Teaching Spanish to White Kids Is All the Rage -- Even in Mexican-Bashing Arizona

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Hrobster, I've mostly dropped out of this discussion, but since I still receive the comments, I will reply to you thusly: I look deeply every single day and if you knew me personally, that would be very apparent to you. What I was trying to "lighten up" was the negativity and personal attacks in some of the comments that have been posted here. Until people can speak their minds in a way that addresses the subject without making personal attacks on the messenger, all of this remains nothing more than arguing for the sake of arguing and goes nowhere. Moreover, the online, anonymous nature of the medium makes it all too easy to engage in rude and disrespectful banter that I truly hope would never happen in person if we were sitting in a cafe and talking eye-to-eye. If we don't self-censor our worst impulses (and believe me, when strangers make disparaging remarks to me, I feel them too) then we simply escalate negative dialogue and end up perpetuating problems. I believe your remark was sincere but lacked awareness of the stream of comments up to that point. And I do agree with your comment that there is an element of placating the masses with entertainment and fantasies of consumerism that acts like a drug to keep people from taking any collective action. Ciao ... and have a good day :)

You know, honestly, after reading your replies to Cypher and other's, including myself, I'm yielding this forum to you, because you are about the most aware person, who's writing on this stuff, I've had the pleasure to read. But, one warning, caution, piece of frirendly advice, DON'T BURN YOURSELF OUT, IT ISN'T WORTH YOUR HEALTH OR HAPPINESS.

Maam, the trouble in this whole country is that things are always "lightened up". That is exacty what the elite want--distractions, and endless amount of them, while they destroy the nation for their benefit, using Wall Street and the courts. I wish you'd look a little deeper, but it's ultimately up to you.

Now, that was funny, really funny.

Where exactly did I call you comrade or communist? I think you are getting me mixed up with someone else, not just here but perhaps on some other page or WOW! Light is right. As far as RIght Right goes, not me said the little red hen. Guess you haven't been reading much of my posts. I'm done with both of them - right and left and have said so repeatedly. Done with R-listers. Done with D-listers.

Yup, you are still working, you can be as light as you want. Millions of CITIZENS aren't working and your MSM is a bunch of sold out presstitutes but just so long as YOU YOUR PERSONAL self is still working I guess that is all that counts and therefore you can honk about your flawed ideas as much as you wish. Maybe when your retirement is stolen, the "entitlements" you have paid into all your life get redistributed to the exact people who are trying to destroy the dialogue by stating that wealth distribution in the form of increased taxes on the rich is unfair but taking your $$$ that they borrowed all these years is fair. ?????

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oh yeah! The Thunderbirds?

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If you don't read my links - how can we dialogue? This is the only thing that makes sense to me . . .http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.h...

Now you post lots of definitions but when I do it's "snarky and rude?" Ah but this noun so fits your contribution to the real discussion going on. But your 2nd job as gummintroll is about to disappear due to :

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US bankrolls 'shadow Internet for dissidents' abroad

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yupyupyup - it's always "abroad" - like those drones and the DU and the Agent Orange

NOT.

Decent jobs would solve alot of these problems including this argumentation going on right here but it isn't going to happen is it?

How unfortunate that you choose to be snarky and rude while I try to lighten things up a little. You chose to call me "comrade" as an insult, apparently because you think I'm SO liberal that I MUST be some kind of Communist and therefore some kind of enemy. I posted the etymology of the word so that you could see it is much older than Communism. The fact is that I'm more of a Libertarian any day than I am a Communist, but as has become typical of the Right, you would rather insult, mock and denigrate than have a civil discussion or even debate on the subject. For the record, Cypher is my ex-husband's name and that of my children and grandchildren - thought to be of German origin but changed at some point during the immigration process long ago. My maiden name was Worrell, about as English as they come. As for you two, as usual, you still hide behind your screen names where you feel free to be as boorish as your want to be. Were you to type my name into your search bar you would see an actual human being, a real flesh and blood person who is essentially an open book, on purpose. I stand behind my thoughts and opinions and would gladly discuss them face to face in the spirit of honest, civil debate. I will tell you one thing for sure. I have been working with staunch, mostly male conservatives for years in the legal community who know me well and recognize that our political opinions are very different - yet love me all the same, as I do them; I have been the "office hippie" for many years. What is different about that environment and those men is that THEY are gentleman and practice a warm, gentlemanly courtesy that appears to be unknown or forgotten to you two.

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She still has a job. She does not know what is most important. http://www.thefreedictionary.c...

Noun1.cypher - a mathematical element that when added to another number yields the same number0, nought, zero, cipherdigit, figure - one of the elements that collectively form a system of numeration; "0 and 1 are digits"2.cypher - a quantity of no importance; "it looked like nothing I had ever seen before"; "reduced to nil all the work we had done"; "we racked up a pathetic goose egg"; "it was all for naught"; "I didn't hear zilch about it"goose egg, nada, naught, nil, nix, nothing, null, zero, zilch, zip, zippo, aught, cipherrelative quantity - a quantity relative to some purposenihil - (Latin) nil; nothing (as used by a sheriff after an unsuccessful effort to serve a writ); "nihil habet"bugger all, Fanny Adams, fuck all, sweet Fanny Adams - little or nothing at all; "I asked for a raise and they gave me bugger-all"; "I know sweet Fanny Adams about surgery"3.cypher - a person of no influencenobody, nonentity, ciphercommon man, common person, commoner - a person who holds no titlepip-squeak, small fry, squirt - someone who is small and insignificantjackanapes, whippersnapper, lightweight - someone who is unimportant but cheeky and presumptuous4.cypher - a secret method of writing

"The slave is sold once and for all; the proletarian must sell himself daily and hourly. The individual slave, property of one master, is assured an existence, however miserable it may be, because of the master's interest. The individual proletarian, property as it were of the entire bourgeois class which buys his labor only when someone has need of it, has no secure existence." (Marx)

19th century wage slaves vs. slaves in US at the time - "records show that slaves worked less, were better fed and whipped only occasionally—their material conditions in the 19th century being "better than what was typically available to free urban laborers at the time". Just like you said Bobby.

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Robber baron Jay Gould. After hiring strikebreakers, he said "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." (from above link.)

To my personal ethic, nattering on and on about the joys of Spanish speaking life is the moral equivalent of the above when we have so many unemployed.

Very good, carry on.

"One language is a unifying force and even nixes the attempts of these dirty politicians to take advantage of division on the language basis, which they sure as hell haven't been beneath doing" Biggest touche' here. I have seen so many predators on people who had no English - their own countrymen are often the absolute worst. Regarding your below post - you are not wrong - it took a Russian to write a book using our own US census materials, to teach the US public how many citizens died of starvation during our last Great Depression - something our public school history books managed to omit.

Thank you for being open. I really do believe that language has an enormous effect on people, both socially and psychologically. If I didn't believe it, I honestly wouldn't have given this article a second glance. Yes, I was bothered by the title, but afterall, it's the style of this newspaper, provocative, the writers are nothing if not provocatuers. It was the message that bothered me more. I simply don't see it as hleping to solve anything in this country involving human relaltions, to the contrary. One language is a unifying force and even nixes the attempts of these dirty politicians to take advantage of division on the language basis, which they sure as hell haven't been beneath doing. My first language wasn't English, and I remember how differently my friends would see me when I brought them home and they heard my mom and dads accents.

No we have not had problems at all. We agree on almost everything including the culture wars. Just it is so strange in this day and time to have people be unaccepting. The Mexicans with their hearts in Mexico are the ones who can't deal with our marriage or our offspring. Oh they will be really friendly if it is just hubby organizing the playdate but once they see me they are like lizards - an extra lid comes over their eyes and they are done with the whole family - that is how prejudice they are. It hurts in this day and age that people will inflict such prejudice on children but that is how they are and this is what we have invited en masse into this nation without correcting them at all in this manner. One time we were at a rest stop in Missouri and at the rest stop were some real prejudice people but they were not familiar with our look so they did not know who to be angry with. The black people were angry with us for being mixed and so were the whites - it was funny (because they did not attack us) but they did really want to attack us but they realized that we were both "other" so they were stuck just knowing that they should be outraged by our mere presence together but not knowing exactly how they should be outraged. A friend of mine just sent me internal memo from union (postal) about how the workers are not getting it. Oh yes, they get it alright. It's just that the unions have been playing ball the corrupt elitist way for so long that they have left so many hard feelings that members don't know what they should bother to fight for - more hell on earth the union way? We need solidarity as a people of a nation with one language to discuss what we agree is wrong and what we agree to do to fix it. Just focus on what we have in common for once. We are all facing low wages, joblessness, unaffordable basics of life, losing homes, transportation . . so do we trample each other like animals or do we remember what once was known - that humans are above animals in behavior choices. In recent years it seems to me that the animals are shaming us.

I'll say this. You sure are a profound essayist. I'm sorry you've had problems in a mixed marriage. My cousing is married to a Mexican woman, long time now, and she is completley Americanized. It might be because even her father and mother, now in their eighties, were also born here. In any case, she is a better person in all ways than many of our other anglo-saxon,etc. relatives, for sure. In any case, I don't believe intermarriage, etc. is any real problem compared to what the so-called leaders of this nation have in store for it. It's insane, watching the two-party that's really one party system play its games with the American public. I love the one about solving the jobs problem, that both the democ(rats) and republi-(cons) constantly babble about, while not informing the American public, that besides not caring about illegal immigration, the administration still allows, 120,000 people a month to enter the U.S. A MONTH!! It used to be 150,000 people a year!! So that will definetly help our youth and others with jobs, won't it? It's so insane the way the elite, confuses and abuses the public, that if there is a hell, I wish them a long time in it.

I could be wrong, hopefully. Who really knows what the future holds.

True probably for most immigrants to US regardless of legality. We are naiive as a nation to conditions in other nations and I really think that many contemporary immigrants had just as good a life in their home country as here - it is the chance for their offspring to achieve POWER because in the US people of power have proportionally higher personal resources to average wage slave - astronomically higher than anywhere else on the planet. CEO, CFO - it's all good.

Again, restitutiontouscitizensfirst, please don't think of me as trying to patronize you in any way. I honestly do believe you to be a profound and deep thinker on these issues. It's just that I disagree on certain matters with you.

But I do respect other people. I have never attacked anyone, but have always tried to help most people, if it was in my power. I'm just stating in these blogs, what I believe to be serious realities, that we probably won't escape. It would be a nice world, if we could all live like the various cultures that went through space on the starship Enterprise in Startrek. But I don't see it happening and I'm not ready to blame it on the attitudes of European-Americans alone. There are all kinds of other cultures here, that are going to have an equal blame for what comes down. I can just tell by the attitudes of many of them. Sorry if my attitude/beleifs have disappointed you, siince you obviously are a deep thinker and profound person in so many ways.

I disagree again. This nation, as every other nation, is a product of the culture that created it. The money system, the language, the literature, the politcal structure,etc. There's no escaping for millions of people I'm afraid. Nor do many of them want to escape it. I claim your argument is flawed, because in it you implied that the MAJORITY that took part in the creation of this nation, was someone other than European-Americans. You see, what I'm saying is this, millions of folks that live ouside of the American Southwest, have old traditions, (go back East and see) are steeped in a certain literature, language, and customs. If these people are pressured by the ellites constant pushing of multiculturalism, that puts pressure on and changes their way of life, they won't like it. To me, it's the most obvious scenario of what will happen. Why would I say that? Because as I've pointed out in other posts, multiculturalism is not what people want. What people? EVERYONE. It isn't a white, black, brown, red, or yellow thing. It's been showing itself to not work in every nation that tries it. I just can't imagine it working here, in the long run. It's like I claimed in another post, Americans simply are the kind of people, probably more than any other in the world, that don't like to have things forced on them that makes them change. Doesn't matter if it's the metric system, soccer,(the whole worlds number one sport) or language. I'm just trying to be realistic about what I already see happening.

I agree with you but the fact remains that omission is a form of judgement just as omission can be a form of lying; a discarding of the validity of, a denial of their hard work and once these people read you they will also discard the rest of what you say and European descent Americans are barely the majority now and will not be in the near future. We are here now. We need solutions for now. The reconquista argument has many lies and flaws but also many truths and quite enticing. Just as we say - oh but that was 400 years ago, that was 200 years ago - the European majority and the European history is not what we have today, just what is left of it. People are more inclined to respect it and see the value if you also respect them and their value. Yes I want English to be the national language and no more catering to the linguistically impaired/deficient - it is not cost effective - nationally we have done this argument ad nauseum. Plus I fail to read why you say my example is flawed - please explain.

Wait a minute. If you want to return to the antibellum period, you would find that most European-Americans, did not own slaves. Most people in the South worked on small farms and it was hard work. In the North, European-Americans worked in the dirty, unsafe, and unsanitary factories of the Industrial Revolution. I'm talking about millions of people. No OSHA safety laws, no minimum wage, no minimum work week, no medical care,etc. If you read the conditions these people worked in, they lived and worked as little better than slaves. In many instances their conditions were worse. Slaves in the South, did not all live as depicted in Hollywood movies. There are many accounts showing that many slave owners were not cruel. They had to talk and live and move through life with these people, afterall. The Slaves of the South, basically enriched the very few, relatively speaking slave owners. You had to be rich to buy slaves. I don't understand you point about the overseers and their descendants. It's a faulty argument. As I said, most southerners didn't own slaves. Of course slavery wasn't an enriching experience. But you have represented it in a very narrow way. I don't know why you take my post as denying someones identity. It doesn't. I feel, in fact, that it's simply neutral. The vast majority of the United States was created by European-Americans--millions of them, and it wasn't a picnic. This was once common knowledge, and is still absolutely factual. It needn't be a judgment about other people, as you are apparently making it.

Bobby , Bobby , Bobby . . . . you can round up to the nearest dollars and cents but you cannot apply same principle to your concept of "majority." Let us visit a cotton plantation in the deep South a couple of centuries ago. Perhaps there are 900 African-American slaves working the cotton and 35 overseers ruling by superiority of weaponry. Who produced the most work? Do you think like the builder of the sea wall example I gave above - that who-ever has the power to claim their version of reality in the history books is the one who produced the most work? Next I will propose that despite inferior food, housing, medical care and extreme adversity I think that it is highly probably that those 900 slaves have far more descendants than the 35 overseers. The descendants of slaves have built a whole culture around that experience and they aren't dropping it. The descendants of the overseers? Probably most of them do not even know. Furthermore, we now have scientific research proving that traumatic emotional experiences do alter gene expression and that alteration is passed to offspring. Now whether or not this continues in perpetuity or if over a period of time the condition corrects itself we do not know. Likewise an argument could be made that the overseers had superiority of weaponry and nothing else - perhaps to survive slavery intact requires superiority of physical, mental, emotional and spiritual attributes.

The attempt to include the contributions to the US by minority populations in public school textbooks is not just feel-good Marxism but an attempt to engage a humongous group of people who totally reject the knowledge of "the man" starting in kindergarten in the hopes that they will become productive vs. destructive citizens. If you deny my truth I am just as likely to hit the Ignore button and never get your message. If you deny me my identity, my contribution, my history, common sense states that the rest of what your present must be flawed as well because the very foundation is incorrect. I personally do not think that is necessarily the case but most people will just dismiss and move on and never take a second look.

By the way, I think you overestimate the influence of the "religious right" on Republican politicians, certainly the rank and file Republican voter. Many of them think of the religious right as nothing more than mental cases. But really, if it is a democracy, then why did the public in California for instance, reject gay marriage, but Hollywood and the left, are doing everything they can to make void that vote. When prop. 8, gay marriage was voted against, and by a large margin of black voters, and some hispanics, and Mormon groups, the left and gays showed their true colors and went literally berserk. They defaced Mormon churches, (I am Catholic) and physically attacked people by the hundreds. It proved to me that many leftists and gays, are not the gentle people they claim to be, that only want "their" rights. It's a complicated issue, and many Americans simply don't want a gay person teaching their kids for fear they will influence them, and other AMericans aren't ready to constantly see men kissing men, or women kissing women in public. Is that entirely unreasonable?

Again, I agree, but like that guy, most people don't care about the Golden Rule where their self-interests are concerned, so we need a rougher solution--the law.

"are two different things."

Typing fast screws up not only my spelling but my grammar as well.

No, I meant knowing the Golden Rule and doing it, is two different things. I don't believe most people, including Mexicans, operate with the Golden Rule, especially when their own best interests are at issue.

I realize that, but most points are made in a general way. Yes, there were even some Mexicans who fought in the Revolutionary War against England. There were some Mexicans that always took part in helping to create the United States, since some were always here. Some Chinese helped to build some railroads. Black people helped the Southern economy. I'm arguing in generalities, and not every specific instance or exception is taken into account when one does that, including a scientist. When a general statement is made, it doesn't enumerate every thing but it states the larger part. That's how all reasoning is done. European-Americans, were mostly, for the large part, those that created the United States. Beer names,(Busch Brewing company, Adolph Coors, Miller, Pabst, Hamms, kindergarden, hot dogs, hamburgers, the design of houses(mostly English except in Southwest,)skiing, golf, polka music --all traditions way over a hundred years old and brought from Europe.

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"The Golden Rule has its roots in a wide range of world cultures, and is a standard different cultures use to resolve conflicts."

Simon Blackburn states that the Golden Rule can be "found in some form in almost every ethical tradition."

Taking our jobs is not the following the law of reciprocity - the Golden Rule known throughout recorded history. Stealing our identities in order to take our jobs is not Golden Rule. Stealing from our social safety net that US citizens paid into for their own hard times and old age is not Golden Rule. Just because 2 governments agreed to sanction this and make it OK does not make it OK according to rule of common sense universal law of reciprocity. This means that both governments are criminal governments. People who take advantage of the stolen fruits offered by criminal governments are soul poisoned ignorant or not.

If I were President, each and every company that received bail-out funds and then took their jobs offshore would have all their assets seized as well of the assets of all CEO's, CFO's and their passports and put in prison declared enemy of the American people. So WE paid to keep those jobs in existence, and we paid to keep those jobs in existence on our soil so the fact that absolutely nothing has been done and even our JOBS CZAR Jeffrey Immelt has just done same with moving division of GE to China - IN YOUR FACE CRIMINALITY!

So at the rate things are going we will be identical to Mexico very soon if not even less. So it will be interesting when the jobs are gone, the social safety net is no longer there to steal from - will the illegals still be so interested in this land?

oh duh - I am reading too fast - I thought you meant an author named James - somehow skipped over your NT reference - kind of like Dickens (was it?) that wrote "charity begins at home and justice begins next door" - which is Biblical principle but put in easier language by a writer many centuries after.

huh? Don't know that quote. I got the term double-minded when I decided to read the Bible and finally learn the basis for the culture I grew up in.

Wow I so disagree with both of you and here is where we come to the poisoning of our education system and how little boys learning to play the violin just can't get with playing "Mary Had A Little Lamb" because they are that aware that young (thanks to media saturation and changing culture) and we have to adapt to them and not in the ways that have been done - so we are not producing violin players. I don't even want to go off on education but there are ways to teach these things and get the kids engaged and for some reason we adults and educators of this nation stay stuck on stupid -you know, stupid is trying to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results. They can stick the technology and have a bare room and teach more in so-called turd whirld nations. Anyways I am convinced this is also all on purpose.

I disagree. We really are not presented with much choice and we always have to choose the lesser of 2 evils. Recently I heard radio talking head (one that usually makes me sound crazy because I start talking back to the radio and screaming and cussing LOL) stating that if we don't do this or that we would end up with a 3rd party as if such an event would be the worst thing in the world. Hey I welcome 3rd, 4th and 5th parties. Truth be told that we do have a 3rd party and more but they have them so marginalized that they don't even bother to count them when they open their big fat mouths and this alone shows them for the lying liars that they are.

I am not well informed - just trying. There are people I could learn much from but they don't bother with places such as this. Don't know where they are so relegated to internet long as I can afford it.

Yes they both suck. I figured out a long time ago that with our current technology we could have true representative democracy but the problem is getting people truly informed about the issues. The Citizen's United decision seemed so great - I am waiting for those people to be felled by the same weapon that they made.

ummmm . . . . some of my ancestors helped to build this nation that were not considered part of the Euro-majority. I know other people who tell the same - they were just omitted. Like a descendent of NDN's I went to school with who told of how his ancestors helped to build the local church and then were not considered good enough to sit inside. . . . cured them of Christianity. It's kind of like a man I knew who said he built a sea wall for his property but it turned out that he did not build it - he hired a huge retarded guy to build it. So the man would say do this and the huge guy did it. So who built the sea wall? I felt like the man lied to me when he said "I build it."

Yes, Comrade, the people that created this nation--European-Americans. I've given you examples before, it's all on the internet, history books right up until the left took control of the school system taught this. It's not fantasy. This nation was a finished product a long time ago and European-Americans created it. The whole world knows this comrade. Why are you not clued in?

Comrade Cypher, try if you can, to understand the MAIN POINT I'M MAKING ON THIS LANGUAGE ISSUE, which we have often veered away from. It is this: When have you ever known Americans as being the kind of people that care to learn a new language? In fact, my English teacher in high school, used to berate us severly and citizens in general because we wouldn't even bother to speak, and write English correctly. That's why Americans use so much slang, they are essentially language lazy.

Now Comrade, the main point here is that if Spanish is constantly pushed on them, all they are going to do is get angrier and angrier. They won't care and they will become critical and upset with those that are forcing something on them that they don't want. It's one of the things that makes Americans feel free, and indeed, it is what distinguishes this country from others. Just think about it--how resistant Americans are to changing their ways, and it'not hard to see what will happen with the language thing.

"Mlticulturalism is the wave of the future"

Oh really comrade? Is that why former nations like Czechoslovakia are now the Czech Republic and Slovakia, two nations. Is that why Yugoslavia, is now some 17 separate nations? Is that why Scotland wants to be free of English rule,etc. Is that why Ireland wants the English out? I see comrade, tell us more about the joys of multiculturalism that European leaders have admitted is failing.

I am not a Republican fanatic by any means. For example, when I recently got together with my sister, I told her that since the Republicans want to take away Social Security, we must be Democrats now, since we want this when we retire, because we have already paid in a bundle. On the other hand, the Democrat Party of today, has moved so far left since the time of Kennedy, that if Kennedy's party were around today it could only be called conservative. It is the Democrats that claim they are for unions, but they have abandoned them. They fight for illegal aliens that do not belong in this nation. They claim they are for environmentalism, yet believe in unlimited immigration, both legal and illegall. I have talked to many leftists on these topics, including one of the columnists Stephen Lemons. His attitude on immigraiton is typically far leftist, and when it comes to environmentalism, if it conflicts with illegal aliens, then the environment can go to hell as far as he is concerned,etc. The Democrats are hypocrits of a differerent type than the Republicans. The Democrats claim to be anti-war, environmentalist, etc.etc. Yet Obama has expanded the wars, and the Democrats environmentalism is fake. Now one thing can be said for the Republican establishment, at least they admit they're for big Corporations, Greed and couldn't care less about the environment,etc.. I'd rather have honesty, no matter how evil because I will know what to do, than lies and duplicity.

I'm sorry the quote from James should read, " A double minded person must not expect to receive anything FROM God. Not for God.

"Or is it something that I am failing to see? "

I don't think so. Your'e too well informed for that. Do you know what IT is for all of us including govnernments? It's a double mindedness, an unwillingness to decide what we want. I'm not a big person on religion, but I have often read the letter of James in the New Testament. There he says, "A double minded person, must not expect to receive anything for God!! Oh, how we as individuals and society as a whole, need to bring back that concept into our lives. If we have massive illegal immigration, not only from Mexico but from every other nation in the world, why do we? Because people around the world can se that the U.S. is a double minded nation. We don't like the policies of certain politicians, yet when it comes time, we vote for them again, out of some fear or something. Double mindedness.

If more practiced the Golden Rule there would not be so much hatred against them - like the beer stealer in the store.

Yes I do. If they could bother to follow what is commonly considered healthy rules of behavior for society, following the Golden Rule would help both sides but I have read their literature and they reject it because it originated in Europe according to their rewritten history of lies which I need to do search for this p.m. and post below here. http://en.wikipedia.or/wiki/The_Golden_Rule and they propose a new moral code ethnocentric to them but I could not grasp exactly what it was, and that is supposedly because I have too much European in me, (mystical like Christians saying that if you are imbued with the Holy Spirit you will suddenly understand the mysteries of the Bible with absolutely no help, background or training at all - you will just suddenly understand). Their new ethnocentric supposedly resurrected from their noble past indigenous ethnocentric moral code apparently has not been codified into something that I can find to read yet and their own literature states that it is race-based on the indigenous bloods running through all of the native peoples and breeds of the American continents - so they are somewhat inclusive but it is still all for La RAZA and everybody else can have their throats slit.

This one is for you Bobby;

"The Republican Dream

In the 30s Republicans dreamed of destroying Franklin Delano Roosevelt while dismantling all social, banking and labor programs that were helping the country recover from Republican-born Depression.

Eighty-years later, Republicans dream of destroying Barack Obama while dismantling all social, banking and labor programs implemented by Democrats over 80 years that prevented the country from falling into Republican-born depressions like the 30s.

Republicans have always despised “safety-nets” because they believe only free-loaders and parasites partake. The unemployed stay in that condition only when granted support, they claim, and their favorite slur for a food-stamp recipient is “welfare queen.”

Everyone should know by now – Republicanism is an illness, not a cure.

Enough rant; it has long been determined the root cause of this century’s pending Great Depression – the final product of Republican politic. But what’s it like living the Republican dream (as opposed to the American)? It is now time to understand how to survive; past time to analyze why – as if no one knows except media bent on establishing false equivalency.

Let’s take ourselves into the near future to maybe get assimilated.

Republican America is one of no unions, declining wealth, dwindling resources, poor to no services, and dead or nearly dead industries resembling salvage yards. High interest rates are charged to the few approved. It’s a nation of freeways deteriorating to gravel pocketed by privatized toll booths, of collapsed bridges, and flights reserved only for the very rich. It’s a country of urban blight, one-third homeless, rusting factories, and boulevards boasting tattoo parlors, casinos, and check-cashing scams. Businesses are boarded on Main Street, skyscrapers crumble, while millions of homeless live on streets lined with empty houses.

Survivors in Republican America are forced to compete for vanishing commodities, resulting in riots, looting, theft, and murder. It’s simply the natural progression anyone could have predicted. With only scarce supplies and no mechanism to enforce rations, what other aftermath could result? Rightwing America is a very unsafe, unstable, and violent place where even the upstanding must compromise morals to survive and put food on the table. It deteriorates to the classic primitive contest – survival of the fittest where only the most ruthless bring home the bacon.

Republican America flaunts unpaid, non-credentialed teachers, run-down schools, vacant colleges, and volunteer firemen and police. There are no unions; they’ve been decertified and busted. There are no student loans. Only a fraction seek higher education – and then only from wealthy families.

Textbooks are written and published by Christian right organizations. Subjects discarded are evolution, labor history, climate change, and sex education. Inserted are Judeo-Christian heritage and how devoted the founders were to Christ and church. Ronald Reagan is deified more than the framers, and “American exceptionalism” is the daily lecture.

Republican America, like Walker’s Wisconsin, restricts voting to citizens with government-issued photo IDs and “active” bank accounts, but makes certain these are almost impossible to obtain, especially in Africa-American and Latino districts.

Only white, evangelical precincts are favored. (One can catch a glimpse of future voting by observing Republican legislation in states captured by the Tea Party in ’10.)

In Republican America, fundamentalist Christian “morals” are legislated while crime skyrockets to historic levels. The more rightwing laws, the more crime. Gun violence runs rampant; still gun owners are protected. In fact, every citizen is encouraged to carry a weapon, and the right to carry concealed firearms is ensured federally across state lines.

Gay marriage is banned; all former marriages and state laws legalizing same-sex contracts are annulled. Indeed, gay sex is criminalized [like it was in the good ol’ days]. Thus, gays are again routinely victims of violence and unpunished murder. (The ultimate transgression is “justifiable” in the name of Jesus to eradicate evildoers, they assert.)

Abortion is banned. Roe v. Wade is overturned. (Meanwhile, wealthy Republicans send daughters, wives and lovers to Europe, Asia and South America for the “procedure.”)

Republican America is a police state. Except the “police” are no longer local, but poorly-paid federal troops. Major violence erupts first in urban centers, then spreads across the country. The Republican government feels compelled to suppress the outbreaks, then eventually suspends all civil liberties and elections.

Republican America, in the literal, is Third World.

Republican America paves the road to revolution, for which true libertarian Tea Partiers achingly lust so they can try out their precious weapons on “undesirables.”

The religious right will never believe Republicans brought America to its knees. Neither will characters like Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, and Frank Luntz. But, of course, they are all major contributors to the fall.

Question is – How are we going to genuinely survive? Really?"

http://www.21cpw.com/global.ht... Loren Adams 8/14/2011

No I just felt that she is not thinking clearly through this and is not representing herself well enough including that she has insufficient data (easy enough for all of us to be in that position) and therefore is relying on old knowledge that is no longer true in some cases, using what she thinks is a logical progression of common sense to defend her position - but she does not know - and the "logic" does not always lead to the truth as we are dealing with humans with complex factors and needs and you and I both know that in some examples she simply has not experienced it and her "logic", and that of many other Americans including policy makers is either flawed or intentionally in denial - combination of both depending on who we are dealing with.

I am probably a comrade as well and do not realize it. I know that none of the political theory supposedly in practice now does actually work for the vast majority of people at this point in time and I know that when walking in the 'hood I need an equalizer and so do most other people. In this case the illegal Mexican has their community, their vast numbers who have been politicized in the same way and to give up their "equalizer" and forge something new is terrifying but I would prefer that they consider this before the bloodshed rather than after, when we US citizens are no longer between them and the corporate oligarchs. How can they not admit that they have been given unfair advantage over other immigrants and US citizens themselves and instead believe that they are superior? Do they think that these holes in our system were left by happen chance rather than malignant design when citizens have been fighting for fairness for years and nothing is ever done or even if any law is passed by a majority they are repeatedly overturned? Why do they refuse to see that in a matter of time their fate will be the same as ours? Or is it something that I am failing to see?

Millions of Mexicans don't even bother to learn English, and you think the Golden Rule might help them Comrade?

I take it back, you really are a comrade. It's all over your writings. Oh I would also include a Mexican Nationalist. The suggestion was made by restitutiontouscitizensfirst, that your are hiding behind something, and I believe that's evident also.

Citizens United? Yes I have also written about how multi-nationals can "pray" to a court for restitution from their human victims. It is appalling and ties into the artificial intelligence scenario too for the corporations that own these things. http://www.newswithviews.com/B...

The way I have always viewed this situation is from the perspective that Russia was the melting pot of the ancient world, US was melting pot of modern world. The clashing of cultures resulted in what kind of government that we don't want here? But we are getting it, OMG are we getting it. Of course other nations/lands have had huge ebbs and flows of migrations over the centuries, our descendants may well be writing about the effects of the Mexican Hordes as opposed to the Mongolian Hordes.

I would not call this particular underclass uneducated. Somebody has gone into that vacuum and filled it with a very hostile very dangerous meld of thoughts that bears the clear and distinct markings of things that we have seen before and never did wish to see again, in the madrassas of the barrios and favelas. The markings are so clear that we do not think that this is an accident of human nature. No, it appears to be social engineering with the purpose of intentionally setting these two populations against each other and I see no one from any other side willing and able to dialogue about this and make better solution - which in and of itself does point to an inferiority of intellect and a superiority of bloodthirstiness and shallow thought with little regard to the future when their same choices will be applied to them in turn.

Some of the rage passes boundaries of race, ethnicity and class. If you have white hair you may know what I mean. We need to militarize our white hairs because it is open season equal opportunity to openly rage on our white hairs in the store, on the street, in the car. I love the white hair who is still able to push back and make the offenders think twice about picking on a white hair. I "get" wanting to move to Sun City now. Sadly many of them are also losing their homes to current events from what I hear - don't know anybody covering it hint hint hint. Culturally we are so far astray from what is good when we do not protect and nourish our fragile and differently abled - a huge part of what made the USA "better." However many cultures have cast-off their non-functional humans and to them that choice was the civilized one. Apparently that is what we are returning to by a vote of the masses with their day to day behavior on the streets of this nation.

I think that at this point in time you have your numbers skewed. I think that we have decades of culture, from Hollywood too, that rationalizes illegal behavior of the underdog and therefore the numbers of people who are getting over any way they can when no authority is looking is vaster than the humble hard working - I seriously believe that.

And BTW, I agree with you about the Golden Rule. I thump that drum all the time and indeed, if we could just do that, all the rest of this stuff would take care of itself.

Whether you like multiculturalism or not, it is the wave of the future. Isolationist reactions to the blending of people and cultures and economies happens all over the planet but is eventually subsumed by reality. New generations of children learn together and play together, develop personal relationships, marry, families blend and change. You cannot go back to the past, my friend. The future always presses forward. Problems occur and have to be addressed on a case-by-case basis. The example you gave of the guy helping himself to a beer without paying is not about multliculturalism, it's about lack of police presence in low-income neighborhoods and an angry uneducated underclass. The underclass comes in many colors and cultures and yes, they can be angry and dangerous. But for every individual story of that kind there are dozens more of humble, hardworking people working two jobs that they get to on bicycles, creating community systems to lend money for emergencies, provide daycare and cook food at home to feed themselves and get their kids an education. I can only wish the average American had half the work ethic of most of the Mexican immigrants I know - documented or not. I'm not worried about the rights of artificial intelligence at the moment - I'll leave that to the sci-fi writers as its a very popular subject. (I just saw Blade Runner last night - did you, too?) A bigger concern to me is the Supreme Court ruling that corporations are "persons." Corporations are a much bigger problem for the future than our fellow human beings. Gotta get to work ... have a good day!

I don't see anything wrong at all with keeping family and culture. I had a friend when I was growing up, Carlos Dominguez, a kind of Mayan looking guy, and his mom and dad were the nicest people,etc. and talked Spanish at home. etc. But that isn't what I'm trying to address on this forum or to Lydia Jane Cypher, or whatever her name is.

I agree with what you say here mostly. I don't like multiculturalism. I like the Golden Rule better - seems more universal to me. We have had a clear progression downward away from cultural sharing and learning outside structured environments. There was much more of it going on years ago, even 70 years ago, than there is now. We all have clouds over us. Some hate us for having to be here. Others feel fiercely private for other reasons. Some feel superior to us and don't want to learn and share. Most of the immigrants who come to the US now do not wish to assimilate. I am torn on this issue because I have seen that assimilation into the US culture at large does cause dissolution of the family and I respect wanting to keep family and culture. Many people have their religion tied to their everyday moment to moment activities much more than the average US citizen does and we have current battles raging in some spheres as to what right do we as a nation have to separate them from that - the biggest being the contention that Islam and US citizenship are not compatible.

What you or I would love to see in our educational system - well we have to reality check ourselves because it simply is not going to happen. Our educational system is just as corrupt and poisoned with inappropriate influences as everything else it seems. I suppose we will have to wait for a techno-geek to bring us the Universal Translator from Star-Trek. With the advancements being made in thought mechanics I wonder if the nasty stuff will get translated or edited by the droid.

We are very close to the battle where the artificial intelligence demands it's rights and some believe that it is happening already and point to recent events as proof that artificial intelligence is already at war with us. So perhaps in the near future we will be arguing about citizenship rights for the droids - "I think, therefore I am" ? ? ? So we need to seek the universal principles underlying and we need to get it right.

I know. Thanks for sharing . . . . I think. Policy makers need to know these facts of life that we live everyday. As an American woman - it seems that men from other nations all want to try and rape an American woman - they seem to have less respect for us than they do the women of their own nations - they think we are all sluts - and they think they can rape us and then tell everybody it was consensual and get away with it. Mexican men too. I don't know if this is an extension of the hatred of the US or rape as an act of war or if this is what they mean when they say they want a piece of the American pie - I really wish there were some place to figure this out safely but it sure does make me less tolerant of any foreigner after experience with this type behavior and I wish that the multi-culti advocates would recognize these ugly parts of it.

I'm not surprised about the incident with your dad, because I could enumerate dozens just like it. One example. There is a liquor store owner, George, a Japanese-American guy, one of the nicest people you'd ever meet in your life. You know, if you didn't have the exact change for an item,etc. he'd let it go. Well, one day I'm in his store talking to him about Japan,etc. and a rough Mexican cholo type guy,(by looks) comes walking into the store, passes us and goes to the freezer. He grabs a beer and proceeds to walk out with it. George yells, heh wait a minute buddy, then he looks at me and says that fool is always causing trouble. Then he says, you gotta pay for that beer. The Mexican guy stops at the door and turns around and says, George, this beer and your whole store belong to me, it belongs to Mexico. At that point George just tells him to get lost and don't come back or I'll call the cops. I swear to you, this is a true story and I've seen this bullshit attitude over and over from some Mexicans. It's unreal.

IDK but I've been told; Canadians view US citizens going there in same manner as US citizens view Mexicans coming here. They don't want NAU either - it always bugs me to have same initials as Northern Arizona University! None of us wage slaves like the NAFTA on either side of the border. We need to find what we have in common and what we agree on and build from there. I don't understand Marxist, Zionist, Communist - or Republican Democrat either - they are so far detached from the real world mostly it is like they are babbling nonsense and how stupid are we to pay for babbling idiots to screw up our lives? Are we such a flawed species that we cannot devise a governance system that will last uncorrupted and is not miserable to live with either?