Willems urged the pensioners not to lay hands on anyone or to use obscenities. But as Bernie's actions, and the actions of a few others there that day showed, the oldsters get stirred up easily. And some are armed, this being Arizona.

Willems claims he just wants to slow down the recall, rob it of momentum. If the sigs are slow coming in, he reckons, it will be difficult for Parraz and others to raise funds from donors who'll want to see certain "benchmarks" met before they sink more cash into the campaign.

The circulators, some from out of state, Willems said, will be spooked easily by anyone "blocking" the source of their income. They may move on to another spot or they may quit and go home.

"Signature-gatherers are inherently lazy people," Willems told his audience. "They're going to make enough money per day to go buy their booze or dope or whatever they're gonna do for the rest of the day and start all over tomorrow."

Indeed, Willems claimed to have spies in the Parraz camp and even some circulators informing him of the sig count, day by day.

He told the fossils that he has some hope that legislation sponsored by Republican House member Steve Smith could be of assistance.

Though probably unconstitutional, Smith's House Bill 2282 would create a recall primary that removes the threat of a recall's open election, wherein anyone — D, R, or I —can vote.

The bill is stuck in committee. Even if it passes both houses and is signed by the governor, Willems seemed unsure whether it would affect a possible Arpaio recall election.

Willems is a man who oozes self-interest. He was spanked in the Pearce recall, and Arpaio is the guy who fills his coffers. Moreover, Willems tells others privately what he told the shadows at GOP headquarters.

Finally, I also know through one well-placed source that Arpaio has expressed worry and aggravation about the possibility of a recall election.

So, doubting journalists, the threat of a recall is real. Arpaio and Willems are afraid. And if the recall committee obtains the necessary signatures, Joe's end may be at hand.

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MultiWriter
MultiWriter

What is with all the "geezer" bashing? I've never read so many derogatory comments about old people in my life. What makes you people think that that is any different than calling an African American the "N" word, or any other slur, aimed at a group of people?
It seems that, whenever the subject is about anyone even QUESTIONING "Our Great Feur...I mean LEADER, Obama", the vicious dogs start attacking without sense or remorse. "Bite and rip out the enemy's flesh until it is dead," seems to be the sentiment.It reminds me of the vicious little children in Orwell's "Nine-Teen-Eighty-Four".  Head shaking. Whether you agree or don't agree with what someone says, does that give you the right to attempt to degrade, dehumanize and demonize that demographic of people? Doesn't that make you worse than the supposed evil you're trying to fight?

See the children at 20:20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDbWtbCHt7g

tripgabby
tripgabby

Well they guy feel down and broke his shoulder....this is another indication that he is having health problems.  On TV he had a hard time even talking.  Falling down is often an indication of a mild heart attack which is why he was put in the hospital for two days.  Falling down for a young person is simply a in and out of the hospital the same night and told to go to your doctor asap for follow.  Not two night in the hospital with oxygen tanks on....mild heart attack.  He is probably not out today.    

sarum
sarum

Why do I have the feeling that the massive release of illegals from detention facilities in advance of actual sequestration cuts is going to be a huge win for Sheriff Joe?

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

TELLIN YA YALL AINT GONNA BE HAPPY TIL THIS STATE IS A SOCIALIST STATE LIKE CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK CITY.  RULES ARE LAWS AND LAWS ARE LAWS THAT NEED TO BE FOLLOWED.  LEAVE JOE ALONE HES DONE NOTHIN BUT GOOD FOR THE STATE YEAH HE MAY BE ON THE MEDIA HERE AND THERE SHOWBOATIN BUT LEAST HE INFORMS THE LAWS AND THROWS THOSE ILLEGAL LAW BREAKERS WHERE THEY BELONG.

deanvp
deanvp

Any reporter who supposedly writes an opinion piece under the guise of reporting news is not a professional reporter. And who uses the term"tesbagger" in the place of Teaparty member has no reason to even be read.

deanvp
deanvp

Any reporter who supposedly writes an opinion piece under the guise of reporting news is not a professional reporter. And who uses the term"tesbagger" in the place of Teaparty member has no reason to even be read.

deanvp
deanvp

Any reporter who supposedly writes an opinion piece under the guise of reporting news is not a professional reporter. And who uses the term"tesbagger" in the place of Teaparty member has no reason to even be read.

yacambu22
yacambu22

Lazy white people. I want to see all of you working at the fields at 100 degrees picking lettuce, tomatoes or potatoes from sun to sun...instead of working at Wal-Mart or from an office and writing nasty things about the poor hispanics...!!  shame on you

pundit
pundit

Those signature gatherers are inherently lazy?  Yeah, sure. I know  quite a few of them personally. They have worked on campaigns that I ran.  What they are is motivated, many of them African American with a very healthy sense of self respect and no drug problem.  The nasty ones aren't being allowed to work on this campaign.  Also, regarding the other point, that 30000 sigs would be hard to gather in thirty days is inaccurate. That is a regular benchmark that is met easily and without much effort, so that is a viable option, although you are right about the fact that running a shill campaign and a real political effort at the same time is expensive. It can bite you in the ass. They are going to have to think long and hard about their options and make very carefully calculated choices.

epicmale
epicmale

The liebrals that fled Kalifornia are now turning Arizona into what frightened them about Kalifornia.  You'd think they'd be smart enough to figure out that their socialistic, pollyanna, rose tinted glasses outlook just doesn't work in the real world. 

Rollem45
Rollem45

It is important for the recall to occur.  If Arpaio is forced into a recall election, it would occur during the non-snowbird season and would limit his voting base as they will be enjoying the summer weather back east. This is do-able if the supporters get out to the signature locations and counter the geezers that my show up to cause interference!

tripgabby
tripgabby

Where do I sign up for Arpio's recall.  Where is the website, I would love to donate money to that recall. This man either has dementia or just crazy.   

john04301
john04301

The people who are damaging this state are the ones who are constantley complaining  our citizens who live and vote there are racists. We have congressmen Grijalva demanding a boycot of arizona telling people and companies to stay away which in fact created a major hit to our hospitality industry which a majority of hispanics work in. Type in on your computor  phoenix mug shots and look at the criminals captured for any given week its not all hispanics it shows an across the board variety of perps there is not one race over represented. Arpaio won the election by a better % then obama who only got 51%. Having taxpayer's front 5 million dollars for a recall borders on insanity considering Arpiao has not done anything outlandish since his re election win.

SethC
SethC

Just as Saddam fell and wars erupted, so will it happen if Arpio gets booted out. Chaos!!

azwi
azwi

I really wish that they would of added John McCain to the recall list. Now there's an embarrassment for Arizona too.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

I'm tempted to go down to the GOP headquarters this weekend, or the next time they have one of these meetings. I would love to put one of these depends wearing fools in jail for assaulting me like he did the camera man.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

Everyone needs to read this article about Joe. Joe can't even do his job, part of which is not getting in the way of the judicial process and making sure that the not proven guilty people he is responsible for getting to court, get a fair day in court - and yes, that is a part of a law enforcement officers responsibilities

http://www.azfamily.com/outbound-feeds/yahoo-news/Attorney-Sheriff-Joe-Arpaios-lunch-and-sleep-policies-interfering-with-judicial-process-192389651.html


Just more proof of why Joe is unfit for the job.

MultiWriter
MultiWriter

@deanvpPlease see my post under MultiWriter. Not only is he/she bashing Tea Party members, he's repeatedly bashing senior citizens (geezers). Young people don't understand the depth of understanding of the world older people have acquired through experience and the determination it took to get them where they are in the world today. Again, it's like the "Hitler youth" in the book/film, "1984".  The exact quote from the film is,

"We are the Glorious Generation!! We're going to trace down all the "thought criminals" and traitors! We'll shoot them! We'll vaporize them, WHOEVER they are!"

See the children at 20:20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDbWtbCHt7g


squash
squash

@deanvp If teabaggers don't want to be called teabaggers, perhaps they shouldn't have made the term up themselves!

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sarum
sarum

@deanvp This is an "entertainment weekly."  They can write anything they damn well please. 

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@epicmale AMEN SEEMS I CANT GO A DAY WITHOUT SEEING SOME LICENSE PLATE FROM SOCIALIST CALIFORNIA.

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@Rollem45 NOT SO FAST YOU YOUNG SPRING CHICKEN WITH ALL THE ANSWERS TO THE WORLD PROBLEMS.  CALL US GEEZERS ALL YOU WANT.  RIDICULE AND DISRESPECT US ALL YOU WANT.  ONE THING YOU WONT DO IS HAVE ANY SAY IN HOW WE CONDUCT WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.  WE BUILT ARIZONA AND THIS IS OUR HOME. WE DONT FLY EAST DURING THE SUMMER.  WE STAY RIGHT HERE AND WELL BE DAMNED IF A SPRING CHICKEN THAT THINKS THEY KNOW BETTER HAVE ANY SAY. WELL YOU CAN HAVE A SAY BUT WE KNOW BETTER.  LOOK HERE.  WHEN WE PASS, THEN YOU CAN MESS IT UP THIS STATE.  UNTIL THEN, RESPECT YA ELDERS.

Comrade
Comrade

AH.....WHAT.....TOUCH DOWN.......WHAT. john04301, You lost me...You are living in the past man, Raul Grijalva has nothing to do with the OLD FART Recall. U R living on 2010 when  SB1070 was passed, WAKE UP!!! I've been telling U, don't smell Arpayaso's ass, just check Jaffy's posts and You'll see the consequences for smelling that shit, all His posts are stupid shit without logic, but go along child.

tripgabby
tripgabby

@azwi where do I sign that recall too and donate money to that cause...McCain has had his time and he too needs to go home and grow old.  

deanvp
deanvp

@Flyer9753 You too will be wearing depends sooner than you might expect. When they put you in jail you will pee in your pants.

john04301
john04301

I guess you have not been to tent city. pull that stunt and you will be a guest

deanvp
deanvp

@Flyer9753 

Joe is more fit for the job than anyone trying to recall him.  You have no qualifications to back up your ridiculous claims. Who died and you thought they left you in charge?  Maybe you could try being a Communist Community Organizer for a few years. Look where it got OBAMA!

tripgabby
tripgabby

@Flyer9753  when he won by a narrow margin, he couldn't even answer questions prompted.  I think he has dementia as he had a difficult time completing sentences that were posed to him.  Notwithstanding all of the corruption but he thinks it is ok to steal from the taxpayers.  

Bnbk
Bnbk

@Flyer9753 More proof of Arpaio's gestapo tactics. I had not read that yet ,Thanks.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@Flyer9753 its obvious hes not a nutrionist, and just brought one in to make his bullshit plausible. 2600 calories, great...are those fat calories, or carbs? There is a HUGE difference, and i think we all know its not healthy. SO, i would recommend each and every inmate on trial have their lawyer draft motions to dismiss on account they are not capable of assisting in their defense. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out one will have no energy based on the food MCSO hands out, cause its not carbs but starch and fat instead...

deanvp
deanvp

@sarum @deanvp 

Yep, if they want to be uninformed idiots.  Sooner or later they will want to get paid.

deanvp
deanvp

@sarum @deanvp If it is pure entertainment then the author failed miserably

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@deanvp @Flyer9753  

HAHAHAHAHA - throw me in jail for what, defending myself? Last I looked I still have that right, no matter how much aholes like Joe and you try to take it away.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@john04301 awww... yet another troll who doesn't read or know what they are talking about.


I will not be the one going to tent city. The elderly depends wearer I mention from above was the one that did the assaulting, so why would I be going to jail?

Please enlighten us with your wisdom about how the person who gets assaulted, like I state in my comment, would be the one going to jail?

I welcome your infinite wisdom.... this should be funny, if you even respond that is.

KennyKiklar
KennyKiklar

@david_saint01 @Flyer9753 

I was in Durango for a while, pre-trial.  The 2600 calories come from garbage like moldy rolls and fortified peanut butter.  The meals fed to inmates are super high in starches, low in healthy/good fats, and nearly devoid of protein.  All calories are not created equal. 

For him to say "It's 2600 calories, so it's fine," is ridiculous.  X number of calories from a chicken breast, an apple, and a handful of almonds is not the same thing as an equal amount of calories from refined white flour and high fructose corn syrup.  The food in the MC jails is inhumane.

And yes, I realize jail should not be fun.  I get that.  I understand it.  But people need to keep in mind two things:

1. This is America, where people are assured their right to due process.  Citizens are innocent until proven guilty.

2. Something like 70% of the inmates in Joe's jails are PRE-TRIAL.  They haven't even been convicted or had their day in court yet. 

Therefore, while they shouldn't get luxury, these people should absolutely have adequate food, water, shelter, medical care, and safety... NONE of which inmates get in Maricopa County jails.  That is as WRONG and as un-American as you can get.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@david_saint01 @Flyer9753  

While I agree with everything you say, it's not only that. 

He gets them up at 4:30AM for court that is at 10:30am? Why? Sound like deliberate sleep deprivation.

Then to have 1 meal that is supposed to last them 14 hours until the dinner meal at 6:30pm?

While 2600 calories is acceptable daily intake, it's not supposed to be and is actually unhealthy as in dangerous, to put the human body through up/down/up swings like that.

The underlying problem as I see it is the attitude this shows. Oh they are criminals so it doesn't matter - odd, I thought they were just accused.

Oh they are criminals so they don't need to be alert in court, like everyone else who is in court is.

I would love to put Arpaio in his own jails, based on an accusation alone and then see what he thinks of how he treats people who have not been found guilty of any crime.

I think that should be mandatory for anyone in a position of authority, from street cop all the way up - they should all spend a week in the 'system' themselves, then we might actually get our Justice system back.

deanvp
deanvp

@Flyer9753 @deanvp Have you noticed how much you are repeating yourself? It is a problem for those who are borderline insane. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result. Unfortunatley you are no longer borderline. You crossed over quite some time ago.  And we were so much anticipating your little pink underwear too. Poor little thing and things! Obama will take care of you! You make a good couple.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@deanvp @Flyer9753  

Wow - I love you idiots with your pot calling the kettle black outlook on things.

and you still have not answered the question. Typical.

Have a nice nite trolly, don't forget to take your lithium.

deanvp
deanvp

@Flyer9753 @deanvp You asked a question? Oh really I thought you were just being stupid and calling people names. I was right on the stupid part and all you know how to do is hurl insults. I'm surprised you can even type with an IQ of less than 60.  Sheriff Joe has done more good for Maricopa County during his tenure that you will do in a lifetime.  The only thing he hasn't done correctly is get you out parading around in your pink underwear. But there is nothing under it anyway so it doesn't matter.  You would be sooooo cute!!

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@deanvp @Flyer9753  

LOL _ typical troll - can't answer a simple question.

Run along now troller, I am sure it's time for your lithium or something else like that.

I sincerely hope you are one of those old depends wearing gheezers who will be there trying to intimidate people to not sign the petition - I will really enjoy throwing you in jail

I also hope you resist..... :)

deanvp
deanvp

@Flyer9753 @deanvp You have a right to be stupid and you are proving it without a doubt. You have such a shitty outlook on life the only Ahole you can see is your own.

john04301
john04301

@FLYER Unpatriotic assholes.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@john04301 ROFL!!

I love you idiot trolls. "Oh you want to provoke an altercation" even though all I stated I wanted to do was be there, as a private citizen, which is my right and IF this depends wearing geezer assaulted me like HE ALREADY DID SOMEONE else, then arrest him

But of course, it's all the fault of the person who got accosted/assaulted according to you. Do you blame the rape victim as well? I bet you think all the kids who were sexually abused that Joe ignored deserved it. 

You are the problem here, giving Joe a free pass rather than standing up for your rights and helping others stand up for theirs. Unpatriotic assholes like you should be deported even before the illegals get deported - at least they want to try to build something better, whereas all you clearly want is the status quo or to take us backwards.

john04301
john04301

Instigating, you want to provoke an altercation THATS THE PROBLEM. Ativists and their groups are going to ruin any posible solution for immigration reform. Limp wristed liberal's shoud just shut the f--k up for a while and let congress debate and fix this. All those parades, marches,sitin's and demonizing have down is to inflame the issue not help it. The democrats want political gain and the republican's want votes immgration refrom is going to happen however if idiots start demanding recalls along with acting out the american people will turn negative towards granting anything .

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@john04301 

In your opinion. So why aren't you down or over there doing just that? 

At least I am trying to right a wrong somewhere, unlike you who just sits there behind a keyboard and rags on others ideas and clearly can't comprehend simple english like in Kenny's comment.

Take your hypocrisy elsewhere

john04301
john04301

@Flyer you and your ilk would be better served if you took all that energy and warped idologyand either go down to Mexico or over to Alabama, Georgia andNorth Carolina inquier about their treatment of the incarserated.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@john04301 John, do you have a reading comprehension problem? Kenny was not comparing the food to any other jail, he was stating an opinion.


john04301
john04301

@ Kenny That said what state are you comparing arizona's jail food with ?please if you can give a name of a jail that has a better nutritious menu. Please do not use Guantanamo

deanvp
deanvp

@Flyer9753 @david_saint01 

The best way to avoid this kind of treatment is not get arrested.   Where does it say that prisoners should be coddled?  If you don't like this system I suggst you move to a middle Eastern coujntry. Then you would consider Joe's treatment as a vacation.  If you don't want to be treated as a criminal don't be a criminal.

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

@Flyer9753 @david_saint01

See the U.S. Supreme Court decision Furman vs. Georgia (1972) for what constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. You'd agree that the Old Fool's jails meet this standard.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@david_saint01 @Flyer9753  

I agree, they do have the opportunity and should crash early if they have court the next day, but having seen what the jails and tent city are like firsthand (from an LEO perspective), I can state unequivocally that doing so is not always possible just do to the goings on in the jail. It's not like they can go to bed, turn out the lights and noise and such. 

I agree it's their (the accused) responsibility to be rested for court, but I also see the actions of MCSO in that aspect to be just 1 more of a long line of things that MCSO does that go against the auspice of being a Law Enforcement Agency with the attendant responsibilities and the auspice of upholding the way our legal system is supposed to function. 

To me, the sleep aspect, is just one more in a long line of things that MCSO does to skirt the letter of the law, rather than uphold the spirit of the law.

And yes, the POW camp is a perfect analogy. I as well blame society but also blame MCSO and Joe since they are in the position to do what our laws say they should do. Instead they are acting like they are interpreters of public will, instead of our vote being the statement of public will.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@Flyer9753 @david_saint01 to be fair..they have every opportunity to crash early the night before court..i know i would. But the food aspect is actually more of the issue I think. You are definitely onto something with the effects to the body with such drastic shifts. Sounds more like a POW camp than a jail full of inmates who are supposed to be innocent UNTIL proven guilty.. But i blame society for that, as it has become all too common especially with social media being the way it is.  

 
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