He also testified that there were 20 to 30 so-called "Simpson hearings" — wherein non-bondable defendants can appeal to have bail granted — during that same period,

However, the standard of proof is so high that Simpson hearings rarely are won. Knapp said that in all of the 20 to 30 Simpson hearings, defendants lost.

Knapp also said that some defendants don't know their immigration statuses when questioned in an interrogation carried out by MCSO deputies before being read their Miranda rights.

And he acknowledged that people with legal status have been held non-bondable by the county.

In one case, he testified, a U.S. citizen was held non-bondable for 45 days before the defendant's lawyer was able to produce a birth certificate issued in the United States.

It is the judge at the initial appearance, or "IA court," who decides whether an arrestee can be held without bail.

Prosecutors and deputies show up at the initial appearance and present the judge with information alleging that there is probable cause to believe someone is illegal — and that the "proof is evident or the presumption great" that the person has committed at least a class-four felony.

Most accused in Prop 100 cases are indigent, but they are not allowed a public defender at the IA court, and they are not informed at the IA court that they have a right to a Simpson hearing to challenge their non-bondable status.

These defendants eventually are assigned public defenders paid for by the county, but one such lawyer deposed for the ACLU lawsuit stated that it sometimes takes four weeks before a public defender meets with his or her client.

And so, from the IA court on, the county subjects these defendants to grinding pressure to plead guilty and thereby escape Arpaio's jails — as their sentences may amount to no more than probation or time served.

But that guilty plea, once the defendants are turned over to ICE, makes them removable and barred from ever benefiting from whatever immigration reform Congress may pass this year.

The argument that the undocumented are more likely to be a flight risk is contradicted by the simple fact that most funneled through this system do not want to be deported.

Often, they have extensive ties to the community and own homes and, like Luz Ruiz Rascon, have American-citizen children and have lived and worked in Arizona for a long time.

Their entire lives are here. Take, for example, Octavio Castaneda Flores, who was arrested in October by an investigator for the Arizona Department of Transportation and still sits non-bondable in the Durango Jail under charges of forgery and taking the ID of another.

Ironically, the identity Flores allegedly stole belongs to Luis Franco, a convicted felon with multiple prior offenses currently serving a two-year sentence in the Arizona Department of Corrections for a dangerous-drug violation.

Flores purportedly used the identity to work at an Ashley Furniture store in Phoenix for eight years. He has lived in Arizona since he came here with his parents when he was 15.

The 27-year-old has every reason to fight to remain in the country. He has a wife and three U.S.-citizen children, with another on the way.

He graduated from high school in the Valley, and his brothers, his parents, and his entire extended family are here.

Flores is an applicant for President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which could accept him — if he is found not guilty of a felony. A conviction not only would scotch his chances for DACA but would make him deportable.

The young father has proved, on more than one occasion, that he is not a flight risk. As was originally reported by New Times ("Bill Montgomery's Ghost of Christmas Present: Injustice," December 24), when Flores' arresting officer, ADOT Detective Chris Oberly, didn't show for his Simpson hearing the week before Christmas, a judge granted Flores a low bond of $3,600.

Flores' lawyer of record, Dori Zavala, and Zavala's fellow immigration attorney, Delia Salvatierra, chair of the Immigration Section of the State Bar of Arizona, persuaded ICE to lift its hold on Flores, thus allowing him to bond out and be with his wife and kids for the holiday.

The judge continued the hearing until January 7, and Flores dutifully appeared, just as he did for an appearance in immigration court during the interim.

ADOT's Oberly once more was a no-show, but ADOT sent a stand-in, and the Simpson hearing went forward.

Zavala argued that her client had no "intent to defraud" and had not created a fake ID to work.

She also raised serious constitutional issues, specifically that the state was barred, under federal law, from using as evidence Flores' I-9, a federal form certifying eligibility to work lawfully in the United States, as well as any associated documents in his personnel file with Ashley Furniture.

And she observed that the U.S. Supreme Court's recent SB 1070 decision in Arizona v. U.S. had upheld the lower court's injunction against section 5(c) of the law, which made it a crime to seek or hold employment in Arizona without valid documents.

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glyphhunter
glyphhunter

While I'm no fan of Sheriff Joe and his immigration sweeps, and I'm sympathetic to Mrs. Flores' plight, I must disagree that her crime is victimless. Years ago I was contacted by the IRS who insisted that I didn't report (and pay taxes) all of my income. They insisted that I worked for an employer and claimed exempt, and they wanted me to pay taxes on that income. According to them, I worked for a place that I never heard of. I tried contacting this business, but they stonewalled me, probably in an effort to protect themselves and the employee that was using my SS#.


I was young, didn't know my rights, and had pretty much nothing in the way of resources. I ended up having my wages attached to pay income tax on someone else's earnings, someone who randomly picked my SS# to get a job.

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

What drives MCAO Montgomery and Arizona's prosecutors, the race to incarcerate Arizona's people for political and financial gain.  They do not know the meaning of their jobs as ministers of justice. The private prison corporations, CCA and GEO, High Ground lobbyists / Chuck Coughlin / Senseman / ALEC "lining" their pockets and political agenda. They have lost their moral compass.

The direction Arizona's prosecutors are taking the once fine state of Arizona -- "prison state for the nation" using illegal immigrants for $$$'s, while legal immigrants will get broad-brushed into the fray. Wake up folks. All are at risk.

BILLIONS BEHIND BARS: INSIDE AMERICA'S PRISON INDUSTRY  CNBC Originals


http://www.hulu.com/watch/335492?from=fb_share

don.dodondo
don.dodondo

She did the crime and she should do the time.  Undoubtedly US taxpayer dollars are paying for the treatment of her child's cancer so you would think she would be a bit more respectful of our laws.

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

The artist's brilliantly done cover page for the Phoenix New Times says it all. A picture is worth a thousand words. 

DNichols
DNichols

"America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."

Alex De Tocqueville, a very wise 1840's French Historian.

This sum's up America's Immigration, and Economic Crisises, which both began January 2008 with the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs which are responsible for Tens of Thousands of now Dead Hispanic's at the Harsh U.S. Mexico Border where I.C.E. Dumped Hundreds of Thousands of Human Beings into a known "Drug War" with nothing, not even water to be Killed, or to Die of the Harsh Elements.

To: Good, and Brotherhood, from Sea to shining Sea.

glennp21
glennp21

After reading seaveral of the comments on the page I feel that I might be in the wrong forum. I am and will allways be a republican and I live in Arizona where the border crossings are bad. What happened to the idiology of taking care of your own first and others later. We are a democracy that gives billions of dollars to other countries and is talking about raising taxes. And know we want to take in at least 11 millon people. I understand all the pollitics to this endenor but I am against it. TAKE CARE OF THE POOR AND OTHERS IN THE US FIRST

glennp21
glennp21

To: Mother Jones

It sounds like you are a religious person which I appreciate, but we have a constitutional law that separates government from state. WE THE PEOPLE are having a hard enough time fending for our selfs and we have had the burden of the illegal population on our backs for some many years.

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

"But human beings matter little in the corporate state"... MCAO is the entry point to Arizona's "shredding-machine", where undocumented workers who built the state of Arizona's "new"growth were criminalized by his predecessor's laws and agenda, joined at the hip with Arizona's true "God", an aging county sheriff.  Montgomery is advancing their agenda. This has gotten worse, not better.

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

Profiting From Human Misery 


http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/profiting_from_human_misery_20130217/

"But human beings matter little in the corporate state. We myopically serve the rapacious appetites of those dedicated to exploitation and maximizing profit. And our corporate masters view prisons—as they do education, health care and war—as a business. The 320-bed Elizabeth Detention Center, which houses only men, is run by one of the largest operators and owners of for-profit prisons in the country, Corrections Corporation of America. CCA, traded on the New York Stock Exchange, has annual revenues in excess of $1.7 billion. An average of 81,384 inmates are in its facilities on any one day. This is a greater number, the American Civil Liberties Union points out in a 2011 report, “Banking on Bondage: Private Prisons and Mass Incarceration,” than that held by the states of New York and New Jersey combined.

The for-profit prisons and their lobbyists in Washington and state capitals have successfully blocked immigration reform, have prevented a challenge to our draconian drug laws and are pushing through tougher detention policies. Locking up more and more human beings is the bedrock of the industry’s profits. These corporations are the engines behind the explosion of our prison system. They are the reason we have spent $300 billion on new prisons since 1980. They are also the reason serious reform is impossible." 



soulmercer7
soulmercer7

I agree with you that the point of the article was about her treatment at the hands of the criminal justice system.  Having worked in that system for years, I know that our legal system is not what the pollyanna's describe.  Also, you are right in that I do not know that she does not know any English at all.  But many many immigrants from Mexico are here for years and make no effort to learn English.  I truly believe that if you are willing to learn English, you should be permitted to stay and, if you are not willing, you should be deported.

soulmercer7
soulmercer7

The Pilgrims should have done, but it is too late for them (and for the Native Americans then and since, unfortunately).  It is difficult to move somewhere and both survive and learn.  However, it can be done if the individual has enough commitment to their new land and its people.  My elderly relatives did not speak perfect English.  But they tried, and that is the point.  I have an uncle who has lived most of his life overseas.  He came over once, with a friend, who spoke no English.  The friend watched US television, and learned.  He would not then (or now) pass as a college English professor (who would?).  However, with my uncle's help, and taking the proactive approach, he was able to communicate on at least a basic level.  Every immigrant watches television.  Why not watch English speaking television and learn?  Same with radio stations.  There are many varieties, listen to one in English.  Talk to people whom you know that are bi-lingual.  Show that you have something of a commitment to your new country.  And, unfortunately, their bilingual children drop out of school at the highest rate of any group, because they do not get any support at home.   This dooms them to a perpetual underclass which they do not deserve.

We all have our problems, and higher priorities.  But if you live in the US for eleven years, that is more than enough time to be able to communicate in English.  It is not easy, but nothing is easy.  It is not easy for we who are here or for the people who arrive.  And, for the record, I believe that anyone who wants to move to the US, and is neither a criminal nor desirous of blowing us up, should be allowed to do so.  But with rights come responsibility.  No one has an inherent right to move to another country.  Many countries do not permit immigration at all.  If a country is willing to afford someone the option of moving here, the least that person can do to earn this privilege is to learn the language.


Steve70
Steve70

Thank you mrh0202201091. I hope the same for you. Goodbye

Steve70
Steve70

normajae, i am laughing now! I am not a "white supremist", nor did i say "treat them like cattle" nor am i a "Nazi", sorry. The only people i hate are only an exwife, people who knowly commit crimes then cry like babies when caught instead of accepting responsibilty for what they've done, and the people who scream support for them. And illegals are crimminals.

Steve70
Steve70

motherjones. I've spent my time in the desert, protecting the your right to say what you want. I've been to hell, and paid for it dearly. Your misguided efforts to disparage the God loving citizens, and THEIR country, against the hoard of illegal aliens will earn you your time in Hell, you old cunt. You forgot to say that these illegals are all cowards who leave their country instead staying and fighting to improve their company. They instead, come to our country with a pack or drugs straped to their back, knowing that they are commiting a crime. Steal someones identity, they know is another crime, and then cry when their caught. And then hope cunts, like you, will scream and yell that the illegal, crime commiting cowards, are being treated unfairly. I love my country and the citizens that i have killed for and if you are a citizen, you will go to a special hell for turning your back on Him and your country. You should be put on a deportation bus, and sent back with the criminals you love so much. Preach your disrespect for this country and its citizens from your new home. Oh yes, fuck you, you old cunt! You are the shithead! 

soulmercer7
soulmercer7

That's good Mutha Jones.  I suggest you get a writer or, better yet, learn to write yourself.  It can be done!

Unfortunately, your attitude represents one of the reasons the right wing has gotten as far as it has in this country.  Three of the most beautiful words in the dictionary, liberal, progressive, and multicultural, have been demonized, quite successfully unfortunately, because of people who have accepted bastardized interpretations of them, as propagated by the right wing.

Liberal means tolerant.  This includes tolerance of other peoples' opinions.  Liberals were, until the term was hijacked by the politically-coerced censorship set, reasonable people who wanted to make things better for all, not just a few 'protected' peoples.  To a traditional liberal, social justice was for everyone, not just for the flavor of the day.  To a genuine liberal, who no longer exists in the mainstream of today's political debate, censorship is anathema.  People with whom you disagree may be engaged, and reasoned with.  A true liberal does not shoot inaccurate labels at anyone who not only does not agree with them, but might phrase things differently in agreement.  A true liberal cares for all people, and is not roped into flow charts of good peoples and bad peoples.  There was a wonderful line attributable to Zero Mostel when asked if he would work with Jerome Robbins, who cooperated with HUAC, "Lefties don't blacklist."  That is no longer the case.  Liberals also resist any imposition of religion into a secularized society.  This includes Fundamentalist Christianity, but it also includes ANY OTHER RELIGION. 

Multicultural is another beautiful word which makes many people cringe.  Not because the word is abhorrent, but because the concept has been hijacked.  The idea that all cultures enrich a country, and should be respected, is a great one.  I firmly believe it is this word, spoken or not, which represents what has made the US such a great country.  Every immigrant group that has come to the US, from the Dutch on down, has made the US a better place.  To honor other peoples' cultures is to honor yourself.

But what does it mean today, in our politically-coerced censorship era?  It means no one should make any effort to be a part of a country.  It means to learn the language of a country is to somehow demean yourself and your own culture.  That is not what multicultural means.  A country has a shared language.  Every immigrant group through history has learned English.  Most of these groups were proud to do so.  My own ancestors spoke other languages, and kept their cultures within their homes and their families, as well as their communities.  But, if someone from the government had spoken to them in their native tongues, they would have been insulted, as it would have insinuated they were incapable of speaking English.  Their languages of origin continued to be spoken, and taught to their children.  But, when dealing on a public basis, English was recognized as the language of the US, which it is.  If a person or group will not grasp this basic element of respect, then they do not belong here, and are not worthy of respect themselves.

Dr. Martin Luther King said he wanted to live in a world where people are judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.  Well, I submit that to move to a country and make no effort to learn the language of this country, demonstrates their character is extremely questionable.  A true progressive would help and encourage these people to learn, not insist that everyone else pander to their ignorance.   Multicultural does not necessarily mean that the US should become a Tower of Babel.

I fully expect your response to be hysterical, accusatory, and and full of labels.  As I say, to those who genuflect at the altar of politically-coerced censorship, reason is a pejorative.

soulmercer7
soulmercer7

Arizona has a well deserved egregious reputation on almost every measure of civilization, whether with regards to education, human rights, treatment of its inmates, treatment of employees, you name it.  I grieve at the way people are pushed around in this state, and have little or no recourse from a government which, until recently, included a Nazi sympathizer in the legislature.

All that said, we are a country with fewer resources to help people than in the past.  It is a huge waste of money to subsidize ignorance.  It is wrong headed, and goes against people being helped and helping themselves.  It is irresponsible and disrespectful to move to a country, any country, and from any country, and make absolutely no effort to communicate with the people in their language.  I believe in helping people, but I do not subscribe to enabling them.  If someone moves here they need to learn English.  If you have lived here for at least eleven years and made no effort to learn English than this is the wrong country for you.  You need to move to a country where your language of choice is spoken.  If I offer you a job, and you are unwilling to go to this job, you are not helping yourself.  If someone offers you a service, and you are unwilling to travel to an office to claim this service, you are not helping yourself (not unable, unwilling).  The time is past where all one needs to do is say help me, and wait for help to be delivered.  It is simply never going to happen again.  People need to take responsibility for their actions.

I do not wish for this lady to be in custody.  She is not a criminal.  However, she is not a legitimate US resident either.  Send her home.  Or, give her a reasonable amount of time to learn English.  If she will not, then send her home.  And that goes for anyone who moves here and will not show the common respect and decency to learn the language.  This does not mean abandoning your culture, or not showing pride in your origins, it means making an effort instead of waiting for everyone else to pander to your ignorance.  I share this view with the great fellow liberal Walter Cronkite.    

renkbooo
renkbooo

OOK wow, sounds like a sure fire plan to me dude.


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Steve70
Steve70

Yes, i am a sinner, and so are you. I have given my life to Christ many times. I have been given last rights three times thus far, all in the service of the military and its citizens. Evil has not takenover my mind, but the protection of my fellow citizens. The Lord sent a hoard of locusts to Egypt in order to devour the food of the citizens, an now, he sends a hoard of cowardly illegal scum to devour the rescources of this nation and its citizens. And, as i have done twice before, i fight to protect this nation now. I fought for the Dream Act, for it protects our young citizens. Regardless of how, they are citizens, but those among us, who are here illegally, have to go. And countrys like mexico, have dual-citzenship, so despite the propaganda, familys do not have to split up. It is the illegal cowardly scum that seperate the family and then cry like babies that this country is doing it. A lie! My own gardner is a wetback, and i have reported him and company he words with to our illustrious Sheriff Joe. That is my duty to my country!

Steve70
Steve70

Then send them to God, so he can take care of them, not us. He even loves cowards, which is what they all are. To desert their own country, instead of fighting to change their country, is the greatest form of cowardice there is.  And when they come here they fly the flag of their previous country, the one the cowards deserted, and say their proud to be mexicans. No, just cowardly leeches. Send them back or send them to God! 

ken.knday
ken.knday

I don't feel sorry for these people just like in Mexico when you are in their country illegally.

Lets talk about it from that point of view for a change!

ATrueVictim
ATrueVictim

I am a victim of identity theft here in AZ. I don't bear my grudges against ALL illegals, just the one who used my info. She claimed "exempt" on her W-4's, and then went on to make $28K in one year and $30K the next year. Because of this the IRS audited me for unpaid taxes, I lost my house, my bank accounts were emptied and here 3 years later I am still trying to get some shred of a resemblance to the life that I once had. I worked hard to put myself through college and get a good job to support myself and my children (especially after thier father passed 5 years ago) and continue to work hard but it is very hard for me to feel like illegals (who use stolen or forged identification) are the ones being wronged in these situations when I am living proof that that is not always the case. I work with and am friends with several people who came here illegally and have not done these things in order to get a job. They have proved that they are invaluable workers and have been granted work visas and/or green cards. If you are here to contribute to our society as yourself then by all means stay, if you are here to use someone else's i.d. and get them in trouble for your actions with the federal/state/local governments and then just move on to someone else's i.d. then you really should not be here.

pete.clark10
pete.clark10

Illegal Entry is a CRIME..Working without authorization is a crime..producing a false govt. document is a crime..The sooner they deport this criminal trash the better!

soulmercer7
soulmercer7

She did this eleven years ago and she STILL does not speak English?  Send her home, she does not belong here.  No one should be living in the US for eleven years without learning English.

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

Time to end absolute immunity for prosecutors and County Attorneys! They have shown they abuse their power, over and over again.

"There is one ABSOLUTE solution to this problem. Unfortunately it’s an Islamic idea but it is a very good one none the less. In Islamic countries if they bring charges against you and you win in court the person bringing the charges gets the sentence you were going to get, death penalty included. That’s why there are so few charges, so few prisoners and so few attorneys in Islamic countries. This immunity crap is an abomination to justice and liberty. It permits prosecutors to do as they like with impunity. Sure there is Brady v. Maryland but you have to first know about it and then get the courts to recognize it before it is of any benefit to anyone. Good luck with that one. Our nation wasn’t built on the idea of justice and liberty only for those who are smart or informed enough to get it. It was built on justice and liberty for ALL." by informed citizen

Kaytee Fournier
Kaytee Fournier

I hope Bill Montgomery gets hit by a bus... walking hand-in-hand with Jan Brewer and Joe Arpaio...

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

@DNichols ..Well said. The culture of those educated in the military, do not reflect the civilian side of fair and equal justice, or a presumption of innocence and due process, unlike Peace officers' training --- now being turned into paramilitary.

When the mentality is "shoot first, ask later", the presumption of innocence is lost. 

There is no common sense being used. There is no "smart on crime" that would not only save innocent lives and families from destruction, but also save taxpayers' hundreds of millions of wasted $$$'s by overzealous prosecutors, who have absolute immunity and no accountability. 

The awesome power of the prosecutor targets you and your life is done. Study the pattern and history of the MCAO. 

MCAO Montgomery doesn't believe people are innocent, wrongfully convicted, over-sentenced or overcharged or he would take action to undo the damage done by his disgraced, disbarred predecessors instead moving to the next witch-hunt of the moment.  His predessor, disbarred former Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas' over 200,000 felony CASES cry out for investigation of abuse of power, over-zealous prosecution of the innocent, but he's swept these under the rug. 

The Hispanics are the easy target but ALL are at risk for the same. This IS the public's problem.  With the military-style justice we are now living in our new reality -- no justice at all but a growing military / police state. The following is the reality. 

WHEN WARS COME HOME 

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/14539-when-wars-come-home

Tuesday, 19 February 2013 10:08By Charles Derber and Yale MagrassTruthout | 

Op-Ed Police officers at a checkpoint during the manhunt Christopher Dorner, an ex-

Los Angeles cop accused of three killings, on State Route 38 in Angelus Oaks, Calif., Feb. 12, 2013. (Photo: Patrick T. Fallon / The New York Times)

"In the flood of commentary about the Newtown massacre and broader US gun violence, liberals tend to blame failures of gun control while conservatives blame the mentally ill and Hollywood. But they are both missing one important and overlooked explanation: the domestic consequences of a militarized superpower engaged in chronic wars around the world."

rhall528
rhall528

@glennp21 being a part of the nazi/fascist party of NO (repugs) only shows just how far you have become a person of petty thoughts and deeds

rhall528
rhall528

@glennp21 religion has no part of our government WE THE PEOPLE IS FOR ALL THE PEOPLE not just the ones you want 

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

Rascon is another vulnerable, female victim, and mother, who is "easy" prey for the MCAO and their years of SOP (standard operating procedure). Arizona does NOT respect women or mothers. This tragic situation is another example of a county and state run by the "good ole white boys" = narcissists-obsessed with their power and "control"

MotherJones
MotherJones

@Steve70 Go back to the desert and rot. Protecting us? From what? The dishwashers? You dumb, lazy redneck.

MotherJones
MotherJones

@soulmercer7 Huh? I never endorsed political correctness or censorship, never would.

Nor do I have a problem with people learning English, or any other language for that matter. 

I think many immigrants are just busy working their asses off and making sure their kids get to school and do their homework. The kids are usually bilingual. Keep in mind many immigrants are not well-educated. And learning a language is tough even for the well educated.

Did all of the Pilgrims learn Wopanaak (the language of the native Wampanoag)? Um, no. 

ValleyNative
ValleyNative

@soulmercer7  Why do you assume that Rascon "made no effort to speak English" or that she doesn't know any English at all for that matter? Just because she preferred to do an in depth interview in her native tongue? That seems like a pretty big presumption. Also, the point of the article is that she should be given a "reasonable amount of time to learn English" or just a defense to deportation at all. Right now she is in criminal proceedings and the plea offer equals automatic deportation. With a different plea she'll still face deportation, but an immigration judge will decide if she qualifies to stay. Certain convictions equal automatic deportation with no defense. I think the point of the story is that criminal prosecutions should punish the criminal activity, not try to get the person automatically deported without letting an immigration judge decide.

MotherJones
MotherJones

@Steve70 Sorry, dumbass, they are not going to go. They're staying. There will be immigration reform this year. Here's hoping you die soon of natural causes and get that last right one last time, so you can make room for another undocumented kid. 

Oh, and I got a message from your God for you: FUCK YOU, SHITHEAD!

MotherJones
MotherJones

@Steve70 They are more courageous than you'll ever be, asshole. When's the last time you've crossed the desert for a better life and to feed your kids. Here's hoping God has a special place in hell reserved for xenophobic trash like you.

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

@soulmercer7 You do not help Arizona's reputation, the chamber of commerce or the tourist industry that pay Arizona's bills?

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

@Kaytee Fournier It's good to hear from a well-informed, concerned citizen.

Steve70
Steve70

No, but thank you for asking. So, they let you out of your room when you take your medication? That's good, goodbye.

Steve70
Steve70

Sorry, but you have become boring. You are a great example for a saying my father had, "Never try to teach a cunt how to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the cunt". And you sure are an annoyance.

MotherJones
MotherJones

@Steve70 Something else, play the vet card elsewhere, fucktard. .George Lincoln Rockwell was a vet. So was Timothy McVeigh. Bet you guys wldve gotten along just fine.

swanson01john
swanson01john

@MotherJones Mother,ur getting pretty personnel now,i doubt if the SHERIFF would give a shit if a bunch of vets said hello to you now DOUCHBAG.Be good LYYYmonds.

MotherJones
MotherJones

@Steve70 Only when your mom's finished, if u know what I mean. It helps that she has no teeth. Just like you.

swanson01john
swanson01john

@Steve70--Mother jones works for or is the so called writer Lymons or better Lemmons for new times so you know who ur talking to.He is pretty pathetic is he not.You can find him down at this rags office (huh mother)

MotherJones
MotherJones

@Steve70 Last time u saw a cunt in person was coming out of your mom's vagaygay. Otherwise, it's Five Fingers Freddy for you.

 
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