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04/12/2012 1:39:00 PM
Wouldn't Leftists prefer a bad mormon to a good mormon? I'm confused.
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03/22/2012 10:01:00 AM
One thing I see a lot of commenters missing here is that the Mormon church isn't promoting illegal immigration. From what I understand, they are supporting immigrants (legal or not) who are already living in the United States, many of whom were brought to the US by their parents (legally or not). My opinion is that these immigrants ought to have an opportunity to educate themselves and become citizens, but Romney won't even recognize those immigrants.
I respect that Romney hasn't brought religion into his politics, but I think it's important that people shouldn't blindly vote for someone simply because he's Mormon.
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03/21/2012 5:24:00 AM
Great article Steve. Romney needs to be called out on his immigration stance. In a 2007 (approx.) interview with Tim Russert, he was much closer to Perry's position. I am assuming that once he gets past the Nastea Party crazies and gets the nomination, he'll drift back toward the center. That would truly be a good time to flip flop on the immigration issue. Without a good showing from the Hispanic vote, the Repubs are dead in 2012.
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03/20/2012 6:38:00 PM
The LDS is playing with fire. The Utah Compact is an insult to all legal immigrants and citizens. Their effort to torpedo Russell Pearce in the recall and replace him with open borders and amnesty advocate Jerry Lewis was a disgrace. If they stand with La Raza racists then they stand against law-abiding Americans, and will face a boycott in the near future.
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Larrymoore 03/10/2012 11:53:00 PM
If adolpho lead them by reading the book of mormon to them then he led them straight to hell.
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Richardblackmore58 03/07/2012 6:25:00 PM
You see this every time economic times get bad. Pick a group, often hard-working and basically non-harmful to the society. Pick one that looks different, that speaks differently, and which has no economic or political power... then demonize them. Worked great with the chinese, japanese, blacks... and hispanics too it seems. Go after the ones commiting violent crimes, not the average person who is hard working. Unless you want your food, housing, to go way up in cost lets do what we have done before... raise the number allowed in with green cards.
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Jesus Cristo de Tijuana 02/29/2012 5:34:00 PM
Gustavo Arellano, Steve Gallardo, Nicky Diaz Santillan, La Raza and all of us brown skin Mexicans presently occupying "El Norte", need to return to Mexico and help set up a population control program to help us stop having so many babies that we can't take care of them. It is disgraceful that we have to export our own brown skin people because we can't afford them here in Mexico. We can do this. Will you join us and Gustavo Arellano?
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02/29/2012 3:23:00 PM
Mitt Romney does not have an anti-immigrant stance. He is against ILLEGAL Immigration. Rewarding law breakers is wrong to almost all LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and many who were born here. Now is the time to care for our citizens 1st.
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02/29/2012 2:37:00 PM
It's good to see what the liberal / progressive movement is being reduced to...hate. Oh, and cluelessness.
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02/29/2012 3:38:00 AM
'Bad Mormon: Mitt Romney's Anti-Immigrant Stance Doesn't Jibe with LDS Teachings"
He's NOT anti-immigrant, he's anti-criminal.
Illegal is illegal, plain and simple. When will you bleeding hearts learn that criminal activity is illegal?
Entering into ANY country without proper documentation is ILLEGAL. That makes anyone who does such a thing a CRIMINAL.
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Matt 02/29/2012 3:09:00 AM
I know that immigration is a touchy subject, and when you mix in religious viewpoints it can become volatile. A scripture from the Doctrine and Covenants 58:21, explains how to keep the two separate. "Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land." This is why church leaders, uphold being here legally.
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02/29/2012 2:21:00 AM
how would anyone use his religion to bad mouth him about his stance on immigration. i think its a good stance, honestly, we need to put a halt on immigration until we can get our finances in order. why should we allow them to come in, if we cant afford to support the ones that are already here
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02/28/2012 8:37:00 PM
If you check Mitt Romney's record when he was the governor of Massachusetts (predominately Liberal state) many of his programs would be considered evil by the GOP. In fact his healthcare plan that he put into play now only leaves about 6% of the population in that state without healthcare. He has to flip flop on this subject because he has to win over the entire GOP. I would keep out religion from Romney, he is a Mormon, but has he once used his religion to back his arguments? Compared with those other dopes in the GOP he actually believes in the Separation of Church and State.
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Jesus Cristo de Juarez 02/28/2012 5:53:00 PM
Help end the illegal Mexican occupation of the United States of America. Vote for candidates that support deportation and not pathway to citizenship. It is the only way to prevent the total destructiom of the US.
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02/28/2012 4:52:00 PM
"Nativist?" Got bias?!?
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02/28/2012 12:26:00 PM
"bad Mormon" hmm now would the press say "bad Muslim"?? Or bad Luthern? etc I find it interesting that they would use the teerm Mormon at all!!!
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02/28/2012 5:58:00 AM
Nobody sees the difference between anti-ILLEGAL immigration and anti-immigration? Wow, stupid reporter. Bad headline. Romney is pro LEGAL immigration and has said so repeatedly.
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02/28/2012 3:03:00 AM
Don't Ask, Don't Tell! Since believers always end up being stuck rationalizing away the walk and the fruit of their candidate who always manages to insult the God & religion they claim to adhere to why do we even allow religion into our electoral process? Separation of church and state?
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Jed Dorman 02/28/2012 2:04:00 AM
Jesus, what a fucking lamebrain! You have no idea what constitutes libel, much less what the Mormon church preaches. Did You even read the freakin' story, dope? It's filled with facts, not your stupid opinion. Of course, his policies are against the doctrine of the LDS. You know what... go fuck yourself along with all your natavist butt buddies!
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02/28/2012 12:39:00 AM
Blah blah blah! You can ramble all you want about why you feel we're not Christian, but I know in my heart that we are. Jesus Christ also knows it. That's all that matters. And I don't believe I read the part of the article that discussed this matter, so why are you wasting your energy on it now? Oh, to take your chance to take a stab at my religion? Oh, okay, got it.
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So Tired of This 02/28/2012 12:38:00 AM
I think it's pretty sad that all these Mormons believe in breaking the laws of our country. Illegal immigration is a crime just as much as murder. Illegal is illegal and going along with it makes these people just as guilty as the ones who are here illegally. Are the Mormons taking care of their medical bills and all their expenses? I hope so, because I'm tired of my tax dollars taking care of them when we could be helping true USA citizens who need the help.
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02/28/2012 12:36:00 AM
I'm LDS and I will tell you what is against LDS teachings: breaking up families. If someone is illegal and has children here, the children are legal. But if the illegal parent "self-deports" or is deported and the children remain here, the family is separated. That IS against LDS advisement/teachings. We've had many politicians (LDS/nonLDS) who are all about getting rid of illegals - even if it meant breaking up families. Russell Pearce (who is LDS) was one of them. That is why even though Mitt and Russell happen to belong to the same faith as me, I do not have faith in them when it comes to this issue.
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02/28/2012 12:34:00 AM
Any mormon who disagrees with the prophet is a bad moromon. Even if the arrogant old man says build a huge overlit temple next to a conservation park - and destroy the eco-system. If Romany can disagree, maybe he wouldn't sell out voters to the vile hierargchy in SLC. I'd like to be able ot vote for him, but I don't trust morons not to ignore constituents on favor of 'the word of god'
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02/28/2012 12:32:00 AM
This Mormon isn't voting for Mitt.
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02/27/2012 10:10:00 PM
either way im tired of being bothered in twos at my door talking fantasies about some smith guy who obviousy ate some mushrooms and began having illusions.
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02/27/2012 9:53:00 PM
Sweet jesus! I'll save you all a bunch of time by saying the net of the above post is "Mormonism is not christian".
Fricking comment system needs a max-bs field
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02/27/2012 9:41:00 PM
Dear Phoenix New Times,
Before posting this absolutely APPALLING contradiction to so called "mormon" doctrine, maybe your trivial newspaper should get your facts straight regarding LDS or Mormons' adherence to the "laws of the land." Having posted this drivel as "fact" regarding Mitt Romney is libelous, an absolute lie and smacks of an anti-mormon agenda. Furthermore, Mitt's stance on illegal immigration is not in contradiction to Mormon teaching, as stated before that Mormons believe in "obeying the law of the land."The last time I checked, illegal immigration from any ethnic group, be that group Chinese or LATINO, is against the law. Get your facts straight and present the story on Mitt's stance as factual, not subjective or pejorative. No wonder newspapers are a dying media... you don't print anything factual and all you want to do is conjure up contraversy instead of simply "stating the facts". Piss poor journalism on Stephen Lemons part, the author of this article. Fie on him and Fie on your newspaper for printing and presenting such a steaming pile of dog manure!
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Poor Johnny 02/27/2012 8:56:00 PM
Spare us the exhausting anti-Mormon rant. If you don't like Mormons, don't be one. They probably wouldn't like you anyway.
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Twoterpilot 02/27/2012 7:09:00 PM
the church of jesus christ of latterday saints states in the articals of faith, "We belive in being subject to Kings, presidents, rulers,and magistrates, in OBEYING, honoring, and sustaining the law." the bad mormons are the Illigal immigrants! not someone who is simply saying obey the laws.
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02/27/2012 6:58:00 PM
To say that someone is a "Bad Mormon" because they want the laws of our country enforced is foolish. If Romney was encouraging others to commit illegal acts then that would be considered contrary to his church teachings. As some have already mentioned it is beneficial for everyone if immigrants come to the US legally. That way the immigrants can enjoy the full benefits of being a US citizen. I'm not saying that legal immigration is not challenging, but frankly it should be. Immigrants of days past that had to work to be citizens took pride in their American citizenship while bringing their unique culture to meld with ours. It is not fair to every other person in the world who wants to come to America and some just sneak in.
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Dane 02/27/2012 6:47:00 PM
~Mormonism Not Christian
Mormonism [Church of Latter Day Saints] is not Christian is because it denies the doctrines
of Christianity. Mormonism denies that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh,
forgiveness of sins is by grace, Jesus rose from the dead physically.
God, One of Many Gods, is An Exalted Man, Who is Married with Many Wives
Mormonism teaches that God is a an exalted man, that he used to be a man on another
planet and he is only one of countless gods and that God is married and he brought one
of his wives to this world and produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth.
God Had Sex with Mary
Mormons say God had sex with Mary and produced Jesus! According to Mormonism there
was no virgin birth. "The Father came down from heaven...and begat the Savior of the World;
for He is the Only Begotten of the Father which could not have been if the Father did not
actually beget him in person...The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of
our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood." (Brigham
Young, Journal Of Discourses, Vol. 1 page 238 and8:115)
Man Can Become God
Mormons believe that man can become God! "The Lord created you and me for the purpose
of becoming Gods like Himself." Brigham Young (Journal Of Discourses 3:93).
Jesus Was A Polygamist
The reason people "persecuted Jesus Christ, was because he had so many wives; there were
Elizabeth and Mary, and a host of others." [Journal of Discourses, Vol 1. ppl 345-346] "The
Scripture says the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not know who they
were, unless his wives and children." Brigham Young [Journal of Discourses,Vol.13.pg309]
Jesus and Satan Are Spirit Brothers
Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers. [Journal of Discourses, 93:21]
Salvation through Joseph Smith
"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God
without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the
certificate of Joseph Smith." [Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289-91]
The Bible Is Not Infallible and Is Not Reliable
Mormons teach that the Bible has many errors and is unreliable and was corrupted in
translation and it is not infallible.They believe their Book of Mormon is God's Word. It is
“the most correct of any book on earth and the keystone of our religion." Joseph Smith
Polygamy Marriages in Heaven
Mormon’s believe that you can be married to many wives in Heaven.
Baptism for the Dead
Mormon's baptize people in water on behalf of dead people for the forgiveness of their sins.
Mormon's Holy Underwear
Mormons have a Temple Ceremony where the person is given "Mormon
Underwear" that is to protect them against the Evil One.
Joseph Smith, Mormon Founder, Met Jesus
In 1820 Mormon founder Joseph Smith was 14 years old and he said God the Father and
Jesus met him outside of New York. Three years later he said an Angel named Moroni
inspired him to write the Book of Mormon, which is "another Bible" and "new revelation" of
Jesus Christ and it is about an ancient people who came from the middle east to the
Americas. The Mormons follow 2 other books, Doctrine & Covenants & Pearl of Great Price.
Joseph Smith Met John the Baptist
In 1829 Joseph Smith said John the Baptist appeared to him and ordained him.
Christians Are All Wrong...Their Creeds Are An Abomination
Joseph Smith said, Christians were "all wrong... all their creeds were an admonition."
Joseph Smith Greater Than Jesus
Smith said, "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has
ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam...Neither Paul,
John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I"
Joseph Smith:"I Am Impregnable...God is My Right Hand Man"
Smith said, "The whole Earth shall bear me witness that I, like the towering rock in the
midst of the ocean, am impregnable...I combat the errors of ages... I solve mathematical
problems of universities, with truth, diamond truth; and God is my right hand man...
you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves,"
Brigham Young, Mormon's 2nd Prophet, Creates New Scriptures
Young said, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out that they may not call
Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good a scripture"
Mormon Polygamy
After 1852, when the Mormon Church was openly practicing polygamy, the leaders of the
church were declaring that it was absolutely essential for exaltation. A revelation given by
Joseph Smith, "Ten virgins given unto him [Solomon] by this law, he cannot commit
adultery...therefore is he justified."
Joseph Smith A Polygamist...An Adulterer...and A Pedophile
Joseph Smith had 33 wives! He married several who were married to other men." Nancy
Marinda Johnson married Joseph Smith while her husband, Orson Hyde, was on a
mission to Jerusalem." Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner, the wife of Adam Lightner,
said that Joseph claimed an "angel" came with a "drawn sword" and told him that if
he did not enter into polygamy "he would slay him."
Joseph Smith's youngest wife, Helen Mar Kimball, was 14 years old!!!!
Joseph Smith Wife Damned If She Doesn't Accept Polygamy
Joseph Smith prophesied his first and only legal wife Emma would be damned
or destroyed if she did not accept polygamy (Doctrine & Covenants 132).
Brigham Young 55 Wives and 57 Children
Brigham Young, the 2nd Prophet of Mormonism had 55 wives and 57 children!!
Must Commit Polygamy to Become Gods
Brigham Young said, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are
those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11,269) "If you want to
become a god one day you must violate the already given law of God now.
"[Doctrine and Covenants132 Verses 62-63]
Must Commit Polygamy or You Will Be Damned and Not Enter God's Glory
"He that abideth not this law (polygamy) can in no wise enter into my glory, but
shall be damned, saith the Lord." (D&C,132:27). "Now if any of you deny the
plurality of wives, I promise that you will be damned." Brigham Young
Mormonism is Not Christian
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02/27/2012 6:32:00 PM
I was speaking in generalities. Here in Texas we have the same types of complaints and in general those who make such statements do not mow their yards, do not take care of their children day to day, do not do their own house work etc. These are the observations I note in my daily walks in my hood. They are the same people who complain and sport TEA party yard signs. Of course if bryan responds he can tell us if he mows his yard and does his own housework as I do.
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Jesus Cristo de Nogales 02/27/2012 4:58:00 PM
VERY URGENT NEWS ALERT: All of us readers of the Newtimes rag need to join Gustavo Arellano and Steve Gallardo in denouncing their stay in the US. Come with us, my brown skinned occupiers of "El Norte" and return to Mexico and take over the country from the pale skin descendants of the colonial masters. Let the brown people take over their contry of Mexico. Are you with us my fellow occupiers?? That is real news that the Newtimes needs to cover!
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02/27/2012 4:54:00 PM
I'm sorry...how do you know he won't mow his lawn, clean his toilet, or is obese? Not to say that bryan isn't being a bit ignorant with his statement but well...you two are at opposite ends of the spectrum and you've both made yourselves look petty and uneducated.
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02/27/2012 4:52:00 PM
I don't see how him separating his religious views from his political views makes him a "bad Mormon". The separation of church and state is what this country was founded on! Aside from that, having a different political stance from his religions official views does not make him a "wayward saint". A lot of my friends and family feel the same way (and we're LDS or Mormon) about illegal immigration, that's not to say we don't want immigrants in the U.S.A. per se, we just want them to do it legally. Admittedly it's a difficult process but it's only so very difficult because of the steps taken to prevent illegal immigration! Legal immigration benefits everybody and like it or not, illegal immigrants are criminals and while many of them are basically good hard working people the fact that they're here illegally poses serious problems to legal residents of this country. Regardless however, to call Romney a "bad Mormon" simply for doing what is best for the country without catering to his own religious views is completely asinine.
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02/27/2012 4:06:00 PM
bryan-this is the attitude that makes me stay away from AZ. Those leaches as you call them mow your yard (as you won't get off your fat ass) and they clean your toilets and cook your fast food that contributes to your obesity.
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02/27/2012 3:53:00 PM
What part of "illegal" and "legal" don't all you fools understand? I am sick of all these illegal leaches sucking this country dry!
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02/27/2012 2:26:00 PM
are news reporters dumb? yes. romney is not anti immigrant, he is anti illegal immigrant. big difference.
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Myoffice 02/27/2012 4:16:00 AM
Feelin' sorry for you homie. Ya just don't get it do ya. Guess ya think Jesus is dead & nothing comes after. What a cramped brain.
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02/27/2012 2:34:00 AM
What is wrong in being a Washington Insider? Insiders know better how the three coequal branches of our government works. Romney is applying to the top government job in which Santorum is better experienced and equipped to handle. Unlike Romney, Santorum has a national security and foreign affairs experience. Please read online about the Iran Freedom & Support Act & the Syrian Accountability Act which he authored in 2004. In this volatile world, we cannot afford to have a novice in international affairs (Romney) to be the leader of the free world. The MSM, pundits, the Establishment say to the American people that Romney "can turn the economy around." Nothing is further from the truth. A president cannot and will not create jobs or/grow the economy. A president cannot micromanage a private sector from the oval office. A president can create a healthy environment through a legislative process by the US Congress for a private sector to grow our economy and jobs. Romney is not a lawyer. But Santorum is. As a lawyer (Jurist Doctor) and successful legislature, Santorum knows how to deal with US Congress to create a healthy environment for a private sector. Romney is not an economist. He has MBA like Santorum. The base of the Republican Party doesn't want Romney because of Romney-care, his flip-flops on gay marriage, abortion, net tax increases & appointing liberal judges as Governor of Massachusetts, his negative attacks to tear down his fellow republican candidates by distorting their records. He received earmarks for Utah Olympics and projects in Massachusetts but accuse Santorum for earmarks. He was and is for No child Left behind Program but again accuses Santorum who already regretted for his previous vote. Santorum has a principle. He was candid in the last debate in regretting about his vote for NCLP (although the program was supported by 400 House members and 90 Senators and the majority of the american people). I do not know if Romney has any core value. He has not shown any regrets for Romney care. He still believes in it. We do not need a federal or state government to be in control of our health insurance and tell us what medicine, we should or not buy & take, who should be sterilized, be euthanized, etc. Romney distorts Santorum's truthful statement to just get votes. Ronald Reagan ended up having a liberal justice in the Supreme Court. The Republican Party has pro-life & pro-choice members in its ranks. Allen Specter, due to his seniority, could influence the outcome of the vote for the now Chief Justice Roberts & Justice Alito. He had great influence with even the democrats in the Senate Judiciary Committee. In the best interest of the conservative cause, Santorum and George . Bush helped Allen Specter's reelection over Pat Toomey with the full knowledge that Specter (due to his seniority as (Chairman of the Judiciary Committee) would help in having others vote for two conservative judges to be in the Supreme Court. This was not for Santorum's personal gain. If conservatives and all other patriot Americans do not stop Romney from distorting other candidates records for temporary political gains, it will set a bad precedent that will drive honest and genuine individuals from seeking the highest office in the land. If the Senators' vote for their salary increases were/are wrong, the best thing to do is to make it illegal.Having a negative ads against Santorum for something done legally in order to create suspicion in the minds of the voters shows dishonesty and narcissistic character on the part of Romney. Santorum left the Senate at the end of 2006.He has been in a private tech company since then. Increasing a debt ceiling prior to the last summer was simply a routine thing to do and did not reach a crisis stage like now. Had Romney been successful in in his quest for the Senate seat in 1994, he would have voted the same. Knowing the current sensitivity of Americans about debt ceiling & the deficit, he attacks Santorum to juts get our votes by misinforming the voters. Romney thinks that we may not have long memory to see things in their contexts. Romney's consistent strategy is to exploit the American people's hatred of Obama care and other policies to his advantage by attacking BHO for BHO"s perceived or/and real policy failures to get nominated by diverting the public's attention from his flawed records. Can we trust this pretender-in-chief with anything?
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02/27/2012 2:21:00 AM
Great i'll tell you all you need to know about them!! They are sacred to us and are worn to remind us of the covenants we made with God, they also remind us to dress appropriately, as well as protect us from Satan. Mormons wear them with pride just as most priests and sisters wear their "garments" on the outside of their clothing in other churches.
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02/27/2012 2:14:00 AM
Awesome then I agree to the fact it should be legal to shoot you on sight! And trust you me I don't miss my mark!!!
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02/27/2012 2:13:00 AM
The LDS church believes in following all the laws of the land! Which is in our articles of faith.. Aricle of faith # 12 We believe in being a subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. Sanctuary of refugees from Central American civil wars was a movement in the 1980s. Part of a broader anti-war movement positioned against U.S. foreign policy in Central America, by 1987 440 sites in the United States had been declared "sanctuary cities" open to migrants from these civil wars in the Central America region. These sites included university campuses and cities. From the 1980s continuing into the 2000s, there also have been instances of churches providing "sanctuary" for short periods to migrants facing deportation in Germany, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland, Australia, the United States, and Canada, among other nations. In 2007, Iranian refugee Shahla Valadi was granted asylum in Norway after spending seven years in church sanctuary after the initial denial of asylum. Norwegian authorities will not, as a rule, enter churches to deport illegal immigrants. From 1983 to 2003 Canada experienced 36 sanctuary incidents. The "New Sanctuary Movement" organization estimates that at least 600,000 people in the United States have at least one family member in danger of deportation.
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02/27/2012 1:57:00 AM
Please do better research before sticking that disgusting foot into your mouth again!!! Jesus Christ is a member of the Godhead! The LDS church has something called the articles of faith the 1st article of faith states: We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in his son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. So next time you want to rattle on your complete nonsense then at least get your facts strait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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02/26/2012 11:17:00 PM
Romney has a stand regarding ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTION not immigrantion. There is a difference and most of the voters can differeniate between the two.
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02/26/2012 9:22:00 PM
Its a shame you indulge in such a mean dismissive attitude with people who do not agree with your nonsense. Faith doesn't come into play in how a politician represents his constituents??? What fucking plant have you been living on? Must be one of those other universes you and your wife are going to propagate in the afterlife! Have you ever watch Rick Santorum speak?? A good majority of his social policy is based on his Roman Catholic faith, and he makes not illusions otherwise! And while Romnuts is far more sly with how his faith (since most of mainstream American sees it as the homogenized cult that it is) dictates his policies, someone who believes Jesus walked around in North America and then had all of the Native Americans burned brown because they rejected him is somebody I wouldn't even put in charge of a donut shop! Nice try though.
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Myoffice 02/26/2012 7:59:00 PM
Great point supported by the recent crap given out by a judge FORCING a man into making Facebook retractions for 90 days or face jail & fine for saying non threatening and basic opinions on his personal Facebook page. Internet soon to be government controled to the fullest?
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GJ 02/26/2012 7:37:00 PM
It's a shame you are so immersed in indulgent stupidity and misunderstanding. A politicians serve their constituents, their faith are a basic foundation, voting their faith doesn't/isn't representing their constituents, the faith delineates their core. The writer of the article confuses this as well as yourself. You may not realize that all Christian faiths aren't cookie cutter & have their differences. By the way, that is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints & the Book of Mormon is another Testimony of Jesus Christ, so you might want to re educate yourself regarding the 24/7 faithful vs the 1hr on Sunday faithful. That so called cult is less a cult than even than some mainstream churches. Obvious Peterd is appropriately named.Obvious since this article has been sitting on Yahoo so long they can't find any real news, are Dems & need to stays centered versus left or right.
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02/26/2012 7:16:00 PM
This smith guy is one of the members? He had a criminal record for fraude. A criminal. I use to be like you. Thank God I got my brains back.
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Zo 02/26/2012 7:15:00 PM
One should remember there is no religious test to be President of the United States. One's religious beliefs should not matter and I find it sickening that the media looks at ones religion instead of the issues of economy, jobs, foreign policy etc.
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02/26/2012 7:14:00 PM
I will hate that cult for the rest of my life.
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02/26/2012 7:13:00 PM
They screwed my life. Their is NO christianity in the mormon cult. They believ that this Smith guy(with a criminal record) is better than Jesus. Children have to repeat over and over that their church(cult)is the only true church. Sad.
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02/26/2012 6:18:00 PM
Why won't the media report correct information? These people are against ILLEGAL immigration, not immigration. Report the whole story. Oh, and by the way media. Your position as a liberal on many things is absurd. You keep reporting nonsense and enough idiots will believe it. Once that happens, the government's hold on everything will continue to grow and eventually, because of the media, the government will control everything, INCLUDING YOU IDIOTS in the media. They will tell you what you can write and how to write it. Your course of action leads to the very thing that you hate, and that is people telling you what to do. GET A BRAIN
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02/26/2012 6:13:00 PM
You need to get your facts correct. We believe that Jesus in one of the members of the godhead, along with God the Father and the Holy Ghost. Do a little bit of research instead of relying on the lies of others to obtain your information.
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Jesus Cristo de Monterrey 02/26/2012 5:17:00 PM
VERY URGENT NEWS ALERT: All of us readers of the Newtimes rag need to join Gustavo Arellano and Steve Gallardo in denouncing their stay in the US. Come with us, my brown skinned occupiers of "El Norte" and return to Mexico and take over the country from the pale skin descendants of the colonial masters. Let the brown people take over their contry of Mexico. Are you with us my fellow occupiers?? That is real news that the Newtimes needs to cover!
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02/26/2012 2:04:00 PM
Mormons are not Christian. When you believe that Jesus is not part of the Godhead, when you believe that the god of this world is another being from another planet that achieved being a god, then Mormons are not Christian.
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02/26/2012 12:27:00 PM
Amazing how many lies can be packed into one pathetic LibRAT article. The R3tard News Times, the shytrag of all LibRAT filth, and their sick, diseased, lying minds, puking their spew habitually again. The shyt Romney took this morning has more value than every Mexican and RAT working at this dikkface lie machine propaganda spewing jerk-off fest. Fq You very much.
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02/26/2012 10:14:00 AM
Romney and Ron Paul are in cahoots ! Paul sold out ! It seems that
DON Corleone Romney made Ron Paul an offer that Paul couldn't REFUSE !
http://tinyurl.com/74cdcok
POWERFUL GENT IS MR. MONEY! But WE THE PEOPLE power is greater !
The sorry parts is: If the nomination is bought by Romney, he will loose to Obama.
There is no too much difference among them !
It was obvious and shameful to see how Romoney and Ron Paul teamed up in the Arizona debate (2/23/12 ) to atack Sanntorum several times! After the debate ( recorded on tape) , both Romney and Paul congratulate and patted each other TWICE. The voters SAW IT.
But Love can not be bought! Neither arizonian a or michiganders !
Santorum un-official campaign song! SPREAD….
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DON Williard Romney = The weather vane of politics. ! 32 CHANGES
http://tinyurl.com/6ttoxdn
Genial. enjoy !
In Rick Perry’s memorable phrase, Romney is a “vulture capitalist,”
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02/26/2012 4:08:00 AM
The God you choose is the God you deserve.
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02/26/2012 3:14:00 AM
NEW - COMPLETE COVERAGE OF EURO-BUREAUCRAZY CRISES vs 2012(2008) US ELECTIONS FRAUD !!! FIND OUT WHY HOPE DIES LAST(YOU) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtWCcCkBeYo
RECENT FLORIDA(will fluctuate, but same story elsewhere will repeat) VOTING POLES HAVE SHOWN MORMON ROMNEY AS LEADING CANDIDATE WITH 47% APPROVAL RATE(in reality 7% only), GINGRICH 32% (in reality 14%), SANATORUM 14% (reality 32%), AND RON PAUL WITH 7 % WHILE IN REALITY WAS THE HIGHEST AT 47% !!!
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WHEN TAKING IN CONSIDERATION RON PAUL(chameleon), PRESENTS THIS http://www.chron.com/news/article/Paul-Immigration-not-solved-by-barbed-wire-guns-2918313.php FACT WHICH BECOMES EXTREMELY BOTHERING ISSUE INVOLVING http://notethicsbutbutchery.blogspot.com/
US government consist of Obama alike lawyers(liars), Ron Paul alike doctors, and Gingrich/Sanatorum alike family members of affected(brain disease) individuals who have helped pass CRIMINAL bill against target whites. CRIME NO DIFFERENT FROM ROMNEY(Bush screwed US for Obama and now it's Romney's turn) WHOSE FATHER EXCELLED AFTER GM WAS DELIBERATELY BANKRUPT = AMERICA TODAY(soon to be success based on previous sabotage) !!
UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS 2012(2008) ARE FRAUD !!! VOID THEM AND DEMAND DAVID DUKE FOR USA PRESIDENT - NOW !!!
IT WILL BE FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE KENNEDY THAT YOU WILL ACTUALLY VOTE !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtWCcCkBeYo
& FAMOUS EURO-BUREAUCRAZY CRISES(Greece or burn baby burn)....
NOT THAT IT IS GERMAN OR EUROPEAN UNION'S FOLD FOR WHAT IS TAKING PLACE, BUT INSTEAD BUREAUCRACY BULLIES IN INDIVIDUAL STATES WHO LOVE TO PICK ON SMALL PEOPLE WITH IDEA TO TURN THEM IN DISSIDENTS FOR THEIR POLITICAL AGENDA (anti German-European sentiment is used or stereotyping to incite people in hatred toward own race/ethnicity/religion = Greece in flames and numerous people incarcerated throughout German prison system) WITH USE OF GENOCIDE PROCEDURES WHILE BEHIND OUR BACKS, CRIMINALS ARE SUGGESTING DURING THEIR BOGUS FINANCIAL CRISES HOW IT'S RIGHTISTS FOLD FOR EUROPEAN UNION TO FALL APART AND EVEN HOW THERE IS STILL HOPE(because YOUR hope people, dies last if you remember)...WE CAN STILL SAVE EUROPE(after they flooded Europe with third world population and cheap Chinese imports to turn you in jobless trash for the sake of NWO's multiculturalism = terrorism agenda, they dare to talk to you about hope - imagine this).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtWCcCkBeYo
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02/25/2012 9:11:00 PM
Actualy I enjoy talking to them when they come to the door. There is no reason to be rude.
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02/25/2012 9:10:00 PM
I think the major point was missed. Romney represents all people and the majority of people no longer are willing to pay for illegal immigrants. Yes we do want immigrants to come to our country but we want them to come legally. I have friends who are still waiting and others that are already here legally. Adolpho the best thing you could do is get in line like the rest of my friends. Remember we do want you here but we want you here legally.
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Jesus Cristo de Tijuana 02/25/2012 5:01:00 PM
Help end the illegal Mexican occupation of the United States of America. Vote for candidates that support deportation and not pathway to citizenship. It is the only way to prevent the total destructiom of the US. Hurry before it's too late.
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Markyurite 02/25/2012 1:34:00 PM
How are we going to get the truth about mormon's and their two sided views to the general public before this election?
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Dezzertguy 02/25/2012 7:56:00 AM
The issue is not immigration but rather illegal activity. What does the LDS say about criminal activity? If they agree with not following the law, then he would be out of step. Immigration is not the issue. The issue is illegal activity.
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02/25/2012 5:03:00 AM
Mormons are freaks. One of those POS knocked on my door the other day. It should be legal to shoot them on sight.....
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Paula 02/25/2012 12:53:00 AM
Wow, lots of bigotted people commenting today. Has it not occured to any of you to question the timing of all of these stupid articles? The Obama machine is in full swing around the country to discredit Romney and all of the other opponents to Obama and the American public just laps it up like it's breaking news.
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02/24/2012 11:55:00 PM
Chad, Wake up! They have been coming and bringing families for thirty years now. about six million have re-crossed the border and gone home, but that leaves thirty million here and most of them depend on our welfare system go stay here. They are not given homes per se, but are given welfare dollars to rent them. I live here on the border. I have challenged them in Mesa and Phoenix in their parades. I retired from the prison system and saw the numbers we had there. I had to review their criminal files as part of my job and was able to track their arrests and convictions. I interviewed them as to where they were born and so forth. I often had to re-act with their families. I found second generation hispanics raised in barios whom I had to speak to in Spanish, because they lived in their communities and never learned English. We had public Schools here in Tucson teaching classes in Spanish so that the kids never learned English! For quite a long while illegals were given free scholorsips at the U of A and ASU where as my kids either had legitimate scholorships of worked their way through! Ten or twelve years ago I remember reading a piece in the Tucson Daily Star about two brothers brought here by their parents, who lived on welfare. The boys went to the U of A and got degrees in engineering, but couldn't get jobs because neither were citizens! They didn't pay a cent for their college. I wrote the writer of the peice and told him that there were plenty of openings in Mexico for engineers. Undocumented persons whom have committed felonies are released on recogizance just as citizens are. They seldom show up for trial, but most always they re-offend. Schools are required by federal law to actually discover school age children and enroll them. My wife used to teach them! And one other thing I didn't mention . All aliens whom are convicted of felonies are supposed to be sent back to their country of origin. While I worked with the system, the Border Patrol would not pick them up! I understand that now they are being sent home, but even that is a pick and choose situation.
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Misllissa 02/24/2012 11:49:00 PM
So am I to understand that the LDS thinks it's OK to break the law? Than I guess that it is OK to break the Morman laws as well.
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Lopaka 02/24/2012 10:38:00 PM
As President of the United States, I would expect Mitt to do everything in his power to make sure the laws of this great country are enforced; on a personal level I would expect him to be fair, kind and generous to everyone with whom he has the opportunity to interact. If his stand to enforce the immigration laws makes him a 'Bad Mormon', then I've misinterpreted the teachings of my religion for more than 48 years.
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Adrian Cruz 02/24/2012 10:35:00 PM
You can't spell or use correct grammar. You should have brain changed.
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Chad Snow 02/24/2012 10:34:00 PM
wkb, great post. You summed up my thoughts exactly!
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Adrian Cruz 02/24/2012 10:30:00 PM
Hypocrocity? Thanks, for commenting, Governor Brewer.
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Chad Snow 02/24/2012 10:29:00 PM
Sarah, it's Mormon, not Morman.
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Chad Snow 02/24/2012 10:28:00 PM
Rex, you lost me at "there are thirty million of them here..." Your post is so full of untruths, that it can't be taken seriously. Illegals are given homes? Really? Undocumented felons are released from jail? Really? Schools are forced to go find illegal children? Really? Next time get your facts straight and then distort them as you please.
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LD19 Resident 02/24/2012 10:25:00 PM
Mitt Romney sounds a lot like corrupt and mentally sick Pearce in terms of immigration, and both are members of LDS.
I would like to point out, for the record, that I do not support illegal immigration. I do believe that America needs to make immigrating here easier. America is known as the Land of Opportunity for a reason.
I do not like or support Romney at all. When he was Massachusetts governor, he instituted an Obamacare-style healthcare law (something he now says he'd repeal if elected).
He allowed the Big Dig tunnel project to take place, which ran extreme deficits and was so poorly constructed that the roof of the tunnel collapsed, killing a woman (and his supporters say he would end job-killing policies).
He didn't bat an eye when the Station Nightclub caught fire, killing more than 100 people when a music atist decided to fire off live pyrotechnics inside the club. (If Mitt doesn't care about 100 people dying due to smoke inhalation, would you trust this guy with national security?)
Mitt also failed to properly inspect century plus old bridges when they started to collapse. (So much for Mitt supporting infrastructure jobs)
Yes, Mitt is someone I want in the White House. (Not)
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02/24/2012 9:25:00 PM
Mormon doctrine states that we believe in honoring and sustaining the law, and being subject to national leaders. United States law states that illegals are illegal. At present there are thirty million of them here living off the American taxpayer's dollar. In most cases these days it is not a solitary person who comes across the line. Children are broughtt as are wives, uncles and aunts and grandparents and neighbors. There may be one person in that extended family who works, but he is most often paid under the table so he pays no taxes. The rest are shown the nearest DES location where they are given food stamp cards, homes, and so forth. Schools are forced to go find the children and place them in our schools, lessening citizen's learning opportunities. They are told that if they need medical assistance to report to the nearest emergeny room, even if it's just for a cold. These people do little for the US, but they cost her a great deal! If they break the law (felonious law) they are usually released until triall, by which time they have dissapeared, only to appear later in the same court or another one on felonious charges. If prosecutors request holding them the judge says he or she has to treat them as if they were honest citizens. Roughly thirty percent of inmates in Arizona prisons are illegal. Nationally I understand it is higher. It costs them a minimum of a thousand dollars for a coyote to guide thtem into the country and the cost could be five thousand. If these people can round up that much money, it puts in askance why they are here? So far as I know, there is no church in the US who makes a point of refusing services to illegals and quite obviously the Federal Government chooses to violate the legally passed laws of the land. It would appear that some one has to re-educate Federal Law Enforcement as to Federal Law?
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Poor Johnny 02/24/2012 8:15:00 PM
You don't speak like a Mormon. Nobody calls the head of the Church, "Prophet Monson." But if you are, how about you either both learn how to spell and get in synch with the Church, or "dissolve" your membership in the Church and go join Westboro Baptist Church with the rest of the folks like you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
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Bill from SF 02/24/2012 7:35:00 PM
Sounds like you need to go back to Sunday School (or whatever LDS calls their equivalent), and pay attention this time. Spanish churches aren't there for segregation, unlike black and white churches in the leftover-Civil-War days, they're there because the members speak Spanish, and are more comfortable worshiping and having deeper-level conversations in their first language.
Maybe you took French or German in high school like I did - if you kept up with it, you can probably speak enough to find the train station and maybe order dinner, just as many of the immigrants speak enough English to do basic-labor jobs, but is it a language you can go to church in? I can get by with Spanish Catholic liturgy, because it's enough like Latin, but once the sermon starts, I'm lost, and talking with people over coffee after the service, which is an important part of American Protestant and Catholic churches, is also something I can't really do except in English.
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gues 02/24/2012 7:34:00 PM
People who are saying that Mitt Romney is a bad mormon. They are actually a bad mormon too because they don't have the right to condemn a person. God is the only person that is judge and jury. Politicians and people of the United States should never bring religion and politics together. People have a right to say what they think but don't condemn a person because of his beliefs.
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Sarah 02/24/2012 6:10:00 PM
Mitt is someone running for office who happens to be a Morman. He is NOT the leader of the Morman Church! Most of us have gone to church and feel we are a certain faith. However few of us follow every detail of that church's doctrine. And the Morman church does not say you have to agree with it's take on immigration to be Morman anyway! Get over it. He is doing what he feels is best for this country. Do you want a religious leader in office or someone who will try to work for the good of the country even if it is not exactly in line with everything their church suggests would be great to do. And if it were the other way around and the Morman Church said we should deport illegals you would say "Can't have Mitt on board he's a Morman". Your just looking for support in what you believe.
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Chris 02/24/2012 5:36:00 PM
As an LDS member I am offended Church leaders are aiding and abetting illegal aliens! It's time to dissolve the Spanish braches and wards! Segregation ended decades ago! I challenge Prophet Monson to end the hypocrocity NoW!!!
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Bacongreese 02/24/2012 3:50:00 PM
Who cares about "wetback Adolfo"? Apparently the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cared enough about him to send him on a mission, even though he's here illegally.
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Bacongreese 02/24/2012 3:48:00 PM
Jesus broke the law. Look where it got him. You might wanna check that bible of yours for the stuff about compassion, forgiveness, etc.
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02/24/2012 3:38:00 PM
It's just underwear with a remote vibrator... jesus has the controller... simple stuff, what else you want to know?
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02/24/2012 3:36:00 PM
Why is this garbage still here? We went over all this yesterday. It completely fails to distinguish between LEGAL and ILLEGAL. Who cares about wetback Adolfo?
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The Prophet 02/24/2012 1:40:00 PM
I don't care about the LDS stand on immigration. I want to know about the magic underwear.
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02/24/2012 1:31:00 PM
Romney isn't against immigration. He is against ILLEGAL immigration. Any illegal told their mission is in the United States could and should obey the laws of the land and return to where they came from. When back in their home country, they could ask to be sent into their own country to preach. This story is such a bunch of doo doo.
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02/24/2012 12:27:00 PM
Also , my bible say's OBEY THE LAWS OF THE LAND! BUT THATS MY KING JAMES VERSION.
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02/24/2012 12:25:00 PM
wHEN WILL PEOPLE REALIZE, these canidates will say what ever it takes to get elected! PERIOD!
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Seamore 02/24/2012 10:32:00 AM
When is the New Times going to stop whining about the poor ILLEGAL immigrants?! This "Rag" wants nothing more than to hand the United States over to the Illegal Mexicans with a giant bow and card attached! You USED to be a respectable paper that looked out for AMERICAN CITIZENS. What happened?!
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02/24/2012 5:42:00 AM
The headline is about Romney. But the story is about wetback Adolfo. If Romney is for LEGAL immigrants, then bravo! If Romney if for ILLEGAL immigrants, then BOO! The column's author does not seem to recognize the difference.
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02/24/2012 5:11:00 AM
Romney is not a "bad Mormon". He simply holds a political position that may appear to be in conflict with the Church's non-political humanitarian concerns. That's acceptable within the Church. The Church becomes involved in the political arena only when it judges that a moral, ethical, or family issue is involved. Many Mormons may find his political position on immigration different from their own, but to call him a "bad Mormon" is simplistic and inaccurate. Members of the Church are largely conservative as are members of many other religious organizations. but they do not constitue a voting block. I'm LDS, independent, and back the continuation of Barak Obama's presidency for another four years because I think that such a position is the most politically prudent to take at this point. Republicans are showing me nothing worthy of support and lack leadership skills. Immigration is screwed up beyond a quick fix and "self-deportation" is about the silliest concept I've heard so far. Brother Romney, however, is a good, practicing member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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Hatman709 02/24/2012 4:43:00 AM
You're a racist fuck!
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02/24/2012 3:21:00 AM
If Romney is as skillful and talented a businessman as he claims, why he does not see the nonsense of our current immigration policy? Why he does not see the shallowness of the anti-immigration rhetoric? He claims that he will support entrepreneurship in America, and out of the other side of his mouth he promises to chase out illegal immigrants instead of assimilating them. He cannot do both. Instead of finding a creative way to resolve our almost one hundred year old problem, in his political declarations Romney mindlessly follows an angry mob which is almost literally craving for the blood of illegal immigrants. He is not a leader, at least on this issue. More at: http://www.freedomofmigration.com/
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02/24/2012 2:06:00 AM
He's not Anti-Immigrant. He's Anti-Illegal Immigrant.
Fix your headline, and stop misleading the sheeple.
For those morons that don't understand the difference, please don't vote or breed. Ever.
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Borman_999 02/24/2012 12:55:00 AM
Clearly, most people who have posted on this article are too stupid to live. Try reading the fucking article, lamebrains... It says Mitt Romney is grossly out of step with the church he prides himself in belonging to. He's phony. Get it? Sigh... probably not. Most of you snuffys can't read, apparently.
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Dogbiter 02/24/2012 12:52:00 AM
Cracker moron alert!
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Dogbiter 02/24/2012 12:51:00 AM
Idiot alert!
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Dogbiter 02/24/2012 12:50:00 AM
Idiot alert! What a cornball response, cornball.