By Ray Stern
By Ray Stern
By New Times
By Amy Silverman
By Stephen Lemons
By Stephen Lemons
By Monica Alonzo
By Chris Parker
The small crowd of courtroom observers grows hushed as the Reverend Allan Sobol takes the stand.
Sobol's mostly bald, with a graying goatee and mustache. He's dressed in a black suit, with a black shirt and no tie. After he's sworn in, Phoenix attorney Paul Conant asks him a few questions about how he became a minister.
"Ten years ago, I had a heart attack," Sobol, 58, explains solemnly. "It was a back-to-Jesus moment."
The line elicits snickers from several observers. Many in the crowd are his detractors and competitors in the medical-marijuana business.
Sobol's testimony in Judge Katherine Cooper's courtroom on July 31 does, in fact, come off as something of a farce.
Sobol's a publicity hound — a marketer and consultant, a licensed private eye, and former document preparer. Dubbed the "Godfather of Pot" by a local reporter, he's the most prominent figure in Arizona's nascent medical-marijuana industry. He obtained his minister's credentials in 2006 from the Universal Life Church, a mail-order company that requires only that applicants fill out a form online — and which occasionally makes the news for ordaining dogs and other pets.
He's testifying in the case of Nature's Healing Center v. Fountain Hills, a wealthy, isolated desert town in the East Valley that's slated to get just one of Arizona's 97 medical-marijuana dispensaries expected to be authorized under a 2010 law.
Nature's Healing Center wanted to be named the only qualified applicant for that medical-marijuana dispensary and sued the town. The thrust of the company's argument, presented by Conant, was that Sobol had a church in office space at 16929 East Enterprise Drive, in the town's commercial district, and that Fountain Hills required any dispensary to be at least 500 feet from a church. While Nature's Healing Center fell outside that radius, except for a sliver of its property, its competitors were well within. The town should not have approved the other companies' zoning applications, Conant argued.
Sobol, who says he has no business deals with any would-be Fountain Hills dispensary, testifies that he had considered retiring and living in the town, and he figured that someday he'd use his credentials to open a church there. Wouldn't you know it — church space was available right away. So, in March, Sobol rented the office space in question.
Under cross-examination by lawyer Jeffrey Kaufman, who represents several of Nature's Healing Center's competitors, Sobol admits his church has only a dozen parishioners, all of whom must supply their own Bibles and all of whom are medical-marijuana cardholders, like him.
Pictures taken through a church window by one of his detractors, a marijuana activist and one of the courtroom observers, show a mostly empty suite.
"His church is full of shit!" spews Ingrid Joiya, co-founder of Elements Caregiver Collective in North Phoenix, during a short break in testimony. "The man is Jewish!"
Whatever his religious beliefs — and, in interviews, Sobol swears he's really a preacher, even supplying New Times with a blurry picture of him behind a pulpit with two people apparently listening — the evidence suggests a tie between Sobol and Nature's Healing Center, founded by medical-marijuana promoter Dr. Bruce Bedrick.
A town planner says Bedrick contacted him about the tax-exempt status of Sobol's church, and records show that Bedrick considered buying the building that the church inhabits. Bedrick tells New Times he can't recall why he contacted the planner and says he and Sobol's interest in the same property merely is coincidence.
Sobol's reverend claim is the latest slap in the face to his competitors: medical-marijuana consultants and would-be dispensary owners and cannabis-club affiliates trying to carve out their own niche in a new Arizona industry. Sobol has antagonized many of them, going so far as to file a court action in March demanding that police raid several cannabis clubs and describing what he called their illegal schemes. The club Sobol opened last year, meanwhile, was raided by Phoenix police in October in what he says was selective enforcement.
Judge Cooper ultimately denied the monopolizing request by Nature's Healing Center and upheld the approval by Fountain Hills of the other would-be dispensaries.
Love him or hate him, Sobol's antics have had serious consequences that pot advocates can't ignore.
It was Sobol who put himself on the radar of police and prosecutors. As the founder of the 2811 Club LLC, where state-qualified patients could obtain their "medicine," Sobol now faces the prospect of going to prison for several years. In 2011, he was hit with 10 felony charges related to suspected illegal distribution of marijuana.
Meanwhile, other clubs — like the one Joiya started — still are open for business.
In other words, this much-maligned pot huckster may end up as Arizona's most prominent medical-marijuana martyr.
The state of medical marijuana in Arizona is messed up.
Governor Jan Brewer partly is responsible for that.
After a thin majority of voters passed Proposition 203 in 2010, Brewer canceled the dispensary portion of the program, claiming that state workers would be prosecuted for administering it. A federal lawsuit she filed in May 2011 was an obvious attempt by the Republican marijuana foe to get the law declared unconstitutional. It failed. Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Richard Gama, in examining a lawsuit by would-be dispensary owners, ordered Brewer to implement the program as voters intended.
In the vacuum created by Brewer, so-called cannabis clubs cropped up to serve the state's registered medical-marijuana patients, now numbering more than 36,000. Patients are allowed under the law to possess up to 2.5 ounces at any given time. Registered caregivers can't use marijuana unless they're also patients, but they can supply marijuana — and grow it, under certain conditions — for up to five patients.
Patients have flocked to the clubs as an alternative to the black market. Owners and operators of these modern-day speakeasies have claimed that they are exploiting a loophole in the law. The Arizona Medical Marijuana Act prohibits sales of marijuana except by state-authorized dispensaries, yet it allows patients and caregivers to exchange marijuana and even, in some cases, be reimbursed for its production.
The clubs typically consider themselves meeting places for collectives of caregivers or patients who have grown or otherwise obtained high-potency pot, which then can be exchanged. Instead of payment, the clubs and their associated collectives receive "donations" from members — which happen to match street prices of approximately $400 an ounce.
A few Valley clubs and/or collectives have been raided by police and shut down. But more keep popping up. At least one, the Arizona Cannabis Society in El Mirage, re-opened after a raid. Prosecutions have been fewer. After the federal Drug Enforcement Agency raided Tempe's Arizona Go Green Co-op, state Attorney General Tom Horne's office dropped charges against the owner, James Chaney, and an employee. Bill Hayes, one of the founders of the Arizona Cannabis Society, is yet to be charged after his outfit was busted by Phoenix police in May. And Garry Ferguson, whose Tempe club had the distinction last year of being the first such business to be raided, never was charged.
County Attorney Bill Montgomery, an ambitious conservative who wants the medical-marijuana law canceled by the feds, voters be damned, is moving forward with prosecutions of employees of two cannabis clubs, including Sobol's.
Montgomery is trying to force the issue, possibly in conjunction with police and the state Attorney General's Office. Fact is, the question about the legality of the clubs still is to be determined in Arizona, as authorities well know.
A civil action filed by Horne asking a judge to determine whether cannabis clubs and collectives are acting illegally has been simmering in court for more than a year. Early on in that case, Superior Court Judge Dean Fink rejected a motion by the state to enjoin the clubs from operating.
Another question is, what will happen to the clubs once the state-authorized dispensaries open?
And, of course, many questions swirl about the dispensaries themselves, which could open in a few weeks. The biggest question is whether federal or state officials will allow them to operate in peace.
A federal crackdown on dispensaries that began earlier this year in California has continued unabated. However, Colorado, which has a system of state-authorized pot stores similar to the one getting set up in Arizona, has seen no widespread crackdown.
On August 6, Horne released an official opinion that the Arizona law's dispensary component is unconstitutional because it is superseded by federal law. (The way the law decriminalizes cardholders and caregivers, though, wasn't preempted by federal law, his office decided.) Horne predicted that a state court soon will declare the dispensaries illegal, and he warned would-be dispensary owners that it might be wise to hold off on their plans.
Following Horne's opinion, Montgomery said he hoped to prosecute patients and caregivers who grow marijuana and dispensaries that sell it — even if they have state approval.
Despite the threats of prohibitionists, the names of 97 companies and groups that will be authorized to sell marijuana in Arizona were pulled from a lottery-style air-blower by the state Department of Health Services on August 7. The lucky applicants were culled from a total of 426 who each paid $5,000 for the opportunity to be in the running. The losers get $1,000 back.
DHS Director Will Humble tells New Times that he won't let his agency dawdle in the final inspection process. If a dispensary is ready to go and receives approval from inspectors, Humble says it could open as soon as September 1.
State law allows patients and caregivers to grow marijuana if no dispensary is open within 25 miles, so another byproduct of Brewer's tinkering will be a proliferation of home-grows. Some consider this a good thing, but others — especially those with interest in dispensary businesses — disagree.
The fierce competition among would-be dispensary owners, medical-marijuana advocates, and the state has spawned numerous lawsuits. Some predict the losers in the DHS drawing process also plan to sue.
Al Sobol — who made a splash in the news media, even before the 2010 law passed, with his mock dispensary in North Phoenix, complete with jars of moss as stand-ins for the real product — has managed to insert himself into many of medical marijuana's major issues.
He continues to run a school for hopeful dispensary owners. He's an unwilling test subject in how the anti-marijuana criminal code meshes with the more permissive new law. And he's a party in the lawsuit filed by Horne about cannabis clubs.
Sobol has managed to anger a lot of people in the medical-marijuana industry with his hardball tactics, trash-talking, and litigious nature. From Will Humble to certain police officers and pot-industry peers, Sobol is considered a troublemaker.
But amid the confusion over a revolutionary state law, Sobol doesn't deserve to be thrown behind bars like a cartel kingpin.
Not when he and others in similar predicaments clearly have served patients, many of whom suffer from medical ailments they believe marijuana helps.
Allan Ulric Sobol has been making waves for years, though he never has been in the serious trouble he's in now.
He moved from New York to Scottsdale in 1997. He states in a 2010 court filing that he's "auto-didactic," a fancy word for self-taught, and that he's worked as a legal assistant for many lawyers for many years.
He was a real estate agent in New York, where in 1996 he got appointed to the New York State Alternative Dispute Resolution Program's board of directors. Sobol claims he had a high success rate as a court mediator, plus an unblemished record.
But in 1993, he was found to have engaged in the unauthorized practice of law in his real estate business "by preparing and offering for signature a lease agreement for real property," records show.
It's unclear whether he was disciplined for the offense, but he sued the New York State Association of Realtors for defamation after it publicized its conclusions about his case. A court threw out the case, and in 1997, an appeals court upheld the lower court's decision.
Records show that Sobol filed for bankruptcy just before moving to Arizona, where he earned money by helping people file their own bankruptcy documents.
He became registered with the Arizona Board of Legal Document Preparers in 2003, when the state began a program to oversee such activities. Two years later, the board voted to revoke Sobol's document-preparer's license, claiming that (as in New York) he had engaged in the unauthorized practice of law.
The board had reviewed at least three complaints, including one alleging Sobol "offered himself as an attorney," gave incorrect legal advice, and made threats to take legal action against a woman. Sobol insists the latter claim was a fabrication. Regarding the other two, he claims in legal paperwork that the clients agreed to drop their complaints but that the board pressed the complaints anyway.
In October 2005, the board voted to revoke the certification of Sobol and his company (Quick and Legal Paralegal), slapped him with a $6,000 fine, and ordered him to pay about $20,000 in restitution to clients.
He later sued the board for defamation. Acting as his own lawyer, as he usually does, Sobol claimed in court filings that an unnamed board member confided in him that other board members believed he "had a lurid past with an association in the mafia. They alleged that the plaintiff was incompetent, dishonest, and unethical."
Sobol says these supposed claims by board members are false and outrageous. But he couldn't make headway with his lawsuit, and it was tossed out. He also filed a defamation suit against a client who made a complaint about him to the board; that suit failed as well.
Sobol appealed the dismissal of his lawsuit against the board. In court records he filed in May 2007, Sobol wrote that he was facing the "impending breakup of his 32-year marriage, coupled with having to simultaneously re-invent himself professionally after the loss of his ability to ply his trade as a document preparer."
The problems, Sobol wrote in an appeal motion, "consumed his emotional health" and nearly bankrupted him. (He and his wife later divorced.)
The board got a new complaint in 2009 that Sobol still was preparing documents, resulting in a cease-and-desist order in April 2010 by Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Hugh Hegyi. The order reminded Sobol that he can't do legal paperwork for people, can't negotiate anyone's legal rights, and can't express legal opinions. The judge also dismissed another lawsuit Sobol filed against a board member.
Not long thereafter, Sobol filed a complaint against the Board of Legal Document Preparers with the U.S. Justice Department, alleging a criminal conspiracy to harass him.
Now, he feels he's the target of harassment again. But it's not just his livelihood that under threat — it's his freedom.
Sobol found success in the medical-marijuana field even before voters passed Proposition 203.
Early on, he was blasted by critics who see him as a profit-hungry showboater whose indiscretion gives the entire industry a bad name.
His main business has been consulting and education. He runs classes for people interested in operating a dispensary, growing marijuana, or otherwise stepping into the medical-pot business. In a poster he displayed for his students, he claimed that a single dispensary could expect as much as $19 million a year in gross sales — if it had about 800 patients each buying the statutory maximum of five ounces a month. The claim was unrealistic, in part because it required each patient to shell out $2,000 monthly. But Sobol's point was that the new industry would make some people very rich.
Sobol opened the mock dispensary in fall 2010 and invited the news media to photograph it. It was a good way to get free advertising for his businesses.
Sobol revels in his reputation as a bad boy. His marketing company is called Consiglieri LLC — consiglieri being an Italian word that typically means top adviser to a mafia boss. The company's website home page used to play the theme from The Godfather.
As New Times reported in February 2011, Sobol made fast enemies with the Marijuana Policy Project people who launched the voter initiative, accusing them and Will Humble in a complaint to the Justice Department of collaborating unfairly in the DHS rule-making process. Humble denied the allegation.
By that April, Sobol was dissed publicly by Humble, who's seen by many in the industry as a reasonable bureaucrat who has done a decent job implementing the medical-marijuana program, despite having to work at the whim of his boss, Governor Brewer. Humble told the Phoenix Business Journal that although he's accepted invitations to speak at many medical-marijuana associations, he turned down such a request by a group formed by Sobol, the Arizona Association of Dispensary Professionals.
"I don't go to speaking engagements where I believe my appearance could present a bad image for the department," Humble said at the time. "I'm not confident that [Sobol] is running a professional organization. I'm sorry, but the image he has portrayed is not something I want to have our department associated with."
A few months later, the compassion club Sobol had opened was raided and closed down. He and five of his employees were charged with multiple felonies.
The 2811 Club LLC was opened by Sobol in a North Phoenix strip mall. It was a place where some of the thousands of state-approved marijuana patients could obtain their medicine. Several other compassion clubs had sprouted up around the Valley in the wake of Governor Brewer's decision to delay the dispensary program, and Sobol explained to the media that the 2811 Club's business model was legal under Arizona law.
Essentially, he said, the club was just a gathering place where patients legally could share medical pot with other patients. Most of the pot would be distributed by a patient-advocacy group, of which Sobol would ask no questions. Club members paid $75 each time they entered the place, and one of the benefits of membership was "free" marijuana.
The medical-marijuana law prohibits transfer of marijuana between patients for money or anything else of value, but a registered caregiver can be compensated for obtaining pot for patients. From a legal perspective, the business model of compassion clubs was unclear.
Last summer, Will Humble, after reading about the clubs in New Times, asked AG Tom Horne to look into the matter. Horne subsequently filed a lawsuit in county Superior Court that sought to have the clubs declared illegal. Named as defendants were the 2811 Club, the Arizona Compassion Association (the group that allegedly shared pot with patients at Sobol's club), the Yoki A Ma' Club, the Arizona Compassion Club, and employee Michael Miller of Sobol's club.
Asked at the time why he simply didn't order police to raid the clubs, Horne replied that he was trying the "soft approach" and wanted to be the "good guy."
If a judge decided the clubs were illegal, Horne told the news media, he would give the clubs time to close before any police action.
The case landed in Judge Dean Fink's court — and Fink quickly ruled against a motion by Horne that sought an injunction to ban the clubs from operating.
The questions swirling around the new law obviously were more complex than they had seemed.
"I want the courts to weigh in and make a decision," Sobol said at the time. He boasted that police frequently stopped by his club and seemed to have no problem with it. Seven officers attended a 21/2-hour class at the club and later offered security advice, he said.
Two months later, on October 12, it was no more Officers Friendly. Heavily armed cops showed up at the club in the morning, some wearing ski masks. They knocked, then served a search warrant after an employee unlocked the front door.
Sobol wasn't there. Police detained temporarily, then released, the employees: Stephen and Dawn Cammllarie, Michael and Susan Miller, and Shawn Brittan.
Police seized the club's computers and records, as well as marijuana and cash. Cops also found a handgun belonging to one of the employees, which added a weapons-misconduct count to each defendant's 10 charges. The rest of the charges were for alleged distribution of marijuana.
The Cammllaries pleaded guilty in June and each was sentenced to a year of probation and a $10,000 fine.
They "got scared," Sobol says.
The others, including Sobol, so far have rejected similar deals.
"We call ourselves the Phoenix Four," Sobol says of the remaining defendants. "This is an attack on our civil liberties and our constitutional rights. These guys have no respect for the law and the will of the voters."
Sobol says he was "transparent" with authorities from the beginning about his club and isn't worried about going to prison.
"The prosecutors tried to intimidate me into signing a plea," he says. "They told me there would be no probation, that I was going to jail for 20 years."
Though probation is a possibility, each of the 10 counts being prosecuted by Montgomery's office carries a presumptive sentence of 31/2 years in prison.
Sobol believes he's been targeted unfairly by the authorities.
And it does appear he's getting a raw deal: After all, it could be argued that no one should be prosecuted for operating a compassion club before the question of its legality is decided by the courts.
Horne's office needed more information about how compassion clubs operated for its lawsuit on the legality question. Police raids helped provide that information.
In December 2011, Tempe police served warrants at the Yoki A Ma' Club in Tempe and Mesa and arrested six people following a five-month investigation. A seventh was arrested at the club's Nevada location. The club employees have been socked with dozens of felony charges. Some have taken plea deals. Others, including the owner, Craig Scherf, are awaiting trial.
Scherf, like Sobol, tells New Times that police should have waited for Judge Fink's decision.
Horne maintains there was no collusion between his office and police on the club raids.
However, a Phoenix police spokesman admitted to New Times that his agency knew of the civil case before the 2811 Club raid and even had discussed it with the AG's Office. This runs counter to the claim of no collusion, but police and Horne won't elaborate. Another police spokesman, Sergeant Tommy Thompson, says he doesn't believe anyone asked police to raid any compassion club. Cops received information that pot was being sold at the 2811 Club, and that's what undercover officers found, despite claims of "free" pot offered as a benefit of club membership, he says.
Montgomery declined to comment on any specific case his office is handling.
Horne did, however, answer some questions about the civil case on compassion clubs. The case, now more than a year old, has been delayed because of "a number of discovery issues," Horne wrote in an e-mail.
"Now, because the clubs the [AG's Office] sued are no longer in business, the parties began discussing a settlement to resolve the [suit]. The judge has ordered the parties to meet in a settlement conference. The parties are waiting for a date to be set by the settlement conference judge," he wrote.
Sobol filed a motion in June asking Judge Fink to rule in his favor, saying his business model constituted a legally protected social association and that he was a victim of malicious prosecution.
The "discovery issues" were manufactured by the authorities, Sobol contends. He says police, the County Attorney's Office, and the attorney general intentionally delayed examining the club's computers in both the civil and criminal cases. Sobol says the data can prove no marijuana actually was "sold" to undercover officers who infiltrated the club.
"The evidence shows they didn't buy it — they got it for free," he says.
There's no dispute that the undercover officers, when going into the club, were asked for their state medical-marijuana cards.
That's got to count for something.
It's obvious why some people in the medical-marijuana industry want to nail the Reverend Sobol to a proverbial cross.
To bolster the idea that he's been unfairly and selectively targeted for prosecution, Sobol filed an emergency petition in Superior Court demanding that the Attorney General's Office and the Phoenix Police Department investigate, arrest, and prosecute several of his competitors.
The petition lays out specifics of why Sobol thinks the clubs are violating the medical-marijuana act and drug-trafficking laws. Ironically, the accusation Sobol makes against Ingrid Joiya's club, Elements Caregiver Collective, sound similar to those police levied against his 2811 Club — that is, membership fees are paid by registered cardholders to acquire marijuana.
Sobol's petition accuses police of failing to bust a "farmers market" held in Phoenix where, he alleges, pot was sold and smoked in public.
He also accuses Gerald Gaines, CEO of the Compassion First Caregiver Circle, of running an illegal "sharecropping" scheme involving marijuana growers. Gaines is the philanthropist and Sprint PCS founder who successfully sued the state earlier this year and forced Brewer to stop delaying the medical-marijuana program. Sobol even used Labyrinth Investigations, his own private-eye firm, to compile a report on Gaines' company. He forwarded his findings to the feds.
Targeting Gaines seems part of a dispute between the two: Last year, Sobol sued Gaines for defamation, alleging he operated a blog that made disparaging statements about Sobol. Gaines won the case in a default judgment after Sobol abandoned the defamation case, leading to a $5,000 award against Sobol.
The emergency petition to bust Sobol's competitors was tossed out of court on August 2 after he gave up on it and filed a motion to dismiss.
"I made my point" with that court action, he says, elaborating that police — in their response to his petition — admitted they have "blanket discretion" to choose whom they will prosecute. Sobol claims police are wrong and that their response will help his criminal case. (Gaines, after the August 7 lottery, ended up with the dispensary in Fountain Hills. Sobol says 10 of his clients were selected.)
Sobol also has a pending slander case against compassion-club founder Ingrid Joiya (whose real name is Ingrid Warrick) for claiming his church and ministerial status were fake.
Joiya didn't want to be interviewed for this article, but in a March e-mail to Sobol, she called his reverend claim "demonic" and "diabolical."
Ryan Hurley, a Valley lawyer who represents several would-be dispensary owners, has no love for Sobol, either. He's also advised clients and the public that compassion clubs are a "stretch under the law" and "very risky" for operators. But he doesn't want to see anyone prosecuted who opens a club for "altruistic reasons" and clearly puts the patients' needs first.
"My personal feelings about Al Sobol aside, the attorney general and county attorney should . . . let this resolve itself in civil court before they go out and arrest people."
Sobol does claim his club was opened primarily to help patients obtain their medicine. And, he says, authorities want to make an example of him because he has been so "outspoken" about medical marijuana.
"I was their biggest critic — I called [state officials] liars and thieves," Sobol says. "They want to shut me down so they can further their political agenda, which is to stop the medical-marijuana movement."
Indeed, right-wingers Brewer, Horne, and Montgomery are dedicated to overturning the voter-approved law. A ruling against Sobol in the civil case against compassion clubs and a conviction in his criminal case would help them achieve that goal.
The Reverend Sobol prays that they will fail.
And, presumably, so do the state voters who approved the medical-marijuana law.
I think it's time to stop "apologizing" to justify medical marijuana consumption. People feel the need to submit a medical history - Obviously, this is because of the stigma that goes back to the 60's and hippy era. If you use marijuana you are lazy and unwashed! You do not need to have stage 4 cancer and a prosthetic hip implant from 1954 made from balsa wood to justify pot use to the “non believers” !!
My blog site recently conducted an investigation in Los Angeles and watched the FBI spend $4 grand in tax dollars (man hours, informant fees, gasoline, etc) to pursue a $25 dollar bag of weed. Yes, 3.5 grams of cannabis - in a state where it is a non-criminal infraction and fine of $100 bucks.
It's unfortunate that Allan Sobol is the face for the medical marijuana movement in Arizona. He's an obnoxious, greedy, profiteer who has shown us what's wrong with the emerging medical marijuana system. There's always got to be one in the crowd. Allan fights to get his name in the paper, or any type of PR (there's no such thing as bad PR?) to get his name associated with the new movement.
This is only the beginning as the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary Cartels and Puerile Pot Clowns begin to destroy the intent and purpose of "medical" marijuana in Arizona.
It took less than 24 months for them to completely destroy the Colorado Medical Marijuana system which had peacefully and privately existed since 2000.
Behold your future, Arizona.
Jan Brewer sticks to medicinal bourbon and can't understand why anyone would want to get high on pot when they could just get drunk like her and her friends.
The law passed by 43 people in 2010. small or large, it passed, and with the voter initiative act of 2000 after Romley denied voters for years their medicine. What is the deal with this corrupt Arizona government? Their actually is a federal law that enables me as a federal disabled ADA patient to acquire my medicine without coercion by anyone other than a federal judge. Anyone else can be detained or arrested for not allowing me to acquire my federal allowed medicine with a card or Medical Examination Need Report.
Now as for this NON-profit church aka "medicine cooperative", what this founder is doing is not the most ethical, but it actually is the right way to run a NoN Profit cooperative by Rochester principles.. The problem the feds have is how the "profits" are distributed among the many local organizations and the release of medical marijuana to non medical card holders, which makes it a federal crime. What gets me mad is the "coercion" he is playing with a law that just got passed and his going after other clubs with the authorities. He is a greedy selfish man named "AS". Throw the book at him!!
I am also sick of Govenor Brewer. She is playing a pick and choose operation in this state! I believe the MMJ law had implemented a order of time that the law was suppose to be implemented and now it is 2 yrs. later and still not running. I also believe that the dispensaries are suppose to be open RIGHT NOW while the ploiticians TRY to dismember the law in court. I hear more lawsuits on individual person/s and state gov.concerning the new law. Is Brewer and gang--"KKK"?
It would make sense with what has been going on in AZ!
why doesnt montgomery and horne mentioned anything about the Voter Protection Act of 2000.....ya, know, the act put in place by "the people" in 2000 in response to the az legislature "voting" to "get rid of" the mmj law passed by az voters in 1998...ya, know the one that states "all initiative passed by the people can only be overturned by a 75% vote of the legislature"...period...not "if i think it applies" not "if i like it or not" and not" fed law,world law,international law"..
remember you took an "Oath of "Office to uphold the ARIZONA constitution and ARIZONA laws, not the US Constitution and federal law....so even if you walk into STATE court, the judge is probally going to ask if you have the legislative votes, not DEA,FBI, fed law this or fed law that...remember under STATE law, prop.203(a voter passed initiative) falls directly under this law and the STATE judge does not care about fed law...that is for fed court not state court system. guys, if you want the initiative gone, just have our state reps vote it out, all you need is a 75% majority, now seee, isnt that easy?...go ahead, have them vote...go on...thats "the law" now isnt it?
Mr. Sobol has made many enemies in the local cannabis community. The cops and prosecutors dislike him as well. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
Allan Sobal told me personally he opened that church so his competitors could not open!
What lies he spews.
Also I fought Yavapi country and won with out of state MMJ card.
I helped over 1000 Az patients last year but left Az due to the amazing amount of corruption in Az.
JAN BREWER IS THE DEFINITION OF A NAZI !!!!!!
The Healing Center Medical clinic
"auto-didactic" means you are a smart ass who believes you don't need all that book-lerning to engage in a profession and you are smarter than the professionals themselves. Loots of idiots like that out there.
@tom10545az Meanwhile, up in Colorado voters prepare to vote on flat out legalization. A couple of other states, too, are doing similarly. How you going to deal with that, eh? Happy cerebral infarcts, Republican caucus! Enjoy being on the crappy end of the stick this time, prohibitionists. Might as well get used to it: your time has come and almost gone.
@tom10545az They could, maybe get the legislature to put a repeal vote on the ballot. That, however, might backfire in their arrogant faces. Man up, tea baggers! Put that BS on the ballot and see how far you get.
@thcmc420Is this not your own Dr?
2013-10-04T07:32:02 (6/10/2013) Action Taken: Practice Restriction Allegation of Complaint: Please reference the following Document State: Arizona Documentation: Download here (PDF) http://www.healthgrades.com/media/english/pdf/sanctions/HGPY104BBC3085886983706102013.pdf
@thcmc420 Mike Smith, didn't you leave Arizona because the Arizona medical Board found your Dr grossly incompetent and removed his license to practice medicine in the state? And now you have the same Dr passing out med cards to anyone with $250 in Alaska (for a short time anyway, I have put the wheels in motion to have his right to practice medicine here in Alaska removed too.)
You are a blight on the medical marijuana movement and your only in it for the quick buck you see.
@thcmc420 I don't think I'd goes as far as to describe Brewer as a Nazi. Fascist is probably more accurate.
hows Alaska? Hook me up with a webcam consult for my AK rec. @thcmc420
@SeedyWard Once again, bigotry rears its ugly head. Just like not all liberals are communist / socialist / tree huggers / pro-gay marriage (just look at CA, heavily liberal, yet pro-traditional marriage), not all Republicans / Conservatives want to see marijuana or any other drug criminalized. Many, and I mean many, vote for decriminalization and legalizing when given the choice.
@SeedyWard @tom10545az one more thing, monty and hony(i was going to say horney, but i didnt), in oct the circuit court for D.C.(that is a federal court, ya know) will start hearing on the DEA's having marijuana as a Schedule I drug..this is really going to be fun, with all the studies from "independent" scientist, dr's, etc. from around the world, not to mention sativex is available now or in a country near you soon..
.so its now gonna be....No Medical use in the USA..that outta go over good, or how about "becasue we said so, go to hell with evidence"...i know, you will use about 8-10,000 words to basically same the same thing....but really, you think a federal judge is gonna go along with that, is this country really that far gone?
better hurry up, things are really lookin' bad for y'all, even at the "Federal Law"(your term)...level
if your lookin' to enforce "federal law", why dont you go help the feds in oregon and colorado arrest everybody when it becomes legal in nov.
@SeedyWard Your nasty little Tea Party comment shows your utter ignorance, bigotry and hate. As a TP supporter I fully support complete legalization of pot, decriminalization of drug use, and a litany of other things you liberal bigots think "we" are "all" against. Feel free to keep being an idiot, but stop speaking at or for me or many of my friends, as you simply expose your dimwittery.
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You are a stupid
Sorry not legal by webcam in Az or Ak
@SeedyWard for you & your lib prog friends:
WR Hearst was a Dem. He is the one behind fed MJ prohibition. WR was a greedy liar, fear monger & anti MJ propagandist.
Did I mention Hearst was a DEMOCRAT??? :-)
"With the blessing of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, a DEMocrat, Anslinger lead the way into getting the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 passed by a DEMocratic Party majority Congress and signed into law." [Emphasis added. :-)]
Said law was signed by FDR, a DEMOCRAT POTUS.
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Going by your logic, that would mean all Dems are prohibs. But we know better than that, correct?I have never lumped all D's together like you do TEA's & conservatives.
Since you seem to hate the TEA peeps, I guess you oppose the only major 'party' candidate who would would work to RE-legalize herb & hemp, call the feds off CA & pardon all nonviolent 'drug offenders' in the USA. ALL of them!! 0 keeps ALL of them locked up...who are the bad guys again? :-)
Ron Paul is the major 'party' candidate. Full disclosure: Ron is not for USING drugs. He thinks it's a bad idea. As best I can tell, in spite of his personal views, he IS for restoring civil liberties & the ownership of your body back to you. Drugs, prohibition ect for him are subtopics. The main topic is individual freedom & liberty in conjunction with personal responsibility, restoring state rights & the fed govt following the US Constitution.
So what's yer dude doing? By his inactivity to cease the raids, 0 is encouraging the fascist gestapo our militarized police on all levels have become & are becoming. Like I said above, 0 is doing nothing about the CA raids & illegal intervention of the feds into state affairs. Can you support 0 with your vote with out supporting his heavy handed allowance of fed raids on civil liberties in CA?
Just askin. I would think if you are for restoring individual freedom you would like Ron Paul a lot. Go figure...
You are correct. Mitt & P Ryan are more than likely just as bad.
@MrAmazing If it's impossible to know what tea baggers believe, then why do they advertise their bizarre agenda? Furthermore, why would anyone join up with them unless their agenda were easily understood? They don't seem to be the sharpest pencils in the pack.
As far as the disgusting sexual reference, they adopted it before we hanged it on them. The reference had to be explained to the old anachronisms after they were already using it. Only then did they back peddle and get all squeamish.
@Tomato Teabagger is a disgusting sexual reference, so by your own words you expose your bigotry - defined as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance".
Thought you might want clarification as you clearly do not know the definition of the word.
@SeedyWard And by definition you prove your bigotry. It is literally impossible to know what most Tea Party members are like or believe, and so your hate speech from the disgusting "tea bagger" to your piss comment continue to expose your rage and hate. Seems the libbies are coming unhinged all over. Sad really, I though y'all had more substance.
@MrAmazing You wouldn't even have the chance to vote on these issues if it weren't for rabble rousers like us. I'll admit bias against the tea baggers, though. Bigotry would be way too strong a word, as I view most tea baggers as ignorant simpletons. Libertarians OTOH, at least think about issues and I respect their point of view. Social conservatives can drink my piss.
Don't you just love it when Teabaggers start calling other people bigots. Look up the word, Mr. Amazing... It's imposible to be a bigot against bigots.
SeedyWard. , well seedy, Mr. Amazing is right.
The meet up groups that became the TEA Party, by a huge margin , support Ron Paul. Ron is an inspiration to us TEA peeps.
Dr. Paul also happens to be in favor of RE-legalizing smoked cannabis & industrial hemp. Ron would pardon all non-violent 'drug offenders' if elected. 0 would NEVER do that. 0 has allowed raids in CA after saying he would ease up.
You should be on 0 & his administration's case, more than the TEA peeps. Not all lib progs are for RE-legalization either.
I am TEA party, fiscal conservative, Christian & Ron Paul supporter. Like Dr. Paul, I advocate for the restoration of the Bill of Rights & that the fed govt should be put back under our Constitution's restrictions..Your boy 0 is just the opposite, so tell us again, who are the bad peeps?
I also advocate, as Dr. Paul, that the war on some drugs be ended. I advocate that all drugs should be re-legalized & run through state dispensaries, no feds at all. There should be councilors for the many street user addicts who want to be free to quit & free from prosecution.
Before any one is allowed to purchase, at lower than cartel prices, their stuff of choice, there should be Consequences Of Use education. Some street drugs are very dangerous, almost as dangerous as Rx concoctions.
Like Dr. Paul said at one of the debates, something along the lines of: "It's not about legalizing heroin! It's about restoring civil liberties!" in a reply to a Fox 'News' dude who was trying to bait & switch the topic.
You are tacitly saying that only TEA peeps & conservatives are for prohibition. Are all the voters in AZ TEA? No. So, going by the thin margin that passed the MMJ law, there are those from all sides that voted against the reform. You cheap shot was not very well thought out.
But that's usually the case for those who follow Rules For Radicals...
Now let us at least unite on the point at hand, please. Thanks.
Not an attack or smear, nor am I posting in anger. I only offer a big correction to your mis-conception.
@MrAmazing unfortunately the tea party is overrun with big government social conservatives who care nothing about my person privacy and my right to liberty inside of my own home.
@SeedyWard I have zero interest in discussing anything with you as your choice of words and attitude give 6 year olds a bad name. It seems nastiness and vitriol are liberal standard bearers and the vast majority of us are beyond sick of your hate and judgment. Making sweeping generalizations about people you do not know is the very definition of bigotry, which is just another kind of hate.
@MrAmazing Face facts: most of your tea bagging buddies are on the other side of the issue. Half of the rest are just waiting for their alleged superiors to tell them what to think. How much pro-cannabis agitation have you seen come from tea bag HQ?
@Cozz Look up the definition of neo-facism. You will find a spot on description of Az conservatism.
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A bona-Fide relationship is seeing them in person.
Dr failed to check data base when he wrote for pain pills.Stupid mistake NOT A REASON TO LOSE LICENSE
ARIZONA MEDICAL BOARD DOES NOT WANT MMJ THEY WANT YOU TO DIE USING PAIN PILLS...........
THE ARIZONA MEDICAL BOARD ARE
WILL HUMBLE IS A LOSER DRUNK
GOV BREWER IS A UGLY OLD HAG THAT IS DRUNK EVERYDAY
ARIZONA SUCKS GLAD I AM NOT THERE
TWEKER CENTRAL IS WHAT ARIZONA IS?
Use your real name if you expect a reply
No but it looks like Allan did ratting out others in a courtroom so they can not open.
Mike Smith the law man now? You join the police force or something? @thcmc420
Az state law requires a Bona-fide Doctor patient relationship NOT prior medical records.
Learn the law before you spew.
Right. But the reason I asked Mike Smith instead of some other douchebag was because the real Mike Smith doesn't take direction from THE MAN and says fuck the law because patients need protection. Maybe I mistook you for someone else who used to certify patients without any medical records because its the right thing to do. @thcmc420