This time, the MCSO's reply came from Arpaio attorney Tim Casey, promising an appeal and offering the conflicting assertions that the MCSO does not engage in racial profiling and that whatever the MCSO did was ICE's fault because it was ICE that trained the MCSO on immigration to begin with.

That last bit from Casey ignored ICE's removing the MCSO's 287(g) field authority in 2009, in large part because the Sheriff's Office was running roughshod over the U.S. Constitution with its large-scale anti-immigrant sweeps.

Arpaio's office knew it was going to lose its 287(g) authority before it actually was taken way. So, as Snow recounts in his ruling, Deputy Chief Brian Sands asked Human Smuggling Unit Sergeant Brett Palmer to "conduct legal research into whether the MCSO had authority to enforce immigration law absent the authorization of the Department of Homeland Security."

Sheriff Joe: A grotesque symptom of Maricopa County's disease of anti-Mexican bigotry, not the disease itself.
Jamie Peachey
Sheriff Joe: A grotesque symptom of Maricopa County's disease of anti-Mexican bigotry, not the disease itself.

Palmer is not a lawyer, and if you've ever seen him interviewed, you might assume that Walmart wasn't hiring security guards the day he applied to be a deputy sheriff.

Still, after an Internet search, Palmer reported back to Sands that local cops do have authority "to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes," without the knowledge of the feds. He even cited a federal law to this effect.

There was one big problem, however: The law didn't exist. This didn't stop Arpaio from citing it during an interview with right-wing TV pundit Glenn Beck not long after his losing 287(g) field authority.

Palmer, his colleagues, Arpaio, and a large portion of the public also were under the delusion that all undocumented persons were guilty of a federal criminal offense.

Snow disabuses them of this misconception, in part, by quoting from the U.S. Supreme Court's Senate Bill 1070 ruling in Arizona vs. United States.

"As a general rule," the Supreme Court wrote, "it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain present in the United States. If the police stop someone based on nothing more than possible removability, the usual predicate for an arrest is absent."

Casey's contention that it was ICE that trained the MCSO to racially profile has an element of truth to it. Deputies testified that ICE taught them that race could be used as a factor, if not the sole factor, in detaining people and inquiring into their immigration status.

But Snow finds that this belief is a misinterpretation of a Supreme Court decision, one rejected by the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which held that "in locations where a significant portion of the legal resident population is of Hispanic ancestry, Hispanic descent was not a permissible factor to consider, either alone or in conjunction with other factors, in forming reasonable suspicion justifying the detention of a suspect based on his or her unauthorized presence."

No doubt, the 287(g) program, dusted off and proliferated by the administration of President George W. Bush as part of the response to the 9/11 attacks, was fatally flawed.

Nevertheless, when then-Governor Janet Napolitano and the Bush administration conspired in 2007 to bring the 287(g) program to Arizona and give Napolitano's political pal Arpaio the largest 287(g) force in the nation, they were handing a dangerous new law enforcement tool to a bad actor engaged in persistent violations of civil rights.

Napolitano and the Bush administration also were introducing 287(g) to Arizona at a time when anti-Mexican animus was reaching a fever pitch. That a power-mad egomaniac like Arpaio would go nuclear with his new toy was predictable.

But the complicity of ICE and Napolitano (currently Homeland Defense secretary) does not alleviate any of the MCSO's guilt or the guilt of the majority of a public that applauded Arpaio's every racist deed and action.

The MCSO simply assumed it did not engage in racial profiling, and as long as it had a legitimate reason to stop a vehicle or person, MCSO satraps figured they were off the hook.

But Snow observes that several deputies testified that they could develop probable cause to pull over any vehicle after just following it for a couple of minutes.

With this in mind, the MCSO's poorly defined "zero tolerance" policy became a license to racially profile, since the MCSO made it clear before, during, and after its sweeps that the purpose of these "crime-suppression operations" was the arrest of as many illegal immigrants as possible.

The court found credible expert testimony that Latinos were far more likely to be stopped, detained, and arrested during the sweeps, in some cases 54 percent more likely.

This was backed up by a study of MCSO records — at least those the MCSO did not destroy — and by anecdotal evidence as well, such as one Hispanic driver whose ID was checked while that of his non-Hispanic wife was never asked for, an unusual occurrence considering that MCSO deputies were known for checking the ID of all Latinos in a vehicle.

Perhaps the most egregious example comes from the arrest of the lead plaintiff in the case, Manuel de Jesus Ortega-Melendres, who, in 2007, was a passenger in a vehicle driven by an Anglo.

The deputy who pulled over the car was ordered by the Human Smuggling Unit to follow it and develop probable cause to stop it. This after Melendres, a day laborer, got into the driver's truck. (Note: Another bit of Archie Bunker-like bigotry by the MCSO was that it equated day laborers with illegal immigrants, something Snow remarks upon.)

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Cozz
Cozz

Maricopa County residents have no one to blame but themselves for this Hitler of a man calling himself a Shuuriff to be reelected time and time again.

It actually shows perfectly that bigotry and racism is alive and well in Maricopa County and Arizona in general.

A badge Arizona seems to wear proudly.

brinvinn
brinvinn

The whole thing sounds like a real hoot to me dude.


www.AnonStuff.tk

all4blueAZ
all4blueAZ

Bustamonte is absolutely correct: Maricopa Co. residents are responsible for the saga that is Sheriff Joe.  MCSO, protected by corrupt county officials and politicians can't get out of the spotlight now.

sarum
sarum

Even prison employees in state of AZ are not allowed time to eat on regular basis in order to control their diabetes so it is not just MCSO & not just the prisoners.  Treating employees this way is creating business favorable climate I suppose?  AZ always been known for this.  Human beings are  are just trash to be paid unsustainable wages and thrown away based on their position in the power structure - NOT their race although race can be a factor.

So who is going to "monitor" MCSO?  UN?  What do you propose?   AZ leads the way once again.

bilhphx
bilhphx

this is getting a little far a feel we are under attack by the Muslims who are living in the 16th century they just have better toys to kill unbelievers and that's the key word that means all of us. They are recruiting young blacks in Detroit and other city to kill us by using local people who think they have put down it's much easier to blame US than look at them selves and say I have to look for myself and make a living on my own and this is the best country to do it people really do not how lucky they are living here this is the Best country in the world to live and work we have to stop people from coming in Illegally and we have step up our enforcement of out of date Visas if we do not want to admit it we are at WAR.  

john0430
john0430

The tide turned on the mexican's when the decided to hold a march back in 2006. People from all over the country got to watch mexican's waving their huge flags screeming threw magaphones demanding equal rights, open border's and demonization of Americans. That misguided display of stupidity started the backlash towards hispanic's they should have just shut up and lived in the shadows

bilhphx
bilhphx

answer to mike 1969 it people like you who are not smart enough to know what going to happen when the Illegals flow in here. If 1969 is the year you were born you must have been living under a rock on in jail this state and country can not have millions of Illegals we need engineers, programer, doctors business people not garners and day workers we have plenty's of them we need people that want to be Americans and speak English and want to be here fly the American flag not the Mexican and thank god we have Sheriff that was willing to enforce  the laws of this state

bilhphx
bilhphx

This proves that FED Judges do not live on this planet . I suppose the new time will start screaming to tear down fence let them all in the business owner  will like it Illegals will work for less and no benefits they will  welcome it  . and all Illegals that already here will really love it and there kids will get free medical care and free schooling of course we can not expect these people to speak English that would be profiling and when they steal and rape our young girls and run back to Mexico we won't ask them to send them because they won't home invasions will go up our police will be killed but do not worry the New Times will figure out it was the polices fault and of course you will be real happy you prevented the Sheriff from doing his JOB to follow the law (just how much did it cost you and the Mexican govt. to pay off the judge to put everybody in Arizona at risk was it worth it) Racial Profiling is a made up word that has really no meaning unless you are some Mexican that got caught. I can only imaged how the drinks must have flowed at the News Times when the Judge released his decision all you young punk bastard that never did any real work and think you are all so smart wait until you come home and find your home sacked your wife or girl friend raped and killed by a Illegal you were so worried about and when they catch him he say's you add so much and he had noting  I sure hope that does not happen to you I lost my wife of 38 years and it still hurts it will be a year in July NOT ONE YOU PEOPLE  HAVE EVER HAD TO RUN A OFFICE OF 34000 PLUS PEOPLE BUT YOU AND YOUR READERS ARE RIGHT THERE WHEN SOMETHING WRONG HAPPENS . IT WAS A BAD THING THAT HAPPEN IN EL MIRAGE BUT WHEN THE WOMAN WON'T TELL THE OFFICER ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHO HURT THERE CHILD BUT THEY DO NOT WANT TO LOOSE THE MONEY HE BRINGS IN AND WHEN YOU TRUST SOMEONE LIKE HENDERSHOT WHO WAS JUST CROOKED BUT NO ONE WOULD TELL THE SHERIFF BECAUSE THEY AL FEARED HIM UNTIL HE JUST WENT TO FAR AND THE SHERIFF FIRED HIM UNLESS YOU HAVE WALKED IN HIS SHOES NONE OF US HAVE THE RIGHT TO BLAME THE SHERIFF UNLESS YOU HAVE RUN A COMPANY OF 34000 PEOPLE AND NEVER HAD A PROBLEM THEN YOU ARE SPECIAL. But do not worry this will all go over the heads of you super intellectuals .

Mikey1969
Mikey1969

Keep in mind that it ISN'T just Maricopa County that's to blame, it's all the blue hairs in Moose Balls, Minnesota who are here just long enough each year to vote(3 months or 4, I can't remember), this paper has mentioned it before, but it bears repeating. These timid fucktards hear how scary "big cities" are, and since they haven't gotten raped and mugged in Phoenix, Mesa, Chandler, Sun City, etc., every year, it MUST mean that Joe is "doing a good job". Never mind the fact that the El Mirage fiasco is evidence that he not only isn't doing his job well, but that he has absolutely zero interest in even doing it in the first place. On top of that, they seem to think that he patrols the streets, even though MCSO is not the city police.


I wouldn't blame the residents for Arpaio getting elected. Not all of them, anyway. Those snowbirds represent a huge chunk of the vote. What I WOULD blame the residents of Maricopa County for is not being active enough to get this recall going. In a county of 3.88 million people, you'd think a few hundred thousand could find it in themselves to care enough to unseat this corrupt, useless turd. Seriously, he has in no way brought pride to Arizona, and it is up to you people to clean this stain off of your heritage.

uncut1ga
uncut1ga

LOL! Why don't you write this story: "Recall is epic failure by leftist nut jobs"

uncut1ga
uncut1ga

Quit crying you moronic libtard! The choice of the people is Sheriff Joe!

scott.huminski
scott.huminski

Perhaps a little investigative reporting is in order concerning staff at the MCSO threatening people with arrest for merely reporting crimes, an activity protected by the 1st amendment.  Also an issue in the USDC and 9th circuit.  Oh the crimes reported were crimes committed by cronies of Arpaio.  Its all public record in the courts.

brinvinn
brinvinn

Sounds like a soild plan to me dude.


www.WorldPrivacy.tk

sarum
sarum

@bilhphx Seriously?  What are we doing in their lands?  US backed "Arab Spring" has seen take over of exremist Islamists just as in Iraq & Afpak so our interference is certainly not to bring them into our version of modernity.  Go to Youtube & watch Syrian Girl's Partisan channel - especially the NWO hates Syria one.  Also pay close attention to another vid - years old now - titled "Why Gaddafi Must Die" and expand your worldview please.  There is most certainly a war going on but not quite as you see it.


all4blueAZ
all4blueAZ

have grammar to go with that bigotry?

bobunf
bobunf

@bilhphx   I see you're back to "No Irish Need Apply" and "No dogs or Chinese."  How about "Always a view, never a Jew?"  

Best country in the world??  

Number 50 in life expectancy.  Japanese live 6 years longer than Americans

Number 51 in infant mortality.  American babies die more than twice as often as Swedish babies

Number 47 in maternal death rate.  American mothers are five times as likely to die as Italian mothers

But number 1 in money spent on health care.  Spending more than twice as much with truly miserable results.

Number 1 in total prisoners, number 1 in incarceration rate, number 1 in female incarceration.  Way ahead of China, Russia, Iran

Number 1 in homicides among developed countries.  

Number 1 in drug use other than alcohol and cigarettes.

Number 31 in income inequality.  

Number 15 in GDP per capita behind Luxembourg, Singapore, Norway, Switzerland, etc.

How about "NEEDS IMPROVEMENT," rather than "BEST IN THE WORLD?"

Maybe, "Needs lots of improvement really, really badly."




sarum
sarum

@truthseekeraz Wow - blame the people like they had a whole lot of choice.  Tarnish the entire people of Maricopa County of which approx 58% is "white."  Latinos can consider themselves "white" or "hispanic" ethnic so what is true demographics?  IDK.  I see mostly Hispanic everywhere.  Refusing to protect a state from invasion violates the Constitution.  RICO!  RICO!  RICO!  RICO for your CCA private prisons.  RICO for your prison slave labor.  RICO for denying AHCCCS to citizens while aiding and abetting illegals.  RICO!  The People's White House Presents RICO!

CaneCorsoMom
CaneCorsoMom

@john0430 The tide turned on the Mexicans when they decided to hold a march back in 2006. People from all over the country got to watch Mexicans waving their huge flags screaming through megaphones demanding equal rights, open borders, and demonization of Americans. That misguided display of stupidity started the backlash towards Hispanics. They should have just shut up and lived in the shadows. 

Replace "Mexicans/Hispanics" with "Italians" and you get...... the 1800's!!! 

There, I fixed it for you. Might want to actually learn to write and speak the language before you go around bashing those who you think should "live in the shadows." 

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967

@bilhphx 

Um, you DO realize it was the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 that caused the current immigration situation right?

And you know who signed IRCA? Ronald Reagan, one of the most iconic REPUBLICAN Presidents of the 20th century.

IRCA was just as big a disaster as BS1070. It was supposed to hold employers responsible for hiring illegals, and granted amnesty to illegals here prior to January 1, 1982.

So, quit blaming Obama for something Reagan created.

sarum
sarum

@bilhphx Er disagree, the Gang's Reform bill will bring in tens of thousands of immigrants of highly trained highly skilled nature.  First of all it is highly offensive (and obviously criminal) that the best universities on the planet, belonging to the greatest nation the earth has known ever, these universities cannot adequately train US students for the jobs that US industry needs but the third world ones can?  WTF?  The secret bonus is that the foreign trained highly skilled also have very little to zero student loan debt so they will be more desirable to US employers who will be able to pay them less.

Last I read the GangBang puts a $6K price tag on all low wage US citizen workers heads.  Newly legal will not be required to join Obamacare for 10 years and their employers will not be required for those newly legal employees.  Employers of newly legals will receive a $3K reward from the feds for employing them.  Employers of the newly legals are encouraged in writing to count the hours that the employee "failed to work" in order to receive the $3K.  The other half that makes up the $6K is the fine that the feds will levy on employers for each low-wage US worker who was not paid enough to purchase Obamacare.

This is not a race war.  This is a war on US citizens of all races and classes.  This is social engineering just as heinous as Mao's Cultural Revolution, the Holodomor, the Russian Revolution, the Killing Fields and so on.   This is an artificial construct to benefit corporate profit, bolster government power and throw away people.

I agree that for those of us who are very aware of the great expense and effort our family went to in order to intentionally assimilate - because the promise of the American Dream was to those who became part of the US.  Now the government rewards people for refusing to become part of, refusing to assimilate, rejecting the white man's knowledge and so on.  No, I don't want to pay for that attitude either but our government is going to shove us into the global market in a manner that says they want huge collateral damage.

sarum
sarum

@bilhphx Why the intended pass date for the Gang's "Reform" is July 4th - so they can celebrate along with the rest of us.

sarum
sarum

@bilhphx Victims of crimes by illegals need to have class action against Feds for willfully refusing to do their job and failing to honor our Constitution and laws of this nation under the RICO.  yeah yeah, I know - probably never even get to file the papers as written below or hey, you can get told "no standing."  Just daydreaming.

mrh0202201091
mrh0202201091

EXCUSE ME...NEED I REMIND YOU IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER>>OF ALL THE MASS KILLING COMMITTED BY WHITE SUPREMACIST.1. 5 killed in gilbert arizona,including a baby shot at point blank. 2. glendale officer shot and killed by white supremacist.then shot again and kicked while he lay on the ground.except this time with his own gun..3.Federal judge in tucson arizona killed and congress women wounded and 9 year old girl killed as well as countless others..again by white supremacist..4th colorado shooting many lives taken in movie theatre..by white supremacist..5th conneticut..26 people killed .includind 20 children at or under the age of 5years old and numerouse brave teachers who stood in the way as the shooter went on a rampage..AND THESE ARE JUST THE ONES THAT GOT CAUGHT. SO GOVERNOR BREWER>SINCE YOU STARTED ALL THIS BY PREACHING HATE AND INTOLERANCE TOWAREDS THOSE OF A DIFFRENT COLOR AND RACE..WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE.....

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@Mikey1969  these are the people who will readily believe Joe was kidnapped................they will believe anything he says. P.T. Barnum said "there's a sucker born every minute" now we know where they they all live.........Maricopa county (or at least thats where they vote)


Mikey1969
Mikey1969

@uncut1ga "Epic"? They may have failed, but "epic" would be something like 50,000 total signatures. I'm thinking that as a Arpaio supporter, you obviously aren't very bright, but I'll try and explain the concept of failure vs. epic failure anyway. I have time, and who knows? Maybe I'll use small enough words for it to work for you.

"Failure" means that you didn't do what you set out to do. It's as simple as that. If they were 1 signature short, or 100,000 signatures short, it woud have been a "failure".

"Epic" means 'grand', or 'on a large scale'. Considering that 5 weeks ago, they had 200,000 signatures, they were already two thirds of the way there(Two thirds means that the total is broken into 3 equal parts, and if you add two of those, you have two thirds.). Give them 5 more weeks, and when adding in a margin for the signatures that woud probably be thrown out, they didn't make it. I'm betting you that they were pretty close, but not close enough. Given their progress up to 5 weeks ago, the only "epic" thing involved here is your willingness to let someone else do your thinking for you.

mm812267
mm812267

@scott.huminski If it is so bad here then move back to one of those states that put up with your crap..stop wasting our tax dollars on your stupidity. This Judge Snow jobs opinion is a lonely opinion in Maricopa county.. we have your back Sheriff Joe.. appeal and we will kick the snow jobs arse out of office next election.. Thank you  Sheriff Joe !!

mm812267
mm812267

@scott.huminski  If it is so bad here then move back to one of those states that put up with your crap..stop wasting our tax dollars on your stupidity. This Judge Snow jobs opinion is a lonely opinion in Maricopa county.. we have your back Sheriff Joe.. appeal and we will kick the snow jobs arse out of office next election.. Thank you  Sheriff Joe !!

sarum
sarum

@HILLFOLKREDNECK Only time an illegal alien has "Civil Rights" is in their home country or under global governance.  An illegal alien only has international rights, not those pertaining to citizens of a nation they have no business being in.  So I like Cowboy Joe.  I don't agree with him on everything but I enjoy him trying to KISS it.  

bilhphx
bilhphx

@all4blueAZ You and everyone is missing the point . Only very boring people and the ones that weigh 400lbs have nothing to do but check grammar errors. Get with the problem Illegals are hurting this country. grow up

bilhphx
bilhphx

@bobunf @bilhphx It really shows when you have nothing worth saying you become grammar critic .So when you have anything worth while to say write back. 

sarum
sarum

@bobunfAgreed but truthfully I don't mind people sarcastically utilizing the government/corporate/media spin as a reference point for what isn't working so well.

bilhphx
bilhphx

@bobunf @bilhphx  This is about how could any body make a point that is totally out of line in his ruling .What we have here getting way out of the point the point is this country is at war and the war also is from within at us from people that live here or came here but do not love this country we have stop the Illegals from coming here. what we need are people who want to live here and love this country and are educated Dr 's.Engineers, Programers not burger flippers or lawn mowers we have enough. of those.

bilhphx
bilhphx

@truthseekeraz @bilhphx The sheriff is not out of control society is so worried about being white and we are the blame white has become a bad word . But only to the people that want have everything given to them poor me I am  black  poor me I am a drug user and it s the white mans fault . If you want to look at abuse in the phoenix police dept. But just remember everybody in jail is innocence and there being pick on by the big bad white man we can only hope the next sheriff is half as good as Sheriff Joe . The worse person on the board of  for this city and the Mexican people living in her area is WILCOXS  with people like her this city will always have trouble she breeds hate and is only looking to see how much see can steal from the county  for herself and not the people she  suppose to look out for and she  Mexican


mrh0202201091
mrh0202201091

IN DEED WE ARE supposed to be a civilized society now.WITH INTELLIGENT SOLUTIONS. NOT BARBARIC ONES...WE DON T LIVE IN THE OLD DAYS. WHER YOU COUNTRYS COULD GET AWAY WITH CRUELTY AND INHUMANE TREATMENT  HELL WHY DID OUR ANCESTERS FIGHT AND GO DIE IN WAR..I THINK YOU KNOW THE ANSWER.

bilhphx
bilhphx

GUN RULES ARE SIMPLE FILL OUT THE FORM AND GET A FULL BACK ROUND NO SKINHEADS IF YOU HAVE A RECORD NO PERMIT BUT WE ALL BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS HAVE GUNS THIS IS JUST FOR THE NORMAL GUN OWNER  2 DIFFERENT ISSUES JUST PASS THE BACK ROUND CHECKS UNFORTUNATELY MASS SHOOTING WILL GO ON  THERE NO RACE OR COLOR ITEM IF YOU ARE illegally YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THE COLOR  YOU HAVE  PROFILING GOING ON ITS SIMPLE IF YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY ITS AGAINST THE LAW SORRY NO RACE DIFFERENCE THE LAW THE LAW.  

sarum
sarum

@mrh0202201091 Wow I did not know that all of them were White Supremists.  But in each case you mention, the majority (if not all) of victims, targets were also "white."  So even if all the perps were White Supremists, what does it mean when all their victims are also "white?"  

Does that mean that Kanye West is a "Black Supremist" based on the lyrics of his new song advocating rape of the enemy's woman?  

"allow tens of thousands of workers into the country legally for high- and low-skilled jobs "  Kinda doesn't matter what kind of Supremist you are if this GangBang goes through we are going to see immigration on 'roids and I think the US workers will be displaced based on citizenship status (as in having it) and class - not race.  So yippeee!  The sooner we realize what this war really is about - the sooner we can get on the same page and do the right thing and race will not be part of the solution.

http://news.yahoo.com/schumer-immigration-bill-pass-senate-135548070.html

mrh0202201091
mrh0202201091

OR PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE TO RIDE OUT WITH HOMICIDE DETECTIVES AS THEY PICK UP THE BLOOD AND CARNAGE...

uncut1ga
uncut1ga

@Mikey1969 @uncut1ga Everytime you libtard recall nut-jobs quote a figure it gets lower and lower. Next thing you know it you will claim you missed it by 1 signature.


EPIC FAILURE

sarum
sarum

@bilhphxer . . .er. . . . . ahem . . . . we HAVE aLOT of educated types working at Walmart & Starbucks cuz there ARE NO JOBS for them in the profession they took out the most criminally compounded on the planet student loans to train for.  So please don't Diss the Burger Flippers - many of them did all the right things to have a good life but our politicians and corporations did not do their part to maintain the American Dream.

bobunf
bobunf

@bilhphx @bobunf I really think you need to work on your English.  

This is about how could any body make a point that is totally out of line in (SIC) his (REFERENCE) ruling .(PUNCTUATION - SPACING) What we have here (SIC) getting way out (WRONG WORD) of the point (PUNCTUATION) the point is this country is at war (PUNCTUATION) and the war also is from within at (SIC) us from people that live here or came here (PUNCTUATION) but do not love this country (PUNCTUATION - CAPITALIZATION) we have (SIC) stop the Illegals (CAPITALIZATION) from coming here. what (CAPITALIZATION) we need are people who want to live here and (PUNCTUATION) love this country and are educated Dr 's. (PUNCTUATION) Engineers, (CAPITALIZATION) Programers (CAPITALIZATION - SPELLING) not burger flippers or lawn mowers (PUNCTUATION – RUN ON SENTENCE) we have enough. (PUNCTUATION) of those.

sarum
sarum

@truthseekeraz True, there are Spanish names for places that "official" (government) publications/resources are clueless about.  AZ vulgar (as in common) vernacular calls all "whites" "Anglos."  Linguistic and conceptual dominance in various venues demonstrates who has the power in that venue.  Calling all "whites" "Anglos" is extremely prejudice and denial of the individual's ethnic history, sensibilities including sense of self.  It is just as offensive as calling all foreign-born with accents "Mexican."  I have known Polish and Afghani immigrants called "Mexican" - how much through intentional (xenophobic) prejudice and how much through ignorance I do not know.  Just saying - the problems go both ways.  

I did read some literature on-line purporting to be from the banned class material and I did consider it to be incendiary and inflammatory vs.  informative.   Kinda like how all our media can't report the facts but has to brand it with their spin.  Plenty of people have educated the ignorant without destroying community.  It is possible.  Violence is not necessary.  Especially since "whites" are known as the most shame-based people on the planet - it is easy to shame them into self-correction, which has been occurring for decades now but conversely I note that people of color have codified hatred of whites into their cultural identity in an unforgiving permanent manner that is not conducive to anything but genocide.  

This is why I keep saying the conversations about race and "white privilege" need to be had routinely so that people can learn to think logically instead of emotionally.  Such education empowers all and gives us the tools to conduct ourselves in a civilized respectful manner.  It should be just as mandatory as "government" classes.  We brag to the world about being the "melting pot" but have done absolutely NOTHING on a permanent and nationwide scale to help people cope with culture clash that is inevitable.  Russia was the melting pot of the ancient world and look where that lead them - we are going there too it seems.

sarum
sarum

@bilhphx Its more like control and power - by creating perpetual victimhood they control the conversation (undeniably there is a legacy of slavery and a legacy of racism that is passed on possibly even genetically) and there are the poverty pimp predators (everybody has their favorite one) so yes, many people do financially profit from perpetuating a belief that racism is still rampantly out of control.  I think that much of what is occurring contemporarily creates racism in each direction.  Most recently on my mind is the minority people that likes to get street cred by victimizing "white" - this happens on the street and it happens on the job but "white" victims are allowed no word, no term for this activity.  Everybody knows it happens.  Pastor Manning has stated that "white" targets need to stand up to it because "blacks" are spiritually crippled from having the free pass to do this with no punishment.  I have been searching for a word and have learned that "reverse racism" is unacceptable because it was created by rich white men.  (True or false I have no clue.)  Also "backlash" is an inappropriate term because often the victim has never done anything racist - its just that the black or brown wants to make a show and inflict on white the kind of pain they were told their great grandfather experienced - not they themselves.  Plus they get community reward for so doing.  Why we have devolved to youthful gang black on white crime bragged about on youtube.  Until we have some honesty from all sides we will never make progress.  The sides owning the conversation at this point, by not allowing a term for the routine targeting of whites prove that they do not want progress, they want annihilation of the enemy, the white, or so they think.  Will somebody please educate me on this one?

66rock
66rock topcommenter

@john0430  I'm a white woman, MidWest Swede. "Warped idology", Ideology? "embarrassing diatribe",  Because my views and opinions are different than yours? And no, not a miserable existence at all but if it makes you happy to think that,fine. As a mom of three, I know whines when I hear it and there is an abundance of it here. No, I don't have all the answers, either do you. 

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@MotherJones @HILLFOLKREDNECK  

You would never be able to fit it in there, what with all the incestuous right wing cock that HillFolk already has in his mouth

john0430
john0430

@66rock You seem to think your all it the one who know's better has all the answer's my guess, you live a miserable existence most likely a transient from a limp wristed liberal state like California or you could be an mexican lost in denial either way demonizing other's who disagree with your warped idology makes one wonder if there is anyone with a pea for a brain that would actually take your embarrassing diatribe's seriously.

66rock
66rock topcommenter

@HILLFOLKREDNECK @MotherJones   No, just some idiot with no life looking for attention and /or cheap laughs.  Go find some other place for your fun REDNECK, I'm bored with you, your rants and your videos.  BTW, the Actor in the cowboy hat is horrid, not even believable.  We don't have to worry about that no talent being on TV any time soon. Get lost creep.


OATHKEEPER1958
OATHKEEPER1958

@MotherJones @HILLFOLKREDNECK UP UNTIL IT WAS CANCELLED THAT AND THE DUKES OF HAZZARD, HAPPY DAYS, MASH ALL THE GREATS.  NOWADAYS T.V.S JUST TO FULL OF COMMERCIALS THAT PEOPLE DONT NEED.

 
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