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12/22/2011 7:54:00 PM
Wish this could have happened to me when I was younger.
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Disturbed beyond words 12/08/2011 7:05:00 AM
The entire Brock family needs major psychological help! What has happened in this household behind closed doors to cause such perversion? Hopefully the other Brock children are getting much needed help. Could sexual deviation be hereditary?
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Anon 11/24/2011 5:25:00 AM
This is a very common problem in the Mormon church. Even more disturbing is the fact that the church is more concerned with covering up these crimes so as not to be "associated' with it, thereby tarnishing their name. I just recently read a book from a Utah author called "Formerly Filthy Rich" which describes unbelievable corruption from within the ranks of the Mormon church and it's Mormon-owned pyramid scheme, Nu Skin Enterprises, a publicly traded company. I heard about the book on the radio, after it went public, the church and Nu Skin launched a full-scale attack against the author and have been able to almost completely erase his presence on the internet, including his blogs, links to the articles written about his book, and everything else. His website is still up and selling books, however, the books were pulled off Amazon and B&N within a week. Oh - the kicker - he discovered after divorcing his wife that she (the 52-year old owner of Nu Skin) molested his 13 year old boy for years, grooming him with gifts, and threatening him that his brothers and sisters would live on the streets if he ever told anyone. The book resonated with me on several levels, having been a victim of abuse from within the ranks of the Mormon church as well. However, the massive scale of the Mormon church's coverup for this high-level and very wealthy individual is deplorable and sickening. It is all too common that the voice of these victims is simply extinguished by those who are more interested in protecting their reputation than the innocence of a child.
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salty 11/10/2011 7:34:00 PM
since you are slinging the bigot label at others, are you aware that the mormon biblical doctrine is steeped in bigotry? the teachings are steeped in racism? comparing people's expressed disgust for a cult that child molestors to bigotry is wrong. you are defending a cult of pedophiles. many are powerful people who exploit children for their sexual gradification. WTF is wrong with you???
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salty 11/10/2011 7:15:00 PM
its kinda wimpy to flag mistalee's statement as if it were a violation of new times comment policy. its not. as a matter of fact, its pointing out a fact as much as opinion. some folks just don't like facts much less opinions that differ from their own. there are laws forbidding child molestation, there are laws commanding the reporting of suspected or know child molestation. any organization with written bylaws/policies/rules, etc, which influences its members to conceal such outrageous acts should be damned.
what's the difference, minus ornate cathedrals and a make believe bible, between this organization and nambla?!
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salty 11/10/2011 5:06:00 PM
Just like the catholic church and Joe Paterno, and others who play the hide and seek shuffle game with molester should be held accountable. Obstruction of justice, witness tampering, failure to report, etc..., this cult with a history of child exploitation actually includes in its bylaws/policy directions to keep vile acts secret.
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Luckytiger 09/19/2011 10:52:00 PM
Saggy...perfect for the wife's name...haha! Boy, that kid must have really loved those gifts to allow that old bag to blow him. And the porked out daughter...another loser.
If these fat bitches don't stay in the custody of our State's finest for over, at least, 3-4 years...I know I won't be happy. They are some real creeps.
But did the mother and daughter know each of them was doing that kid? Eewwwwwwww...ick...barf!
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Liberalfriend 09/18/2011 5:04:00 AM
Interesting.... I just want to pork that daughter or recieve a handjob from saggy. Any laws that would help with that?
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None 09/16/2011 4:54:00 AM
i agree- angry aren't we?! still wrong- they can't record audio from visits- now had you said phone calls- sure- but not visits... and based on what i said- what makes you think i work there? at least i can post a comment that does not rely on foul language to emphasise my point.
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yourproductsucks 09/16/2011 1:55:00 AM
you are one angry lib aren't you
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Dogbiter 09/15/2011 8:25:00 PM
None, you're the stupid one. You probably have your tongue well up Arpaio's ass. Work there, yoiu know... The materials quoted came directly from jail tapes. Read the story, fucking moron!
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Kenneth Thatcher 09/15/2011 2:56:00 PM
"The clergy-penitent privilege protects certain communications made by a person to their pastor, priest, rabbi, etc. The communication must be intended by the person to be a confession of sin in order to be protected. And, the clergyman must be acting in the capacity of a clergy member receiving the confession of a penitent. Once those prerequisites are met, the clergyman cannot be compelled to reveal the confidences of the penitent."
Wonder why hardly any crimes get reported by Clergy? Because here is another law that makes it difficult to prosecute clergy who don't report. They can use the Clergy/penitent privilege.
And if the protected information was used to obtain evidence, a defense attorney would argue the "fruit of the poisionous tree" doctrine to toss out all the evidence obtained as a result of using the confession, jeopardizing the case. Hopefully the state would argue the inevitable discovery doctrine and keep the evidence in...... Do you want to roll the dice on that with the child victim's life at stake?
There are ways around this, and some clergy have found it and have made reports of child molestation to the police, allowing the suspect to be tried and convicted. Our own laws make things look like it is a "cover up" when in fact people are just following the law.
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None 09/15/2011 3:22:00 AM
Well James King- you are either a Liar or stupid- your knowledge of MCSO's policy/procedure and ABILITY to record audio from visits is wrong... so you either got the quoted materials from another source or you manufactured them- either way- YOU LIED! pretty stupid!
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Kenneth Thatcher 09/14/2011 10:03:00 PM
Dogbiter, I don't disagree that Fulton should have stepped up and made a report when he found out what was going on. But, would you? If you found out your spouse had committed a crime that would put them in prison for years, would you be ready to make the call to the police right then????? That is a tough decision that I am glad I didn't have to make.
I do have an issue with him using his postion to get favors at the jail, trying to intimidate the detectives into not doing the search and his claim that until the arrest he knew nothing. Obviously by the notepad with his handwriting on it that was not true.
At least you can run my name to look me up, but I keep a pretty low profile these days, so as you see, nothing is there.
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Dogbiter 09/14/2011 9:03:00 PM
Ken, come on... Fulton Brock should've reported it. Granted it would've been hard to prosecute without the kid's cooperation, but at least he should've demonstrated an ounce of integrity. I'm curious. Which city in the Valley do you live in to have dealt with the press so fully. Your name doesn't pop up on google in any official capacity.
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Kenneth Thatcher 09/14/2011 7:20:00 PM
Dogbiter, have you read ARS 13-3620 the mandatory reporting statute? In part it reads;
"A member of the clergy, christian science practitioner or priest who has received a confidential communication or a confession in that person's role as a member of the clergy, christian science practitioner or a priest in the course of the discipline enjoined by the church to which the member of the clergy, christian science practitioner or priest belongs may withhold reporting of the communication or confession if the member of the clergy, christian science practitioner or priest determines that it is reasonable and necessary within the concepts of the religion. This exemption applies only to the communication or confession and not to personal observations the member of the clergy, christian science practitioner or priest may otherwise make of the minor." Now, do I believe this is the right thing to do, NO. Do I beleive this is what the LDS Church Handbook for Bishops advises, NO. But it provides a defense against prosecution for those clergy who receive a confidential confession and who chose to not make a report. That section makes it difficult to prosecute clergy.
Sure "almost all" of the article came from public records, the facts from those records is not the issue. What I take issue with is the article writer injecting strong personal opinions based on speculation as to what he thought someone knew and when they should have known it and the allegations of cover up from everyone involved. There is more to the incident that is not contained in the police records that would change some opinions if that information were known. But like I said before, that information was not material to the prosecution of the crimes. The police detective was provided the information, but concluded it did not need to be included in the police report, as it was not material to the prosecution of the suspects.
What most people don't understand is the absolute psychological power and control the offender has over their victim, that most victims will be so controlled by the offender that they will not disclose being abused, even under direct questioning by their parents, friends, police officers etc. Without the victim's disclosure, there is no investigation. I have witnessed this happen many times and am grateful that things worked out in this case to allow for these crimes to be reported and prosecuted.
FYI I have dealt with many news reporters during the past 27 years on lots of news articles, I have been party to many news articles and given many comments to responsible journalists for their stories. I have witnessed how sometimes the desire to "prosecute in the media" has grown stories into things they are not.
Some people choose to see what they perceive to be the evil in things; others can look past the hype and follow the facts to get to the truth.
The revealing of the victim's name in this article was absolutely unnecessary, will cause him severe emotional trauma and make it harder for police to get others to come in and report being victimized as they will be in fear of having their identities made public.
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Julie 09/14/2011 6:36:00 PM
Now let's assume Susan was a man and the child in question was a girl - there should be no difference in the treatment of this predator - her husband DEFINITELY knew and he has no business keeping his political position because he is not an enabler, he is an accomplice to child sexual abuse by NOT turning her in. If Sheriff Joe Arpaio is really helping Fulton Brock and his family, then he supports and promotes child sexual abuse as well...how very disappointing. Child sexual abuse should never try to be resolved within ANY religious structure - it is criminal and needs to be treated appropriately. I would even go so far as to say that if this type of behavior was acceptable in the Brock's home, one may want to dig deeper to see what type of role Mr. Fulton Brock played as well - did he ever touch his daughters inappropriately? There is a saying, you reap what you sow.
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Dumoudan 09/14/2011 6:11:00 PM
Do turtles like you?
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Charles 09/14/2011 1:43:00 PM
This is a total disgrace. Now do you you wonder why monitors don't trust the legal system?
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Yourproductsucks 09/14/2011 12:45:00 PM
Do I? How much farther must I go before I catch up?
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yourproductsucks 09/14/2011 4:17:00 AM
"I will say this, if the Church would admit that it's made up of a bunch of imperfect people, from President Monson on down, then maybe people like me wouldn't cast such a jaundiced eye over the organization."
I have yet to meet a perfect person. No LDS member has ever professed to me that they were perfect. In fact I have found the opposite to be true. Dallen Oaks spoke in a conference recently where he reiterated that the Presidency of the Church were comprised of men, as fallible and imperfect as the rest of the membership. The difference was nothing more than the calling they presently held and that their calling was no more important than that of a Sunday School Teacher or a Cub Scout Leader.
You keep returning to the Church Handbook of Instructions and leading the ignorant to believe there is instruction that suggests to ecclesiastical leadership they hide criminal acts committed by the membership for the sake of saving face. This is a bold faced lie. You continue to provide zero evidence to substantiate your claim.
Bishops have a great deal of responsibility and when they screw up, and they absolutely do at times, the consequences are far more enhanced. They are still just men, who hold fulltime jobs to support their families and who donate endless hours of their own time for the benefit of others. They are not paid for their service as bishops and after they complete their assignment they can be called to any other position within the Church. There is no position that is of greater importance or holds any more weight than any other position.
Ecclesiastical Leadership in the LDS Church are instructed to follow the Law of the Land when dealing with these types of situations. There is no deviation from that whatsoever. They are not instructed to call attorneys in an attempt to "weasel out" as you have so aptly described.
It is obvious your feelings have been hurt. For this I am sorry. You are on a crusade against the Church, which seems to be an unfortunate consequence of those who leave with their feelings hurt. This same behavior is historically and scriptorally substantiated.
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Tommy Collins 09/14/2011 4:15:00 AM
Of course I did. But the investigation doesn't die there because a suspect lies and says his name isn't really "O.J"., as you know. No church has no business trying to conduct criminal investigations. You know that. Yes, I am a retired police officer. I was active for twenty years and 18 days and retired honorably with a number of commendations, as a command officer. You still have a ways to go to catch up with my experience, and apparently my knowledge base of law enforcement.
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Tommy Collins 09/14/2011 4:10:00 AM
We both know only 'reasonable suspicion' is needed to initiate an investigation. That investigation may result in a determination of 'probable cause' that a crime has been committed and who most likely committed the crime. Once probable cause is present then an arrest may occur. As a cop you should know the distinction.
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09/14/2011 3:39:00 AM
YEAH BROCKED UP IS RIGHT! THAT CHICK LOOKS SCARY
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09/14/2011 1:05:00 AM
I see nothing to apologize for. Let me point out that the Church Handbook of Instructions not flat-out say, "If someone reports sexual abuse to you, DROP A DIME." Because it doesn't say that. If the Church took child sexual abuse seriously, it would say, "Dial your local police authority if you learn of a possible incident of child sexual abuse." But no, the Church wants the local leadership to call the lawyers and basically see if there's any way to weasel out.
I'd also note that the LDS Church does not screen volunteers who work with children and youth. You want to work with the kiddies at the local Catholic parish? You're going to undergo a background check. That doesn't happen in the LDS Church. (It should be noted that other church bodies do not screen either, but we're talking about the Mormons right now, not the Southern Baptists, who have a similar problem.)
As for the rest of it, let me just say that your comment is typical misdirection on the part of some members of the LDS Church, as in "the Church is perfect but the members aren't." Let's be blunt here, bishops are set up as Judges in Israel, are they not? The guy can decide whether or not you get a temple recommend or church welfare or a calling in your ward. Once a man is called to be a bishop, he's treated with a lot of deference. A bishop is not like a normal member. These stories about the malfeasance of bishops are important because the decision about who is going to be a bishop is not made on a local level, but far further up the priesthood food chain. And when a bishop screws up, it shows the church is simply not perfect--but the leadership doesn't want to admit that, because then members would not show the proper deference to priesthood authority.
I could go on, but I've already written far too much for someone whose mind is already made up. I will say this, if the Church would admit that it's made up of a bunch of imperfect people, from President Monson on down, then maybe people like me wouldn't cast such a jaundiced eye over the organization. But when the Church's whole PR is around how wonderful it is and how great the members are, then yeah, when incidents such as the ones I pulled up this morning are going to catch the attention of outsiders. But admitting imperfection doesn't allow for any room to assert authority over members without them questioning you. *shrug*
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Dogbiter 09/14/2011 12:42:00 AM
Kenneth, Almost all of this story came out of public records. There's no twisting of the facts here. Much of it has been reported in dribs and drabs in multiple other media. And, no, clergy does not get a free pass when it comes to child abuse. Neither is doctor/patient relationship given a free pass. It is strictly against the law for any professional to fail to report even the hint of child abuse. You may be right that it's hard to get a jury in this backwater to convict anybody in such circmstances, but it definitely is against the law. Besides, in what capacity have you dealt with newspaper reporters. You appear to be like so many others; it's only accurate if you agree with it.
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yourproductsucks 09/14/2011 12:31:00 AM
wow
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yourproductsucks 09/14/2011 12:29:00 AM
ok bigot
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yourproductsucks 09/14/2011 12:26:00 AM
I get that you are upset over prop 8 and the LDS stance on it, however it does not give you carte blanche to make shit up.
The LDS Churches protocol when reporting sexual abuse or domestic violence or crimes involving death is to follow THE LAW OF THE LAND. There is NO deviation from that. I challenge you to quote Church Policy that says otherwise. I assure you, you cannot.
I see you begin your argument with a fallacious tactic of poisoning the well by introducing individuals who are or were LDS members who have violated the law. You obviously recognize the error, for you are obviously intelligent, therefore you present it in a manner to purposely dissuade others. Shame on you. To use examples of individuals who erroneously or purposely did not follow Church Policy when dealing with these sensitive cases and blame the entire institution is intellectually dishonest.
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Kenneth Thatcher 09/13/2011 7:27:00 PM
Dogbiter, Arizona Law gives Clergy protection from prosecution and the out to not report. A confidential confession is just that, a confidential confession. This is the problem the Pinal County Attorney was faced with and why I think they decided not to prosecute. Yes, the 8 pages in the article have a lot of information, some of it not accurate, but there was a lot more to what happened that was not part of the police report because it had no bearing on the case. And I learned a long time ago, newspaper reporters tend to slant a lot of infomation to sensationalize things, to get readership. I have know only a few "stick to the facts" reporters in my time and appreciate the job they did to report the truth, not twist it to meet their editor's demands. The Pinal County Prosecutor did his job, the Detective did his job and the criminals are in jail.
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Dogbiter 09/13/2011 6:52:00 PM
Dude, read the article. The cops wanted the clergy charged. They had probable cause. Also, stop trying to make this about some sort of liberal agenda. Nothing to do with that, dumbass. I'm as conservative as they come.
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Dogbiter 09/13/2011 6:48:00 PM
Kenneth, you seem like a rational sort, and there lies your power. But you put up straw man arguments. The police themselves think that the Mormon clergy involved need to be arrested. It's the CA's office that's standing in the way. And nobody's saying the government fouled up here, except for the County Attorney's Office, which should go after Fulton Brock and the Mormon clergy, who failed to report this. And the "whole story" you think people don't know? It's there over eight pages in New Times. Give it up!
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Azbiggame 09/13/2011 5:55:00 PM
The Brock Family should ALL be in Jail for a long time. Her husband was very well aware of what was going on and probably had video of it. I would'nt be surprised one bit. He married a freak wife that deserves more then she is going to get. The daughter has been a product of her parenting and probably has a chance of a healthy recovery but probably not. Once again quality parenting..Fulton should be sweeping floors somewhere in a jail near to his wife. He doesn't deserve to be in the role he is..No matter the good he brings to this state..
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Fmlrs 09/13/2011 5:38:00 PM
I am not Mormon. To what benefit is it to print the name of the victim? If he hurts himself as a result of this humiliation, after working so hard to heal from his ordeal, will that make you happy? James King should never have printed his name. If your child was raped, would you want the name and all the sordid details about the violent sex act published for the whole world to see and comment on? She had it coming to her is what most people would say - because people are assholes.
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Beach101 09/13/2011 4:57:00 PM
The girl's parents gave the phone to the victim's parents, not to Fulton Brock. The girlfriend's parents called Fulton to tell him what they had discovered and to check some facts. They were unaware of the extent of the abuse as the phone only contained sexting messages with no indication that a sexual relationship existed. The boy was 17. The sexting messages were disturbing but no body knew there was anything more at that point. That information came from the victim after confronted by his parents with phone in hand. The extent of the abuse blew the minds of everyone and the realization of how long it had been going on was devastating to everyone. Susan was very clever and skillfully kept the parents from even knowing that she was continuing to have contact with the victim. This publication hurts the victims as well as all of these opinions based upon loose and inaccurate details. The parents did everything they could to protect their child. When your teenaged child tells you he is going to the movies and you drop him off there, and pick him up there, don't you believe that he has been at the movies? When he says he is going for a jog and comes back 45 minutes later dripping with sweat, do you confront him and ask if he was actually being groped by a woman who was threatening to ruin his life if he told? It seems that all of the know it alls who write comments would have the ESP needed to know to ask that question, right?. Good people are no contest for evil pediphiles. It is easy to sit back and judge, but anyone reading this can just as easily be a victim. Child predators do not care if you are educated or not, rich or poor, black, white or purple. Pediphiles are master manipulators and Susan Brock was tops. She even had a great disguise. She was a mother. Mothers do not hurt children unless they are monsters like Susan Brock..
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09/13/2011 3:26:00 PM
The Quinns got what they deserved for reporting their concerns to their "church" clergy!!! FOOLS! Everyone knows Mormon clergy looks the other way or "prays" the abuse away. They abusers take after their founder, and major horn dog, Joseph Smith!
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Kenneth Thatcher 09/13/2011 3:12:00 PM
I wish it were that easy to get a police investigation into suspected molestations. I know of hundreds of cases where reports were made by people thinking something may be happening, and the case gets suspended as there are no facts to support their suspicions. To conduct the investigation the police need some facts and most importantly a statement from the victim that something occurred. In this case the young victim was not telling anyone, even his girlfriend, that something happened to him. The parents tried for a year to find even one fact to give to the police so they could investigate and couldn't due to the secrative paths that Susan Brock took to keep the victim quiet. If you have never been involved in a child molestation investigation, you don't know how hard it is get get enough evidence to prosecute. Investigators must follow strict rules under the Multidisciplinary Protocol for Child Abuse Investigations. That means once the victim denys anything is happening, the case is closed. The parents tried, the boys counselor tried, a retired police officer friend tried to get the boy to share what was happening and he was not going to say anything until his dad found the email and confronted him.
Sorry that so many of you don't know the whole story and want to jump on the parents and govt, thinking there was a conspiracy to cover up, but that is just not true. As to the two Priesthood Leaders who didn't make a report, That was looked at that the Pinal County Prosecutor didn't believe there was sufficient likelihood of getting a conviction based on the facts. Should they have made a report? One of them should have is not in dispute and I think they regret not moving faster and making the report. Even the GF's mom didn't call the police, instead she called Fulton Brock and the boy's parents. While she was not a mandated reporter, she certainly had the phone with the evidence and instead of calling the police and giving them the phone, she gave it back to Fulton Brock.
Bottom line, the case was investigated in a very professional manner, the Detective did a great job covering all the bases and convictions were obtained all all 3 guilty parties.
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Momofacts 09/13/2011 2:18:00 PM
It's not hatred...are you braindead?it's about the twisted group of people that this religious cult creates by stifling and controlling all natural instincts and human feelings by forbidding and demonizing them..this is what happens..the collective group starts to pervert it's self by porn addiction,gossiping,romance novel obsession and many other perversions to vent there normal human attributes..go on to some ex mormon websites and read the stories of these people...the key word here IS CONTROL....so read cupcake and educate yourself instead of burying your head in the Mormon sand!
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09/13/2011 2:15:00 PM
The F. Was this a trick question?
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09/13/2011 2:09:00 PM
RE: Mormon clergy covering up, then lying about the cover-up - http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/04/mormon_church_denies_prior_kno.php
You will note in reviewing this article that even after Susan Brock ADMITTED to a Mormon bishop that she had been having sex with this kid, the church dragged its feet, and even misled the father of the boy into believing they would contact authorities. They did not. Then they lied about it.
Exactly how "Christlike" is that?
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09/13/2011 1:52:00 PM
Google "Lon Harvey Kennard" for the pedo bishop in Salt Lake City. And "Gordon Moon" is the bishop who didn't report child abuse in Duchesne county, Utah.
The Church Handbook of Instructions (that'd be the secret, not-available-to-the-general-membership, to say nothing of the public, Handbook 1), is less than helpful on the subject of child abuse. It's all about covering the Church's azzzzz, instead of saying, "Ok, you've gotten an accusation of child abuse, time to DROP A DIME." Someone at Kirton & McConkie needs to tell the leadership that it's never been kosher to cover up abuse of a child, but that since the Catholic child sex abuse scandal became endemic in 2002, you can't just hide behind the "we're just a church" facade.
Again, this is the same church that went out and exhorted the membership to empty its piggybanks to get Proposition 8 passed in California (to say nothing of Prop 102 here in AZ), but when it comes to child sexual abuse, an absolute crime, it's cover up, cover up and cover up some more so as not to bring disrepute upon the church.
Disgusting.
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09/13/2011 1:40:00 PM
Kenneth: just keep telling yourself that so you can continue sustaining those priesthood leaders who failed to follow the law in order to protect themselves and an elected politician.
And, let me remind you, even if the victim became manipulative when showered with all these goodies by Sister Brock, the victim is still the victim.
It's interesting that the only people who did anything in this instance were the two non-priesthood holders, i.e., the victim's girlfriend and her mother. So much for the Melchizedek Priesthood, I'd say. Not useful for a whole darn lot.
(And yes, before you jump on me, I am being extremely sarcastic. But if you think the priesthood gives you great power, then why isn't it being used?)
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09/13/2011 1:39:00 PM
LOL, condemnation from one such as you translates to high praise.
FTA - According to clergy sex-abuse expert Marci Hamilton, not alerting authorities about suspected abuse is status quo for the Mormon Church.
"This, unfortunately, is very typical behavior in the Latter-day Saints church," she says. "They will take calls about abuse either to a stake president or to a bishop, and it doesn't get reported."
Under LDS protocol, Hamilton says, it's up to the stake president to decide whether to further investigate suspicions of sexual abuse. She says church leaders often choose not to look into such suspicions, to avoid humiliating the church with a sex scandal."
The fact that the Fultons are Mormon is no indictment of the Mormon Church. All religions have their pervs and criminals. The fact that Mormon Church officials ignored their duty to report suspected abuse, and the fact that such concealment of child abuse is institutionalized within the Mormon Church, IS an indictment. The fact that Mormons are now crawling out of the woodwork to bash James King for running this story is also an indictment.
Anyone in denial about the systematic concealment of child abuse within the Mormon church need only google "Mormon" and "child abuse" to get the picture. A Mormon bishop in SLC was indicted for failure to report less than a month ago. Days ago, a retired Mormon bishop pled guilty to several counts of child abuse for his pedophile activities while he was a bishop.
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09/13/2011 1:37:00 PM
It's Susan Brock wearing her Mormon temple underwear.
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09/13/2011 1:17:00 PM
How deep is your head up your ass? Can you still move your arms? Police need probable cause to perform a search or obtain a warrant. You don't need to meet the same test to report the sexual abuse of children. Dogbiter is correct. The police should have been notified immediately.
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yourproductsucks 09/13/2011 3:34:00 AM
Concealing and suborning pedophilia? An interesting hypothesis, yet it lacks any real evidence. This is where your bigotry and hatred shines through. Facts be damned, you jump to nefarious conclusions for the sole purpose of spreading hate and discontent.
You personify the cliche'- The end justifies the means.
I don't dispute that those who are responsible for this heinous crime are LDS, yet I can't jump to the same far reaching conclusion you have been able to contort to that the LDS Church somehow hid this crime in any way. Sure, I know, you'll point out the conversation that occurred a year prior in the Stake President's Office where the father of the victim asked Brock if she was having sexual relations with his son and that statement, all by itself condemns every person in the room. You are smarter than that, it's obvious in your posts, but you are one of the most morally bankrupt posters here.
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09/13/2011 2:55:00 AM
You obviously are unable to distinguish between an ethnicity and an organized religious institution. Your powers of reason suck.
The Mormon Church has brought shame upon itself by concealing and suborning pedophilia. Equally true of the Catholic Church. Stating this is not hatred, just iteration of exhaustively documented fact. The fact that Mormons are dogpiling on James King for running this story is a sad commentary. The Mormons posting here lack the moral fiber to confront the evil in their own church, where it lies; They would rather use bullying to enforce a public silence while the sickness in their church festers.
What good is religion, if it serves to conceal and protect base conduct which even the general public would not tolerate? The general claim is that religion holds its adherents to a HIGHER code of conduct, not a lesser one.
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yourproductsucks 09/13/2011 2:33:00 AM
What pie in the sky dreamworld do you live in? Ever hear of probable cause?
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yourproductsucks 09/13/2011 2:32:00 AM
You are right. The perverted attacks against this person when he was young and very impressionable obviously has had a very negative impact on his ability to act appropriately. I wonder if that had anything to do with the exposure he had in being treated inappropriately by a person that was held in a position of status and trust by his family.
This kid is obviously a mess. I am sure at least a measure of responsibility lies on the shoulders of his antagonizers.
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yourproductsucks 09/13/2011 2:20:00 AM
Your hatred only hurts you.
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Momofacts 09/13/2011 1:58:00 AM
Blow me,fruit cup..ignorance is bliss..do you wear the strechie,magic underwear too??
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yourproductsucks 09/13/2011 1:44:00 AM
I like turtles.
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yourproductsucks 09/13/2011 1:43:00 AM
There are many on here, posters and bloggers alike, who already know what you've pointed out. They still have no problem in ignoring these facts in order to further their agenda of hatred of all things conservative.
It is simply an example of the times we currently live in and the power and control of the adversary.
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yourproductsucks 09/13/2011 1:20:00 AM
Why is your hatred for a group of people any more acceptable, or different, than those you are so vocal against regarding the Hispanic population? You can obviously see the irony in your bigotry, can't you?
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yourproductsucks 09/13/2011 1:17:00 AM
I especially like your use of broad generalizations when describing a group of people. Religious bigotry is no more acceptable than homophobia or racial bigotry.
Thanks for playing, bigot.
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yourproductsucks 09/13/2011 1:03:00 AM
Lack of anonymity would change nothing regarding my credibility here but would certainly jeopardize my position at work. You wouldn't know me regardless.
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yourproductsucks 09/13/2011 12:55:00 AM
You obviously know nothing of Arizona Statutes.
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Jason 09/13/2011 12:02:00 AM
Probably after Candy's own indictment and perp-walk, Fulton will join the club at the prison with the MCSO shurf, Blimpie, Candy Andy, Aubuchon, Alexander, Fox and Black (who are known lovers, BTW)
The feds really need to step up and help Nazicopa County, NaziZona. Now. Then again, they said that there would be "results" stemming from the abuse-of-power investigation and convened GJ. It's been what, 3 years? Where are those results Mr. Holder? Get off your ass and get these sick, evil people indicted and jailed. Now.
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yourproductsucks 09/12/2011 11:33:00 PM
You profess to have been a cop once. Did you ever go to interview a suspect only to have the spouse/ parent/ significant other run static to prohibit or hinder your ability to complete the interview? Did you arrest those subjects for hindering your investigation for questioning your intentions and the scope of your search?
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yourproductsucks 09/12/2011 11:30:00 PM
If truth be told, she was asked if she was engaged in sexual relations with the boy and she said no. Being asked and being accused are not the same thing.
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Kenneth Thatcher 09/12/2011 10:17:00 PM
Dogbiter, The parents did talk with a police officer about their concerns, who planted the seed that molestation could be happening based on the grooming pattern. Before then, the parents had no idea that was a possibility. The officer also consulted with other knowlegable police supervisors (non Mormon) who agreed that at that time there was not enough information to investigate. The parents were given suggestions on how to discover information, such as the keystroke tracking program, Court order to stay away from their son etc. Until the victim was ready to talk, the premature investigation would not have gotten anywhere. Check with the Chandler Det. if you wish to confirm.
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Dumoudan 09/12/2011 9:27:00 PM
All Illegal aliens should be allowed to apply for work permits but only while they are outside the United States in their home countries.
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Dogbiter 09/12/2011 9:12:00 PM
The police should've been notified at the first hint of sexual abuse. Ask the Chandler detectives who handled the case. That is the law.
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Billyfav 09/12/2011 9:04:00 PM
AMEN!!!!!
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Kenneth Thatcher 09/12/2011 8:26:00 PM
Too bad all the facts are not presented. The family, gov't and church did not try to cover anything up. The family contacted a police officer for advice and there was no facts to support sexual crimes were being committed. Until they were able to get some facts, an investigation would not have stopped things. The victim denied anything was happening when confronted months before the text messages were found, so what else could have been done? NOTHING. Unfortunate, but the boy had learned how to manipulate his parents and was not ready to disclose any wrongdoing by Susan. Lucky the GF and her mom told the parents about the texts, or this never would have been reported and/or prosecuted. The Dad did the right thing by contacting the retired officer for advice once he had the text and email information, and then they facilitated making the report happen.
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09/12/2011 6:59:00 PM
Whats up with the weird painting?
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Dogbiter 09/12/2011 5:56:00 PM
Fulton, um Tim... If you're not Fulton, you/re an effen idiot. Anybody who has third-grade reading ability can see that Fulton should lose his job and probably go to jail in this cover-up. Tim, um Fulton, shut the fuck up!
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Tommy Collins 09/12/2011 4:48:00 PM
Tim, Fulton Brock sat in a meeting more than a year before his wife was arrested where she was openly accused of having molested the teenage male. She, of course, denied it, and then continued to 'see' him in spite of many attempts to stop her from doing so. Do you recall that tidbit?
At that point I would expect any man to be just a bit suspicious of his wife's activities. You can't say he didn't have a clue...
He was also an apparent conspirator when she was on the way to meet an attorney and was arrested. She had a list of questions written by him to ask the attorney. He got the attorney's name from Rick Romley, for a 'friend'.
He was also an apparent conspirator when he 'threatened' to call the MCSO to have them 'stop' the search incidental to the arrest and court issued search warrant.
You can wear your blinders if you want to, but all of the evidence indicates conspiracy in this case. The county attorney simply chose not to do anything about it.
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09/12/2011 4:24:00 PM
This is old news. Lets move on now. This is really getting old now.
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09/12/2011 3:38:00 PM
my church is waaaaayyyy more boring than this one.
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09/12/2011 3:31:00 PM
This story reflects what passes for logic and truth among you leftists. In no way does it show Fulton did anything, but try to salvage his life, wife and daughter when starting to learn something screwed up big-time had happened.
It's almost laughable how the party of apologists for everything, try their best to slur him and by extension, ole Sheriff Joe.
You can tell by the recording the jail conversation, that he didn't know what happened, sure as hell didn't want to really know, and was caught in the whirlpool his pedo-wife had dragged him into.
But none of that matters to the party of beggars and thieves, who are scared whitless over having their free ride end and want to tear down everyone and everything before that happens.
His wife and his daughter broke the law. There's no proof at all he did. Sorry if that spoils your fun.
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09/12/2011 12:43:00 PM
How about this little tidbit:
...county supervisor abused his powerful position within the community to obtain favors from Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio to ensure that certain conversations he'd had with his jailed wife as she prepared for a potential trial were not recorded by detention officers.
Right wing hero Sheriff Arpaio should be thrown in his own jail and forced to wear pink, like the common criminal he is.
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Tommy Collins 09/11/2011 4:25:00 PM
I assumed the intent of this article was to bring closure to an on-going criminal episode. Without this type of reporting we wouldn't have any idea the extent of the complicity of Mr. Brock, who portrayed himself as being the cheated upon victim, when in fact he conspired more than a year before his wife's arrest, with her.
After her arrest Mr. Brock conspired to hide evidence. He conspired to cut a deal of some sort.
He conspired to get special visitations with his jailed wife, from the Flaccid Fool of MCSO.
He conspired to try to get influential treatment from the governor, Mrs. Brewer.
That, Mr. Fisk, is why this story was told.
And, the irony of it all is, we don't yet know the whole story.
If you are a religious man, Mr. Fisk, pray hard for the souls of the four, or more, children involved in this mess. The adults involved don't deserve any prayer, in my opinion.
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Tommy Collins 09/11/2011 4:10:00 PM
What you don't realize is that FormerRepublican and I have worked with Chad Snow in the past on a number of different issues and I find him to be a very ethical and honest person who is passionate about how people are being treated. He and I will disagree on how his 'church' handled this issue, and that's ok. But I still have the utmost admiration for Chad Snow and respect him for who he is and I respect his opinion, as I do yours, yourproductsucks. No, I don't have a 'man crush' on Chad.... simply admiration as one man does any other person...
Chad only partnered with Randy Parraz to make the pearce recall a reality, which it is.
Have you given any thought yet to coming out of the closet and posting under your real name? I would find that admirable and it would certainly give some credibility to your postings.
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Momofacts 09/11/2011 4:01:00 PM
Benjamin Fisk..if you are responding you to have read this article in this filth filled rag..having lived in the heart of Mormon country I know how lds members think..becuz they are so controlled in there religious life they have to live vicariously through outside sources and stories..mOst of the mormons I know well are gossips of the highest order and love to talk or READ about sensational or lurid topics..so dont try to act all goody goody after the fact(ie reading every morsel of this story)with great attention to detail I'm sure..one interesting fact I have learned recently,do you know what state and city has the highest membership to online porn services is...wait for it.... Salt Lake City,Utah..google it if you doubt me..so what does that tell you?well it tells me that there is alot of closeted pervs in what is the highest concentration of LDS membership anywhere in the world..nuff said!
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Tommy Collins 09/11/2011 3:59:00 PM
I treated Mr. Brock as a 'victim' until I read that he knew about the allegations, did nothing about them, and then conspired to protect his wife, and very likely his daughter. At that point he moved from being a husband who has been cheated on to the role of a conspirator. He seems to have been very complicit in the attempt to hide or minimize the criminal activity involved.
I do feel very badly for both daughters of the Brocks, however. And yes, I think the young man is truly a victim, as well.
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Tommy Collins 09/11/2011 3:51:00 PM
Nicely stated. Thanks for your perspective.
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Tommy Collins 09/11/2011 3:48:00 PM
Interesting spin you put on my comment. By definition a person who has SEX with a child and is convicted is considered a pedophile. My comment was not intended to advocate teenage sex with adults. Thank you for your concern.
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Yourproductsucks 09/10/2011 8:03:00 PM
She got the money from lesbians.
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09/10/2011 7:25:00 PM
When before or after he's indicted,and who's going to do the indicting the corrupted state govenment or the corrupted federal government?
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Jason 09/10/2011 6:16:00 PM
You're right. I'm sorry.
Maybe Candy Andy can indict Fulton for corruption....
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MyGAWD 09/10/2011 4:24:00 PM
That drawing of Susan in her special clothes is making hot. Would you draw her boobies a little more droopy and have puanch a little more flabby?
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09/10/2011 4:05:00 PM
that boy was a cheap date
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TeoBuneo 09/10/2011 3:40:00 PM
She is a zealous defender of children who has seen these same actions by your church elders all over the country, I think she is entitled to hold those opinions if this is church policy around the world. Just as you and sucks are to your opinions as devout members who will protect your church from any attack. I also expect there will be a call for making laws even stricter for non reporting by persons of authority as named in the statute if this story goes viral.
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Crimsnhalo 09/10/2011 11:40:00 AM
Folton Brock should be in Jail as well. He is a liar and should also be removed from his position.
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Makolne3 09/10/2011 10:17:00 AM
Man, what a couple of whores. I wish I could have poked them before they were locked up.
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Dirrtychandler 09/10/2011 9:04:00 AM
That's Chandler for ya. The whole place is a rapey, in-bred mess.
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John Lewis 09/10/2011 7:31:00 AM
There is no law against releasing the name of sex abuse victims. It is merely a courtesy the press sometimes gives to such people. In this case, the kid deserved to be named. He reveled in his relatinship with this woman andher daughter. Wherewerehis fucking parentsin this?
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Momof2 09/10/2011 1:06:00 AM
For goodness sakes he was 10 years old when she began to groom him and 13 when the abuse started. What kind of callous individual does not recognize the horror of this? Who in their right mind can blame the child? He is 18 now but he wasn't 18 over the last 8 years when all of this was happening. Do you honestly fail to understand the pain it causes to tell a child that it is their fault? With school bullying and kids hurting themselves or even killing themselves on the rise, how can every parent not demand that these children be left alone? This article is bullying at its worst. Whatever the Mormon Church's culpability in this, it has nothing to do with revealing the identities of the kids who were hurt. Attack the church all you want, but leave the kids alone.
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Engerporty 09/10/2011 12:56:00 AM
Well, let me stand up and say this victim seems like one helluva turd himself. What a slew of creepy people.
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Momof2 09/10/2011 12:49:00 AM
I am an Atheist and I never even met a Mormon until a year ago. What is your point Mistalee?
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09/10/2011 12:40:00 AM
Please explain to me why I should respect an organization that covered up child abuse by the wife of a powerful politician/priesthood holder.
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09/10/2011 12:25:00 AM
Hilarious, all the Mormons shedding crocodile tears over the callous printing of the sordid details, and how it must hurt the victims.
Guess what? The pervs aren't the ones writing for the New Times, they're the ones in your fucking church leading you in prayer and suborning the sexual abuse of children.
The real humiliation has already happened to the victims. YOU are the ones butthurt now, because the facts of this disgusting affair humiliate you and your church. As well they should.
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09/09/2011 11:48:00 PM
I'm a pagan and it's still some fucked up shit.
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09/09/2011 11:47:00 PM
You know, this could have been stopped a long time before it became public if all the mandated reporters had done their jobs. You know, the school officials, the bishops, the stake president, the parents of the victim and Fulton Brock, who was husband of one perpetrator and father of another. By statute, they're all mandated reporters--yes, even the parents--yet not a single one reported this to the police. Instead, it was cover up, cover up, and cover up some more. I feel bad for the young man, but had the ADULTS in this situation done what they SHOULD have done in the first place, this could have been stopped much sooner. But they did not. Why these people aren't being indicted is beyond me.
Edited to add: what should be abundantly clear to LDS readers is this: if your child is sexually abused by someone who has connections to power, you should not expect justice, just cover ups by the priesthood authorities. Sick.
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09/09/2011 11:32:00 PM
I think the only opinion expressed in this article full of facts, is the question, Why hasn't Fulton Brock, the high school personnel, the LDS bishops, the LDS stake president and any other adult person who knew about this (including the parents of the victim) not been prosecuted as accessories to child abuse? Granted, James King doesn't spell it out as bluntly as I'm doing here, but that's the question. And, yeah, if you go and look at the Arizona law on the subject, every one of those groups named above are mandated reporters.
It's really amazing to me how the LDS Church can come positively stark staring unglued over the possibility of gay and lesbian persons getting married, but when it comes to child abuse, something we KNOW damages children and young people, nothing happens. Nothing.
(For the record, I resigned my membership over the Church's interference in the referendum process in California and Arizona. Good thing I'm not associated with an organization that apparently has no problem with pedophilia when practiced by the wife of an influential member.)
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Dogbiter 09/09/2011 11:31:00 PM
Some insurance companies do. But that's hardly the point, which is that he asked her if she had, fearing that he wouldn't get the money. Sure he was a victim when he was a young teenager. No doubt. But it seems he came to like all the loot she was lavishing on him. Did you even read the story? I doubt it.
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Dogbiter 09/09/2011 11:28:00 PM
Please! Promoting kiddie porn. Are you smoking the pages of the Book of Mormon. Moms? This all came out of public records. Did you see all the loot this kid got out of Susan Brock -- a $4,000 ring, among all those expensive guns. Plus the promise of the insurance settlement, when she told him she might kill herself. He didn't exactly acquit himself admirably by asking her if she had written it over to him yet. Also, he's 18. Also, he had nude photos of other females all over his phone. Just saying...
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Momof2 09/09/2011 11:15:00 PM
James King, his Editor and the owner of the New Times are perverts promoting Kiddie Porn and should be held criminally responsible if any of the child victims hurt themselves as a result of this total humiliation. Notice that no other reputable news organization names any of the victims or their families because only this one lacks ethics, and you can't blame that on anyone but James King, his Editor and the owner. No matter what the crime, the victims deserve better and at the very least some privacy to heal from such a horrific and painful ordeal.
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09/09/2011 10:38:00 PM
Insurance companies don't cover for suicide. Jared didn't write the last comment and Paul was a minor when this happened so he was a victim starting at age 13.
