A Woman Was Held in Jail Because Authorities Thought She Was Illegal

 @sarum  @TruC0nserv The Bush Administration looked into this - and rejected on principle the conclusion several times - before finally, after the researchers exhaustively said they had done everything they could to find a different result.

They do not take more than they pay. Period.

As for how they live off the cheap wages - because they are willing to live a standard lower than Americans will, because they are that hard-working, that honor-driven.

They live in abject poverty to support the families they love in the hope they can someday become citizens in the country they love.

Why would anyone hate these people?

When the only proof you have is an admitted absence of proof, then hate is really all you have left.

 @rodeo3712 FWIW: No news report in the LEXISNEXIS database references Arpaio speaking Spanish and it is not listed on either his website or his wikipedia entry.  Given how frequently Arpaio is bashed for racism, you'd think he'd reference his language skills. While proving a negative is difficult, this one is clearly busted.

Similarly, no reports indicate Arpaio has 60-percent hispanic officer corps.  No report states he has a majority of officers that are hispanic.

Rodeo3712 refuses to name his sources, so we can safely call him, too, clearly busted.

 @rodeo3712 It's your claim.  It's for you to substantiate.

Come on now, troll, support the lies you have given with verifiable fact:

1) Apraio is fluent in Spanish

2) 60 percent of his officers are hispanic.

Then, explain what the hell either has to do with whether Arpaio is illegally profiling or is a bigot!

 @dtyheth  @dbearup

 You are the troll, you have no idea what you're talking about. Arpaio did not make these claims, they are facts. I have personally been present and overheard an extended conversation, in spanish, between Arpaio and one of his deputys. State the source of your information or find someone else to troll.

 @rodeo3712  @dbearup The troll dbearup, using the sock puppet rodeo wrote the following:

'You believe that the Sheriff and his office are racist but you probably dont know that he speaks spanish fluently and that 60% of his officers are hispanic in origin."

He's lying.

Arpaio is not fluent in Spanish, and 60-percent of his officers are not hispanic.

You'd imagine an accomplished liar would at least make a more credible assertion.

 @wacha      Actually, I blast my "ranchero music all the time (during reasonable hours), so do my neighbors. My personal opinion is that most immigration laws were created out of greed. Our politicians place a high price on everything. Can you imagine the natives in 1642 telling Colombus that he had to pay $3000.00 to apply for a citizenship? Almost everyone in this country has an ancestor who immigrated here.

There are two sides to every argument and quite often, both sides can be correct. @dbearup was citing a slightly altered cliche, not threatening gun violence. I think you're just a troll who likes to post stupid comments to get a reaction and you have no real knowledge concerning politics, immigration, law enforcement or how most Mexican/Americans feel about illegals.

You believe that the Sheriff and his office are racist but you probably dont know that he speaks spanish fluently and that 60% of his officers are hispanic in origin.

A tragic mistake was made, the lady was wronged, immigration laws need reform but not to make it harder to come here but easier to become a citzen and pay taxes. I don't believe you have the guts to spit in an officers face.

These are my opinions, you cant change themwith threats, vulgarity, or manufactured stats.

 @wacha  @dbearup  @rodeo3712  Actually, Wacha, I would only be bothered by it if they were doing it in the middle of the night, and only then if I were trying to sleep. And in that case, I would first ask them myself to turn it down. If they refused, I would call and report that my neighbors were disturbing the peace. Not my spic neighbors, or the niggers next door, or any of that nonsense. I don't believe in race. As an idea, race is bullshit, and in practice it's nothing but trouble. YOU put the race card on the table, and I responded in kind because I have found that when I want my point to be understand I am better off expressing myself in a way the other person can identify with.

You're right, this woman's mistreatment is worth getting mad about. Nobody said you can't get mad, and it is your free speech right to call a cop a racist pig, or a cobb salad, or anything else. Rodeo was just pointing out that if you spit in that racist pig's face (as YOU said you would do) you'd be lucky to get off with just prison time. And I was just agreeing with him. The part about the gun? Well, cops carry guns, and there are a TON of news reports of cops killing suspects for less than stellar reasons. So go ahead, take your chances... I'm sure your injuries will heal.

@dbearup @rodeo3712 @Wacha Oh no!, here we go with the guns! So typical of Arizonians. You seem to burrie yourself everytime, first you say "gringos" & now it's the guns. Let me ask you something if someone in your neighborhood (hispanic of course) was blasting their ranchero music, would you call the police and say, or mention, "my neighbors", or "some Mexicans", or "might be illegals"? This is what I'm talking about. I can't get mad & call a police officer a racist pig? Should I think lightly of this? Common this is some bad shit! These actions deserve a negative reaction.

 @dbearup Can't let this bit of rank hypocrisy slide:

The fool known as dbearup wrote:

"never speak to people the way you have expressed yourself to me here. Eventually, you will not like the consequences."

This follows a section where dbearup labels literally hundreds of thousands of people "criminals" despite knowing they have committed no crime and that no criminal statute even exists covering the acts he is complaining about.

The whiny little bastard can't stand being called out for spreading his lies and his hate, but he's perfectly willing to malign and slander an huge population of people.

For the sake of the literate: there is no crime of being illegally present in the United States, so sayeth the Congress, so sayeth the Supreme Court of the United States.

There is a crime of illegal entry into the United States, but that is a specific intent crime and very few of the "illegals" in our country meet that exacting standard.  This is particularly true of those brought into the United States when children.

dbearup knows all this - he just likes to lie.  He knows that when he labels these hard-working, religious, conservative people as criminals, he lowers the bar needed to persuade people that his xenophobic, racist opinions are valid.

He is a fraud.

Words have meaning, particularly the words "crime" and "criminal," and when those words are deliberately misused so as to justify bigotry and deception, he - and every coward that trucks with him - can expect a sure and swift smackdown.

 @dbearup  @TruC0nserv I'm not talking about social circles, I'm talking about the legal definitions of crime and criminal.

You are either wrong or you are a liar.

When you call people who not only haven't committed a crime, but there isn't even a statute on the books that covers their activity, as "criminals," what alternatives are left?

The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled on this.  Congress has agreed: There is no crime of being illegally present in the United States.

It is a CIVIL matter handled in front of CIVIL judges in CIVIL trials.

You initially used the words "crime" and "criminal" because you didn't know the law.  When the law was pointed out to you, rather than do the decent thing and drop your demonstratively false statements, you doubled down on them using an imagined "in my opinion" argument.

Screw your opinion.

I don't care if your opinion is that the Earth is flat - it would still be either wrong or a lie.

We can agree to disagree on a lot - I will never however agree to allow someone to use false information under the rubric of opinion to further hate and ignorance.

So far, that is all you've offered.

 @TruC0nserv Just because I am not using the definitions which are normal and customary in your social circle does not mean I am making up definitions. I am using the definitions which those with whom I share a common experience of the world we live in believe are normal and customary. In other words, everyone I KNOW would understand and accept the definitions I am using as well as the point I am making. They may not agree, but they would respect it. (You will find this hard to believe, but I actually respect your position. I would respect it more if you hadn't resorted to name-calling when you found me immovable on my position.) You seem to believe you live in a perfect world where law and legality and the definitions which would hold up in a court of law are the only things that matter. Here in the real world, where actions have consequences beyond an academic exercise, most people believe anyone in our country who violated a law to get into or remain in it is a criminal. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make me wrong OR a liar.

Now, I am not going to respond to you again because we obviously will NEVER find common ground on this matter and  I am sick of being called a liar by someone I have never met.

In parting, a word of friendly advice - never speak to people the way you have expressed yourself to me here. Eventually, you will not like the consequences.

 @dbearup No, you don't understand.  Just like you claim that your words don't carry their normal and customary meaning, neither do his.

He's actually wishing you well.

See how asinine the world becomes when you just get to make up your own definitions and then whine when people don't "respect" them?

 @wacha  You're the one who started in with the f-bombs and the "pinches culeros" BS, not to mention calling the cops racist pigs and talking about racism in general, yet here you come back saying *I* started the racist remarks and you obviously got butt-hurt by my responding to your profanity with profanity - if you don't like it, clean up your own language and mind how you speak to others.

I agree Detective Oberly had no reason to arrest Ms. Torres, and the prosecutor had no reason to prosecute her. The fact that it happened - as I have maintained from my first post - is a travesty and the perpetrators should be punished.

Now, since you asked, "go back to Mexico" is not my personal answer to the immigration issue. "Go back to Mexico" is my advice to you, since you apparently hate living in this racist country and lack the self-control necessary to engage in a rational dialog with people even when they hold different opinions than your own. It's called the right to free speech and you may not like it but you have to respect it, at least enough to ignore speech you find disagreeable. Otherwise you're just giving the whole idea of Constitutional rights a blow job.

Finally, if you can't express yourself without insulting and swearing at people, don't be surprised if people reciprocate in kind.