smart can they be? Look how mexico is. Do you REALLY want advice from someone from a sewer? Someone who can't even fight for their own country? NO, I don't think so. Maybe if all your illegal alien buddies go back to mexico and make it better then I will listen to you but other than that I doubt you have anything either true or intelligent to say. Maybe I will listen when you stop calling ILLEGAL ALIENS migrant and undocumented workers. WE BOTH know that is a lie the difference is you refuse to admit it. NO, I do want to ask a mexican anything except when are you leaving to go home?
whether illegals are a problem or not shouldn't even be a question the fact that they are illegal already puts them on the wrong side of the law. i do agree with legalizing drugs its not like i am going to buy speed, heroin or some crack just cause they made it legal. i would like to think the majority of Americans have enough intelligence and not go and buy something that is really bad for them just cause its legal.as far as los tigres del norte being like the beatles or rolling stones ..Are you on crack?
It is not right to hire an undocumented worker, but that same undocumented worker can go down to the state and get a corporation set up and go into there own business. The corporation commission & the register of contractors should have to make sure all applicants are citizens.If it is a crimr to hire undocumented workers, then it shoul be a crime for the state to let them bypass the law.I am tired of living in a state that if you get in a car accident, there is a good chance the other person will not have insurance. And the police will not give them a ticket,they say it as there heritage to not have insurance.Our schools now give free lunch out all summer long, you do not even need to be in schooland for one dollar an adult can eat there. We do not have any money for the schools but we can use that money to feed the cummunity.Our state goverment speends hundreds of thousands of our tax money on billboards to advertise that you can get food stamps we do not check citizenship, we do not report to ICE.We do not have enough poeple on assistance, the state has to advertise to get more?
"The corporation commission & the register of contractors should have to make sure all applicants are citizens."
Welcome to the great immigration debate, where the people who say "What part of illegal don't you understand" don't understand it themselves, and where the people who say "English only" can barely speak it themselves.
This may come as a surprise to you, but it is possible to be a legal non-citizen, and many are.
I'm surprised anyone asks this loser anything... "legalize drugs and people and your problem goes away" is probably one of the lamest answers i've ever heard. Column should be called ask a retard.
I like to think that I am pretty open minded and hip to the progressive though process, however, you are starting to lose it IMO.
"Your question assumes there's a need to secure borders, when really we just need to legalize drugs and people, and our "problem" vanishes; after that, we can concentrate on preventing actual threats from entering this country instead of perceived ones."
That is an interesting way to reduce all crimes. Think of all the money we could save and all the people that would not be incarcerated if we just eliminated the laws that make actions illegal. For example: prostitution, legalize it and there is no more prostitution problem; underaged drinking, legalize it and there no more underaged drinking problem; disorderly conduct, legalize it and we don't have to worry about it any more. Think of all the problems we could solve by just saying it is not a problem: tax evasion, assault, impaired driving, copy write infringement, etc. I would say that even you draw the line somewhere. Can you tell me why you get to draw the line and not someone else?
"That is an interesting way to reduce all crimes."
Not all crimes, but certainly victimless crimes. Ending the war on drugs would immediately cut the legs out from under cross-border drug traffickers, and would soon cut our prison population in half. Other countries have done so and have not had any sort of boom in addiction rates or crime rates. To the contrary, problems such as addiction, needle-transmitted disease, etc. tend to plummet when recreational drugs are decriminalized and addiction is treated as a medical issue rather than a crime.
The white guys aren't sending their money to another country or flying another country's flag and putting this one down. Besides what about the way Mexico treats immigrants at their southern border? I guess I could be considered Mexican - my great grandparents came from Mex and Spain. But I have one country - this is it. In the beginning people left their country for this one - and adopted a new one - without taking sides against the new one and promoting the one they left while here. Lock up the border and shoot dopers on sight!
You know I don't have time to argue with racist closed minded people like you!!!!! There many people from many different countries in the U.S. Are your ancestors originally from here? I understand perfect english and I understand what you are. Me I'm very PROUD to be mexican and noy like you at least I know how to treat humans like so and I'm not racist or hateful because God made us all the same!!!!!!!!!!! Have a nice day and may God bless you because obviously you need it!!!!!
It's your own fault because you morons tried to paint "illegal aliens" as arace. When you cry wolf people eventually get tired of it. Maybe if illegals stayed in their own country Americans would like you more. Maybe if illegals didn't expect everything for free Americans would like you more. Illegals are like roaches and need to be stamped out. YOU are in denial or a liar. Do YOU know the definition of illegal or are you just stupid?
And yet every time somebody calls you and people like you a bunch of inbred sandbilly methlab trailer trash YOU cry racism. Why is that? Is "inbred sandbilly methlab trailer trash" a race? Besides being a race to the shallow end of the gene pool?
LEGAL immigration is NOT the issue here. This country was founded and built by immigrants. THIS issue is about illegal aliens who are NOT immigrants but criminal invaders. WHY should every single American citizen be punished when THEY break the law but NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS? Please give one valid reason WHY America should reward them for breaking our laws and coming here illegally?
I lived in Mexico for almost eight years. They are hard workers, love God, and enjoy life, but with so little work, a corrupt government, little, personal liberty or rights, and living in a society where only the wealthy can improve their lives, let alone suffering from the affects of a "communistic" country, they are left with little recourse but to seek ways to survive. Long before we had border fences, we crossed without restrictions, and lived in harmony. Another thing... their culture is filled with stories of death, loss and separation, success', and triumphs of the United States. They dream of being able to feed their children, of not working 70 hours per week $80 per week. They talk about it, dream about it, die for it, and sing about it. We may be able to build the world's best fence, put Border Patrol agents at every corner, but we will never stop an idea. Ideas have lives of their own, take root and grow with each moment. The American Indians thought that they could stop us from coming here, and we subdued them, and won. We called it "Manifest Destiny". It was inevitable that we, in time's history, were destined to conquer the new world. I suggest the same. It is Manifest Destiny at work, once again. As far as using our public resources to support them, look again. They may be in front of Home Depot looking for work, but the white guys are on street corners, with signs, begging for money. Think about it. Peace to all.
Once again your putting your illegal immigrant approval into the story. I know there is no way to change a liberal rag like this. How I would secure the borders, simpler then you think and easier then politician makes it out to be. You recall our troops from foreign soil and staition them along our side of the border, then simply tell them "Don't allow any person under any circumstances to cross this border" You don't keep anything from them ie ammunition and you don't tie their hands with political BS, you let them do the job. Then you make illegal immigrants the highest priority of law enforcement. If found in this country illegally, it doesn't matter if you are working for the Pope, you are immediatly taken to one of the exits pushed accross and told never return. Then remove all incentitives to come here, employers found to be harboring illegals loose it all, including citizenship. They can remain but no longer have any rights afforded a citizen of this country. Then any agency/organization/business that promotes illegal immigration (that means you) gets shut down. See how easy that is.
Excellent post Delgast! I agree 100%. All this crap about legalize drugs and people. WE need to DEPORT each and every single illegal alien in this country. It seems that when you ask a mexican he does not know the meaning of the word "illegal--Let me spell it--I L L E G A L. ILLEGAL. To the writer: Look it up. It is in the dictionary. It is well past the time Americans just got tired of this garbage and say NO, GO HOME to your country and come here the legal way. Once we rid this country of illegal aliens and the economy picks up then MAYBE, we can update our i,,igration laws. It sjhould not take 10 years. BUT there should be NO AMNESTY OR BENEFITS to illegal aliens. Round them up and deport them all.
I'm so tired of ignorant people!!! I mean do any of you people stop to think about what your saying before you say it? The Mexican and Native Americans were in the United States before the pilgrims came to start claiming something that didn't belong to them in the first place!!! I wonder did they have passports or legal documentation before coming here? And mexicans are not the only people who come here illegally. Who bombed the Twin Towers, oh i forgot the U.S government let them come over so they could take pilot lessons to do what they did. My father is from Mexico and I have to go see him because it's easier for me to go over there. The process for a visa is very long and costly, so I see my father and sisters once or twice a year. They would like to come over here with me but even if they could I wouldn't want them to because this country is so full of hatred that it's pathetic. And in case you didn't know if you are not a citizen you can't get government benefits for yourself or anyone who isn't a citizen.And furthermore if the social security number isn't valid or an ITIN is used they can't have EIC so everyone griping about the dependants they claim needs to investigate a little more. I'm from the U.S and to tell you the truth it shames me sometimes.
YOU really are an idiot. It's people like YOU that ARE the problem. What part of illegal DON'T you understand? What a MORON!
I know EXACTLY what I am saying. ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS SHOULD BE DEPORTED! Can YOU understand me? What part of illegal do you not understand?