He first learned about the option while interning with an architecture firm in Austin. He learned about business structures there, then took a course in business and legal issues to find out more about the process for starting a company.

Edilsa Lopez, also from the University of Texas, too, is working on getting an LLC for her business, as well. Lopez was kidnapped at 12 and came to the United States from Guatemala as a victim of human trafficking, according to testimony she presented before a Texas legislative committee on tuition reform and an interview with New Times.

She runs a photography business with her partner, a U.S. citizen. They met at UT as members of the Small Business Organization and decided to join forces and offer photography and graphic-design services.

Lilly Romo teaches Latinos, undocumented or not, how to speak English.
Jamie Peachey
Lilly Romo teaches Latinos, undocumented or not, how to speak English.
Celso Mireles opened his computer-repair business after working in alfalfa fields in Colorado.
Jamie Peachey
Celso Mireles opened his computer-repair business after working in alfalfa fields in Colorado.

"Since I'm undocumented, I can't work, so that's why I started my business," she says.

Other undocumented students go through different legal loopholes.

Dulce Matuz is a licensed real estate agent in Arizona. She graduated from ASU in 2009 with an engineering degree. She has been in the United States since she was a young teenager, when her mother brought her here on visas they subsequently overstayed.

While attending college, she heard that she could become a real estate agent without a Social Security number. At first, the licensing test administrators wouldn't give her the exam without an SSN, but after three months of nagging, they allowed her to take it with a random number and she passed.

She has sold more than 50 homes.

Real estate agents are required to take 24 credit hours in real estate law every two years to keep their licenses, usually over the Internet. Matuz complies with the requirement. In 2007, the state Department of Real Estate began asking for proof of legal status from agents renewing their licenses. They asked everyone to send in proof of residency, but not everyone did.

"Those [who] didn't, well, we'll catch them when they renew," Mary Utley, the Department of Real Estate's assistant commissioner, says the organization figured.

So when her license is up for renewal later this year, Matuz knows she will lose it.

To prepare for life after real estate, Matuz attended a national conference for undocumented students last March in Memphis, where a couple of activists held an entrepreneurship seminar.

More than 200 such students attended the conference that revolved around the DREAM Act, a bill before Congress that would allow undocumented young people meeting certain requirements to become legal residents.

Applicants for residency under the legislation must be 30 or younger, with no criminal background, who can prove they plan to enlist in the military or have graduated from at least a two-year college, and who have been in the United States for at least five years.

It's meant to keep talented young immigrants in the country.

The bill passed the U.S. House of Representatives last fall and received 55 votes in the Senate but failed to overcome a December Republican filibuster. It was first introduced in 2001 but has failed in every Congress since.

United We Dream is an umbrella organization for undocumented students advocating passage of the DREAM Act. It is waging a campaign to persuade Barack Obama to halt deportation proceedings for undocumented youth who would be eligible for the DREAM Act if it were to pass.

Twenty-two U.S. Senators have signed a letter to Obama to that effect.

"We realize the DREAM Act has been [pushed] for 10 years," says Carlos Rojas, a former Dreamer who has obtained legal status but continues to fight for the cause. The legislation has been pending for so long that many of the students it originally was supposed to benefit have "aged out," he says

Rojas says he is committed to helping them and other young immigrants start businesses in America.

Rojas, an agent with New York Life Insurance, co-hosted the seminar on undocumented entrepreneurship at the United We Dream Congress with his partner, a south Floridian named Jose Diaz, who owns a karaoke and video-game-rental company.

In advance of the conference, Rojas and Diaz circulated a survey for people interested in starting businesses. It asked what state they were in and what sort of businesses they're considering.

Rojas and Diaz went over the basics of business creation for the youth explaining, in Diaz's words, how they can "control their own destiny."

Diaz has since gone a step further, setting up a Facebook page and company called DREAM Consulting, where prospective businesspeople can go for advice.

Although they have been individually successful, the two decline to discuss the students they have helped, as they are afraid government authorities will make examples of them by removing them from the country.

Creating a business is "allowed by the law," whether a person is undocumented, or not, Rojas says. "We all know this country benefits from businesses starting up."

Dulce Matuz, the real estate agent who's also president of the Arizona DREAM Act Coalition, wants to counter the public perception of undocumented people as criminal welfare recipients who are stealing American jobs.

"I haven't asked government for anything, and I [haven't needed] to ask for anything," she says. "That's the American dream."

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Bobby
Bobby

And I guess this is impossible to do in Mexico. They don't belong here their parents screwed up. Period. Oh, and the left should be prosecuted for enabling illegal immigration.

S0c7
S0c7

Illegals have been doing that for a long time to stay below the official radar. Every lawn service truck you see is full of illegals. Why do you think every convenience store and roadside motel is owned by indian scabsCompanies are hiring illegals on 1099 and corp to corp to avoid the I-9 process!

S0c7
S0c7

Illegals have been doing that for a long time to stay below the official radar. Every lawn service truck you see is full of illegals. Why do you think every convenience store and roadside motel is owned by indian scabsCompanies are hiring illegals on 1099 and corp to corp to avoid the I-9 process!

s0c7
s0c7

Illegals have been doing that for a long time to stay below the official radar. Every lawn service truck you see is full of illegals. Why do you think every convenience store and roadside motel is owned by indian scabs

Una Dagger
Una Dagger

Uh... so basically, Illegals are being forced to give up their jobs as Alfalfa pickers to become teachers and computer technicians? And this is supposed to be a BAD thing?

None
None

i did it - legaly.. and no sympathy to those who want to short cut..

Ynlio
Ynlio

Shut the fk up everybody.we are not going to anywhere. :D

Amendoza46
Amendoza46

How can an illegal alien apply for a business permit? Is that even legal???

NeoRocket
NeoRocket

"Undocumented" right. The fact is, most Americans are too smart to buy that. We all know "undocumented" = illegal. But go ahead New Times. You really disappoint now. New Times used to be about real journalism and facts and most of all... Truth. Now you hit us with Orwellian 1984 doublespeak? You really really disappoint New times.

Dez
Dez

I am an idependent, liberal conservative; which means I think for myself. Do I like the influx of illegals? No. Would I send these particular young people back? NO. Why would I want to send bright, hard-working, educated and focused people to a country they have no knowledge of? They've been living here all their lives! They didn't come here illegally, their parents did. This country is all they know. Why would you want to punish them? I can think of dozens of lazy, "I'm entitled", uneducated welfare-sucking American citizens I'd love to trade for more like these. Something does need to be done about our illegal problem, but mass ship-them-back mentality is NOT the answer.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
WAKE UP AMERICA!

Yes, Romo's a real HERO all right. She should be prosecuted for harboring fugitives from justice. This one will backfire on the New Times, when they begin getting arrested going to "school." If Phoenix PD is called reporting suspected illegal aliens' presence - they should be required to respond.

carpenter
carpenter

I have a great idea for a startup company for a mexican citizen. Teach your fellow citizens how to enter the US legally,and throw in some english lessons. Here's the catch,do it in Mexico.

Bobby
Bobby

"I am tired but I am here delcares an old man wearing a baseball cap over his eyes, the article says."

"We will do what we want in this nation, we don't care what laws Americans write or that exist, we are above the law. The law doens't apply to us. We "work" so we have a "right" to be here. "It was our land anyway" etc.etc.

Funny I imagine a lot of Americans saying the same thing as the old man quoted above, "I am tired but I'm here anyway."i

Bobby
Bobby

Is there some kind of event happening? Is there some kind of national awakening. Most of the people posting here actually understand what's happening with illegal immigration? Maybe there is hope for this nation.

Tom
Tom

How long are you going to post this same article. It is getting old now. Also they are not undocumented they are illegals.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
WAKE UP AMERICA!

I've been blogging about this for years, with the same results. Nothing. The solution is twofold and simple: FINE the pants off of employers on FIRST offenses, which will fund the cost of part 2; JAIL 3-12 months FIRST offenders for being here illegally. You can tell what side of this issue anyone is on by their terminology: "Undocumented," v. "Illegal." Lipstick on a pig is still a pig, and illegal labor is only good for the already-rich - take away their incentive to take the risk, and we take away the incentive to patrol the border for anyone but drug-smugglers.

Lau2604
Lau2604

Propaganda word "undocumented" = ILLEGAL and stupid "news" like this are not going to change this.

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

Who cares about all the poor illegal immigrants that are suffering, what about the millions of American citizens who are out of work and having to do whatever they can to make ends meet? For once I would like to see this paper run an article on how tough it is to be a poor American citizen in this country, especially for those who would normally work in job-fields that have been taken over by illegal workers (landscaping, construction, food service, janitorial, labor, ect). Of course that article will never happen because the New Times cares a whole lot more about spanish-speaking mexican citizens than it does about Americans.

Mistalee
Mistalee

What part of illegal did Jews in Nazi Germany not understand?

carpenter
carpenter

Why is the tone of this article so compasionate towards people breaking the law. Check out other countries laws reguarding immigration(esp.mexico). The only reason why they are allowed to stay is greed. It is not enough for the rich people to be better off,they want it all. Having abundant cheap labor insures bigger profits.Do not BS me with "they do the work americans dont want". I have worked in construction my entire life and have witnessed the takeover first hand. The wages have stagnated and the cost of everything has gone through the roof. Greed will be the end of us...

sgosher
sgosher

Illegal Immigration Laws

Most Americans know our basic laws regarding illegal immigration. It is illegal to enter the United States without permission. The first time an illegal immigrant is caught in the US it is a misdemeanor civil offense. This is because we want to be able to quickly return illegal aliens to Mexico or Canada, when they are caught at the border without the rigors of a jury trial.

After the first offense, being caught a second time is a felony!

It is also against the law to overstay a visa issued by the US Government and illegal for an employer to knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

It is Illegal To Bring Illegal Aliens Into US under current LawsIt is unlawful for any person to bring aliens into the United States. Fine: $3,000 for each alien (Sec. 273. [8 U.S.C. 1323])

It is Illegal To Harbor Illegal Immigrants. It is unlawful to bring in or harbor illegal aliens. Fine: $3,000 for each alien. (Sec. 273. [8 U.S.C. 1323] )

It is Illegal To Employ, Recruit, or Refer Illegal Aliens for Jobs. It is unlawful for a person or other entity- to employ or recruit or refer for a fee an illegal alien in the United States. Commercial advantage or private financial gain offender can be fined under title 18, US code, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both. ...Any person who, during any 12-month period, knowingly hires for employment at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that the individuals are aliens described in sub paragraph (B) shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both. (Sec. 274A. [8 U.S.C. 1324a] )

It is Illegal To Forge Documents for Illegal Immigrants or violate Identity Theft Laws. It is unlawful for any person or entity knowingly- to forge documents. Legal documents must be presented when entering the US.( Sec. 274C. [8 U.S.C. 1324c] )...Fine: not less than $250 and not more than $2,000 for each document that is the subject of a violation....Previous violation: not less than $2,000 and not more than $5,000 for each document that is the subject of a violation.

US Laws Declare it is Illegal To Aid or Abet Illegal Immigrants. It is unlawful for anyone to aid or assist aliens to enter the United States. Penalty: fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. ( Sec. 277. [8 U.S.C. 1327] )

LEGAL Immigrants Must Know English, US History, US Laws, and Principles. No person shall be naturalized as a citizen of the United States who cannot demonstrate: ... An understanding of the English language, including the ability to read, write and and speak words in ordinary usage in the English language.... A knowledge and understanding of history, and of the principles and form of government, of the United States. ( Sec. 312. [8 U.S.C. 1423] )

Legal Immigrants Must Display Moral Character and No Crime Record. Requirements as to residence, good moral character, attachment to the principles of the constitution, and favorable disposition to the Untied States. ( Sec. 316. [8 U.S.C. 1427] )

Legal Immigrants Must Be Investigated and Screened for past crimes and terrorism links. Prior to a person becoming naturalized, or an employee of the service, a personal investigation is required of the individual applying.( Sec. 335. [8 U.S.C. 1446] )

It is Illegal For Illegal Aliens to Bypass Medical and Physical Exams for illnesses and infectious diseases. Physical and Mental Examinations are required.Aliens arriving at ports of the United States will be detained for the purpose of determining whether they are afflicted with any of the diseases or mental or physical defects or disabilities set forth in section 212(a), or whenever the Attorney General has received information showing that any aliens are coming from a country or have embarked at a place where any of such diseases are prevalent or epidemic.( Sec. 232 [8 U.S.C. 1252] )

Illegal Aliens Deported are ineligible for readmission to US Under Current Laws. Distressed Aliens:Any alien who falls into distress or who needs public aid from causes arising prior to his/her entry is desirous of being so removed. Any alien so removed shall be ineligible to apply for or receive a visa or other documentation for readmission, or to apply for admission to the United States except with the prior approval of the Attorney General.( Sec. 250. [8 U.S.C. 1260] )

It is Illegal for Illegal Immigrants to possess a firearm or ammunition. It is unlawful for an alien illegally in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a non immigrant visa to legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition. ( [18 U.S.C. 922(g) and (n), 27 CFR 478.32] )

RimCountry . Com
RimCountry . Com

SB-1070, repeatedly referred to as "anti-immigration" legislation, is no such thing. The only thing it's against is ILLEGAL immigration. The author of this article should attend Romo's class.

Pomidest
Pomidest

This sucks to high heaven! The stinking Feds should run the lot of them back to Mexico. What a pi.. poor way to handle illegals. Fire the Feds! How do you do that?

Feisty
Feisty

All of them undocumented and right under Arpaio's nose....literally! wth?! What, they're working and I can't get a job?! WTH?!"'I want to talk to people at the club.' Mostly, young guys say that." WTF?! So they can breed?!

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sgosher
sgosher

Illegal Immigration Laws

Most Americans know our basic laws regarding illegal immigration. It is illegal to enter the United States without permission. The first time an illegal immigrant is caught in the US it is a misdemeanor civil offense. This is because we want to be able to quickly return illegal aliens to Mexico or Canada, when they are caught at the border without the rigors of a jury trial.

After the first offense, being caught a second time is a felony!

It is also against the law to overstay a visa issued by the US Government and illegal for an employer to knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

It is Illegal To Bring Illegal Aliens Into US under current LawsIt is unlawful for any person to bring aliens into the United States. Fine: $3,000 for each alien (Sec. 273. [8 U.S.C. 1323])

It is Illegal To Harbor Illegal Immigrants. It is unlawful to bring in or harbor illegal aliens. Fine: $3,000 for each alien. (Sec. 273. [8 U.S.C. 1323] )

It is Illegal To Employ, Recruit, or Refer Illegal Aliens for Jobs. It is unlawful for a person or other entity- to employ or recruit or refer for a fee an illegal alien in the United States. Commercial advantage or private financial gain offender can be fined under title 18, US code, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both. ...Any person who, during any 12-month period, knowingly hires for employment at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that the individuals are aliens described in sub paragraph (B) shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both. (Sec. 274A. [8 U.S.C. 1324a] )

It is Illegal To Forge Documents for Illegal Immigrants or violate Identity Theft Laws. It is unlawful for any person or entity knowingly- to forge documents. Legal documents must be presented when entering the US.( Sec. 274C. [8 U.S.C. 1324c] )...Fine: not less than $250 and not more than $2,000 for each document that is the subject of a violation....Previous violation: not less than $2,000 and not more than $5,000 for each document that is the subject of a violation.

US Laws Declare it is Illegal To Aid or Abet Illegal Immigrants. It is unlawful for anyone to aid or assist aliens to enter the United States. Penalty: fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. ( Sec. 277. [8 U.S.C. 1327] )

LEGAL Immigrants Must Know English, US History, US Laws, and Principles. No person shall be naturalized as a citizen of the United States who cannot demonstrate: ... An understanding of the English language, including the ability to read, write and and speak words in ordinary usage in the English language.... A knowledge and understanding of history, and of the principles and form of government, of the United States. ( Sec. 312. [8 U.S.C. 1423] )

Legal Immigrants Must Display Moral Character and No Crime Record. Requirements as to residence, good moral character, attachment to the principles of the constitution, and favorable disposition to the Untied States. ( Sec. 316. [8 U.S.C. 1427] )

Legal Immigrants Must Be Investigated and Screened for past crimes and terrorism links. Prior to a person becoming naturalized, or an employee of the service, a personal investigation is required of the individual applying.( Sec. 335. [8 U.S.C. 1446] )

It is Illegal For Illegal Aliens to Bypass Medical and Physical Exams for illnesses and infectious diseases. Physical and Mental Examinations are required.Aliens arriving at ports of the United States will be detained for the purpose of determining whether they are afflicted with any of the diseases or mental or physical defects or disabilities set forth in section 212(a), or whenever the Attorney General has received information showing that any aliens are coming from a country or have embarked at a place where any of such diseases are prevalent or epidemic.( Sec. 232 [8 U.S.C. 1252] )

Illegal Aliens Deported are ineligible for readmission to US Under Current Laws. Distressed Aliens:Any alien who falls into distress or who needs public aid from causes arising prior to his/her entry is desirous of being so removed. Any alien so removed shall be ineligible to apply for or receive a visa or other documentation for readmission, or to apply for admission to the United States except with the prior approval of the Attorney General.( Sec. 250. [8 U.S.C. 1260] )

It is Illegal for Illegal Immigrants to possess a firearm or ammunition. It is unlawful for an alien illegally in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a non immigrant visa to legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition. ( [18 U.S.C. 922(g) and (n), 27 CFR 478.32] )

Jose
Jose

Is it her fault for being brought here illegally by her parents? Bigger question is. Is it American faults that her parents brought her here illegally?

FOXY707
FOXY707

HELL YES WHEN YOU COME OVER THE LINE ILLEGALLY YOU ARE A CRIMINAL ..I SEE BY YOUR NAME THAT YOU ARE LATIN POSSIBLY AN ILLEGAL YOU WANT TO TAKE WHAT THIS COUNTRY HAS TO OFFER BUT DO NOT WISH TO CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING BACK TO BECOME A TEACHER ...DOCTOR NURSE YOU MUST HAVE SOME KIND OF CHARACTER I SEE NONE GIVE SOMETHING BACK INSEAD OF AMERICANS PAYING FOR YOUR HEALTH CARE FOOD AND SCHOOLING MEANS WE GO WITHOUT JOBS ... HEALTH CARE AND THE BENEFITS YOU GET I CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR OUR FAMILY WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR YOURS? GIVE SOMETHING BACK STOP LEECHING FROM US

NeoRocket
NeoRocket

None. Your ignorance of history is practically breathtaking. The German Jews in Germany WERE native Deutschlanders. They WERE native. That has absolutely nothing to do with the present situation of invasion by a foreign mob that thinks proximity and want equals entitlement. Because Mexican are in close proximity to the USA and want to come to USA that doesn't give them a right to invade. If they all put as much energy into fixing their homeland Mexico it would probably be a prosperous first world nation and a modern force in every way to be reckoned with. But your contempt of Mexico and racism against Mexico is obvious. You obviously come from a stance where you think Mexico has absolutely nothing to offer it's citizens and you obviously think that Mexicans lack the will, the intelligence and the tenacity to fix their country. You say that with every argument you pose. Your contempt of Mexico is obvious. To claim any kind of empathy for Mexicans that hail from this country you obviously despise is very disingenuous and hypocritical.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
WAKE UP AMERICA!

Well-said, mp. C'mon lady - what planet do you live on? Lemme guess - you have a relative here that shouldn't be? The illegal Mexican population here is NOT the scapegoat for ALL of America's woes, and being consequently MURDERED. As a matter a FACT, when I last checked FOUR of the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" were - take a wild guess who? That's right - "undocumented" "immigrants" with Hispanic names. If you'll break the basic law of the land, why obey any others? I'm not unsympathetic to their plight, and if I were watching my kids go hungry 90 miles south of the "Promised Land," I'd want to get here too. But these people CHEAT, instead of going through a relatively easy LEGAL process to get here - then they don't even bother to learn the language of the land, and MY tax money is constantly spent printing GOVERNMENT documents in SPANISH, so they can get their Food Stamps. So this "school" teaches them how to rip us off even more effectively and efficiently. Buy a vowel New Times! Jumping Arpiao for mistreating people is one thing, but defending lying, thieving, murdering, drug-dealing scofflaws is entirely another

Bobby
Bobby

Ignore her folks, she's a Mexican nationalist or far leftist or both that has no use for the U.S.

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

That you would dare to compare the minor civil penalties levied against illegal immigrants for knowingly breaking the law to the unlawful murder of 6 million people over religious differences shows just how far out of touch with reality your ideology really is. Seriously, getting deported because you broke the law and took a job with a stolen SSN isn't really the same thing as being gassed to death because you were born to the wrong religion now is it? Making a comparison like this only cheapens the tragedy that the victims of WWII went throw, but of course nothing is sacred to open-borders lunatics like yourself.

Mr Mr
Mr Mr

It's a breathing-while-brown law, and if you don't know that, you're a fucking buffoon.

Pomidest
Pomidest

Well, the above LAWS are NOT being administered in the input of illegal aliens, Mexicans ingeneral! Therefore it must be legal for our people to aprehend these finks and send themback. The local law should be doing just that. The Feds are NOT doing their job on illegals!Also, it seems that factions here in the states are failing in their duties also. We are headedfor destruction if this is not stopped soon. It is pitiful!

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

Funny, that is the same thing the Romans said right before they were conquered by hordes of barbarians.

doc
doc

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maxonepercent
maxonepercent

So are you saying it is America's fault that her parents broke the law to bring her here? You're right, it is America's fault for giving her parents welfare, medical care and a free education for their children; it is America's fault for letting corrupt businesses hire her parents for less than minimum wage; it is America's fault for not enforcing the law in the first place. Well, all of that is about to change Jose, just you wait and see

Mistalee
Mistalee

Of course the "German Jews" were native to Germany. Hence the title, "German Jews."

Many Polish Jews emigrated to Germany also, and one of the things the Nazis did early on was ban immigration of Jews from Poland.

None of which has much to do with the fact that criminalization of ethnicity is what it is, regardless of whether Arizona neo-nazis or German paleo-nazis are the ones promoting it.

So your first argument is as lame as your second, which is your theory that apparently it is disrespectful to Mexico NOT to hate and witch-hunt Mexicans.

Mistalee
Mistalee

Spare me your crocodile tears over the holocaust.

Extermination camps are how it ENDED for many Jews in Germany and eastern Europe.

THIS is how it began. Detention at checkpoints, soldiers examining their "papers," then more and more meaningless and oppressive regulations aimed at criminalization of ethnicity. Expulsions and deportations.

Which is exactly what is going on in Arizona with 1070 and so many of Pearce's insane bills.

And with you. Seeking to scapegoat Mexican immigrants for all of America's woes as you would like to do is the same deranged, racist thought process that eventually got Jews stuffed into ovens.

So yes, 1070-like activity is exactly how it started for Jews in Nazi Germany, and we all know how it ended.

Really, how fucking obtuse can you be? When you see Arizona nativists standing side by side with Nazis like JT Ready, how can you not recognize that they are kindred spirits with similar agendas?

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

Prove it. The law specifically prohibits profiling and close to half of illegal immigrants in this country are not from Mexico but are other immigrants who have overstayed their visas. It seems to me that those people are just as much at risk of being caught by SB-1070 as any mexican illegal immigrant is. Secondly, what is it with your kind and the need to engage in profane personal insults against people who express different opinions? Are you just too dumb to come-up with a rational response so you angrily lash out, or is it that you know deep down that you are wrong and it makes you mad? A little of both maybe?

mex-american
mex-american

im mexican my mom was born here and dad was from mexico illegally. so that means i would of been born here either way, eventually. you and your family came here univited a long time ago ILLEGALLY. this is Gods land not yours to pass judgement. you also brang africans here ILLEGALLy. How is that fair???? so your family roots should have not broke the law. God doesnt like when you judge so go to church or read the bible!

Mistalee
Mistalee

We're saying your dad should be fined for not wearing a condom.

As it is,the best part of you dripped down his leg.

Talvo
Talvo

How do you know whether her parents received any welfare or government provided medical care? And as for a "free" education, education is paid for mostly through property taxes. Everyone pays property taxes in one way or another, even illegal immigrants. How do you know her parents were paid less than the minimum wage either?

Bobby
Bobby

"Spare me your crocodile tears over the holocaust".

Well, that just about says it all. Case closed.

Maxonepercent
Maxonepercent

First of all, who the hell is JT Ready? I have never even heard the name before. Even if he a nazi, so what? Lunatics are fond of attaching themselves to popular movements in the hope of gaining some kind of legitimacy, it happens on both sides of the political spectrum. The fact that he is a total unknown tells me that he is nothing more than a straw-man set up by the open borders crowd in a feeble attempt to extend guilt by association.

Now, while were are on the subject, let's talk a little bit about "guilt by association" as it pertains to the pro-amnesty crowd. Who benefits the most from illegal immigration? The coyotes and their cartels are the ones who benefit the most if you really think about it, a huge percentage of their income comes directly through trade in illegal immigrants. These are the same people who routinely kidnap, brutalize, rape and murder the illegals mind you, they do this in addition to charging thousands of dollars. Now what side do you think this group is taking in the immigration debate? Easy, they want amnesty, or failing that at least a continued absence of enforcement Why? Because their business is dependent upon encouraging more Mexicans and Central Americans to immigrate to the US. If would-be illegals think that they are going to be granted amnesty somewhere down the line or that they at least are not going to have to worry about being caught once they are here, on the other hand if they think that they are going to have trouble in the US and that their is little hope of them getting citizenship than they are less willing to take the trip, Obviously, the latter mindset is not desirable for the cartels, so they want amnesty. Ergo, those who want amnesty are actually in league with the cartels that are murdering, robbing, raping and exploiting "la raza" worse than even the biggest maquilladora ever did. How is that for "guilt by association"?

Back to the holocaust. The jews were not immigrants, they had been living in Germany for at least 500 years if not a millenium or longer, so right there that negates that aspect of your comparison. Secondly, the jews did not willingly break any laws, the laws were changed to make their presence illegal. Illegal immigrants on the other hand willingly and knowingly break a long list of pre-existing laws when: (1) they enter the country without authorization, (2) they take work in the US without authorization, (3) they utilize public assistance, medical facilities and the school system (4) they use stolen or fake identification, and so on and so forth. There is a huge and readily apparent difference between the two groups: the illegal immigrants have a choice to come here. If they don't want to be harassed by law enforcement for breaking the law in the US then they should have just stayed at home. It is really that simple.

Bobby
Bobby

The land you now live on was developed by European-Americans, by backbreaking hard work in the midwest, that supplied the nation with food, by European Americans that worked like oxen, in the factories of the industrial revolution, with no health care, and no vacations. I am passing judgement on you clowns. You come here,without premission and exploit what others built--Idiota.

Disgustedw/PhxNewTimes
Disgustedw/PhxNewTimes

You don't see a problem with your post? You say you were born in America, as was your mom but you refer to yourself as a mex-American? NO SUCH THING. You're an AMERICAN or you're NOT. And you're obviously NOT.

doc
doc

the fact that you're a mexican shows in your post. you're a moron. get a life and stop talking about something that happened 500 years ago. the guy you replied to probably had his family come not too long ago and LEGALLY. as far as your grammar and spelling you should maybe attend this broad's classes.

Bobby
Bobby

The rage. the rage........

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

Ah, you again, the weak-minded "master debater" whose only rhetorical skill is to fall back on hackneyed insults from 1990's cop dramas. Let me tell you, the amnesty crowd is very lucky to have such a brilliant advocate arguing on their behalf (snicker).

sgosher
sgosher

No s*** talvo. Think about it. Why do they come here in the first place? Free schooling, hospitals cannot deny them treatment, illegal SSN gets you all the help you need. Your comment holds no water, or should I say, el youro commento el holdso no el aguao. El f****** comprende?

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

How do I know these things? Why else would they come here? First of all, no employer would be hiring them if they weren't working for less than they would have to pay a legal worker, so right there you know they are making less than an American would be. Secondly, why would they bother going through all of the trouble to come here if there is no pay off? I mean, if they were in Mexico with no welfare and no public education why spend thousands and become a criminal to sneak into our country only to continue being poor with no welfare and no free public education? It doesn't make any sense. Furthermore, the couple of dollars a month that an illegal renter may pay into property taxes does not even begin to offset the enormous cost of educating that illegal's children for years on end, it is common sense. Also, when you consider that they are probably getting paid food stamps and welfare on top of it and gain the state makes from "property taxes" evaporates pretty quickly.

 
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