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Kratom truth 05/04/2012 1:15:00 PM
I've had a long and horrible road with drug addiction from being messed up on amphetamines to serverly dependant on many opiates including methadone which I'm currently on my 5 day since my last dose. I've always been managed to quit most drugs without toooo much problems, I'd take two weeks off work, lock myself away and really suffer.
Well I got sick off this circle it wasn't fun anymore and became very expensive so I stopped my drug use for 2 years with rare use off amphetamines. 2 years past and my kidney failed, it was agonising and I found I had easy access to morphine, since being addicted to morphine and fining this addiction much harder than say simple codeine I though I'd look for a herbal solution... I found one, kratom.
I did all the research over for at least 3 weeks read its only slightly additive and you would need to use it daily for months I basically believed all this....I wish i knew what I know now!
It started with premium leaf and I found that did nothing so I give up for a month, the pain got worse so I tried Kraton 50x Bali, it knocked me on my arse completely I found not only did it red me off pain I felt very productive and worked well during my kidney failure if any body has had kidney problems they'll tell you it's one of the worst pains, I was amazed I could work well if not better on kratom.
Well I was gloating how this "mirical herb" has saved me ect ect until the 2nd week when I felt the withdrawal, I was scared, how was I going through opiate withdrawal again now 2 after it being absent in my system I said no to the morphine!
It turns out it was the Kratom withdrawal I was feeling so I thought "oh it is addictive then, but it can't be that bad its legal after all" god was I so wrong that night was on of the worse nights off my life the pain so intense it almost masked my kidney agony, I got through to the next day each hour getting worse and worse until I had to go in work, I didn't go work though I went to the headshop and got myself a months supply, this set me back over £500 but they did do a bulk buy offer, from then on they called me "kratom guy" this went on month after month each time buying more and more till it was close to £1000 even after my kidney had been operated on and the problem was solved. I had walked off morphine this scary substance but this bloody legal plant had me completely on my knees, I got paranoid, was something mixed? Thrus why I'm here now or was it just Kratom, well after trying leaf the withdrawals was easier but still noticeable I truly believe it was highly concentrated kratom I was addicted to.
My partner saw and knew what was going on she was just as amazed as me but this stuff left me skint and having to borrow money from her, I earn quite a bit more and still needed her money(all paid back now with interest ;) I thought to myself after all my issues I've never ever been desperate enough to ask for money specially from somebody I love and feel that I should be providing for, it broke my heart.
9 months off this hell was enough! I decided I was gonna book two weeks off work and jump off this stuff it was a long time till I let myself withdraw badly, I had tapered from 9 grams of this 50x substance to 2g which in retrospect wasn't near enough but having to work a complicated job 45 hours I couldn't afford mild withdrawals which would happen in the continuous taper. Well I made it to 18 hours off no kratom, I started to see things that wasn't there, the pain was something I can't describe now or then for that matter, I was screaming and decided I had to kill myself I was so confused and really not thinking straight, here's a man with his dream job, dream girl living in decent area with lots off things going for him, although at the time I thought my world was ending. I used again being certain I couldn't cope like that any longer and certainly I could get help?
I never give my quest up to quit i scrawled drug forums avoiding kratom ones as they were so pro Kratom to them it's impossible to get addictive was hard to hear when you read scientific papers conducted on kratom addiction showing the completely opposite. Think about it if this drug makes ppl very productive which for me it did then why is it banned In a country that needs high production? It's because off the intense ill effects most Thai users exp. I found other ppl like me including one poor sole who had got to the point off selling his personal possessions until nothing was left, he too also walked off a morphine habit and didn't want to be laughed out the door going to the docs, I still wonder if he ever got help.
I put off seeking help for this substance because I knew the doctor wouldn't know it how ever he knew my old addictions and my ability to cold turkey from opiates, I explained that this stuff has me hooked and it's legal and I'm more shocked than him, he was abit skeptical I reassured him I wanted no opiates from him I just wanted off the kratom, I felt he slowly came around to the idea, I went in withdrawing and my pupils where huge,shaking,sweating,confused and I think a tad desperate. I didn't know honestly what to expect I was just hoping I wouldn't be laughed out the door like I would be by some Kratom users or people who are as naive as I was about kratom. He phoned the drug clinic after I left (empty handed my I add) and I had an appointment very quickly, I guess he sensed my desperation.
I arrive at the drug clinic, I'm already expecting the awkward questions the bewilderment on their faces. While waiting in the waitingroom I heard a heroin addict make a remark "bloody hell mate are you okay, I thought I was bad!". In my normal appearance I don't look the typical junkie, Infact many ppl normally comment how well I look (when not using off course) I had been a functioning addict for years nobody having the slightest of clues not even my partner before the kratom knew, even while living at home taking a huge amount off morphine it did not show, but this legal plant you can purchase on the Internet if you like, had me looking soo ill, I looked broken.
I saw the doctor at the clinic, never heard off the substance and he was a substance abuse expert, he was forgivingly flummoxed as still was I.
I agree to a detox thinking to myself, out off all the substances I've abused I end up in this place for a legal plant! I lasted 18 hours they tried to medicate the symptoms but it wasn't working, the drugs they give to herion addicts did nothing to me after the 18 hour mark, maybe because kratom isn't an opiate? I felt awful but I got a very long taxi back home where I knew I had a tiny amount left... Before I went I remember another addict with their eyes wide just amazed at what was going on with my body, the limb jerking was so violent and constant it must off been a sight to see.
I tried to withdraw agian a week later, this time was the last, this was just not possible at all I didn't wanna work 45 hours slugging my guts out having intense withdrawal at night and in the morning only to be taking money off my poor girlfriend, I decided I was getting help that day or I was seriously going to jump In front of a train.
Once again I arrive at the clinic the doctor can now see this is serious I'm gonna either hurt myself badly or worse, because the withdrawal was showing intense heroin type symptoms I was very reluctantly by the doctor prescribed methadone, now some would argue how crazy does that sound, well I honestly know that saved my life!
There is no buzz at all for me on methadone I don't see abuse potential for me which was important but I do understand its very possible for others (we all have different body chemistry)
I stayed on a Low methadone dose 25ml for 3 months to stabilise and decided to taper slowly I got to 15ML after 4 weeks and found it a struggle, it wasn't anything close to kratom withdrawal, just uncomfortable in the morning in work. I knew I had the option off going into a detox clinic this time they knew what they would be dealing with.
I request this from my doctor who agrees and I do a rapid detox for 2 weeks, booked the rare time off work which I still feel guilty about and head off for my rapid detox. I was reduced one ml the first day as they like even numbers... And each day down by 2ml I was scared but then overwhelmed by how easy it was! I was very quickly down to 4ml when I started some withdrawal, finding the group work at the detox harder than the withdrawal I discharged myself after just 7 days, on reflection maybe I should have give the group work more thought, regardless I arrived at my girlfriends on Sunday night it's now Friday and I'm STILL withdrawing but methadone takes a while, as bad as this is, it's still nothing compared to kratom withdrawal in terms off physical and mental symptoms, methadone for me is still a nightmare to get off but something I know I can do.
The purpose of this long and I'm sure verbose message is not to get this drug banned, I still believe its the ppl and not the drugs the problem, plenty off ppl take drugs have an amazing time and then stop, but that's not really who kratom Is aimed at, it's aimed at additive personalities, ppl who are hooked on pain killers or "worse" I myself wasn't looking for a buzz I just wanted no addiction to morphine And pain relief and got much much worse.
I guess the purpose is to educate people that you might not get addicted or you may get so addicted you'd consider killing yourself, there are conclusive studies on kratom addiction and it's very real. One Thai worker had to be sectioned the withdrawals pushed him so far. So for every seller who swears this substance is not addictive there are more addicts too bloody ashamed to come out the wood work and admit it.
I'd love more conclusive evidence and for it to be made public but still, I don't wish for a ban just education and truth.
If you've managed to read all this I congratulate you.
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Bryan 04/23/2012 4:51:00 PM
Thank you. I agree. Sorry if some of us are belligerant. The thought that I would get shot at or imprisoned, I guess, makes it hard not to lose patience. I agree that a rave review of kratom would also be irresponsible. It really can cause withdrawals if abused. That's from taking it above the stimulant threshold up to the threshold of a mild opiate. The symptoms are no picnic, but they're better than prison, and sure as hell not life-threatening. Proliferation, and easy access would actually make it easier to taper. Unlike morphine or synthetic painkillers, I did not find myself craving it when I withdrew. I endured the flu-like symptoms with a full bag right next to me in my bedroom for a month- and I am not a person who prides himself on his self control. Most the other users I've talked to reported no desire to take it in the amount or frequency that would cause dependance, and reported no withdrawals. Heck, most people don't realize loperamide (Imodium) can do the same thing if you abuse it.
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Bryan 04/23/2012 4:33:00 PM
Well-spoken. It's not about padding every wall in America. It's about judging acceptable risk.
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Bryan 04/23/2012 4:31:00 PM
I LOL'd at the idea of "crushed up percocet" being mixed in, according to the DEA "expert". Yeah, and they also crush up gold and throw it in occasionally. Why the F would they lace it with something that's illegal, and WAY more expensive? Also, agree with you about it making work go by smoother. Just like coffee.
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Bryan 04/23/2012 4:27:00 PM
Pfffft! "Magic mushrooms"? Narc. Surprised you didn't throw the word "dope" in there.
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Btw1983 04/23/2012 4:15:00 PM
Oh, also, kratom miraculously cured 8 years of drinking myself to death, and the results were immediate. They should be researching that. Of course they won't, cuz they didn't invent it. It completely obliterated my desire for alcohol, and made it so even one beer made me queazy. When you weigh it all out, I still think it's awesome.
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Btw1983 04/23/2012 4:12:00 PM
Or how about SSRI's (anti-depressants) that can cause heart attacks, seizures, and death from withdrawal? The DEA is simply the enforcer for the biggest drug dealer in the country- the pharmaceutical companies- and they will kill and imprison to edge out the competition. I agree that the real agenda is that the pharmaceutical companies don't like what they can't profit from. For the most part kratom is about as addictive as coffee. If you overdo it for too long, you can get some annoying withdrawal symptoms (I have), but they are by no means life-threatening, and do not cause hallucinations. I about spit my coffee out when I read that. Neither does kratom use cause hallucinations, or any kind of impairment. It elevates your mood, relieves anxiety, and causes moderate euphoria. There has never been a single overdose in recorded history. If people take too much, just taper off. Withdrawal would be a lot easier to alleviate if it were more widely available. Why is the DEA looking the other way while death-causing, psychosis-causing SSRI's are handed out like candy- TO CHILDREN?! Yet they're picking on what is actually a safe, natural plant? I mean, yeah, let's throw people in prison for this? The drug war has failed- stop making it worse with your scare stories. I've seen the worst kratom can do, and... it was nothing.
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04/18/2012 6:38:00 PM
After serving in multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, I found myself suffering from not only physical pain from multiple head injuries, but also back and knee injuries. I left the Army and was given Oxycodone by the VA to help manage the pain. Despite trying to be careful about the use of this drug, I found myself craving it more and more. I also found that I would have severe mood swings while on it, not to mention the withdrawals if I decided not to take it for a day or ran out. When the Oycodone wore off the pain returned ten-fold, prompting me to take more. After years of using it, the effects lasted less than an hour. I was constantly tired and found it difficult to perform daily tasks. Without the drug, however, I was often in too much pain to go about daily business. The Oxy also did nothing for the migraines caused by the brain injury nor did it help for the neuropathy. Life was pain-filled misery.
A couple of years ago, I discovered Kratom and began substituting it for the Oxycodone. I found that, unlike the Oxy, I could take Kratom for a week or two straight without tolerance issues and then stop taking it without withdrawals. The more I substituted Kratom for Oxy while I was in pain, the less depression and mood swings I experienced. There was no nausea, tiredness, or rebound pain. I didn't crave Kratom or have to take it out of fear of withdrawal symptoms. I can take it on a day when the pain is bad and not take it the next few days or weeks without being sick and agitated like with the prescription drugs given to me by the VA. It demolishes the migraines and relieves pain from the nerve damage even. With no mental cloudiness or tiredness from Kratom, I can go about my life with relative ease and a semblance of normalcy. I have not renewed my Oxycodone prescription since May or June and had stopped taking them long before that.
Kratom gave me my life back. I would really appreciate it if the government and ignorance wouldn't take that away from me again...
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04/15/2012 12:27:00 AM
Keep kratom legal! It's safe- a miracle plant in my mind.
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Katelin Mccaig 04/10/2012 10:44:00 PM
Yes, it is a medicine. But what if the user becomes dependent on that medicine? I guess the authorities are just being wary of what can happen in the future. It is an effective medicine. It can relieve pain and act as a depressant for hyperactivity.
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04/01/2012 2:33:00 AM
I find the topic interesting. Its kind of funny when the authorities decide whats wrong or right. The comment about Kratom not having any medicinal values, come on! That does not even make sense. They are talking about how it can relieve pain. Isn't that medicine. I think that they are too hung up on the chemicals they push out by the millions. They should Buy kratom at http://www.herbstomp.com/ and check it out for them selves.
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Bianrky 02/20/2012 8:10:00 PM
Niki, I read the other article and it is idiotic.Why do you focus on people avoiding drug testing as their reason for taking using this herb, a tea.
Why don't you focus on the fact that cigarettes have killed millions and you can buy them at any gas station or drug store?
Why don't you focus on the fact that alcohol kills millions every year.
I found Kratom after I broke my arm and I did not want to take painkillers anymore because they made me sluggish and sleepy and had STRONG addictive properties.
Plants, teas, herbs are of what harm to you Nikki are you just trying to get sensationalist story on the books to draw attention to a pathetic career?
What business is it of yours?
Kratom withdrawal compared to Opiates? on a scale of one to ten? maybe a two. Coffee? About a 2 as well. Kratom causes no harm. It does not inhibit motor skills and no one has ever died (Like Marijuana) from Kratom. Yet you beat the drum of "legal high".
By the way, alcohol causes a legal high. What is wrong with one you can't get toxic poisoning from? What is wrong with one that makes you peaceful? Have less anxiety? Relieves pain? Without risk of overdose.Well obviously it is because the pharmaceutical industry is cut out of the equation.
Your article attempts to look fair but who gets the last word? THe DEA. 2 million people in prison? and we can afford to put another layer of people in jail for making tea? Really? How asinine.
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dorisblake 11/18/2011 11:29:00 PM
ALL kratom does to me is give me a headache and make me feel sick. not pleasant at all.
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Efranc 10/11/2011 1:21:00 AM
Excellently put! It's a shame there's such a delight in this country's media for scare stories!
I appreciate the writer's inclusion of both sides of the story however there are a few points that need to be addressed:
1. Why isn't there any excitement in the media for a "Newly-found, natural plant that has profound pain-killing effects with MINIMAL harm potential!"
2. The DEA, by action, is an organization dedicated to the eradication of substances that can be used for fun. Kratom does have a recreational potential, and so they will be biased against it!
3. This herb has the potential to take the amazing amounts of money made by pharmaceutical companies from people addicted to opiate pain meds. I know it's not their intention to have people addicted to meds (hell, maybe it is!) but there are sooo many people, old and YOUNG addicted to these 'legal' morphine-based drugs! I have witnessed first-hand the ability of Kratom in helping people get off of their addiction to opiates. Maybe "You cannot tell me there's any science behind [using kratom to treat opiate addiction]," but there is definitely a massive number of individuals who have been saved by this amazing herb!
(And yes I enjoy this herb as a clearer-headed alternative to alcohol and mj - but only on an occasional basis. I used it regularly for a month, didn't like the heaviness that I was developing, and easily stopped - with no withdrawal!)
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09/03/2011 9:25:00 AM
was on opiates for appr 2yrs withdrls made me want death. iwill be in pain for the rest of my life anyone thats says this plant is poison is getting a handy from the pharm comps
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09/01/2011 4:52:00 PM
There is a lot of truth in this article mixed with a lot of misinformation provided by those who obviously don't know what they are talking about or have an interest in making money of having kratom scheduled. If you want to learn more about kratom, try www.kratomfacts.info. One clarification that I would like to stress is that kratom is not an opiate. The active constituents in kratom actually prefer delta opiod receptors as opposed to mu opiod receptors that opiates are attracted to. That is the reason that kratom is used by many as a stimulant in low doses with absolutely no negative side effects. Also, kratom does not cause intoxication like opiates do. There is a slight risk of addiction if it is used in large doses for a prolonged period of time; however, the withdrawal symptoms experienced are no where near as bad as for opiates. If someone tells you otherwise, they have obviously never quit heroin or oxycontin. It is absolutely ridiculous for anyone to even suggest that kratom should be controlled under the analog act. Chemically and metabolically, there is no parallel to any scheduled drug. The closest thing would be yohimbe or cat's claw.
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Just Saying ... 09/01/2011 3:01:00 AM
And, if it weren't constantly in the news, kids wouldn't be running off to the head shops to get some, hoping for the "high" they were promised by the media.
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No more PAWS! 09/01/2011 2:44:00 AM
First off, the constant media attention labeling it as the "new legal high" is what's causing people, namely irresponsible kids, to rush to the local head shop to buy this stuff... STOP ADVERTISING it as a high for Pete's sake!!! :o(
I agree with both Nathan Wren & Shawn Schuman - it's NOT, NOT, and can I say it just one more time...NOT! ... a substitute for opiates. I speak from experience, I was heavily addicted to opiates and experienced many a HORRIBLE withdrawal episodes. I wanted off of the pain meds, but like mentioned in this article, it was the incredible w/d agony/pain, etc. and just wanting to feel "normal" that drove me back time & time again. I finally sucked it up and suffered through 3 full weeks of H*LL in full-blown opiate w/d's. Even after it all, with an improved diet and vitamin regimin, I still suffered severe fatigue, depression, aggitation, and pain (I have multiple compression fractures in my spine). I don't have medical insurance, and even if I did I did NOT want to be put back on pain meds!! That experience was a nightmare like no other, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone! However, I do have an entirely different view on addiction now - I have experienced it and I feel for anyone trying to overcome an addiction - it's a vicious cycle, and not a pleasant one as many may assume.
I joined a few online groups in order to connect with others battling addiction, and learned about Kratom. I was strictly told by members to NOT let it become a crutch, or a substitute, but rather to use it sparingly (that actually frightened me cuz as any addict will tell you, "sparingly" isn't exactly part of our nature). I was told that it would help allivate some of the symptoms of PAWS. From that point, I educated myself as much as possible about Kratom and finally, after snapping at my young children for the millionth time since I went cold-turkey from pain pills, I decided to give it a try. I'm glad I did! I have seen an immense improvement in my PAWS symtoms, especially in regard to getting so easily aggitated with my children... Thank God! I have wonderful children who deserved to have their Mommy back - I truly believe that Kratom has helped bring me back, and for that I am so thankful. Kratom truly does relieve pain, which many US citizens have, so isn't it a bit ridiculous to say that there's no legitimate reason for it to be used in the US??? The US makes money off of pain meds. They also make money off of us "junkies" who seek help, only to be placed on Methadone, or Suboxone... I have used Suboxone and let me tell you, that was THE WORST drug to come off of - I seriously thought that I was going to die in front of my children during that ordeal - Never Again!!
When addicted to pain pills, I would absolutely PANICK when my prescription ran low... I knew what was coming: the nightmare of withdrawals!!! With Kratom, I don't get like that. I can take it, or leave it ... I use Kratom on the days when I feel the awful dark cloud of PAWS creeping up on me, and it makes those days a little better. I do also take it if & when I suffer pain from my back injury. On average now, I take it about 7 days per month. At the beginning (soon after quitting pain meds) I would take about 3 times per week. ** When I was on pain meds, I took MULTIPLE pills MULTIPLE times per day, EVERY DAY!!! Can you imagine what my liver must have gone through?!?! I'm lucky to be alive to even post this. **
It's been a long, hard journey to get to this point. I really don't think that I'd have been sober this long without the help of Kratom, and for that I am truly thankful! I know for a fact that if not for Kratom to help me on the bad days of PAWS that I would already be back on the crazy train of pills.
PLEASE stop advertising it as a legal high... THAT is what drives kids to try it, and if they don't feel the high that is mentioned in the media they assume they need to take higher and higher amounts - amounts that the average person would never even think of, including former addicts who have issues with limitations...
People should have the FREEDOM to choose between prescription pain meds, or a natural alternative. After my ordeal, I would definitely suggest avoiding the synthetic Rx drugs if at all possible.
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Subscription 08/30/2011 5:30:00 AM
There's no need to get emotional. I'm entitled to my journalistic opinion, just as you are. I have a deep passion for journalism, and I am not afraid to criticize poorly executed publications when I see them. I feel, and most would agree, that journalists should not use sensationalism in an attempt to gain readership, and this article clearly sensationalized the idea that kratom is the next big bad legal drug on the horizon. I just want to clarify that I do not feel that kratom is a wonder herb with amazing benefits. I simply felt that this article used misleading statements and quotes to make kratom sound as dangerous as heroin, which was likely an attempt to gain attention and readers. It was bad enough when I saw this sensationalism once, but it was done three different times, in three different articles, with the same overblown quotes and misinformed statements (such as stating that kratom could be considered an analog). Obviously, almost every single person that has responded to this article seems to feel the same way, and I feel like that definitely counts for something.
If this article were truly balanced, it would not have received the overwhelming negative criticism that it did, and that is what makes it poor journalism. It was clearly biased toward making kratom appear comparable to morphine, when its pharmacological strength is actually more similar to caffeine. It's difficult for any journalist to take a step back and admit that an article is biased, but at this point the responses to the article speak for themselves.
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Salt 08/30/2011 4:55:00 AM
I think she realized she bit off a little more than she could chew with this one. The negative feedback for this article can't be sitting well with her editor.
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Kratom 08/28/2011 6:48:00 PM
Where's the writer who write this articles? So many people want to discuss and maybe debate with you! Why you disappear and not come back to reply each opinion that against your article?
I learn so many things about kratom from the commentators, just a little from the article :P
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Guest 08/27/2011 9:24:00 PM
Well, I'm certainly glad I have your expert opinions on journalism to guide me after graduating from college and working in this industry for more than 15 years. I'm well aware of what an "analog" is, as well as what's in the Federal Analog Act (believe it or not, I DO research things). And I wasn't trying to pull a fast one on anybody by using the same source materials ("Did you think no one would notice?" No, I'm not one of those people who thinks everybody's stupid except me, which is how you're coming off). If you think no journalist or paper ever uses the same quote more than once, then you really don't know jack.
And I'm not sure what your intention is in telling me you've e-mailed Ramona Sanchez. I really don't care, because I quoted her accurately. And if you really knew as much about journalism as you're insinuating, then you would know the difference between a reporter accurately quoting someone else's opinion (which is what I did; whether you find those opinions valid or not doesn't matter) and a reporter advancing their own opinion. Never once in that story did I ever come out and say I think Kratom is dangerous, or that it's an analog, or any of the other "inaccuracies" you're trying to point out. I was quoting and relating what other people (on both sides of the issue) said. Sorry I didn't take an extra 3,000 words to argue your personal opinion against their quotes a little more.
I don't expect you to agree with me about anything, but it seems to me you're just upset this article wasn't glowing about the alleged benefits of Kratom.
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Subscription 08/26/2011 11:34:00 PM
This was a very well-put response! Thank you for the time and effort you put into this.
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Subscription 08/26/2011 11:25:00 PM
By the way, you say you have only published two articles about Kratom, with one being a "blog post." But I was able to find a total of three ARTICLES you have published about kratom, "Drug Roundup: The Latest on Spice, Bath Salts, Europa, and Kratom", "Kratom: An Opium Substitute from Asia is the Latest 'Legal' Drug to Hit the U.S.", and "Kratom: Some Say the Latest "Legal Drug" Is a Harmless Herbal Tonic. The DEA Says It's Far More Sinister". Additionally, you used the same sources: Ramona Sanchez, Dr. Frank LoVecchio but simply reworded the quotes to make it seem like it was new information. Did you think no one would notice?
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Subscription 08/26/2011 11:14:00 PM
I'm not looking to quibble, but you can most certainly plagiarize yourself, as you have done here. If you don't believe me, google "plagiarizing yourself". In fact, most journalism programs will fail students for recycling old quotes/sources and presenting them as new. You mentioned that your other story was a "blog", but it showed up in "google NEWS", so it still counts as a publication.
Additionally, your quotes are very suspect. Particularly your quote from Ramona Sanchez. If you had done your research you would know that the Federal Analog Act only applies to synthetic compounds, or "designer drugs". Ramona Sanchez would certainly know this, and I have just sent her an e-mail inquiring about this article and your quote. You can't pick a plant off the ground and say it is an analog because an analog is something that is derived from something else. That's what the word analog means.
You have to be careful when you make grandiose statements in articles that involve science, because there will likely be many individuals reading who know more about biochemistry than you do. Even if you can get a quote from someone, you still have to check out their quote and make sure it is logical or else you will lose credibility for including it. Any student journalist writing for a school newspaper knows to do research before publishing an article. I'm not sure if you were relying on an editor to catch your fact errors, but if I were you I would certainly consider retracting this article.
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guest 08/24/2011 12:26:00 AM
Once again BIG BROTHER shall determine what is best for you. Listen to the Government, they always know what's best for you. Get in line and do as you are told. Continue to propagate and consume! We do not want you to partake in anything other than what will provide us profit and ultimate control of you and yours. The continuation of LIES and CONTROL over YOU the PEOPLE! How are more people not outraged with the ongoing degradation and interference into our personal lives. Have we all just become placated Zombies? What in the Hell is happening here? Prescription drugs, food tampering, diverting our attention with reality TV crap. The list goes on and on. People flipping out on a daily basis and commiting horrific acts upon each other with no good answer as to why they are behaving in that manner. Something is truly amiss here!
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bryan 08/22/2011 10:33:00 PM
Oh and my name is bryan!
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bryan 08/22/2011 10:29:00 PM
Sorry for the poor grammar was done on my phone.
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bryam 08/22/2011 10:27:00 PM
This plant is about as harmful as coffee as someone else said. Perhaps the DEA comments are no different than what they have said about marijuana. 99% proven to be false disinformation and propaganda to fuel and maintain the ongoing drug war. The more substances illigal there are the better off the dea will be. Why don't your write an article about the disinformation the us government has presented about marijuana? A substance that has never produced a single proven death. Or talk about the cultures that have used kratom for 1000s of years. I'm a continued consumption of McDonald's is far more "sinister" than kratom. Yes it has a relaxing effect, so does benadrill. My point here is that articles like this fuel a non-existent problem. How about benzo's which can cause hallucinations, seizures, and death from withdrawl. It is also the most highly used drug on the market and has been proven to be more dangerous than heroin when it comes to addictive properties and hazards of withdrawal. So there's a story for you, how about you file plants like kratom to the not harmful category and face the real problems in America and the world. And on that note ill have some kratom, relax and not hurt anyone. Not even myself because there is thing called being responsible. Isn't that alcohol's slogan "drink responsibly"? Doesn't seem to detur the amount or deaths each year from it. How many pot or kratom related deaths do you hear about? So how about we think about how responsible our governments are in the first place. There is my article. TRUTH
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08/19/2011 6:10:00 PM
Actually, I wrote two articles in less than two weeks. The one you commented on, and this blog: http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/2011/07/kratom_an_opium_substitute_fro.php
And I'm not looking to quibble, but it's impossible for someone to plagiarize themselves.
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Subscription 08/15/2011 4:29:00 PM
Ms. D'Andrea,
Have you noticed that you are the only reporter writing stories about Kratom? You have written the same story about kratom with slight variations every two weeks for the last 3 months. Not to mention you keep PLAGIARIZING yourself by recycling old quotes and statements NUMEROUS TIMES. I think you need to write some stories about the dangers of physicians overprescribing narcotics like oxycontin instead of rehashing the same story every two weeks about an herbal tonic that has been around before biblical times. STOP PLAGIARIZING YOUR STORIES. No one will take you seriously.
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08/14/2011 6:24:00 AM
Its the stupid headshops that sell this product for consumption and if it wasn't for them this wouldn't even be in the news and media wouldn't have eyes on it. Thats how salvia is becoming illegal from state to state headshops ruin it. Salvia is much much stronger then kratom I might add and even LSD so why ban kratom? Seems like were living in a communist country.
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08/12/2011 11:51:00 PM
I laugh at the absurdity of the idea that Kratom is "Sinister". If Kratom is sinister then so is Coffee. They are equally addicting (Or non-addicting if you will).
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08/10/2011 9:36:00 AM
This article is extremely interesting and I was very surprised to see that Kratom is the third most poular drug in Thailand, behind Meth and Thailand cannabis . Today, kratom is scheduled in category 5 of the Narcotics Acts (1979), in the same category as cannabis and magic mushrooms.
I can remember my trips to Southern Thailand many years ago and it seemed, at that time, there were many local 'countryside folk' chewing away like mad things: I presume to relieve the boredom of the day. It will be interesting to see how it's illegalness can be controlled long term as the kratom tree is indigenous to South east Asia and it's eradication may, therefore, be almost impossible.
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08/10/2011 1:30:00 AM
"he says he began taking kratom to overcome an addiction to painkillers. "There is no real 'high' to be had," "
When you take painkillers every day there isn't a high with those either. you only get high by going beyond your dose.
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08/09/2011 12:21:00 PM
tinyurl.com/427k7lo
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Hondaturbocapacitor 08/08/2011 11:55:00 PM
I have used the RAW plant material (not extracts) daily for years, except for a break here and there. I found that it eliminated my IBS and heart burn, better than anything synthetic that hasn't stood the test of time. Kratom is a member of the coffee family. I am more productive and have no issues concerning "withdrawal" - nobody I know has the opiate withdrawal symptoms described in the last paragraph of the article I know many people that use this completely natural harvest. We know for a fact that it is not laced with crushed up synthetics (i.e., harmful pharmaceuticals) because anyone that knows kratom will explain that one can purchase it in non-powered, crushed-leaf form. The plant can be grown, and the same physical appearance and texture can be observed.
The price for kratom mentioned in the article is extremely expensive and unrealistic (nobody pays that much except teens with nothing to do). The reason I bring up the over-inflated price point is because this article portrays kratom as something so "addictive" and recreational that people pay a LOT of money for a small amount. This is just simply not the case. Such thinking can lead a reader to thinking of a product in terms of "doses". You can thank head shops that recklessly market all herbs for this negative stigma. The actual pricing per gram of natural leaf (at the retail level) is, on average, $10 for 25g.
Note the image of the head shop'ish product of some powdered leaf kratom with the word
"ecstasy" on the packaging. That is not what kratom is about. One would think the writer of this article is biased and trying to emphasize the dark side. One could show an image of anything in conjunction with a recreational/legal-high term/phrase and make it look like it's worse than it is. Head shops are, again, to blame for the easy targeting of harmless herbs. Get rid of head shops - all they care about is money, not longevity or legal status of anything. To group a plant in the coffee family with synthetics sold at head shops is very unfair. Many people depend on plants for many things, and this is not the direction we should be allowing media to take. It is very clear from many biased viewpoints in this article that there is an agenda to demonize this herb.
I've been an herbalist for a long time. The "Kratom Association" is some new group that does not speak for the rest of us. They're apparently approaching the issue like medical-mj activists, something not good for this industry. They have no right to call themselves the Kratom Association - people that rely on this plant did not appoint them, and most do not approve of their actions. It is my belief that KA was not assembled by responsible people. They are becoming an easy target by the media, and KA should adjust their exposure and focus accordingly.
FDA and Big Pharma: If you want to sell more of your synthetics, why would you bring more attention to something natural as being "just as good" or "better"? Perhaps you should re-evaluate your strategy since articles like these simply boost sales of kratom and push people away from untested synthetics. Many people that haven't heard of kratom are now going to make the switch. Perhaps you already know that and are planning something, but after many people realize the many benefits (and there are so many other benefits than as an opiate agonist), you will lose credibility very quickly.
This article is aimed at teens looking for something recreational. Don't you see it? Next, you'll read something about some kid getting "hurt" or "hurting someone else". This type of exposure on something natural and unregulated has an agenda of:
1. Lure people in, get popularity
2. Fake some disaster stories
3. Force immediate legislation
It is so obvious what these recent kratom articles are trying to do. Kratom has been around for thousands of years, with many Americans aware of it for a long time before this negative media exposure. Something is obviously in the works. Why don't you pick on the labs in China making designer drugs instead? Do you really want to attack a natural plant so you lose credibility and also make blatantly more apparent that you're taking away our freedom? I don't know if a real human being created this article. If so, they were paid generously to do so.
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JHerrington321 08/07/2011 6:07:00 AM
Kratom will be another beneficial substance that will be banned by the government by mounting pressure from big pharma, and the large percentage of FDA chair members who through a known conflict of interest, are on the payroll of some pharmaceutical companies. See, there's no way to patent something that naturally grows from the ground, and kratom stands to divert potential patients away from money making pharmaceutical drugs. There's no money in kratom for those who have the largest influence on out drug policy. Looks like the media spin on kratom is ramping up.
Now, as with any drug, there is the decision made of whether the benefits outweigh the side effects. Kratom is no different. Doctors prescribe amphetamines to children every day and ad's that carry a black box warning for increased suicidal thoughts and actions. Does this make these drugs "bad?" As someone who has tried kratom, I can say that it is not as intense as the media would lead you to believe. In larger doses, it does have similar effects to mild opiates. There is, as with any drug in that class, a potential for dependence. This dependence is not nearly as bad as the methodone that is used in maintainence programs. This drug would do well if regulated, but as I said before, there's no money in it. Therefore, it MUST BE BAD AND OUTLAWED.
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08/06/2011 11:05:00 PM
Geez, glad I have a nobel laureate like you to tell me what's going on.
yay.
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08/06/2011 5:03:00 PM
Kratom is harmless. It is as addictive as Coffee and as Mild as Coffee as well. It is a natural leaf from a tree, not a "Street drug". Haha.
BTW, haven spoken to countless Kratom users...I can guarantee that it DOES have medical benefits for depression, anxiety, fatigue, pain relief, etc. The list of medical benefits goes on and on.
People need to start doing more research before making uneducated statements.
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08/06/2011 12:02:00 PM
Great another street drug to look out for!
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Katie 08/06/2011 1:36:00 AM
I put my links in parenthesis and it appears they have been linked with the right paren left on as part of the URL, causing them to 404. Here they are again:
AET molecule-- http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/images/tihkal11.gif
DMT molecule-- http://th274.photobucket.com/albums/jj269/boomer6754/th_dmt-structure.jpg
7-hydroxymitragynine molecule-- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/7OHMitragynine.png
Scheduled painkiller molecules-- http://www.pbs.org/thebotanyofdesire/images/lesson-mhc.jpg
Sorry about that!
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Katie 08/06/2011 1:29:00 AM
I was a little put off by your first article but I think that this one is much more fair. I am grateful for your willingness to seek out the "other side of the story" and gather information from those who actually have experience with Kratom.
However, I am a little taken aback at the DEA spokeswoman's mention of the Federal Analog Act. Those of us who are familiar with it know that in order for Kratom ingestion to ever be prosecuted under this act, it would have to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law that BOTH the effects of Kratom (as mentioned in your previous article by Ms. Sanchez) AND the chemical structure of the alkaloids found in Kratom are "substantially similar" to that of a Schedule I or II controlled substance. Unfortunately for the DEA, the latter criterion would be simply impossible to prove. The molecular structures of the active alkaloids in Kratom look nothing like any Schedule I or II substances. I've long been intrigued by the vagueness of the wording, and in my reading of specific cases prosecuted under the FAA have never seen a case in which the substance being prosecuted was not a synthetic "designer drug."
Check this out, if you have a minute: In 1992 the case United States v. Forbes was dismissed on the grounds that the government was not able to prove "substantially similar" chemical structure of alphaethyl-tryptamine, or AET (an alleged analog of Schedule I drug Dimethyltryptamine, more commonly known as DMT). Take a look at the two molecules, AET (pictured here: http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/images/tihkal11.gif) and DMT (pictured here: http://th274.photobucket.com/albums/jj269/boomer6754/th_dmt-structure.jpg). Even a layperson with absolutely no knowledge of chemistry can see much more of a similarity with these two molecules than exists with 7-hydroxymitraginine (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/7OHMitragynine.png) and scheduled opiates (http://www.pbs.org/thebotanyofdesire/images/lesson-mhc.jpg).... so if prosecution of AET failed, prosecution of Kratom surely would, as well.
Finally, I wish that everyone commenting would tone it down a little bit. I'm afraid that you are causing members of the Kratom community to come off as incredibly belligerent. I know that isn't the intention, and I, like all of you am angry and saddened at the recent portrayal of Kratom in the media. But I think it would really behoove us to present our arguments to inconsistencies in the information presented in an calm, well thought out and non-hostile manner. Also, I think that even an article like this is a win for us. You can't really ask for any more; writing an article that is a rave review of Kratom without presenting the other side would be just as irresponsible as the articles that only present the negatives.
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Ed Hoy 08/05/2011 7:20:00 PM
Kinda defensive about bj's isn't he? Just sayin'. He doth protest too much.
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Glopez_2k4 08/05/2011 4:11:00 AM
alls I know is i needs me some kratom
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Ed Hoy 08/05/2011 4:06:00 AM
The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration................. says there's no legitimate medical use for kratom in the United States. A DEA report issued in December 2010 says pharmacology studies show that kratom"............ reducing pain, producing "sedative and euphoric effects,"
This sentence is very telling. The DEA is talking out of both sides of their mouths ( and another orifice as well). Nothing unusual there I am afraid.
The newspapers editor sounds like an angry little person. What a loser. Thanks for giving it another try Niki, I don't envy you, and hope that you can follow your conscienc as you pursue your career at this paper. I am sure it is not easy.
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Jarrett 08/05/2011 2:12:00 AM
That would make sense, if "the other side" wasn't lies and had some actual evidence behind it.
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08/04/2011 11:22:00 PM
Well going by you're Yin and Yang mantra why cant we have an ALL POSITIVE story from the media since we have had a few ALL NEGATIVE pieces!
I wanna believe in a world gone bad, Im a veteran and you know this, I hope I never have to tell children that we fought for nothing.
I understand that editors chop up everything and ruin stories , and you seem like a really sweet person Niki, so im not bashing you, I just want to know how to get the truth out there instead of being forced through someones mold to make it to the people!
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08/04/2011 11:17:00 PM
Also If you want some actual, factual, research and to see all the things that WERE FORCED to be left on the cutting room floor by the one who sell the adds on these papers, here is where the real SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH IS FROM LARGE UNIVERSITIES AND PROFESSIONAL LABS, WE HAVE COLLECTED IT ALL HERE FOR YOU:
http://www.kratomassociation.org/index.php/publications/kratom-research
AFTER YOU GET THAT READ PLEASE SEE OUR OTHER AREAS! LOTS OF GOOD STORIES FROM GOOD CLEAN HONEST AMERICANS LOOKING FOR THINGS TO HELP AND PROTECT LIFE AND FAMILIAL MATTERS!
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Big Bob 08/04/2011 9:48:00 PM
That sounds like an honest, fair explanation to me. Journalistic integrity entails covering both sides of the story, which few in the media do anymore. I thought that was a factually sound article with little to no bias or opinion. Sounds like Kratom users are getting their panties in a bunch because this news story is potentially drawing attention to their drug of choice, and/or not presenting it in a completely (biased) favorable light.
We all know the DEA and our government do not do things the way they should, but that doesn't make their position on the subject irrelevant.
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08/04/2011 9:46:00 PM
Here is a response that I got from the editor ":as much as i hate to argue with biased people like you (especially from as far away as new york state), the story is factually balanced. if you don't think so, i really don't care. we don't do blow jobs here. that is, pimp your favorite means of getting high. over and out." What a fine piece of work this publication is.
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08/04/2011 9:29:00 PM
No, you didn't write about your experience with Kratom, because you then people would say "If you believe the Kratom is dangerous, when why did you use it?"
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08/04/2011 9:22:00 PM
You don't need to bash it. By making news out of it and calling it a "new legal high" is enough. Most people use it as a medicinal herb or tonic, not as a recreational drug. The DEA constantly needs to come up with new substances to justify their jobs. They would ban coffee if they can get away with it. . Any problems that people may have with it are well contained and it is not widespread, but that can change as a result of your reporting if it spreads to others sources as well. When you sniff out new stories to get ahead in your career, please be aware of the consequences that you may cause as a result.
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08/04/2011 5:52:00 PM
To answer your first question, Purplemoon: No, I did not get a raise from writing this article. To answer both yours and Nathan Wren's question: Yes, I did try Kratom for journalistic research purposes. In the end, I chose not to include my singular experience with it because I thought the comments of longtime users such as Wren were more pertinent to the story. As for the comments that I "bashed" Kratom, I disagree. This is a news article -- it requires both sides of the story, not just the "upside" from advocates. If you can find another news article on Kratom from a major news outlet with no vested interest in Kratom that even bothers to include positive experiences by longtime users, I'd love to see it.
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Purplemoon0130 08/04/2011 2:57:00 PM
Nathan, don't trust or rely on the media. BAD news MAKES the news. It's all about grabbing attention for their newspaper, daily news on tv or any media outlet. The "WOW factor" will always win. The OH MY GOD grabber always wins. People's heads don't turn when they read about most GOOD articles. They're boring and won't sell. They are all into drama!
The Kratom Association will be the TRUTH about kratom, whether positive or negative. The only reason that kratom is starting to make the news is because of it being put in the class of "drugs" and especially lumping it in with these "bath salts" and spice. It's like classifying aspirin in with the harmful and addictive oxycodone or morphine. It's totally ridiculous. If vendors to these head shops would start labeling plain aspirin in a package labeled "legal high" when sniffed, how would the drug addicts react? They would RUN to purchase it. Then what will the DEA and the media people do? Will they just ignore it or go after it like they're doing with kratom?
@Nikki:
Did you get a raise from doing your article? You openly admitted to trying kratom and had great results, then you turn around and bash it. Were you lying just to get a story?
I pray if kratom disappears into the black market and not available to all of us who suffer with chronic pain, depression, extremely low energy where you can't function daily, suffer with Crone's disease, chronic diarrhea, suffer with the debilitating fibromyalgia symptoms and many other ailments/diseases doesn't make you feel too guilty. Shame on you for saying you would speak the truth and help to keep kratom available; to take it out of the class of drugs that are making the headlines. I truly hope you are able to sleep at night. And if you can't, you shouldn't have the right to turn to kratom to help you sleep, which it also helps many when insomnia attacks. Hope God forgives you for lying to get your headline news.
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08/04/2011 2:32:00 PM
Niki,
What happened to the part of the article that you told me you would write on how your editor let you try kratom, and you told me it helped your knee issues and was nothing out of the ordinary?? You told me when I was Interviewed that you made some kratom tea and drank it FOR this article, and you would write about your experience....Im waiting....
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08/04/2011 11:18:00 AM
Ms. D'Andrea this is sour grapes! This is the 3rd article that you wrote to try and make waves with US drug policy on Kratom. Clearly nobody that you have interviewed has any credible information or knows what they are talking about! DEA says it has no acceptable medical use? What studies have they based that conclusion on? They say quote"there's no legitimate medical use for kratom in the United States." but
then you read " DEA report issued in December 2010 says pharmacology studies show that kratom has "opioid-like activity in animals," reducing pain, producing "sedative and euphoric effects," Is that not a medical use? And they are using Methadone to get patients off of Kratom????? can't you also go through similar withdrawl symptoms when quitting cigarettes and caffeine. How about the fact that it is not legally even a drug but an herbal supplement.
You are clearly trying to stir up trouble where there isn't any and I ask you please to stop. You will be responsible for the real death and violence that will occur if Kratom gets put on the black market and controlled by criminal enterprises and you will also be responsible for all of the young people who will read your information and buy this product in mass looking for a legal high. Are you willing to live with that?
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08/04/2011 8:20:00 AM
You are correct Walter concerning the pharmaceutical industry.Many of the medicines they push are harmful and debilitating , and they don't want competition from nature.
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08/04/2011 8:08:00 AM
Mr. Vacovsky,methadone is an addictive substance with horrible side effects,and it is used as a substitute for opiates in clinics all over America.There are many medications that people have to use through out their lives for one reason or another.Many people prefer natural remedies,and they should enjoy the freedom to make that choice.I agree that these slick packages of kratom concoctions being marketed as a legal high are irresponsible and should be removed from the market,but kratom in it's natural form has helped many people, myself included,and I am disturbed by this "reefer madness" hysteria that is developing over kratom.I have a terrible problem with anxiety and depression and kratom has helped to alleviate that condition,with no side effects what so ever.If I have to take it until I die I don't care.Kratom will only become a problem if it is banned.
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08/04/2011 4:25:00 AM
The DEA should piss off. Of course, they won't. Like any large bureaucracy, their first agenda item is to protect and expand their bureaucracy. So they'll demonize and ban any substance they can, and will fight legalization of cannabis and other recreational substances tooth and nail.
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08/04/2011 1:31:00 AM
Peshaw. This article was written with facts as well as opinions of those in pharma and those who use the substance. I found it very informative, with no personal sway one way or another by the writer. That's how you do it!
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Walter Concrete 08/04/2011 12:40:00 AM
So, the New Times recieved their marching orders from the PTB to run this very scientific story full of biased opinions and supposition. God forbid the pharmaceutical companies lose a dime of revenue to another natural substance. We must take the poison that is manufactured in order to keep us sick so we can take more of their poisons to kill us eventually. Let's never change anything and just roll on to our sick beds and reduced standards of living. This kind of thinking which is pro pharma does make me sick. Read the side effects of any drug produced by the drug companies. But that's acceptable to most people for some reason. Maybe because of articles like this.