Local Latino Activists Target Unlikely Politician

An army of political volunteers — mostly Latino and liberal — has descended on Maricopa County, campaigning hard against conservative candidates, from Sheriff Joe Arpaio to presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

And at least one Mexican-American Democrat: state Senator Robert Meza of West Phoenix.

Leaders in Arizona's Latino community are demanding not just more, but better representation.

State Senator Robert Meza raised nearly $50,000 for the Arizona Kidney Foundation during a dance competition.
State Senator Robert Meza raised nearly $50,000 for the Arizona Kidney Foundation during a dance competition.

Some of those volunteers — undocumented and U.S.-born students and seasoned activists — are part of a group dubbed Team Awesome, which played a pivotal role in Phoenix politics last year. Buoyed by their success, they're back this year to keep Obama's face in the White House and change the face of the Arizona Legislature. Even if that means getting rid of a brown face.

They simply don't believe Robert Meza is fighting hard enough for their causes or his constituents in Legislative District 30.

Meza has missed too many legislative sessions or votes, supported bills that play into the anti-immigrant frenzy that lawmaking nativists have created at the Legislature, and allegedly misused campaign funds, his critics say.

The senator is eager to explain away the political barbs his opponents are lobbing at him in a primary race that will be decided August 28 (early voting begins August 2).

He is campaigning hard, but if he doesn't win a sixth term in the Arizona Legislature, he says, it simply means the universe has different plans for him.

During the past decade, Meza faced little to no political opposition; West Phoenix was all his. But this year, he's facing a formidable challenger — Raquel Teran, a 34-year-old community organizer with energy, dogged volunteers, the backing of local labor unions, and endorsements from politicos such as U.S. Representative Raul Grijalva, state Senator Steve Gallardo, and former state Senator Alfredo Gutierrez.

Meza and Teran are vying to represent a predominantly Hispanic district that runs roughly from Interstate 10 to Dunlap Avenue, and from 19th Avenue as far west as 67th Avenue.

Both are Democrats. Both are Latinos. And both say they support issues important to the Latino community. The difference is that Meza has had about a decade to grow deep roots in West Phoenix. But apparently he didn't grow them deep enough.

Tony Valdovino, who is leading Teran's campaign volunteers, says there is a strong perception in the community that Meza has been absent.

"I don't support him because he has never been there for the community as a whole," he says. "We're knocking on doors. People are surprised he's been there for 10 years. No one knows him."

Meza made a name for himself in the world of nonprofits, where he's worked as a fundraiser since the early '90s. He helped raise money for Friendly House, a social-services organization, and later worked as financial development director for Chicanos por la Causa, a nonprofit that offers housing and social services. He resigned in 2009, and went to work in the same capacity for Aguila, a nonprofit group that mentors and prepares Latino students for college.

He has the backing of Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton, former Attorney General Terry Goddard, and several of his legislative colleagues, including state Senator David Lujan.

Meza says he's done a lot for the community but has "never been a person to shout on microphones or megaphones."

Maybe he should have been — because his fly-under-the-radar philosophy hasn't proved to be the best strategy this time around.

Until she began running for office, Teran worked at Promise Arizona, a pro-immigrant organization that recruits and trains new leaders and hosts voter-registration drives.

Like her volunteers — who tirelessly reached out to voters in a West Phoenix city council district, increased Latino voter turnout there by nearly 500 percent and successfully got Councilman Danny Valenzuela elected — Teran comes from a different generation of outspoken leaders.

As a community organizer, she devoted many hours to the successful campaign to recall state Senate President Russell Pearce, author of Arizona's harshest anti-immigrant laws, and has been a vocal critic of Arpaio.

"It's not just about his treatment of immigrants," Teran says, adding that Arpaio has racked up millions of dollars' worth of court judgments against his agency, wasted county resources attacking his political opponents (for which taxpayers have to foot the bill), and failed to investigate sex crimes against children.

In 2008, Arpaio's deputies delivered a citation to her home accusing her of disorderly conduct in connection with her criticism of Arpaio during a Maricopa County Board of Supervisors meeting.

And Teran has sat in a Maricopa County Superior Courtroom, birth certificate in hand, to defend herself against allegations that she is undocumented and ineligible to run for public office. (The lawsuit, filed by Douglas border watcher Alice Novoa, was tossed out by a judge.)

Meanwhile, as his critics observe, Meza has shown support for bills that move toward criminalizing undocumented immigrants, militarizing the border, and forging alliances between local cops and immigration-enforcement officials.

The lawmaker concedes that he has supported one Republican-backed border bill, but he says he did it after getting a call from someone in Washington (a member of Arizona's congressional delegation, perhaps?) asking him to figure out whether the governor, Republicans, or extremist border groups were behind SB 1083, a bill introduced this year to create a state border militia.

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novastarz47
novastarz47

Hate groups in Arizona Source: Southern Poverty Law Center...I didnt see any latino groups listed from La Raza to drug carttels to human smuggling ! What a joke we have for news in America !

dockhooty
dockhooty

Just a thought do these folks have the right to vote if they're not citizens of U. S. ? Or do they even have the right to protest I always was under the impression you had to be U. S. citizens to have these rights am I mistaken ?

 

pinchemilitanto
pinchemilitanto

Funny....in Latin America...these folks are called MILITANTS !

Beefburger
Beefburger

Is La Raza going to take to the streets and burn the American flag while flying the Mexican one AGAIN?

arizonaeagletarian
arizonaeagletarian

Meza says people know he's gay and do not care. If that were true, then why does he claim that telling people is attempt to intimidate him?

Frontera
Frontera

With the voting record  of MEZA , if I were voting in that district, I just could NOT trust him.I think TERAN would represent the district much better.

Bnbk
Bnbk

We have just recieved two more propaganda filled flyers,one from the Meza camp and the other from the Snitz camp. The bogus lies and innuendo filled flyers will go directly into the garbage where they belong. Both the Meza camp and the Snitz camp are obviously worried about losing in the upcoming primary,as they are resorting to an all out ,untruthful smear campaign. Snitz is resorting to taking Larkin supporters' comments out of context and printing them on his smear pamphlets. Meza is doing likewise and also lieing about his voting record,calling it one of the "highest voting record in the senate".......Newsflash for both Meza and Snitz- You are fooling no one with your smear campaign. Both of these smear campaigns will only serve to galvanize support for the Teran/Larkin team. The voters in this district are not as uninformed as you would like them to be......VOTE TERAN/LARKIN

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

I have to agree with some of the people posting here, the use of the term "immigration" when in fact the author means "undocumented immigrant" is a key factor in causing confusion in my mind (and I suspect other people's minds) when reading her article. 

 

I know, that undocumented immigrants, whether they are here to a temporary period to work, to try to get a long term job and residence, or whether they are here with the intent to commit criminal acts, are not "illegal" because that term is used for those who have violated criminal laws, not civil ones such as our Nation's immigration statutes.  I am not advocating the author use that term which is so much in favor amongst the nativist (I call them what they are - BIGOTS) community here in the U.S. 

 

I would like to see the well-written and reasoned articles by this author in the future connote meaning rather than confusion to the debate.  Please use a term which reflects immigration status when talking in general about immigrants who are hispanic or latino or white immigrants for that matter.  Referring to "immigrants", when the author is actually referring to undocumented immigrants or immigrants who are in this country without proper immigration status is confusing and I don't think that is what the author intended.

 

wachalegrngos
wachalegrngos

You guys see the news? A white 28 year old lady molested a 14 year old girl. Glad the lady wasn't hispanic, all you white-power / and Arpaio kiss-ass bastards would be damanding justice. You idiots still think immigration is priority for the police? I think protecting children should be. Let La Migra (immigration police) take care of that. PIGS get work! or get da f**k out! AZ politicians suck KKK d***! PUTOS!

Todd Morgan
Todd Morgan

Not a surprise if they ate trying to replace the incumbent with another Dem they feel will be a stronger rep.

Corinne Faiella
Corinne Faiella

Love the photo. Are they targeting the politician with the power of dance?

Paco_Chicano
Paco_Chicano

Yo we comin to take yu over sukers. We illegals have rights and El Presidente Obama has granted us powers beyond your imagination. Mexico is in charge in Arizona now. Nothing you taxpayers can do about it but just pay more taxes hahahaha. Oh and thanks for our free medical care,free education and money we get and send back to our families!! VIVA MEXICO VIVA MEXICO!!

bobunf
bobunf

 @dockhooty You are mistaken.  A very brief look at the US Constitution reveals our founders intent, which you really should know, if you're an American:

 

"the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"  It says "people," not "citizens."

 

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" It says "people," not "citizens."

 

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated"    It says "people," not "citizens."

 

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury" It says "person," not "citizen."

 

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury"  It says "accused," not "accused citizen."

 

And don't think the founders didn't know the difference between "persons" and "citizens:" No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States" "No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States"   etc.

 

How can any American not know that our rights and liberties extend to all men? It's a continuation of English law Queen’s Bench during the 11th year of the reign of Queen Elizabeth I: "Everyone who comes to this island is entitled to the protection of English law."

 

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @fairymagic13 Under federal guidelines: 'undocumented immigrants' ARE referred to as 'illegal aliens'. Yes; being caught here is a misdemeanor but, if picked up/deported a 2nd or subsequent time IS a Felony. And that's not counting the myriad other  crimes illegals commit to survive in the USA like ID theft. non reporting of income, SSN fraud, etc. 

novastarz47
novastarz47

 @wachalegrngos

 

Hate groups in Arizona Source: Southern Poverty Law Center...I didnt see any latino groups listed from La Raza to drug carttels to human smuggling ! What a joke we have for news in America !

RobertGraham
RobertGraham

 @wachalegrngos I agree that protecting children should be the highest priority but there is also room to enforce illegal immigration, assaults, rapes, home invasions, etc., etc., etc.

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @wachalegrngos Give it up; you La Raza Troll. I can safely say that ALL illegal aliens commit Felonies and quite a few of their crimes are sexual molestation of under age females in the USA. 

RobertGraham
RobertGraham

 @JoeArpaioFan I have to wonder if Latinos think they are exempt from following our laws because they are Hispanic. Correct me if I am wrong but I think I am right.

novastarz47
novastarz47

 @Paco_Chicano

Oh yea a country that their people have no guns and lives in daliy fear of DRUG CARTELS run America  Right man pui the crack pipe down !

RobertGraham
RobertGraham

 @Paco_Chicano You are about as smart as a bump on a log.  It is people like you that give all Hispanics a bad name.  Mexico is not in charge of Arizona and giving you free medical care, free education and food stamps is about to come to a screeching halt.  Viva USA!

phoenix1
phoenix1

 @Paco_Chicano

 Mexico can not even take care of itself let alone Arizona, Mexico is circling the toilet bowl.

QstionEvythng
QstionEvythng

 @Paco_ChicanoYes, we agree - long live Mexico.  Of course its become a failed state because all of the hard workers have abandonned it instead of staying home and standing up against the drug cartels who have effectively taken it over.  Maybe if you had stayed home you could have helped secure the economic success of your own country and worked for justice - instead of abandoning your homeland to the drug dealers and corrupt politicians that have ruined your country and destroyed the potential for  economic opportunity not just for you but for your children and their children as well.

 

No, you're not in charge here.  You're not even in charge in your homeland.  Make something productive out of yourself - go home and make your country right again instead of abandoning it like the coward you are..

Lana42
Lana42

 @Paco_Chicano Hello troll. Let me guess your real name, Lily White Scared Poopless. 

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @Paco_Chicano No, illegal aliens do not have rights.  Mexico is not in charge of Arizona or anywhere else. You are a disgrace to the human race and I hope that somebody shoots and kills you then spits on your dead body.  And I hope that if you have a family that they suffer just as much as you do.  Do you complende?

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

 @RobertGraham No Robert, in this country - unlike  whatever commie country you're from, our Constitution prevents the government from declaring someone "illegal" until they have been afforded a trial and been convicted.  Until that occurs and someone is actually found guilty of being in this country "illegally" the proper term is undocumented.  You are not a jury and you are not a judge and the Federal Government has the authority, responsibility and right to set immigration policy - not you or your bigoted backwater redneck friends.  A person may be in the US "legally" but not have the proper immigration status.  They may be in the middle of having their status determined by ICE.  They may have been on a tourist visa which expired while they were waiting for it to be extended.  There are hundreds of reason why a person might be in this country without proper immigration status that, given a short amount time, may be cured.  That's why a violation of immigration laws is a civil one and not a criminal one.  CIVIL as in you went 5 miles over the speed limit and a cop gave you a ticket.  Criminal is when you go 30 miles over the speed limit.  In any case, you're not "illegal" until you are actually declared so after a hearing or trial.  So shut your ignorant bigoted piehole. (troll speak for Very truly yours)

arizonaeagletarian
arizonaeagletarian

 @MesaMan you can safely say? Boy that gives me great confidence that you are the voice of truth. NOT! What bullshit.

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @fairymagic13 They were? You don't know what you're talking about. Besides: when did the Aztecs/Mayans (ancestors of most Mexicans) even live in what is now the USA prior to the (White) Hispanics coming here?

Beefburger
Beefburger

Not even here first, they slaughtered the natives and took it from them.  The US PURCHASED the territory from Mexico and the Reconquistadores have been trying to steal it back ever since.

 

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @fairymagic13 Well, Shiela down the street from me lived in my house before I did so does that mean that she can invade my property when ever she damn well feels like it?  And are you saying that Hispanics don't have to follow our laws because they were here first? HA!  Why don't you go dig up a thousand year old Mexican, bring him back to life and maybe I will give him a free pass.  But modern-day Mexicans were not here first so they don't count.  They must follow our laws like everybody else.

tipsynipsy
tipsynipsy

 @arpaiofan People like you are the disgrace to the human race!!!! Hopefully you suffer and maybe you and your buddy Joe will roast in hell forever.....

QstionEvythng
QstionEvythng

 @arpaiofan

 

Let's try this again.  Unfortunately, you have no idea what you’re talking about from either a legal or constitutional perspective.  Let me spell it out for you and I’ll try to use small words so you can understand.  Section 1 of the 14th Amendment states,

 

“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

 

This Section contains 3 directives.  The first is that no state shall make any law which abridges the privileges or immunities of CITIZENS of the United States.  The second is that no state shall deprive any PERSON of life, liberty or property without due process of law.  The third is that no state shall deny to any PERSON within its jurisdiction equal protection of the laws.

 

I’ve capitalized the terms CITIZENS and PERSON because they create a meaningful distinction.  Where the drafters intended certain rights to apply to just the citizens of the United States, they specifically said so.  By applying the second and third directive to “any person,”  the drafters clearly intended that these rights had broader application and applied much more broadly than to just citizens.

 

The United States Supreme Court has held for 150 years that the second and third directives apply to all persons that are subject to the jurisdiction of the state in which they are located.  Clearly an illegal alien is a “person” regardless of how you define the term and regardless of their immigration status.

 

There are some on this site that are in favor of open immigration.  There are others, like me, who are opposed to open immigration and agree that illegal is illegal – however, I feel even more strongly that it is a much greater wrong for a law enforcement officer that is imbued by the state with police powers to violate the plain language of the Constitution of the United States.

 

When MCSO deputies and your hero Arpaio blatantly thumb their nose at the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by violating, among others, the 14th amendment through depriving of liberty without due process and denial of equal protection based on skin color and national origin.

 

You may feel that the ends – violating the rule of law – justifies the means - removing illegal aliens - but so did many dictators throughout the ages.  The hard truth, though, for those of us that love our liberty, is that illegal is illegal – especially when it comes to violating the Constitution of our fine country

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @fairymagic13 Under Federal guidelines: they ARE illegal aliens. Otherwise; post your deflections/spins elsewhere please.

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @arizonaeagletarian Factoring in ID theft, false SSN's etc. I stand by what I say: ALL illegal aliens commit Felonies to survive in the USA. 

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

 @MesaMan Why don't you learn a little bit about the people from other Nations which we co-exist with here in this land taken by the United States government.  My point is that the "Brown" that some bigoted people are "down" on comes from the Native American, NOT from Spain or Portugal - Saying Hispanic or Latino does not include meaning about what it is you're really scared about - Native Americans taking back their lands and culture which was stolen from them.  That's what all this Nativist anti-illegal immigrant crap is all about.

 

Dude, if you  haven't a clue about the history of this land's peoples prior to the IGNORANT AS FUCK Europeans got here, get a clue and read some fucking history for god's sake.  It's embarrassing just talking to someone as ignorant as you that claims to be an American.  Being an American means taking into oneself ALL of the cultures and tribes and nations which existed on this land.  Being am American is not just about place, or government or religion - it's about the plants and their uses, the animals, the bugs, the air and water.  It's a symbiotic relationship with your environment that's important to understand about this land and your place in it. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States

 

 

 

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

 @MesaMan Bull - Right Wing Republicans aren't so much for the Constitution as they are for the monarchy of the rich cloaked in religiousity - they are quintessentially Tories.  Native American Nations within the borders of the United States have their own governments which are legally recognized by the U.S. and are autonomous from it.  Many of which were in place before the Europeans invaded their lands and still exist today, in continuous uninterrupted operation as an separate and distinct country from the US. 

 

In other words, most Native Americans are NOT part of the U.S. system of Government. and have no allegiance to it. Why should they have?  They were not invited by the U.S. to join its as a state. 

 

Your thoughts about Native Americans are WAY off base MesaMan.  Why should they "assimilate" in the the United States?  They are not part of the United States and many have treaties which the US Government can ONLY NEGOTIATE with other soveriegn countries.   So if the US Government acknowledges these other Nations within their borders, why can't you?

 

If East Indians are so excited to be Americans, why are the radical white separatists killing them off in massacres?

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @fairymagic13 Actually the East Indians ARE assimilating; they were pretty rare here in the USA till maybe 1980. 

 

Something to think about: why were Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley elected as Republican governors in so-called 'racist' states (Louisiana and S Carolina) yet NO American Indian can claim that same feat in here 2012? The fact that Bobby and Nikki are 'brown' shatters racism for the failures of way too many 'indigenous' people here.

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @fairymagic13 What makes you think the Aztecs, Navajo, Cherokee, etc. all arrived here at the same time? I'm 100% sure they had some nasty battles which were de facto genocide to the losing tribe/nation before 1492.

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

 @MesaMan Actually the latest group of indians to arrive here were the actual people from India - they are here in huge numbers, going to school and sending money back to India.  They're basically taking over our country - they NEVER assimilate they're taking our jobs!!!!

 

How come you never talk about the needs to counter the REAL threat of REAL indians coming to take over our Country?

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

 @MesaMan True - glad you have recognized the fact that I've been pointing out to you in each of my posts.  They were here first!

 

There have been a lot of injustices caused by religious wars on this continent - and not just after the Europeans got here.  That's why I love the Constitution of the United States (and the Iroquois Constitution which inspired it).  In October 1988, the U.S. Congress passed Concurrent Resolution 331 to recognize the influence of the Iroquois Constitution upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

 

It is the ideas of the Native Americans that the Europeans adopted which gave us our country today.  I give thanks that the ideas of the Native Americans, on whose land I live, has helped the freedoms of all mankind in the world.

 

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @fairymagic13 And? You need to face the fact the Euro Whites (Anglo and Hispanic both) were simply the latest group of 'Indians' to arrive here. 

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

 @MesaMan The indigenous peoples of this land have many tribes.  As with the indigenous peoples of Asia and Europe, the humans which inhabit this land, the American Continent, came from Africa.  Remember, we are all humans - one race.  There are different ethnicities which are demarcated by language, cultural, botanical and religious differences.  So the only "range" of an indigineous people was Africa - where humans first started to migrate from.  This is proven by genetics now.   The Mayans were an ethnically different people than the Aztecs. 

 

Why don't you start learning about the place that you live in -

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahua_peoples#Pre-Columbian_period

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization

 

The Mayan and Aztecs are still with us and carrying their distinct ethnic characteristics forward for future generations. 

 

We need to stop thinking about Empire and start thinking about working together to live on this planet for the future.  The Earth is at a tipping point of too many people for its scientific knowledge to cope (we reached a tipping point for failure of the Earth to provide for the number of people we have now a long time ago - it's only our scientific and other knowledge that makes it possible for this "spaceship" to sustain more people than it normally should).  Each of these indigenous tribes has information about the local botanics and geographic features which can help the whole of humanity.  We need to stop attacking each other and start valueing the knowledge of all of the creatures on this planet if we are to survive as a species. 

 

Bigotry is a horrible human emotion that we can no longer afford!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_point_%28climatology%29

 

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @tipsynipsy NO! Illegal aliens are a slap in my face and need to be severely punished. 

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @tipsynipsy No, it's people like you who are the disgrace to the United States and our "rules of law".  Go screw yourself.

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @JoeArpaioFan Agreed: ALL foreigners in the USA have to carry their identification on them at ALL times when out and about. Besides: if an American (there legally or not) tried that 'no papers' shit in Mexico; he'd be locked up on the spot.

RobertGraham
RobertGraham

 @arizonaeagletarian The Court did however say that "show me your papers" is allowed and that I think was the most important part of the law.  But if it didn't matter, illegal alien groups wouldn't be appealing it.

RobertGraham
RobertGraham

 @MesaMan True!  It is just a matter of time before "Anchor babies" are no more.

RobertGraham
RobertGraham

 @LegitQuestions Go complain to ICE because they deport more illegal aliens each year than Arpaio has turned over to them  in five years.

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @LegitQuestions The USA is about the last First World country that still has Birthright citizenship; even Ireland cancelled theirs a few years ago. 

QstionEvythng
QstionEvythng

 @MesaMan

 I guess you could call it a perverted interpretation of the 14th Amendment.  You would also be calling every US Supreme Court deceision that has interepreted the 14th Amendment over the past 150 years to be a perverted interpretation as well because the USSC has consistently held this position regarding the 14th Amendment.  The neat part is that every 1st year law student learns that in the first semester of law school.  I suppose that you could wish for an interpretation of the 14th Amendment that fit neatly into YOUR idealogical beliefs, but that wouldn't be consistent with the 14th Amendment.

 

Birthright citizenship may go away - sure.  It would likely take a Constitutional Amendment to accomplish that, but it could.  The important part is that it goes through a democratic process and not one simply imposed by wishful thinking idealogical extremists.

 

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @arizonaeagletarian In essence, the most important part of SB 1070 was upheld.  But if it's no big deal, why is it being challenged?  Show me your papers!

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @arizonaeagletarian But you people are sore losers because you still complain about having to show papers. The sections that were not allowed are being challenged.  You people should have been happy that the excluded sections were thrown out and left well enough alone but now since you guys are challenging "papers" we will challenge the rest.

arizonaeagletarian
arizonaeagletarian

 @JoeArpaioFan dude, they did NOT uphold SB1070. They said cops can ask for the documentation, but that's it. You really believed when Brewer proclaimed victory? How wonderfully Orwellian.

MesaMan
MesaMan

 @LegitQuestions Enjoy the perverted interpretation of the 14th Amendment; it's just a matter of time before birthright citizenship goes away unless at least one parent is at least a green card holder.

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @LegitQuestions You people crack me up simply because you are so dense and stupid.  Just what in the hell is wrong with police asking for papers if they suspect the person they stopped might be illegal?  Nothing!  If I am stopped for a traffic violation I am asked to produce my drivers license.  If I leave the country when I return I must provide a passport to Customs.  If I cash a check I have to show ID.  So what's the big deal with asking Latinos for papers?  If legal Hispanics are worried they might be asked for papers, unless they are trying to hide something they need not worry about it.  The police will not ask every Hispanic for their papers, just ones who they think might be illegal.

 

Yes the Supreme Court gave the Plaintiffs an opportunity to appeal but there is no legitimate reason why the Court's decision should not stand and the Court know it but by law they had to give them the opportunity for appeal.

 

The Constitution does not protect lawbreakers.  Police have every right to investigate what they think might be a crime.  As with any police investigation, if it turns out that no crime has been committed, the person is free to go.

 

If Hispanic people think they should not be pulled over just because they are Hispanic even if they have committed an offense, they are sadly mistaken. If Arpaio or his deputies pulled over a person of Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Arab or any other person of non-Hispanic descent and that person had no ID and could not speak English, Arpaio would have probable cause to believe he or she might be an illegal alien and they would be treated the same.  But I doubt however that would ever happen because about the only illegal aliens in Maricopa County are Hispanics.  It's kind of hard to racially profile if there is not a choice of people to choose from.

QstionEvythng
QstionEvythng

 @arpaiofan

Again, your lack of understanding and comprehension is appalling.  The Supreme Court held that a violation of the 14th Amendment hasn't been demonstrated because the law hasn't gone into effect yet, but invited the plaintiffs to refile the lawsuit alleging 14th Amendment violations once the law is effective IF due process and equal protection is violated in the enforcement of the law. The Supreme Court essentially said that it is too earlier to know whethe rthe implementation of the law will result in constitutional violations but once the law is implemented the law can then be challenged on those grounds.

 

Now, you are being intentionally obtuse or demonstrating no knowledge of constitutional interpretation or both.  There are three references - one to "citizen of the United states" and two to "person."  When we interpret the Constition, we work hard to give effect to the meaning of every word.  Because the drafters used "citizens" in the first directive, they obviously menat something different when they used the term "person" in the second and third directives.  You can't re-write the amendment ot use the term "citizen" when the drafters used the term "person" - you must give effect to the term "person" as it is used twice in Section 1 of the 14th Amendment.

 

I will continue to argue with you to prevent you from misusing and misciting our wonderful foundational documents.  Keep spouting your nonsense and I will keep responding, but you are not going to pervert the written language of the Constitution.  Just ask and I'll be happy to cite 150 years worth of Supreme Court decisions to back me up.  You're welcome to do the same...oh, yeah, you won't find any to support your backward efforts to interpret the Constitution.

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 @LegitQuestions Well then, if "show me your papers" is not Constitutional, the Supreme Court would not have upheld it.  You replied “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

 

Notice how you quoted the words CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES?  How much more clearer can that be?

 
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