Bill Montgomery Is No Immigration Moderate

She did the crime and she should do the time.  Undoubtedly US taxpayer dollars are paying for the treatment of her child's cancer so you would think she would be a bit more respectful of our laws.

"America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."

Alex De Tocqueville, a very wise 1840's French Historian.

This sum's up America's Immigration, and Economic Crisises, which both began January 2008 with the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs which are responsible for Tens of Thousands of now Dead Hispanic's at the Harsh U.S. Mexico Border where I.C.E. Dumped Hundreds of Thousands of Human Beings into a known "Drug War" with nothing, not even water to be Killed, or to Die of the Harsh Elements.

To: Good, and Brotherhood, from Sea to shining Sea.

After reading seaveral of the comments on the page I feel that I might be in the wrong forum. I am and will allways be a republican and I live in Arizona where the border crossings are bad. What happened to the idiology of taking care of your own first and others later. We are a democracy that gives billions of dollars to other countries and is talking about raising taxes. And know we want to take in at least 11 millon people. I understand all the pollitics to this endenor but I am against it. TAKE CARE OF THE POOR AND OTHERS IN THE US FIRST

To: Mother Jones

It sounds like you are a religious person which I appreciate, but we have a constitutional law that separates government from state. WE THE PEOPLE are having a hard enough time fending for our selfs and we have had the burden of the illegal population on our backs for some many years.

I agree with you that the point of the article was about her treatment at the hands of the criminal justice system.  Having worked in that system for years, I know that our legal system is not what the pollyanna's describe.  Also, you are right in that I do not know that she does not know any English at all.  But many many immigrants from Mexico are here for years and make no effort to learn English.  I truly believe that if you are willing to learn English, you should be permitted to stay and, if you are not willing, you should be deported.

The Pilgrims should have done, but it is too late for them (and for the Native Americans then and since, unfortunately).  It is difficult to move somewhere and both survive and learn.  However, it can be done if the individual has enough commitment to their new land and its people.  My elderly relatives did not speak perfect English.  But they tried, and that is the point.  I have an uncle who has lived most of his life overseas.  He came over once, with a friend, who spoke no English.  The friend watched US television, and learned.  He would not then (or now) pass as a college English professor (who would?).  However, with my uncle's help, and taking the proactive approach, he was able to communicate on at least a basic level.  Every immigrant watches television.  Why not watch English speaking television and learn?  Same with radio stations.  There are many varieties, listen to one in English.  Talk to people whom you know that are bi-lingual.  Show that you have something of a commitment to your new country.  And, unfortunately, their bilingual children drop out of school at the highest rate of any group, because they do not get any support at home.   This dooms them to a perpetual underclass which they do not deserve.

We all have our problems, and higher priorities.  But if you live in the US for eleven years, that is more than enough time to be able to communicate in English.  It is not easy, but nothing is easy.  It is not easy for we who are here or for the people who arrive.  And, for the record, I believe that anyone who wants to move to the US, and is neither a criminal nor desirous of blowing us up, should be allowed to do so.  But with rights come responsibility.  No one has an inherent right to move to another country.  Many countries do not permit immigration at all.  If a country is willing to afford someone the option of moving here, the least that person can do to earn this privilege is to learn the language.

Thank you mrh0202201091. I hope the same for you. Goodbye

normajae, i am laughing now! I am not a "white supremist", nor did i say "treat them like cattle" nor am i a "Nazi", sorry. The only people i hate are only an exwife, people who knowly commit crimes then cry like babies when caught instead of accepting responsibilty for what they've done, and the people who scream support for them. And illegals are crimminals.

motherjones. I've spent my time in the desert, protecting the your right to say what you want. I've been to hell, and paid for it dearly. Your misguided efforts to disparage the God loving citizens, and THEIR country, against the hoard of illegal aliens will earn you your time in Hell, you old cunt. You forgot to say that these illegals are all cowards who leave their country instead staying and fighting to improve their company. They instead, come to our country with a pack or drugs straped to their back, knowing that they are commiting a crime. Steal someones identity, they know is another crime, and then cry when their caught. And then hope cunts, like you, will scream and yell that the illegal, crime commiting cowards, are being treated unfairly. I love my country and the citizens that i have killed for and if you are a citizen, you will go to a special hell for turning your back on Him and your country. You should be put on a deportation bus, and sent back with the criminals you love so much. Preach your disrespect for this country and its citizens from your new home. Oh yes, fuck you, you old cunt! You are the shithead! 

That's good Mutha Jones.  I suggest you get a writer or, better yet, learn to write yourself.  It can be done!

Unfortunately, your attitude represents one of the reasons the right wing has gotten as far as it has in this country.  Three of the most beautiful words in the dictionary, liberal, progressive, and multicultural, have been demonized, quite successfully unfortunately, because of people who have accepted bastardized interpretations of them, as propagated by the right wing.

Liberal means tolerant.  This includes tolerance of other peoples' opinions.  Liberals were, until the term was hijacked by the politically-coerced censorship set, reasonable people who wanted to make things better for all, not just a few 'protected' peoples.  To a traditional liberal, social justice was for everyone, not just for the flavor of the day.  To a genuine liberal, who no longer exists in the mainstream of today's political debate, censorship is anathema.  People with whom you disagree may be engaged, and reasoned with.  A true liberal does not shoot inaccurate labels at anyone who not only does not agree with them, but might phrase things differently in agreement.  A true liberal cares for all people, and is not roped into flow charts of good peoples and bad peoples.  There was a wonderful line attributable to Zero Mostel when asked if he would work with Jerome Robbins, who cooperated with HUAC, "Lefties don't blacklist."  That is no longer the case.  Liberals also resist any imposition of religion into a secularized society.  This includes Fundamentalist Christianity, but it also includes ANY OTHER RELIGION. 

Multicultural is another beautiful word which makes many people cringe.  Not because the word is abhorrent, but because the concept has been hijacked.  The idea that all cultures enrich a country, and should be respected, is a great one.  I firmly believe it is this word, spoken or not, which represents what has made the US such a great country.  Every immigrant group that has come to the US, from the Dutch on down, has made the US a better place.  To honor other peoples' cultures is to honor yourself.

But what does it mean today, in our politically-coerced censorship era?  It means no one should make any effort to be a part of a country.  It means to learn the language of a country is to somehow demean yourself and your own culture.  That is not what multicultural means.  A country has a shared language.  Every immigrant group through history has learned English.  Most of these groups were proud to do so.  My own ancestors spoke other languages, and kept their cultures within their homes and their families, as well as their communities.  But, if someone from the government had spoken to them in their native tongues, they would have been insulted, as it would have insinuated they were incapable of speaking English.  Their languages of origin continued to be spoken, and taught to their children.  But, when dealing on a public basis, English was recognized as the language of the US, which it is.  If a person or group will not grasp this basic element of respect, then they do not belong here, and are not worthy of respect themselves.

Dr. Martin Luther King said he wanted to live in a world where people are judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.  Well, I submit that to move to a country and make no effort to learn the language of this country, demonstrates their character is extremely questionable.  A true progressive would help and encourage these people to learn, not insist that everyone else pander to their ignorance.   Multicultural does not necessarily mean that the US should become a Tower of Babel.

I fully expect your response to be hysterical, accusatory, and and full of labels.  As I say, to those who genuflect at the altar of politically-coerced censorship, reason is a pejorative.

Arizona has a well deserved egregious reputation on almost every measure of civilization, whether with regards to education, human rights, treatment of its inmates, treatment of employees, you name it.  I grieve at the way people are pushed around in this state, and have little or no recourse from a government which, until recently, included a Nazi sympathizer in the legislature.

All that said, we are a country with fewer resources to help people than in the past.  It is a huge waste of money to subsidize ignorance.  It is wrong headed, and goes against people being helped and helping themselves.  It is irresponsible and disrespectful to move to a country, any country, and from any country, and make absolutely no effort to communicate with the people in their language.  I believe in helping people, but I do not subscribe to enabling them.  If someone moves here they need to learn English.  If you have lived here for at least eleven years and made no effort to learn English than this is the wrong country for you.  You need to move to a country where your language of choice is spoken.  If I offer you a job, and you are unwilling to go to this job, you are not helping yourself.  If someone offers you a service, and you are unwilling to travel to an office to claim this service, you are not helping yourself (not unable, unwilling).  The time is past where all one needs to do is say help me, and wait for help to be delivered.  It is simply never going to happen again.  People need to take responsibility for their actions.

I do not wish for this lady to be in custody.  She is not a criminal.  However, she is not a legitimate US resident either.  Send her home.  Or, give her a reasonable amount of time to learn English.  If she will not, then send her home.  And that goes for anyone who moves here and will not show the common respect and decency to learn the language.  This does not mean abandoning your culture, or not showing pride in your origins, it means making an effort instead of waiting for everyone else to pander to your ignorance.  I share this view with the great fellow liberal Walter Cronkite.    

OOK wow, sounds like a sure fire plan to me dude.

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Yes, i am a sinner, and so are you. I have given my life to Christ many times. I have been given last rights three times thus far, all in the service of the military and its citizens. Evil has not takenover my mind, but the protection of my fellow citizens. The Lord sent a hoard of locusts to Egypt in order to devour the food of the citizens, an now, he sends a hoard of cowardly illegal scum to devour the rescources of this nation and its citizens. And, as i have done twice before, i fight to protect this nation now. I fought for the Dream Act, for it protects our young citizens. Regardless of how, they are citizens, but those among us, who are here illegally, have to go. And countrys like mexico, have dual-citzenship, so despite the propaganda, familys do not have to split up. It is the illegal cowardly scum that seperate the family and then cry like babies that this country is doing it. A lie! My own gardner is a wetback, and i have reported him and company he words with to our illustrious Sheriff Joe. That is my duty to my country!

Then send them to God, so he can take care of them, not us. He even loves cowards, which is what they all are. To desert their own country, instead of fighting to change their country, is the greatest form of cowardice there is.  And when they come here they fly the flag of their previous country, the one the cowards deserted, and say their proud to be mexicans. No, just cowardly leeches. Send them back or send them to God! 

I don't feel sorry for these people just like in Mexico when you are in their country illegally.

Lets talk about it from that point of view for a change!

I am a victim of identity theft here in AZ. I don't bear my grudges against ALL illegals, just the one who used my info. She claimed "exempt" on her W-4's, and then went on to make $28K in one year and $30K the next year. Because of this the IRS audited me for unpaid taxes, I lost my house, my bank accounts were emptied and here 3 years later I am still trying to get some shred of a resemblance to the life that I once had. I worked hard to put myself through college and get a good job to support myself and my children (especially after thier father passed 5 years ago) and continue to work hard but it is very hard for me to feel like illegals (who use stolen or forged identification) are the ones being wronged in these situations when I am living proof that that is not always the case. I work with and am friends with several people who came here illegally and have not done these things in order to get a job. They have proved that they are invaluable workers and have been granted work visas and/or green cards. If you are here to contribute to our society as yourself then by all means stay, if you are here to use someone else's i.d. and get them in trouble for your actions with the federal/state/local governments and then just move on to someone else's i.d. then you really should not be here.

Illegal Entry is a CRIME..Working without authorization is a crime..producing a false govt. document is a crime..The sooner they deport this criminal trash the better!

She did this eleven years ago and she STILL does not speak English?  Send her home, she does not belong here.  No one should be living in the US for eleven years without learning English.

I hope Bill Montgomery gets hit by a bus... walking hand-in-hand with Jan Brewer and Joe Arpaio...

Beyond better handle on public relations? Not much difference...Partisan and willing to spend tax dollars for own desires is an exact match.