He often told a story that he'd been ordered by God to care for poor children.

"You will start a learning center, my servant," he'd claim God told him. "And you will help the deprived children of El Mirage, Arizona, with their needs."

The children arrived twice a week for help with their homework, lessons about Jesus and hygiene, and a hot meal prepared by volunteers from other churches.

Guadalupe Davila Sr. was the church's pastor for about 30 years until his death.
Guadalupe Davila Sr. was the church's pastor for about 30 years until his death.
Guadalupe Davila Jr. at the El Mirage Municipal Court negotiating a plea agreement with a city prosecutor.
Courtesy of Rod and Donna Hennig
Guadalupe Davila Jr. at the El Mirage Municipal Court negotiating a plea agreement with a city prosecutor.

He concealed from members and volunteers that he'd been involved in sexual relationships with two church members at the same time. And until his arrest in March, those closest to him didn't know he'd chronically violated an order of protection filed against him by the young woman who ended the relationship.

Davila didn't disclose to parishioners that he's a former Goodyear police officer and a felon. He was busted in 1998 for stealing money earmarked for drug buys while he was working undercover on a special task force connected to the FBI. He was arrested, pleaded guilty, and spent five months in a federal prison near Seattle in 1999.

He didn't tell them, even though they asked, that none of the requisite paperwork had been filed with state and federal officials for the church's nonprofit, tax-exempt status.

After he welcomed them into the church, he was careful never to give them as much as a peek into the church's finances.

Donations for the children's center weren't the only sources of revenue during those flush times. Some Calvary volunteers started to regularly attend Camino al Cielo, and its Sunday offerings skyrocketed from a few dollars, some of it loose change, to several thousand dollars in a typical month.

Former parishioners Elizabeth Rojas and Dolores Garcia say they were at different times in charge of counting the offerings, and the money coming in was significant.

"One lady — I was shocked — we got $1,500 from," Garcia says. "And, every now and then, she would give $500 or $600. And we had other people, the snowbirds, we got nice amounts from them."

Other churches also took on Camino al Cielo as a part of their mission, including Happy Trails Christian Fellowship in Surprise. Happy Trails made a $1,500 donation, and it was poised to set up an ongoing monthly contribution to Davila.

Surprise's Radiant Church sent over its members to improve landscaping, add a playground and volleyball court, and paint Camino al Cielo's exterior — everything was donated and installed by volunteers.

Some came from Horizon Church, also in Surprise, to work with the children, and they reached deep into their pockets to help Davila.

Skyway Church in Goodyear had provided a $300 monthly donation to the El Mirage church since Davila's dad was at the pulpit. Skyway Pastor Greg Brown had known the senior Davila for decades, and it was he who ordained Davila Jr. as a minister of God on November 9, 2011.

And on March 29, 2013 — eight days after Davila's arrest — it was Brown who stripped Davila of his ministerial license and ordination, telling him in an e-mail that he was in need of help because of his dangerous "patterns of dishonesty and deceit."

Davila also solicited donations by calling in regularly to a talk show on Family Life Radio, which broadcasts to about 15 million listeners across 11 states, and talked about his church and its "many needs." For ministering to children and the poor, the station recognized Davila as a Hope Hero of the Week in March 2012 — although Davila likes to say he was dubbed "hero of the year."

Volunteers tell New Times that, about that time, the church also received out-of-state donations.

Money was coming in from many directions — and church members who requested an accounting of it say Davila rebuffed them. Those who pressed too much for answers were shamed, by name, from the pulpit as Davila openly prayed to God that they leave his church.


Alan Thompson, an associate pastor at Calvary Church in Surprise, rests his Bible on his crossed legs as he reads aloud from 2 Corinthians.

"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ," he says. "No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."

He reads a few more verses before he sets down the Good Book and pulls off his reading glasses.

"That sums up what we're seeing," he says of Calvary's experience with Davila. "There has been a lot of deception."

Calvary Church started helping Camino al Cielo in spring 2011.

When members first heard about the church in El Mirage, Thompson recalls, the congregation thought that helping it would be a great way to make a difference.

Calvary and other volunteer groups repaired the church's frayed electrical wires and installed new wood floors and new windows. Some drove to Sedona to pick up newer pews, bought appliances (including a new kitchen sink), painted the church, and added playful and artistic murals to the building.

They even added a bell to the church tower and renovated the pastor's office.

Amid all the work, including tending to children, money kept coming. Well-intentioned volunteers stuffed donations for the children's center in an envelope and kept only a rudimentary accounting. They say donors also gave funds and gift cards directly to Davila, but they have no idea how much money was involved.

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dbonedig
dbonedig

These preachers get more Money, Sex, Drugs and Children, than any other profession on earth. No wonder any idiot can wear the cloth.

arizonacitizen
arizonacitizen

I hear the church will be opening in a few weeks! It will be wonderful to have good return to a place of great sorrow. May the church and the true members be blessed by the lord.

devilshorn67-yt
devilshorn67-yt

Why, friends, there is so much and so little to say. This is simply how a sociopath lives his life day to day. They are facile liars, and manipulators and they lack any compassion for anyone but themselves. They live in a world where they are not merely the center but the sole occupants. The rest of the world is there for their use. As I said, not so much really to say. Hopefully he will be prosecuted and imprisoned again for a while, and while he is, fewer people will be exploited. But nothing he has done nor will be discovered to have done will change how he works his tricks. Write it down, "Sociopath". Anti-social Personality Disorder (APD) with narcissism.

We all meet people like this in our lives. They make up perhaps 2% or so of the population and some do quite well in business; I worked for one, almost worked for a second; and 18 months ago had one pop his way into my life and stir it up for a while. You will know what's happening when you realize that your life keeps getting worse and worse the more you are involved. The one I worked for fired me, a compliment in the long run. The one I almost worked for I managed to outlive, she got fired instead when her lies surfaced. The recent one took especially strong measures to get out of my life, including police reports. But beware, they are out there and you will almost certainly run into them in your lifetime.

victmized
victmized

SMITH BRAD OFLR SHOULD I SAY LUPE DAVILA... FIRAT OF ALL I WAS WRONGFULLY ARRESTED AND SECOND THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME ITS ABOUT LUPE THE PERV DAVILA. I DID NOT LEAVE CAUSE PERV DIDNT TAKE MY SISE ITS CAUSE MR. PERV DAVILA WOULD BLOW UP MY FONE WITH TEXT MESAAGES AND FACEBOOK MESSAGES. STATING THAT HE WAS NAKED AND THAT HE NEESS A GURL TO USE TO SATIFY HIM. TAKING TWO GURLS ONE BY ONE ALONE IN HIS OFFICE TO TAKE OFF HIS SHIRT AND SHOW THEM GIS TATTO AND WHEN THEY TOLD THERE PARENTS HE CALLED TGEM A LIAR. CHILDRRLEN DONT LIE. BRAD AKA.LUPE U SAY LUPE DNT TALK ABOUT PPL BUT HOW DID U FIND OUT ABOUT ALLISON K. WHO ELSE LUPE DAVILA OH WAIT THIS IS DAVILA HOW DO I KNOW CAUSE HE ALWAYS WRITES LONG STORIES LIKE TGIS AND TWO HE USED THE SAME WORDS WITH ME WHEN HE WOULD TEXT ME.. FUNNY HOW U HAVE TO BE SOMEONE ELSE TO TALL ABOUT UR OWN SELF.. WOW Y CANT U JUST BE STRAIGHT UP AND SAY UR LUPE INSTEAD OF MAKING UP NAMES.OH WHAT THATS WHAT U DO CAUSE AS FAR AS I REMEBER U MADE FAKE FACEBOOK ACCOUNTSS TO SEE ALLISONS AND OTHER PEOPLES FACEBOOK THAT BLOCKED UR ASS. AND 3 HAVING SOMEONE TYPE UP A FAKE IRS NUMBER SO U CAN GET COSTCO FOOD WOW VERY CLEVER DAVILA. DAVILA WOULD TALK ABOUT EVERYONE TO ME ESPECIAL ABOUT THIS LOVELY WOMEN ALLISON THAT I MEET AND IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE DAVILA SAY SHE IS. I WILL NOT GET INTO DETAILS ABOUT WHAT HE HAS SAID ABOUT HER. HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT A FEW MORE MEMEBERS OF THE CHURCH.. SO DNT GIVE ME THIS BULLSHIT THAT DAVILA DNT TALK ABOUT PPL. HES IS THILE BIGGIST GOSSIPER IN EL MIRAGE SURPRISE AND PHOENIX.. AS A MATTER OF FACT HE INVENTED GOSSIP. SO ALL THIS NICE SHIT U SAID ABOUT PERV DAVILA ITS BULLSHIT GET UR STORY STRAIGHT BEFORE POSTING OB A ARTICLE THATS ABOUT U. IN FACT HE GAVE ME A RIDE ONE DAY AND HE PASSED BY A FORMER MEMBERS HOUSE THAT DIDNT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM.. HE IS A HYPOCRITE A LIAR AND HES THE SON OF SATAN.. I TELL U I WAS BLINDED BY U DAVILA BUT THANK GOD I OPENED MY EYES.. AND AS FOR DONNA AND ROD.. THEY ARE VERY KIND PPL THAT WENT OUT OF THERE WAY TO HELP CAMINO AL CIELO AND U RUINED IT.. AND LINDA SHE WAS JUST DEFENDING HER DAUGHTER FROM A MONSTER LIKE U. AND LUPE BE A MAN A DEAL WITH IT UR CAUGHT AND U CANT LIE ANYMORE.

robert_graham
robert_graham

This is not surprising being he is Hispanic.  His demeanor reeks thief.

jester.jackson
jester.jackson

When Davila gets to heaven this is what you'll hear:

" Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." 

smith_brad22
smith_brad22

Listen to all you that only know one side of the story,

I have know Mr. Davila and his family for a long time.  He has never shown these types of characteristics that these people are stating.  He has been my long time friend and he has never treated anyone wrong.  You people need to stop commenting on this completely one sided story.  I have heard directly from him throughout the years and he has shared a lot of the evil and hate that the Donna and Rod Hennig have given to him and the how they have formed his group of evil followers to get back at the Pastor because he refused to allow them to hate on children and lay down their law and discipline to the children at the church.  Don't let The Hennig's photos fool you all, theya re wolves dressed up in sheep clothing.  Why would a Christian person go this far to bring someone down and not do what Jesus did throughout his ministry, which was to forgive people.  Why are the not following biblical teachings as to how to talk with someone and have not read in the bible where a born again Christian person is to spread lies and hate with the media and a reporter who is a Jevoah Witness.  He has not stolen anything from anyone, in fact the has give his own money to help anyone that he can.  This girl Alyson Kleiner, should really step up and be an adult for once and quit hiding from the truth and her mother.  I heard numerous times while with Mr. Davila how much she loved him and that she wanted to be with him no matter how much her mom hated Mr. Davila since the day that Mr. Davila kicked her mother (Linda Kleiner) out the learning center for physically assaulting a child and threatening to hurt the child real bad.  Alyson Kleiner also told Mr Davila about her sexual molestation as a little girl by an immediate family member and the mother just kept her hushed up.  I was with Mr. Davila when Alyson Kleiner stated so many things to him with fear and tears as to her life due to her mother.  Alyson needs to tell the truth as to her love for him and that is why she broke a order of harassment that Mr. Davila had against her and her mother.  I heard Alyson tell Mr. Davila that she hated her mother and tha her mother made her file against him and threatened her to do it.  This reporter did not write about this because she is good buddies with Linda Kleiner.

It is funny how know the Hennig's are good friends with the Kleiners and this reporter, when prior to this Donna Hennig hated Alyson and even incourage  her to abort her pregnancy, she called her first daughter crazy and Autistic and called Alyson a slut.  As to this donations, I have donated prior to any of these people that are even so called a Pastor to get into mud slinging like this, is this what they teach at their church, is this what the bible says?  This is a bad and completely one side event and it is not fair towards Mr. Davila.  He will not speak to anyone about what he knows about all of these people involved because he is not that kind of person to hold grudges and harbor hate in his soul.  It is clearly evident that these wolves dressed up in sheep clothing are devil followers and oh Donna is believes she is the Blessed Virgin Mary and she has been done wrong by him.  Get a life you crazy old and hateful liar.  Oh by the way this other woman that has an order against Mr. Davila, a Melissa Iceazaga, I did a little research on her, check her out on mug shot .com and she is no angel and certainly not an honest person. 

Maybe my friend is not perfect and Holy like God, but he is not this person you people say he is and he has given his life to help others especially those that he loves.  I am fortunate to have him in my life and my family is blessed by his friendship.  Don't give up Lupe, tell  us what you know one day and let those that hate you be punished by God the only one that has the authority to Judge.

Patriarchy_works
Patriarchy_works

Now dawhiteman will pay for the investigation, trial, translators etc. 

Getem
Getem

Thank you Monica Alonzo for writing this story. To many newspapers are afraid of not being politically correct when it comes to religion. Thank you for writing about a crook and scam artist who has been pretending to be a preacher. This is not about religion it is about GUADALUPE DAVILA JR date of birth 3/24/1966 as seen on his MUG SHOT. People of the world beware if you see this man and he is asking you for money, hide your wallet and run for your life, for he is the type that will suck the life out of you if he could. If there are any parents who have children going to this learning center please protect your children and keep them away from him . THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU MONICA

Luped-duped2013
Luped-duped2013

People ask, "how can this have happened?"  Well, from the news article about his arrest, and conviction for stealing money, the account (Goodyear police, Davila) said, in part, "As a narc cop.....Guadalupe Davila was know as one of the best..... the kind of person you could trust.....", and, "He was described as being able to switch gears at a moments notice......"  So his natural instincts, and training, made him a master at presenting himself completely differently than he actually was.  We were duped, or that is, Luped, along with dozens and dozens of others, some to this day. Some were even other pastors, holding doctorate degrees. He did, and continues, to tell stories, and reinvent his life.  And, as charismatic, and personable as he is, people still follow him today.  As one volunteer said after listening to him after he was released from jail, "I was astounded, if there was that kool aid mix there, they would have blindly followed, and had  a drink.  Some, today, still turn away from truth, and continue to follow him.  They do not seem to think about the fact that all 20 of the dedicated, caring volunteers pulled away when they found out how deep and sinister is his depravity.  And, also, after his release, he claimed, "I have done nothing wrong, but I will step down as pastor, and I am meeting with 3 counselors, and a therapist."  Those that stayed with him never questioned this statement.  What was uncovered was that he was, and is, it is all about him.  Whether with the women he takes advantage of, or the money he goes after, he exhibits the same characteristic:  he uses everyone til they are of no further use, then kicks them out of the church, or forces them out, and slanders them.  Until the volunteers came he was always able to "control" his fiefdom, by putting the children out front, as a distraction to what he is really about.  Even when the volunteers left, he caused a letter to go out saying that he never "asked anyone to donate, time, or money."  I guess he feels it is ok to fleece you if he did not "ask", but only mentioned that he needed money, over, and over, til you would volunteer; for tires, for backflow classes, for lawyer fees, to buy landscape equipment, so he could start a business.  He knew, that if he let it be known he needed money, and did not ask, any wrongdoing would not be a felony, but a misdemeanor.  Oh, he did start a landscape business in 2003, and it is in current status today.  He used this "starting a landscape business" scam over, and over again, as recently, as the DAY BEFORE he was arrested.  Unfortunately, when he tells people he is an ASU grad, or master gardener, that is not true. His work is shoddy, and for some who gave him money up front, the work was either barely started, or not done at all.  The letter that was sent out also said to leave him, and the church alone. Of course, he has always been good at covering up the truth, or cutting off any further investigations.  It had worked for years.  He had been able to keep people from talking to others about what he was doing.  One church member left, saying, he was lying, but who would believe me, who do I tell?  That was in 2009.  Today, he continues to try to do the same old scams, lies, harassment, and threats.  He even threatened someone who was on the way to face him in court. 


On Sunday he preaches the word, but the rest of the time he goes back to his life of lies, and scams.  So, why did people believe him?  I have been told that the Devil(a) knows the Word as well as any Christian.  I had never seen it before, so I had no experience that would warn me of the cons that are out there.  To that person that asked, "who will believe me?", I do, and I hope others will when they uncover the lies, and deception this man has spread.  And, even the people around the church, in El Mirage, he looks down on, and gossips about, many who still follow him.  For him, it is not about caring, it is about using anyone for his gain.  What is unclear to this day:  he still admits to no wrongdoing, but only thinks people are out to get him.  It is always someone else, not him.  He is in denial.  So, how does a person like this sleep at night?  Perhaps, looking at his mug shot gives a clue:  Laughing at those who he takes in, and who he thinks cannot stop him.  He sees them as dumb, ready for the picking; not the true, caring, involved people, who unlike him were really there for the children.   What a great gig:  act as a pastor (now de-ordained) collect money, control it, and everything else by talking a lot. Watch the money come in. Sure beats working for a living.  The sad part:  when he was arrested on March 21, the church, and the learning center were growing, more volunteers, and help was coming, and everything was on an upward spiral.  But, Lupe Davila, caused everything to spiral down.  So sad.  We pray that there can only be positive story coming from all this bad.  Hopefully, soon.

johnjr
johnjr

I can't believe I know this dude. I was sentenced to classes for a fight I got into with my girlfriend. He was in my class. He trashed talked the girl that he was arrested for harassing . He used the word fuck as every other word. Then he turned on another woman who was in the class. He started to scream at her that she was friends with his former girlfriend and got into her face. He was taken into another room and we hear that he has to go to another site. He was scary, his anger was uncontrolled. I was shocked to find out he was a pastor. Man if he is a man of god then the rest of us have no hope. After seeing him I have decided that I need to be a better person. I hope that he gets his due and that the old people he took money from get it back.  



trickednomore
trickednomore

I looked at the mug shot of Guadalupe Davila and I remember him from Casino Arizona. I go there a lot and have sat next to him for many hours. He told me he had a very successful landscaping company in Scottsdale. I always commented that he put hundreds of dollars into the machine. He told me he was rich and that he loved spending his money. He said it relaxed him after a hard day. He was always wanting to bet me he could get any pretty girl to sleep with him. He never left alone. I was shocked to read the story and to find out this guy was a pastor. Thinking about it now, no wonder he didn't care about losing thousands of dollars. It turns out that it wasn't his money that he was losing! 

therealtruth
therealtruth

This story is just the tip of the ice berg. Devila had many money grabbing stories going. One is that he would dive up to peoples houses with a "flat" tire. He would tell the people that he has been praying to Jesus for a new set of tires. Wanting to have their "Pastor" driving in a safe truck to visit the poor sick children dying from cancer they forked over $800.00. The only trouble is that within a month he pulled the same story and received $800.00 from 4 different people. That's 16 new tires in a month or $3,200.00 in his pocket, or shall I say in the slot machines across the valley. HEY DEVILA BE A MAN AND GIVE THE PEOPLE BACK THEIR MONEY. People look at the slide show so you can see his mug shot

OATHKEEPER1958
OATHKEEPER1958

THIS PASTOR GOT AWAY WITH ALOT OF BULL CRAP THAT I'M SURE THE LORD IS LOOKIN' DOWN RIGHT NOW AND WILL SEND THIS BOHEMIAN GROVE LIAR TO HELL!!!!   HE AIN'T NO PEOPLE OF GOD, HE'S A PERSON OF THE DEVIL.  YALL NEED TO WAKE UP SHEEPLE.

car_del99
car_del99

I should be a pastor and fleece all this idiots...I mean , help them, Part with their money..err.... I mean part with their sins....

car_del99
car_del99

Going to church is like , writing a letter to someone, give it  to somebody else to deliver it ,

and having the one you're writing to , next to you..

Going to church is like  buying a book .  and instead of reading it  , you wait  for the movie to come out...

What the hell can you learn in any church , that you can not learn on your own by reading the book ?..Are you THAT STUPID that you need somebody else to read it to you ?

yourproductsucks
yourproductsucks

Who cares about El Mirage?  It's a cesspool on the West Side.  Things like this are par for the course in that sleepy lil town of convicts, tweekers and car thieves.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Gullible Superstitious Imbeciles DESERVE to be Swindled.

Insha'allah!

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

It is well known now that the human brain is the source of the feeling of enlightenment.  It is our own brain's chemicals which are stimulated by certain activities which cause this feeling of having "god" present in our lives.  Please people, as soon as you realize this you will stop giving money to charlatans who sell you own body's chemicals back to you.  If a person wants to engage in a religious experience and looks outside themselves for it, they are a fool - this has been scientifically proven and no longer is in the realm of superstition.  Please folks, get a grip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotheology

thegeek56
thegeek56

They call it their flock because it is ripe for being fleeced.

thegeek56
thegeek56

Call yourself a preacher and the sheep will follow.

thegeek56
thegeek56

Call yourself a preacher and the sheep will follow.

arizonacitizen
arizonacitizen

I hope all the people and businesses that were taken by this crook will file police reports. This snake needs to spend some more time in jail. Hopefully he will realize that his cover is blown and he will move on. It is bad enough to take advantage of senior citizens, but to do it in the name of Jesus is so low he needs a ladder to get to ground level. I hope if he has any church members left that they will run as fast as they can away from his claws. This is not a made up story by people who are evil and hatters, these are facts that are backed up by e -mails, texts, and bank statements. All he has is his big mouth!


jeanjb
jeanjb

40 years ago, my mom ran off with a Baptist preacher from Maricopa just as phony as this guy,and almost the same story,except he left a wife from japan that didn't speak much English,and three young boys(the bastard!)....seems to be that the two most trusted people in the world,clergy and parents are neither!

I wonder if god............................

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

The "last year or two, at Camino al Cielo, it was all about the pastor — him, him, him. Nothing biblical, and we weren't getting anything out of it."

Of course you got something out of it, AN EDUCATION.

 

jzzl
jzzl

your an idiot lupe. brad smith is probably a comment straight from lupe davila jr. "never shown these types of characteristics", i easily dissagree. you have pleaded guilty now twice in court so yeah its part of your character to do all these awfull this things writen about you. another story about you that verifies your character, when this liar was a cop in jerome, he took a week off to go to the "police olympics in california". he was actually at his moms house all week. he had a boxing trophy made the plaque said "1st place boxing, police olympics". he appeared in the jerome paper with the trophy he had made. what a creep! lupe davila jr/brad smith they are LIARS.

formy_ck
formy_ck

@yourproductsucks , I hope you have an event that humbles you. And no I don't live there. I am middle class, with a college education but I have enough tact and compassion to know not everyone who lives there lives there by choice. It may be bad but I not so secretly hope your car is stolen or your house is broken into so you can learn compassion. 

arizonacitizen
arizonacitizen

You didn't get the story, this has nothing to do with El Mirage. This is about a scum bag who used people through Jesus. It was the citizens of El Mirage who brought the bad doings of Guadalupe Davila to light. He doesn't live in El Mirage he lives in Phoenix. The people who were taken for thousands of dollars do not live in El Mirage, they live all over the country. As a matter of fact reading your blog I am beginning to think that your real name is Guadalupe Davila. It has to be you because that is what you always do, blame someone else and try to divert the attention away from you. To late Davila everyone now knows the truth. 


formy_ck
formy_ck

@DonkeyHotay I hope one day you are a victim. Kind people don't deserve this crap. Your comments do. One day you will get what you deserve. It may surprise you!

rllawren
rllawren

@ExpertShot This event does not disprove the existence of God, it equally supports the Biblical claim that all mankind has an evil nature and is capable of all sorts of evils...But you may want to reconsider the effectiveness of a strategy that uses the pains and betrayals of others as a springboard to promoting your anti-religious views. After all, I could just as equally argue that a true "experience of the presence of God" should produce a chemical reaction which is an equally valid interpretation of the data you use. After all, Chemicals don't speak clearly to our hearts as the living God does...thus there must be more than just chemicals...Come, taste and see for yourself... ExpertShot. Praying for you...

victmized
victmized

I was on of the people that was being threatened and garrassed by this animal... He is very evil i just pray that he gets the help that he needs and that the rest of the member will open there eyes like i did.... He is nasty. Calling a merried women at 12 to tell her he was sleeping NAKED really.. i had to even get a order of protection against this guy.. thank God i go to another church and i love it

formy_ck
formy_ck

@MaskedMagician1967  Using someone's comment for your own agenda is disgusting. I don't even like arpaio but comment on his stories don't hijack others! 

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

@rllawren @ExpertShot Silly straw man argument - My statement does not attempt to disprove the existence of "god" (since you didn't ID your "god", whichever one you were citing).  It may very well be that there is a god and that god created our brains to act in the way in which is does.  However, my argument was against superstition, of which ALL religions which have EVER existed on this Earth are - SUPERSTITION is the anti-god.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@rllawren "This event does not disprove the existence of God"

Which "god" ?

formy_ck
formy_ck

@victmized I am just grateful you know in no way does he represent God. Our Heavenly Father loves you perfectly and would never act in such a reprehensible way. I hope other members of the church don't lose their faith. He will be held accountable for his aggregious actions!

formy_ck
formy_ck

@DonkeyHotay @rllawren  Donkey idiot thinks he is god. Pay him no attention. Pay God real attention. Whether you believe in Him or not you will one day give an account to God of how you have lived your life. It would appear you are void of kindness, charity or love. I sure hope you don't have a wife or children. You may be a sociopath as you fit some of the defining characteristics. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@victmized "I am thankful that God allowed me to get away from this guy"

The same "god" that tossed you to him in the fist place?


victmized
victmized

I am thankful that God allowed me to get away from this guy who constantly threaten and harrassed me.. but i did not let him gwt away with it i faced him n court. Sad that i live right across the street from the church he goes to and everytime i see this thing i get sick to my stomache.. i go to another church where i am happy and where they do preach the real truth.. i have moves on but ita hard cause sometimes i get threats from him thru facebook with the fake accounts that he makes.i pray that the rest of the people that go there will open there eyes and get away from him before ita to late..this thing LUPE DEVILA is sick and needs major intervenrion in a physc ward or jail thats where he belongs. He would call a 9 year old thw b word just because she took him a pair of shorts he left at one of the ex members of the church.. wow a 9 yr old sad very sad.. on did i mention type up a fake paperwith a fake 5013c just to keep getting food from costco yup did it right in front of me and is still gettn away with it cause costco was informed and he ia still reacieving food..

victmized
victmized

Thank you.. i go to a different church now and i am happy.. the sad thing is i live right across the street from that evil guys church

 
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