YOU HAVE GOT TO CHECK THIS STRIP OUT - RIGHT ON POINT - Chris Parker - please follow up with this - Phoenix University is doing the same damn thing here. Check out the Religious Colleges too - let's stop this bullshit!!!!
By New Times Staff
By Stephen Lemons
By Stephen Lemons
By Monica Alonzo
By Ray Stern
By New Times Staff
By Stephen Lemons
By Chris Parker
Bobby Ruffin Jr. was only 14 when a recruiter from Ashford University called. The boy from Birmingham, Michigan, thought he'd clicked on a link promising help finding money for college. It was actually just a lead generator for the for-profit online school's sales staff.
At the time, Bobby was an A student. His parents had pulled him from the troubled Detroit schools, hoping that home-schooling would deliver something better for their son. He told the recruiter that he wanted to be a doctor. She assured him that Ashford could be a stepping stone to that dream.
Never mind that he was in eighth grade.
"She said, 'You'll be working toward a degree as a medical doctor, so when you do graduate high school, you're almost there,'" Bobby says today. "I'm like, 'This is great, I'm going to talk to my mom.' And she's like, 'No, I wouldn't tell your parents, because that would take away from the shock when it happens. If I were you, I'd complete the program and, when graduation comes around, let them know. Mom and Dad will be super-excited.'"
Admission to Ashford requires a high school diploma or the equivalent. So when it came time to fill out the financial-aid forms, the recruiter told Bobby to claim that he'd already graduated. He objected, but she insisted "the loan-processing company will go back and correct everything." Still, he left the graduation date blank. Someone filled it in, because Ashford soon was receiving federal student loan money on his behalf.
Of course, it's illegal for kids Bobby's age to receive financial aid. But for-profit colleges always haven't been scrupulous when it comes to raiding the federal treasury. Between student aid and G.I. Bill programs, most such schools receive 90 percent of their revenue from the American taxpayer. And the recruiters — often little more than salespeople paid largely by how many students they enroll — are driven mercilessly to keep those cash registers ringing.
Students don't get much in return. Though for-profit schools' tuition rates can run as high as America's most esteemed universities, the education's generally substandard. In the end, most kids wind up walking away with a questionable degree bought at top dollar — and a mountain of debt to accompany it.
Bobby took online classes for almost a year. But when he wouldn't endorse Ashford's lying on his financial-aid forms, administrators miraculously discovered that he was under 18. Since this left him ineligible for federal aid, Ashford was forced to return his loan money to the feds.
The school wouldn't be eating those costs. Bobby would. Ashford, which declined interview requests for this story, sent him a bill for $13,000.
Last fall, Bobby finally was able to enroll at a real university, Eastern Michigan, where he was named a National Collegiate Scholar. Yet he still owes Ashford. Because that's a private debt, he isn't eligible for deferments while he's in school, and any future wages could be garnished.
Unfortunately, this isn't a scam that targets only the young and naive. The for-profit industry is so rife with deceit that it's been billed the second coming of the mortgage-loan debacle. And the same people are behind it. Three-quarters of all for-profit students are enrolled at schools owned by Wall Street banks and private-equity firms
All told, they soak $30 billion a year from American taxpayers. But even in the age of slash-and-burn government, Congress has shown no interest in stopping it.
"The problem with the subprime [housing] scam was that it got so big, it almost brought down the entire world's economy," says Barmak Nassirian, a former official with the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers. "This one's wisely limited to $30 billion a year, which is highly sustainable. In the context of a multi-trillion-dollar federal budget, that's not even a rounding error."
You may not know it, but you're sitting on $117,000. That's basically how much every American potentially is worth in government student aid. Want to attend grad school? Throw in another $114,000.
And as for-profit colleges have discovered, an 18-year-old with 100 grand makes for a very easy mark.
To get in on the gravy train, a school needs only accreditation from some supposedly neutral body. But Congress neglected to say who should do that accrediting, resulting in a system loaded with charlatans. Some agencies have built sturdy reputations over decades. Others are little more than rubber-stamp factories, more geared toward gobbling up members' dues than safeguarding students.
"It never occurred to [Congress] that, as billions of dollars get attached to the recognition process, the process [gets] corrupted," says Nassirian.
Yet even bargain-bin accreditation takes several years. So the titans of Wall Street found a way around this by purchasing small, failing schools to snatch up pre-owned accreditation.
Take Bridgepoint Education. Its majority stockholder is Warburg Pincus, a New York private-equity firm. When it needed accreditation for Ashford University, it bought 85-year-old Franciscan University of the Prairies, a struggling, 300-student religious college in Clinton, Iowa. Overnight, it was transformed into online powerhouse Ashford.
Bridgepoint, which also owns the University of the Rockies, grew from just 12,623 students in 2007 to 77,892 in 2010. Its profits also exploded, going from $4 million to more than $216 million annually. About 85 percent of its revenue comes directly from the U.S. Treasury.
But if Bridgeport and Warburg Pincus are billing top dollar, they're unrepentant misers when it comes to educating students. In 2009, Bridgepoint spent less than $700 per student on actual instruction. By comparison, the nearby University of Iowa spends 17 times that figure.
What Bridgeport doesn't short is its marketing, spending $2,714 per student to keep the turnstiles spinning. Overall, the 15 largest for-profit colleges spend nearly $13 billion a year on recruiting and marketing.
It's a terrific business if you don't have to worry about educating students. Nearly 80 percent of them won't complete their programs within six years — almost double the failure rate at traditional colleges.
The tactics have become so brazen that even accreditors are taking notice. Last month, Ashford conceded that the Western Association of Schools & Colleges had denied its accreditation renewal, noting that the school had just 50 full-time faculty members to teach 90,000 online students. Within a week, Bridgepoint's stock price plunged 50 percent.
"It's basically consumer fraud rendered to a business model," says Nassirian. "Over-advertise, oversell, overcharge, and under-deliver. They found a system where the pitch goes to one guy and the bill to someone else."
Mary had been a good student all her life, earning a master's in psychology from William & Mary University in Virginia. When the military transferred her husband to Tampa, she chose Argosy University, the only area school offering a psychology doctorate geared toward clinicians rather than researchers.
Mary, who doesn't want her real name disclosed, figured it was legit. Argosy was accredited by the American Psychological Association.
She aced her studies with a 3.7 grade-point average. All she needed was an internship to graduate. That's where her problems began.
Argosy University, with 19 campuses (including one in metro Phoenix), is owned by Education Management Corporation, whose investors include Goldman Sachs and Providence Equity Partners, a Rhode Island private-equity firm. To wring out more profit, Argosy began taking on more students than it could handle, says Mary's lawyer, Florida state Representative Rick Kriseman.
But Argosy didn't have the professional connections to supply enough internships. So, like air-traffic controllers, it decided to place students into holding patterns.
Mary was asked to accept a practicum instead. It's like a lesser form of internship that wouldn't bring her any closer to her doctorate.
She was upset but went along, spending the next eight months volunteering at a mental-health facility. But by the time she was finished, Argosy still didn't have enough internships. Her instructors ordered her to take a second practicum.
She didn't have much choice. Mary already had invested four years and more than $100,000. She spent another five months volunteering. By then, her instructors had begun to question her intellectual rigor.
They not only flunked her out of the program but refused to let her defend her work before a board of teachers and peers Then they denied her a chance to address administrators before rejecting her appeal. (EDMC refused repeated requests for comment.)
Mary was shocked. "I was an A student," she says. "It was baffling to me how this could happen at the last minute. You have to understand the shame of going to school and being an A student and becoming a flunked-out person. It's so foreign and confusing."
Yet Kriseman would discover a pattern at play, finding three more students who'd suffered a fate similar to Mary's. "When the school did not have those [internship] slots, they found reasons to either dismiss the students or to make it so uncomfortable for them that they left on their own accord," he says.
Argosy's problems seemed to be nationwide. Across the country, in the psychology program at Argosy-Seattle, the school had assured its doctoral candidates that accreditation was moments away — since without certification, their degrees would be all but worthless. It wouldn't be until later that administrators confessed that their application had failed — and they were closing the entire program.
For-profit colleges like to place their alarming failure rates in charitable terms. They claim to disproportionately serve low-income students who struggle in school.
But if they're serving people of lesser means, why are they charging so much money?
On average, a four-year degree from a for-profit runs twice what in-state tuition costs at a public institution. When it comes to two-year programs, the disparity widens: For-profits charge three to four times the rates of their public counterparts. Yet they've still managed to lull the political class into believing their competition is driving down tuition.
During the Republican primary, Mitt Romney praised a major donor and co-chairman of his Florida fund-raising team — Bill Heavener, owner of Full Sail University — for helping to "hold down the cost of education." What Romney failed to mention is that a 21-month degree in video game art at Full Sail costs over $80,000. And that's not unusual.
A four-year bachelor's degree in business from Indiana-based ITT Tech costs almost $89,000. That's more than twice the in-state tuition at Indiana University.
Worse, subprime degrees from places like ITT and Full Sail are typically held in such low regard that it's difficult for grads to find jobs that pay enough to cover their loans. Nearly one in four for-profit students default on their loans within three years of leaving school, more than double the rate of public-school students.
But there's nothing like advertising to paper over your shortcomings. So, for-profits carpet-bomb the airwaves to make earning a degree seem as easy as downloading an app. Who hasn't seen those late-night TV ads? There's the one touting "college in your PJs," as well as the Education Connection commercial featuring a rapping, dancing waitress. These ads drive viewers to websites that generate leads for schools' sales staffs, prompting an unending stream of solicitations. And when those leads are exhausted, schools buy lists from companies like QuinStreet, which made its name providing leads to subprime mortgage brokers.
Last month, QuinStreet reached a settlement with attorneys general from 20 states, who'd accused it of fraud for operating www.gibill.com. The website was made to look as if it was run by the government to help veterans but actually was just a lead generator for for-profit colleges.
"The thing that made those lists valuable was the foreknowledge that these were people in dire straits, who were in over their heads, and financially desperate and, therefore, much more susceptible to a pitch out of the blue," says Nassirian.
The idea is to prey on people's hopes and desires, offering a yellow brick road to the American dream: an education and a better job. Workers are trained to identify emotional weaknesses and exploit them. That undoubtedly is what made Suzanne Lawrence an attractive hire at EDMC. She had a master's in psychology when she went to work for Argosy's online division in Pittsburgh.
"It was really funny because they used a lot of the same skills I was trained to use in grad school as therapeutic skills — like empathy and reflective listening — on the sales floor," Lawrence says. "It was evil and slimy. Your big job was to create trust, make them think you were their friend. The main goal in your first conversation was to find something they called 'the confirmed need,' which was the hot button you were going to push if that person tried to back out on you. Like, 'My dad wasn't really proud of me,' and that's what you write down. You keep that on your file, so when you call them and they say, 'I don't want to go,' you say, 'What about your dad? Don't you care about what he thinks anymore?'"
Lawrence worked in a sea of cubicles with more than 2,000 other recruiters and an auto-dialer making 500 calls a day. The leads generally were so stale that most calls led to no answer, hang-ups, or people screaming, "Stop fucking calling me!" Dry-erase scoreboards kept track of everyone's application numbers, horse-race style. Those who sold were loved. Those who didn't were berated, cajoled, and threatened, says Lawrence. Managers monitored calls and circled the cubicle bays encouraging workers to "always be closing."
The harsh, boiler-room atmosphere prompted her to make references to Glengarry Glen Ross. No one got it. They were too preoccupied with keeping their jobs.
The pressure prompted all sorts of illicit shenanigans, including falsifying documents, says Lawrence. Salespeople were coached to evade questions about cost and repeat the lie that "99 percent of our students don't pay anything out-of-pocket to go to school."
She even was instructed to sell online courses to people who didn't own computers. "Tell them to go to the library," her managers would say.
Iraq War veteran Chris Pantzke was discharged from the Army in 2006 after his convoy was hit by an improvised explosive device. He suffered from traumatic brain injury, along with post-traumatic stress disorder. The injuries left the former sergeant moody and anxious in closed spaces. Being in a classroom was out of the question.
But a saleswoman for the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, also owned by EDMC, convinced him that her school's online photography program was perfect for his situation.
He immediately struggled, getting migraines from staring at his computer. "There would be several days I'd get up at roughly 8 a.m. and wouldn't go to bed until 4 a.m.," Pantzke says. "That's how bad it was, because I was falling so far behind." He punched a hole in the wall next to his laptop and "dishes took flight."
In one online class, the teacher didn't have Internet access for more than a third of the course. Only after pestering three different advisers was he finally put in touch with the school's Disability Services Office. But despite the recruiters' original promise of specialized help, the Art Institute balked at his request for additional tutoring.
Then Pantzke appeared on PBS' Frontline for a story about for-profit colleges. Shortly before the Frontline piece aired, a vice president contacted Pantzke, asking him to sign a release saying that "I was doing fine and things were going great."
He refused but soon noticed a miraculous lift in his academic fortunes. Despite turning in one slapdash assignment he knew wasn't any good, he received an A. "Once I started making waves, I started passing my classes with As and Bs," he says. "I don't know if my grades were true, and it made me doubt my photography ability."
His tenure at the Art Institute came to an end 18 months after starting when he was hurt in a serious car accident. Unable to type for six months, Pantzke decided he'd instead study photography on his own. In just 18 months at the Art Institute, he'd run up $26,000 in debt and burned through an additional $65,000 of his G.I. Bill benefits — with almost nothing to show for it.
Yet if Pantzke got away, there were plenty of other servicemen where he came from. A story by Bloomberg News caught a recruiter from Ashford University visiting a wounded warrior barracks at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina. It seems injured veterans — notably those with head injuries — are particularly receptive to the for-profit sales pitch. The story's opening line said it all: "U.S. Marine Corporal James Long knows he's enrolled at Ashford University. He just can't remember what course he's taking."
Federal data shows that for-profits are increasingly targeting veterans. In 2009, they took in almost as much military money as public colleges — though they were educating just one-third of veteran students. Last year, eight of the top 10 educational institutions collecting G.I. Bill benefits were for-profit, taking in a stunning $626 million.
"I think sometimes the emphasis is on signing up the student as opposed to whether or not the student is really ready to be successful at that school," says Holly Petraeus, an official with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and wife of General David Petraeus. "The top 10 recipients of G.I. Bill aid, eight are for-profit schools, and they are very heavily engaged in marketing to the military — quite successfully, frankly."
Still, by pure monetary standards, former CEO Todd S. Nelson was a success. During his tenure, he tripled revenue for the school's parent company, the Apollo Group. Enrollment surged to more than 300,000.
Unfortunately, he accomplished this the old-fashioned way — by cheating. Since 1992, it's been illegal to pay recruiters based on how many students they bring through the door. Phoenix did it anyway until two recruiters blew the whistle, initiating a suit that would ultimately cost the school $88.3 million in settlements and fines.
Under pressure, Nelson was forced out in 2006, walking away with a generous $18 million in severance. Founder John Sperling put a polite spin on the exit, saying only that Nelson was "preoccupied" with stock price to the detriment of the school's long-term health.
Yet if Nelson's profit motives were too lusty for Phoenix, they were a match made in corporate heaven for Goldman Sachs, the Wall Street bank that had partnered with two private-equity firms to buy EDMC. Nelson was hired as the company's new CEO. Former Maine Governor John McKernan Jr. — husband of U.S. Senator Olympia Snowe — was named chairman of the board. Over the next five years, the company's revenue would nearly triple to $2.8 billion.
Last year, Nelson took home $13.1 million in salary and stock. By the standards of for-profit executive pay, he was working on the cheap.
Gregory Cappelli, his replacement at the University of Phoenix, received $25 million last year. CEO Robert Silberman of Strayer Education raked in an astounding $41.9 million in 2009. Yet even this pales next to Jonathan Grayer, the former CEO of Kaplan University, who walked away with a $76 million severance package — courtesy of Kaplan's parent company, the Washington Post.
By comparison, Harvard President Drew Faust collected a meager $875,331 in 2010.
Nelson's bad-boy practices predictably have caught up with him. Last year, the Justice Department and attorneys general from five states charged EDMC with fraud for paying recruiters based on the money they generated. Six more states have joined the suit.
EDMC claims its sales pay is not just based on bodies enrolled, but on such things as business ethics, professionalism, and job knowledge. Kathleen Bittel would beg to differ. She was an EDMC recruiter when Nelson arrived, and will readily attest to the change in atmosphere.
Over the next three years, the sales staff increased from 950 people to more than 2,600. "Once Goldman Sachs took over and they brought in [Nelson], everything changed," she says. "Everything became much more cutthroat. It was just more oppressive and very high pressure . . . They were watching you constantly. We used to joke it was like being on the cotton plantation, and they were the overlords coming by on their horses. The only thing they were missing were the whips — but they had the whips verbally."
Like Lawrence, Bittel had studied psychology and proved adept at forging bonds. She'd gone back to school in her 40s to support her family of four after her husband got cancer. She understood the difficulties of raising kids, working full-time, and going to college. At first, she admits to "drinking the Kool-Aid," believing Argosy's online program could help people like her.
But after six months on the job, she was allowed to take Argosy courses for free. That's when she discovered she'd aided a bait-and-switch. Many of the features she heralded to students barely were functional or didn't exist. The Worldwide Professionals Network, in which students could find graduate mentors in their field, was nothing more than a bulletin board. Promised MP3 downloads of classes also didn't exist.
Worse, the classes themselves had less content than a political soundbite. "When I saw what they were passing off as college, I was appalled and mortified," Bittel says. "I'm a fabulous salesman if I believe in my product. But I was blown out of the water. I couldn't sell it anymore."
On the sales floor, she soon would go from golden child to problem student. Managers threatened to fire her. She protested that she'd excelled at EDMC's other barometers, like leadership, calls made, and conversations engaged. None of that mattered, they told her.
"Those are just put in there because the law says we're not allowed to pay you directly," she recalls her boss saying. "We don't look at those. Those don't really matter. The only thing that matters is how many bodies you bring in."
Bittel wasn't the only worker feeling the pressure. A man she carpooled with would cry on the way home.
"If you weren't unscrupulous, you struggled," she says. "Half the people I worked with, their previous job was in the mortgage industry. They targeted people in that industry . . . They were the ones that did the best, because they were so unscrupulous."
Eventually, she transferred to EDMC's career-placement department, where the same deceit wore a different outfit.
Bittel was supposed to help Art Institute grads find jobs. But the school was churning out students with abysmal portfolios — if they had one at all.
She also was supposed to generate stats on how many of them found employment in their fields. The numbers were used to not only sell future students, but to maintain a program's standings by accreditors. So EDMC, she says, was prepared to rig these stats by any means necessary.
Bittel's boss liked to say that "every student is place-able. It's all a matter of technique." This "technique," she says, involved persuading people to sign affidavits saying they were employed in their field. She witnessed cases in which someone with a degree in video-game design was counted as working in his field because he sold video games at Toys "R" Us. She was told to convince a Starbucks clerk that making the menu sign each day was using her degree in graphic design.
Once, Bittel saw a co-worker lying on a form about a graduate's salary. The same employee showed her how to doctor e-mails so that students' replies favored the Art Institute. Both times, she reported the scams to her boss. But instead of getting fired, the co-worker soon received EDMC's North Star Award for exceptional performance.
EDMC hardly is alone in its transgressions. Two years ago, the feds conducted a sting on for-profit colleges, with investigators masquerading as prospective students. They tested the sales practices of 15 schools. Four encouraged outright fraud. All were found to be deceptive.
In the age of austerity, you'd think Congress would be eager to root out waste, especially after allowing mortgage fraud to decimate the economy. But money talks loud enough to make just about any congressman hard of hearing. So despite a 20-year history of fraud and failure, for-profit colleges appear as bulletproof as ever.
Washington's been aware of the racket since U.S. Senator Sam Nunn (D-Georgia) held high-profile hearings in 1992, demonstrating how for-profits were recruiting students from welfare offices, housing projects, and homeless shelters — anything to get bodies through the door. They subsequently were barred from paying salespeople based on enrollment.
It would take just a decade for Washington to eviscerate such protections. In 2002, President George W. Bush created a series of loopholes and announced that violators no longer would be punished.
Then, Bush and Congressman John Boehner (R-Ohio) opened the door even wider, working to repeal a rule that required schools to educate at least 50 percent of their students on campus. It gave birth to an online gold rush, with for-profits flooding the Internet. Last year, 6 million students enrolled.
The industry had discovered the value of paying protection money to Congress. It spent $16 million on lobbying last year alone, buying a dream team of former officials who include former House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-Missouri) and no fewer than 14 former congressmen.
"I didn't know when I got into the issue of for-profit schools that it was the best way for me to have a reunion with every member of Congress as they parade through the door, all representing these schools," says U.S. Senator Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), who's held hearings investigating for-profits. "There is so much money on the table, they can afford to hire everybody."
Needless to say, Durbin hasn't gotten far with his probe. He's found some support among fellow Democrats, but not a single Republican bothered to attend his hearings.
"I don't want to hear their sermons from the mount about wasting federal money when they won't even take a look at these obscenely subsidized for-profit schools," Durbin says. "If they were talking about food stamps, they would cut people off in a second for this level of fraud. This is a wasteful expenditure of hard-earned consumer dollars to some of the wealthiest people in America, and that has to come to an end."
Congress' shrillest voices on waste refuse to even look at the industry. Despite sitting on the Senate committee examining for-profit fraud, Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) has expressed no curiosity about this money pit. Nor have fellow committee members Senator Lamar Alexander (R-Tennessee) or deficit hawk Senator John McCain (R-Arizona). Not one responded to repeated interview requests for this story.
President Obama has stepped into the breach, though with customary timidity. In July, the Department of Education made it once again unequivocally illegal to base salespeople's pay on enrollment. But other reforms were so watered down that they were rendered meaningless. Taxpayers probably should be thankful that Obama did anything. At hearings last year, Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) called it the most intense lobbying campaign he'd seen in his 32 years in Washington.
To truly appreciate how weak the final regulations were, consider this: The day they were revealed, for-profit stocks soared. The stock prices of EDMC and ITT Tech, in particular, increased by 20 percent. In one day.
The government ignores the problem at the country's peril.
Total student loan debt, now over $1 trillion, has surpassed credit-card debt. These burdens will limit students' ability to contribute to our consumer economy for years to come. Worse, unlike an underwater mortgage, Congress has made it illegal for people to walk away from student loans they can't pay. The debt will follow them the rest of their life.
"This is basically a parasitic industry that is preying upon not just some of the most vulnerable members of our society, but the best of these most vulnerable members, people who listen to the rhetoric we feed them and who are actually attempting to better themselves," says Nassirian. "This is an industry that takes people's hopes and dreams and cashes them out."
YOU HAVE GOT TO CHECK THIS STRIP OUT - RIGHT ON POINT - Chris Parker - please follow up with this - Phoenix University is doing the same damn thing here. Check out the Religious Colleges too - let's stop this bullshit!!!!
This week's story in the New Times, "Education Only a Con Man Could Love" by Chris Parker appears to have been lifted from the PBS Frontline program "Education, Inc." Just a few names are and schools are changed here and there, but I actually thought I was reading a ripoff of Frontline, probably was.
Makes all the same points in the same order, even has an identical story of a PhD candidate from a for-profit school with only the name changed. I guess Chris Parker was feeling a bit lazy and should have credited PBS and Frontline, because the two stories have damning parallels, points and overall direction.
Hey George Harrison was sued for less over My Sweet Lord -- and lost ! For shame NT !!!
Another brilliant cartoon on the subject by Doonesbury!!!
The whole thrust of the story if lifted from the Frontline special, "Education, Inc." Parker changed the vignettes and names, that's about it. This was Frontline's idea, not Parker's.... Maybe he thought no one would notice...
Ya GOT to check out Doonesbury today - perfect ON POINT cartoon for the day!
Is this the same school that the Shurrff claims to have attended? He has paid for his school loans with taxpayer dollars, and we still have a POS for a Shurf!
Someone under 18 years old cannot sign a contract and the kid's debt isn't enforceable.
Other than that, yes there are a lot of people who prey on the naive.
@marcy I was thinking the same thing. if he was in 8th grade wouldn't his parents or gaurdians have to do that?
Where's the oversight? Where's the accountability? Ooops forgot -- the private for-profit corporations don't have to answer to the people / taxpayers. They are "private" and not government.
When touting the importance of higher education to kids, we must warn them about these types of schools...
SRP & WIU are running this same scam. Pass or fail? All U.S. Treasurery Money. The paper tiger is serving up graduate degrees. I do give them credit for at least holding some class room or group participation. However, its mostly smoke & mirrors. How many SRP people in upper management come out of the WIU programs? The program is just selling false security.
The same people who crashed the Savings and Loan industry and the Housing Industry are at it again. These people are crooks and should be locked up. Why are our elected representatives protecting these charlatans! It's disgusting - Republicans SUCK!!!!
@fairymagic13 All eat out of the same trough. Do you really expect any of them to stop their gravy train. They sure are rushing around to pass laws to protect themselves (immunity) while taking more rights away from the people.
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