The idea that "we must do something" in the wake of a particularly violent shooting has a different meaning in Arizona. As other states enact bans on semi-automatic rifles or large-capacity magazines, the Arizona Legislature has responded by proposing more rights for gun lovers.
Following the 2011 Tucson massacre, for example, lawmakers introduced several pro-gun bills. One that would have allowed people to carry guns on school campuses (most of which restrict the practice) passed the state House and Senate. It famously was vetoed by Republican Governor Jan Brewer, typically a friend of gun-rights advocates. Brewer did, however, sign into law several other pro-gun bills, including one (in the wake of Loughner) that set up an appeal process to help people with a history of mental illness restore their right to own firearms.
Bills that attempt to tighten rules about where Arizonans can carry guns or use them rarely go anywhere.
The reason is a well-funded lobbying force and, undeniably, the will of the majority of Arizonans. The state has had strong pro-gun sentiments since before statehood, and a large number of the people who moved here during the years of explosive growth have shared these sentiments. The phenomenon has meant that even though nearly half of the residents of the Phoenix area haven't lived here for longer than about 20 or 25 years, the gun culture is stronger than ever.
Of course, not everyone in the state embraces the love affair with guns. Even in the state's earliest days, some Arizonans were repulsed by the idea that they or anyone else should possess such rights — because of the steep price paid in blood.
But whether you like it or not, if you're in Arizona, you've entered the land of the gun. We even have an official state gun: the Colt Single Action Army revolver.
You're an adult with no felony record? Your state government trusts you to carry concealed weapons. Fit as many as you can hide under your coat.
Pack heat in a bar? As long as you're not drinking and you're one of Arizona's 182,000 concealed-carry permit holders, your state government approves.
Drive around with a fully loaded arsenal? Sure, registration isn't required in AZ.
Walk into a gun store with a credit card, walk out with an AK-47 and 10,000 bullets. (If you can find them, that is — recent talk of gun control has spurred a run on bullets and firearms that has emptied store shelves in Arizona and some other states.)
Even silencers and fully automatic machine guns are okay here, with a federal permit: As of last year, Arizona became one of two states to let hunters use silencers.
This is a right-to-shoot state — and a right-to-get-shot state.
Arizona has one of the strongest "castle doctrine" laws in the nation, but the right to defend yourself applies everywhere, not just in the castle. Not only can Arizonans shoot to kill to protect themselves or other innocents, they legally can unleash bullets to stop people from committing crimes like child molestation or arson of an occupied building.
As demonstrated by the interruption at the U.S. Senate gun-control hearing — and, indeed, the very presence there of Kelly and Giffords — Arizona is foremost in the national consciousness when it comes to guns. The rest of the country sees Arizona as the living Wild West, and it's not much of an exaggeration. Take your shooting supplies out to Arizona's undeveloped tracts of land and fire away. No one legally can hassle you (unless you disrespect the ecosystem by leaving targets and shells strewn about or shoot something you're not supposed to, like a protected saguaro cactus or a mountain biker).
"I think there's a romance with the gun out here," says Thomas Mangan, spokesman for the Arizona division of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. "It is the West, and the West was won by the gun."
Clear weather, wide-open spaces, the high number of servicemen and women here because of the state's several military bases, and the influx of retired veterans and gun enthusiasts from around the country are some of the factors that have helped keep the gun culture thriving in Arizona, Mangan says.
Though the state's reputation as firearms-friendly is deserved, statistics show that Arizona may not have a particularly high level of gun ownership.
A December report compiled by the Daily Beast news website attempts to gauge each state's gun ownership by tallying the number of federal background checks per capita performed during the previous year.
By that measure, Arizona ranked 39th in 2011 — up from 41st a year earlier.
If there really are fewer guns per person in Arizona, they seem to be used more than those in other states.
Gun deaths in Arizona are higher per capita than in most other states.
The state's murder rate also is on the high side, comparatively: 6.4 murders per 100,000 people in 2010, above the national average of 4.8 that year.
Though this may be cause for alarm, there's one other important stat to consider. Overall, violent crime in the state is near a 20-year low. The mysterious national decline in crime over the past two decades — occurring as Americans bought more guns than ever — has been even more acute in Phoenix and Tucson.
WELL THERE YOU GO FOLKS IT WONT BE LONG BEFORE THEYRE GOIN DOOR TO DOOR CONFINSCATING WEAPONS. YOU SAW IT COMING. YOU KNEW IT WAS HERE AND HERE IT IS. NEXT THING YOU KNOW THEYRE GONNA COME STAMP YOU FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST WHICH IS THAT NATIONAL ID CHIP. TELL YOU ONE THING THEY AINT TAKIN MY CROSS BOWS OR MACHETES. CANT LEAVE A FELLOW COMPLETELY DEFENSELESS. WHAT YOU GONNA DO, THROW POPCORN AT THE INTRUDER??? GET SOME SENSE AMERICA!!!
I heard the rumor that soon anybody in possession of an assault weapon is gonna HAVE to register it with the Feds, no compliance results in the surrender of such weapon and $5, 000 fine, go consult with an Shrink and take medication for paranoia as long as directed by the Shrink. Possesion of a LARGE QUANTITY MAGAZINE doubles the fine to be paid.
Still pushing the bushmaster AR 15 was used even though it was found until after it was over in the trunk of the car propaganda. Quit telling lies to make people afraid of the scary black gun. The lame stream media has no credibility when it continues to distort facts to push an agenda. The administration continues to avoid the root cause of the violent behaviour being big pharma and the SSRI effects on children. Like all schemes the progressives push they do nothing to fix the problem, create more problems, thought up by deranged people, and waste a boatload of money and defy common sense.
@eeecuzin Who's distorting facts? The fact is that Connecticut police say all 26 victims killed at the elementary school were shot with the Bushmaster AR-15:
There were 4 hand guns found inside the building. The AR was taken from the trunk of the car AFTER it was over. If you cant figure that out then what he supposedly shot everybody with it then ran outside put it in the trunk went back inside and shot himself. the link you posted was done the next day. It is never let a crisis go to waste rewriting of the original facts. I dont think any truth is in the offical story sort of like the jerkoff father who was laughing and joking and then steps up to the mike gets in character and acts like he practiced. Its a blame game to take scary looking guns away from people. The biggest reason not to believe it is it comes from the police. Nothing about this is right and stinks of incompatent and bumbling idiots.
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The New Times, like it's parent company, the Village Voice, is nothing more than a bottom of the birdcage rag and a leftist propaganda machine
The New Times is just a bottom of the birdcage rag, like it's owner , the Village Voice.
Obviously written with a Leftist slant. One of the reasons that I moved from the People's Republik of Kalifornia to The Free State of Arizona is to be able to practice my Civil Right, that of keeping and BEARING arms in defense of myself, my fellow citizens and finally, my country.
For every inane thing that a Leftist gun-grabber says, I buy another gun or another case of ammunition, just to piss them off. I'm already buying another evil-looking "assault weapon" just to piss off BHO, Holder, Pelosi, et al.
We Americans love our guns, and it's a damned good thing that we do because they won us our freedom in 1776 and have kept us free ever since. From my cold, dead hands, Mr. Stern.
nagmashdriver, good thing is that You might be one of those depends wearer, therefore very soon those weapons are gonna be taken out of "YOUR COLD, DEAD HANDS" when Your natural death comes; in a couple of years?. N-WAY, to me you sound like another one that brags about BEARING arms "In defense of myself, my fellow citizens and finally, my country", and when confronted , just chickens out, pee and shit all over the place and begs for mercy. Good luck and try not to shoot your toes or some other part by accident.
@Comrade Spoken like a true Leftist. Thank G-d my gun-handling skills are ten times better than your grammar, otherwise I might very well shoot myself in the toe!
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"Nearly two decades later, the country still hasn't had another mass shooting — despite Australians' quietly importing about a million guns that aren't banned under the law, such as bolt-action and single-round-loading guns."
This is misleading because there has been at least one "attempted" mass shooting in Australia since then, the Monash University shooting in 2002. The only reason it wasn't classified as an actual mass shooting is that miraculously only two people died. At least 7 people were hit by bullets and many more were shot at but missed by the crazed gunman. But it takes three deaths for something to be classified as a "mass" shooting according to the powers that be. The gunman used legally acquired pistols.
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Had a great experience with the real "Gun Culture" of AZ today. Attended the oldest ongoing rifle match in US history. The 121st annual Washington's Birthday Match out at Ben Avery. Yes, it predates Arizona statehood. People from all over the state attended, families, youth shooting clubs, ROTC groups, law enforcement officers, seniors, you name it, all walks of life.. all genuine, good hearted, safety oriented people. More AR 15's than I have ever seen in one place at a time. I watched a paralyzed Army Ranger who gave his ability to walk to an IED in defense of this country get presented with an M1 Garand rifle all paid for through donations from good hearted law abiding Arizona gun owners. As a vet myself, I cried during the National Anthem knowing that this side of our "Gun Culture" will never make it in the headlines of today's sensationalist media. Very sad...
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There is another matter to be addressed. Gabrielle Giffords is a vegetable. She cannot advocate anything of her own free will. We need to call this what it is: Political exploitation of a disabled person.
@kevinwalsh1619 Did you read the article? Giffords spoke. She's not a vegetable. She's mildly physically handicapped. Do you think that people in wheelchairs are vegetables?
@quidmore @kevinwalsh1619 She's severely mentally handicapped because she got shot in the head. Her speech is only slightly above the level of a parrot's.
@kevinwalsh1619 I believe you are correct. The views expressed on her behalf are those of her husband. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is not the point, but we need to remember who is really doing the speaking.
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suggest that a review of gun deaths be done. by who, were, & circumstances vs high capacity/assault rifle numbers. let's look at the basics of what prompted all. you will finds that most are by criminals in a criminal act & WILL not be effected by type of gun or amount of ammo. mass murders, while being horrific, will not compare remotely to crime related deaths by gun. crime is an act of desperation or economics or mindset, gun control will not curb those and far out shadow the numbers by legal ownership of any weapon. let's fix the real problem., society. take the cars off the street they kill far more of our citizens, or how about smoking, even worse, or alcohol, those numbers are staggering.
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I find it hypocritical of the New Times, which obviously has a trendy anti-gun attitude, to publish this article about the AZ gun culture while never to my knowledge mentioning AZ's DUI culture. A fast check of MADD and the FBI stats shows that, ironically enough, Arizona had about the same exact number of DUI deaths as gun murders in 2011! (221 gun, 215 DUI). Moreover, nationally, there are about 1300 MORE DUI deaths than gun murders.
I'm not calling for the 18th amendment all over again just as we shouldn't restrict the 2nd. In a nation of 300 million, there is going to be a certain number of psychopaths and a large number of drunks. Life is full of risks.
Finally, I don't think you'll see the DUI culture ever written about in the New Times. I'm not sure but this might be in part due to the fact that about 1/5 of the New Times is ads for alcohol, bars, and cannabis clubs? I'm not being critical of Voice Media Group, we all got to make a living, just be honest with us.
@rick_gilbert uhhh... .. you just confirmed in your paragraph that arizona's VERY STRICT DUI laws work because the deaths are about equal to gun deaths, while across the nation the death rate is higher for DUI than guns.... ... so you just proved regulation works.
Harmon was a good man. He killed two antisocial elements whom the law couldn't touch--a Jewish call center CEO who made his living harassing anyone with a telephone and the sleazy lawyer who helped him Jew his contractor out of payment for taking care of his office furniture. In the Harmon case the Second Amendment did exactly what it should have done.
--Kevin Walsh
@kevinwalsh1619 your rant is an example of a mental disorder called idiot. murder by your definition or logic would also be a solution for yourself. i support the 2nd amendment carry a gun to defend myself, my family & my liberty & others, but you I'd have to watch go down.
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Nice here we have another New Times "Journalist" that has sold out the people of Arizona just like Lemons. When a "local" news outlet publishes stories trying to demonize something that most of the people of Arizona know to be our most important right you know that something is up. Well I had thought that only Lemons was the sellout but I guess the entire publication has sold out representing big government interests over the peoples of Arizona's constitutional rights
i may have put my foot in my mouth reading article now made the assumption it was antigun by the title I will see if i stand by my first statement shortly.
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I stand by my original comment this reporter is totally disconnected with the Arizona people the reason pro gun rights laws pass here has nothing to do with powerful lobbyists its the will of the people, I remember a day when the New Times was a reliable alternative news source now they are just a sad pathetic shell of something that once had the potential t be great.
@badcaseaa From my article: "The reason is a well-funded lobbying force and, undeniably, the will of the majority of Arizonans."
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Why are we fixated on so called assault weapons? The Latest FBI crime statics report that murders by rifles which include assault rifles accounted for 323 murders. Murders by blunt objects accounted for 496. It would seem logical that we should seek to control the most deadly devices first. Therefore it would seem that background checks and licensing should be applied to hammers and golf clubs since they are used in more murders than are Assault Rifles.
Just a muse on something that I don't understand. The AR-15/M-4 clones all have the same features. A collapsible stock, pistol grip and a detachable magazine. Yet when LEOs carry them they are called Patrol Rifles and they are good. When the Department Homeland Security issues them (they just ordered 7,000) to their employees (law enforcement and non law enforcement) they are called Self Defense Rifles they are good. The rifles are good because they take away the advantage the criminals have over the police.
When several million law abiding citizens purchase them for hunting and self defense they are Evil. Yet I face the same potential threat of being out gunned by the criminals.
Bush I was applauded for his executive orders which banned the implantation of full auto weapons. What was not reported was a National Security Agency report that the availability of full auto weapons to criminals actually increased after the ban went into effect. The drug smugglers started selling their full auto weapons when they completed their drops in the US.
I think the proposed ban on self defense rifles will have the same effect. Such a measure will add to the revenue stream of the Cartels. The guards on the drug shipments will sell their weapons once they have delivered their drugs and return to Mexico were they will get new weapons from the Mexican Military and Police stocks (see Commander of Southern Command Testimony on Fast and Furious).
As with most governmental programs, the law of unintended consequences will not be considered when implementing another knee jerk unenforced and unenforceable law.
bgray, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha........"once they delivered their drugs and return to Mexico were they will get new weapons from the Mexican Military and Police stocks"..........ha, ha, ha, ha, and tell me, how do You know that for a fact. Unbeliveable! and of course, there come the cheerleaders on Your side. IN THE KINGDOM OF THE BLIND THE ONE EYED IS KING.
@Comrade An assessment of the automatic weapons importation ban by Gerorge Bush I by the NSA and the NSC reported that the importation of automatic weapons actually increased.
The Commander of Southern Command stated that the majority of weapons used by the Cartels came from Military and Police stocks in Central America. Check his testimony in the Fast and Furious hearings before Congress.
You might also want to check the DOJ report which is being widely reported in the press. I specifically call your attention to the section which discusses the effect of the Australian program which has eliminated about 90% of all guns legally held by citizens. Mass killings have stopped. Overall crime and MURDERS have increased.
To quote Joe Friday. "Just the Facts Ma'am, just the facts". The question is can you read, process and deal with the facts?
@endre.helgerud @bgray59 It was buried in the back pages of the NYT. I know it was included in the testimony on the Clinton Assault weapons Ban hearings held in El Dorado AR. It has been four moves since I clipped that story and I no longer have the file.
@bgray59 goood post, next they'll limit you to carry only one rock, two would be too aggressive.
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@bgray59 Very well put you may be the most intelligent and informed person on here be prepared to be attacked by the mindless New Times minions.
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@badcaseaa @bgray59 When I comment I all ways get a lot of personal attacks. Very seldom does one of the re pliers actually present a reasoned argument. Seldom do they even stay on point.
Sometimes I wonder if they even read my post.
Thank you for your comments.
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@Bridawg - The real reason we are guaranteed the right to bear arms is to protect ourselves if our government is taken over by tyrants.
Let's keep it real. There is a not so small segment of society (yeah, mostly white men) who have an unnatural fetish attraction to firearms. I don't know if its due to being denied their mother's tit or being sodomized as a young boy and really don't give a flying "F". Any idiot so under the aura of Gun worship that they need to be packing 24/7 to feel safe and whole is paranoid in my book and an accident waiting to happen. These guys jerk off to the thoughts of a scenario where they can stand their ground.
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@Bridawg WOW! Here I thought that racism was dying out yet this one proves who the real racist is. guess this one doesn't realize that most of the killing isn't being done by whites but by minorities, taking from & killing there own people. Bridawg helps prove he doesn't want to be an equal in the world, just an a hole.
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@Bridawg roflmao play the race card right off the bat the obvious sign of a person with no real argument lets toss in some other hot button issues that are totally unrelated and try to get blind support from people affected by those 2 aye truly pathetic you have no clue what keeping it real is you talk about race like it affects you even if you are a person of some other ethnicity you are obviously a suburban schmuck that has no clue what it is like to live in a high crime area.
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@Bridawg - you are a moron, as well as the problem when it comes to having a rational, intelligent conversation about this issue. So shut it and go get an education.
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@Bridawg you insult our ancestors by saying that. Gun ownership has a long, proud history in this country and to consider the desire to possess these tools as a fetish or reaction to child molestation is completely ridiculous and pretty fucked up. Are you failing to realize that this continent was conquered with guns, that food was provided by guns, that guns were used to fend off foreign and domestic attackers for hundreds of years...? Even if guns aren't used to gain food or to fight, they provide stress relief and bonding opportunities for families. Your belief that the only people who are set on keeping their guns are lunatics is unfair to the millions of 'normal' Americans who have owned firearms for decades and never used them with ill intentions. Please consider the possibility that legal American gun owners are a diverse group of people with an equally as diverse array of opinions and motivations before you spout off and characterize a large group of people as nut jobs
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@Bridawg Lets keep it realer. Besides the police gangs, most street gangs are made up of non-whites. We can also take a look at music culture and see who has the fetish for guns, predominately mexicans and blacks. Just admit it, you hate white people- its obvious.
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I fully support the Second Amendment and gun ownership.
All I ask is that guns don't end up in the wrong hands. The Gun Control Act makes this clear.
I would think that the NRA would support responsible gun legislation. The president's proposals do just that.
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