Some may question the need to carry a loaded gun in a car, an activity that in many states constitutes a serious crime. But it's easy to imagine a scenario in which a gun might come in handy while on the road.

Young father Alexian Lien, who on September 29 was chased for miles on New York City freeways by a vicious motorcycle gang, could have used a handgun with the sort of high-capacity magazine that's now banned in his state. When the gang finally managed to stop Lien's Range Rover behind a throng of traffic, one thug bashed in the driver's-side door with a motorcycle helmet, a viral video of the crime shows. The video mercifully ends before showing what happened next. Lien was pulled from his vehicle, beaten, and slashed in the chest and face with knives — all in front of his horrified wife. He survived.

Most real-life self-defense cases aren't as clear-cut. They don't involve such an obviously mismatched fight, or video evidence.

Southern Meadows Trailer Park in West Phoenix was the site of a fatal shooting in December by Don Purse, who claims he killed Danny Morales in self-defense.
Southern Meadows Trailer Park in West Phoenix was the site of a fatal shooting in December by Don Purse, who claims he killed Danny Morales in self-defense.
David Appleton says he's suffered, too, since the shooting.
David Appleton says he's suffered, too, since the shooting.

According to the Maricopa County Attorney's Office, most self-defense claims aren't really self-defense. They're murders or manslaughters in which the perpetrator tries to claim he or she is innocent. Exhibit A for fake self-defense claims is Jodi Arias, who infamously stabbed her boyfriend 27 times, sliced his neck from ear-to-ear, shot him after he was dead, then claimed self-defense during her trial ("Psycho Killer," March 14). She was convicted in May and, as of late October, still faced a possible death sentence.

You may not have qualms with violent actions like these: On October 6, a security guard caught 22-year-old burglary suspect Aaron Fisher in his Phoenix home and shot and killed him. On January 2, a Phoenix father discovered 35-year-old Jason Floyd Wilson allegedly trying to break into his daughter's bedroom and shot and killed the would-be intruder.

The cases of David Appleton, John Chester Stuart, and Don Purse represent a thinner margin in Arizona self-defense cases, where stand-your-ground laws begin to sound farcical — because the supposed victim is sitting in a two-ton vehicle, armed with a gun, and shooting an unarmed person standing outside.

Yet only one of the three, Stuart, has been criminally charged. He was convicted and faces up to 43 years in prison when he's sentenced in January.

A Maricopa County grand jury refused to indict Appleton earlier this year. And Purse, the owner of a mobile-home park who shot to death one of his former tenants last December, so far has escaped prosecution.

Each of the three shootings was preceded by a confrontation that could've been avoided easily by the gun owner, who claimed he was in fear of his life.

The cases show that for drivers with guns, "no duty to retreat" also may mean no duty to avoid trouble — and, sometimes, may mean no legal consequences.


Southern Meadows Trailer Park is a rough place in a rough neighborhood, though some of the older residents have cheered up their lots with fenced-off gardens or knickknack collections. Trouble of one sort or another is a routine feature of the enclave of roughly 100 mobile homes. The Sheriff's Office was called to the park at 4001 West Southern Avenue about 100 times for various reasons in 2011 and 2012.

The property is one of several similar ventures owned by Scottsdale resident Don Purse Jr. The 71-year-old pays personal attention to his properties, often going to Southern Meadows to help his staff manage the park. On December 11, 2012, while sitting in his pickup truck near the park's entrance, he shot and killed one of his former tenants.

Relatives of the dead man, Daniel Morales, 51, say they're concerned that Purse is getting away with murder, since he still faces no criminal charge.

At some point, the case probably will go before the self-defense review committee that Montgomery set up in his office in late 2010.

Montgomery said at the time of the committee's formation that he wanted to make sure people "exercising their Second Amendment rights" aren't unfairly prosecuted. Yet his panel of veteran prosecutors has given a thumbs-down to most claims of self-defense, the office's statistics show, electing instead to move forward with homicide prosecutions. To date, the committee has reviewed 61 cases. The office moved forward with criminal charges in 33, while four were "furthered," meaning prosecutors asked the referring police agency for additional investigation.

Just 24 of the cases were turned down for prosecution. Montgomery's office declined to release records related to his self-defense committee, including case numbers or any other identifying information about the cases it has reviewed.

Most of the time, an official "turn-down" means that the person claiming self-defense is off the hook. However, because no statute of limitations exists for murder cases, it's possible that some new information could arise in the future and force a re-opening of the case.

Whatever happens in the Purse case, he has two things going for him in his effort to avoid prosecution: The only other witness to the shooting was Morales' girlfriend, and there's physical evidence that Morales may have attacked his former landlord.

The deceased man has supporters, though. Lee Davis, who's married to Morales' sister, has hired a lawyer to review the case, seeking justice in the form of a criminal charge against Purse. He's talked to state Senator Gallardo a couple of times about the case and its relevance to the stand-your-ground debate. In an e-mail he sent Gallardo last month, Davis wrote that a detective had told him no decision had been made in the case, which had yet to be submitted to Montgomery's is office for review. Davis says detectives had requested a DNA test on "blood splatter" found in Purse's truck. Gallardo has yet to respond to Davis' e-mail.

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hotnpm1958
hotnpm1958

Yes,justice where is it .I like to know too 

hotnpm1958
hotnpm1958

I feel if a story is gonna be told that the story should be told the truth , not get a story then add or take away or lie about it ,or word it  the way it sounds better to them. Wow ! Not even tryin to make a point that an innocent man ,a good ,caring man was shot and killed by don for no reason, and looks like he's getting away with murder not only the fact that he murdered a man, but held a gun threathened to shoot the girlfriend if she didn't turn the car off ,when only she wanted to take him to the hospital "TO SAVE HIS LIVE"  why wasn't that mentioned ?  There was no reason for Daniel Morales to have his life taken , an altercation ,yes which was started by an evil minded monster Don Purse Jr. he stopped us from leaving quietly and blocked us off  Daniel put  the car in park got out walked over to where Don was sitting with his truck door opened with his mirror running ,at that , they were struggling with the gun as I got out of the car passed the driver door that daniel left open I seen daniel left elbow hit sons right hand that he held the gun ,on shot fired missed Danny  I crossed tried to scream please don't shoot him , but I couldn't no mattered how hard I tried to say it when I saw don bring the gun put it to Danny stomach  Don Purse Jr. Shot and killed Danny . The truth there it is ..why hasn't any charges been brought against let alone not even incarcerated ?  

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

      So, where's the justification to believe, that,  a lieyer, who lies, cheats and steals, for a "pro-fession,"  is, telling the truth; especially, given his track record, of, previous, roadrages...???           I do notice, the comments, about believing the lieyer, have, dried up, but, I'll bet, the DA, will still, aid and abet the, ,roadrager.             Maybe, with lieyers, spinning their tales, they can just, shoot anybody, who disagrees with them.            Then we won't need courts, and, juries, and, of course; brain dead judges.. . After all, then, we'll only need the lieyers' word,  for, population control.   Also, where's the picture of the lieyer ???                             So, what are you, men, or, mice; squeek up..???... Edgar...

sirandyinga
sirandyinga

It was OK for Cordell Jude to sit in a car and shoot someone because he is black.

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

My message, is long and, rambling, as, adjudicated, by another, third grade, Nobel laureate, of course, without explanation, as to, what, non basis, such, judgement, has, not, been, long and rambling enough, to, explain...   Edgrrr...

_McShyster_
_McShyster_

 *** Gun Coward Shoots Teenage Girl Seeking Help ***

DEARBORN HEIGHTS, Mich. -- It was shortly before 1 a.m. Nov. 2 and Renisha McBride was involved in an accident with a parked vehicle in Detroit.

More than two hours later and six blocks away, she was shot in the face by a man who told police he thought someone was breaking into his Dearborn Heights home. The 54-year-old homeowner, according to police, said his 12-gauge shotgun discharged accidentally.


drdarrow
drdarrow

The legality of "loaded" guns, combined with the screwy burden of proof provisions seen to be why this goes over the edge. It's a recipe for carnage, given the attitudes and emotional state of most of the people on the roads these days. If it's illegal to have the gun in your car loaded, it will cut down on this. People will still do it, but it will discourage much of it. When there's no time to load the firearm, fewer of these confrontations will end in death for one of the combatants.

loaded firearms in vehicles was strict prohibited when I lived in Wyoming, almost a more ardent gun culture than ours. (It may be legal now, I have no Idea.) Almost all of the folks I knew were armed, but frowned on this almost as much as they frowned on firing across a deserted highway, which, surprisingly, was held in great contempt. 

olsonandko
olsonandko

The instant you stick your hand into the car of another person, you have violated the personal space of that person.  It is no different than a home invasion.  Pearson committed suicide.


edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

And, if, it was not the intent of the lieyer, to play, judge and, jury, he would have had a Smith and Wesson sticker on his car window, and, had the window, rolled up... and, waved his gun, around, to show, that,   HE COULD DEFEND HIMSELF, SO, IF, BEING A LIEYER, ABOVE THE LAW, WAS NOT, HIS INTENT, THEN, WHY DID HE CONTINUE, GOADING THE GUY, IF NOT, BECAUSE OF HIS OBVIOUS, INTENT; AS IN, THE FACTS, SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES; PROOF OF WHICH, COULD BE DETERMINED, AT LEAST AS TO INTENT TO COVER UP, LIEYER, CULPABILITY...  AND, THAT, REQUIRES NO PSYCHIC, REMOTE VIEWING.  DNA, SHOULD, PROVE, WHO, BROKE A FINGERNAIL, AND, WHO, TORE AT THE SHIRT; TO, IN MY ESTIMATE, BASED UPON THE LIZARDS AT LAW, CLUB, COVERING FOR, ONE OF THEIR CHAMELEONS, show, that, if, the lieyer, staged his own defense, by breaking his own nail, and, tore at his own shirt; that, of, his intent, by his own, coverup,  as to his motive, or, not...  No investigation, when techniqwues, exist, tacitly proves, that the lieyers, are above the law, and, the hell with us; to which, I take serious exception; for, I believe we should kill, all the lieyers; and, in any such soap operas, automatically, deem the lieyer, to be the criminal; who, just like us, is, guilty, until, proven, otherwise...   AND, AS TO THE SNIDE REMARK, THAT i MUST THINK, i'M PSYCHIC; HARDLY, WITH MORE THAN ENOUGH FACTS TO WARRANT, AN INVESTIGATION; go ahead, and, add up the answers, opf the "psychics."  I say, the lieyer, deliberately goaded the man, with, intent, to do, what, got done, and, that, homicidal, moron, is, no posterchild, for, our, Second Amendment... and, should be tried, in a court of law, if, such a court, can be found...  Edgrrr...   

MGM5
MGM5

I think the bottom line here is that had a gun not been involved there might have been a fistfight but chances are nobody would have died. We know by his record that Appleton was prone to road rage. He might have been a little meeker, a little less aggressive behind the wheel had he not been armed. He might not have pulled over and everyone gets home for dinner. Road rage is a bad idea but it's a constant in todays frazzled America. In a car we're semi anonymous, which leads to an inflated sense of power and ego in some of us. But you never know who you're dealing with when you flip someone the bird. I'm not suggesting victimhood here, just common sense.     

lennygarbo
lennygarbo

The years are taking a toll on my memory, but I think I might've shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

tom_stratford
tom_stratford

Here in Florida, you reach into an occupied vehicle and assault the driver/occupant you commit a felony assault, which at least here is defendable by the use of deadly force...CASE CLOSED!

speedbaser
speedbaser

At least get your facts straight about Trayvon Martin. It was not Arizona ice tea, it was Arizona watermelon juice drink & Skittles, which when combined with cough syrup make a ghetto drug concoction known as DXM. As for Trayvon's attack on Zimmerman, the testimony on the stand by his friend Rachael Jeantel, who was on the phone with him at the time, tells us all we need to know. She told him to go inside his dad's place he was standing outside of, but he doubled back because he believed he was going to jump from behind & attack an unarmed gay man, AKA "creepy asscracker". You know that an asscracker is a gay man, don't you?

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@_McShyster_ Nervous folks should not have hair trigger, guns.  The hair and, trigger, belongs on and in your head...   Edgrrr...

sirandyinga
sirandyinga

@_McShyster_ Why did she leave the scene twice after people called 911? What was she doing for 2 hours after the accident?


edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@drdarrow       All homes and cars should have, decals, that,  the owners, belong to the "Russian Roulette, Club,"  so that, deathwishers, picking fights, can guess, which house, or, car, carries the bullet, with their name on it...       That should, knock off the roadragers...       Edgrrr...            Hard to believe that, gunshops, are not, selling such, placards... and, decals...  Great, advertising...  Walther, PPKS Club...

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@drdarrow  

There are hundreds of thousands of responsible gun owners driving with loaded guns every day.   There are a few crazy people who shoot people for no reason, and they are almost entirely from that same group that would ignore the law, but there are statistically MORE people who avoid becoming victims because they have the legal means to protect themselves.  The police cannot, and legally have no responsibility to, protect you from  violent criminals.  They take the report and try to catch the bad guy so he won't do it again.

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

               We know nothing, and, are expected to take a lieyers' word, for, it ???  What turnip truck did you, fall, out of ???  There's no way, the killer, would get free, of a wrist hold, by, a rodeo, rider.  Have you seen them, hang onto the reins, with, just one, hand, atop a bucking, 2,000 pound, bull ???  And, you believe, the lieyers' alibi; considering, his subliminal confession, as to how big, the hand was, that, spanned his neck, allegedly; another, lie, as evidenced, by, the cop, who stated, there were, no marks, on the lieyers' neck... what, about, marks, on his wrists, from the steel grip, of a rodeo rider...???   Then, there's your flaky D.A. who conceals, exculpatory evidence, as well as, damning, evidence, to, get to preconcieved, results; laundering, lieyers' above the law, criminalities... and, ditto, brain dead judges, without, whose, complicities, laws, would not be twisted, and, juries, wouldn't be stacked, to, arrive at prejudicial, conclusions... slam dunks, even, before, any trials...  Who needs a court of law, when lieyers, can, investigate, themselves...???   Edgrrr...

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@olsonandko   Eating too many turnips ???   personal space, did not exist, with an invitational, open window, and, a goading, lieyer, salivating, over, getting to murder, someone, in cold blood; after, setting up the soap opera, in the first place; as proven, by the fact, that, the deceased, could, have turned off, ...   Surely, others, who've been goaded, by  that lieyer, have come forward, with, their, experiences, with the killer, but, of course, there'll be no guarantee, that organized crime at law, wouldn't conceal, that...   Edgrrr...  And, how, would the deceased, grab the guys wrist, unless, the arm was extended, and, not, in his lap ???   Edgrrr...

marmy
marmy

@edgarlongenecker you completely ruined the comments section of this tripe of an article. You obviously don't make a living doing something that requires minimally competent reading or composition skills.

lpnerd
lpnerd

@edgarlongenecker I don't think you have enough commas in your post. Why don't you add a few more for good measure? lmao

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@MGM5    No,,,, if ,,, there had not been a gun involved, pencilneck, wouldn't, have incited the guy to, riot... in the first place...  Why, has the victims picture been posted, whi;le, the lieyers' picture, has been conceal;ed; guilty conscience; as if, lieyers, have a conscience...???   Edgrrr...  Too bad, the thought police, let  lieyers, carry guns,

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@tom_stratford    If, in point of fact, the guy, actually, did, what, youse guys, accept, as, gospel, coming from a lieyer, no less, and, of, course, that returns, this soapopera, back, to, the need for a, competent, investigation, as, I, previously, stated; especially, considering, thsat, as the cop, noted, there was no, neck marks, to, verify, the lieyers' story...  No mention, of course, ditto, on the mans' wrist, and, DNA results, on, the socalled, grabbed, and, pulled, shirt, and, of course, the guys,' DNA, on the fingernail, and, where,  the fingernail, gouged the guy, hard, enough, to, break off, the nail,,, and, draw, the guys' blood; or,,, not......   Competent, forensics, should, piece together, this, cold blooded, murder,,,, in,,,, Arizona...   Edgrrr...   Now, whine about, punkchewation.... to, evade, the, facts; concealed, by, the bar association, laundry, of/for, lizards at law; above the law.... 

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@tom_stratford  Negative.... Force, with, equal, force...  which, had the lieyer,  waved his gun to show, that, he had  intent to goad the guy, and, was ready to do, mayhem, then, of course, the guy, would have backed off, or, brandished his own gun, if, he had one; and, while that wouldn't have been, all that, socially desirable, it, would have been an equal match; not, a cold blooded, lieyer, execution; as evidenced, by the concealmentv of the gun, until, preconceived, parameters, were, set up, by the lieyer, who, did what he did, because, he, orchestrated, all of it, and, had a gun, with which to get hiis sleazy  ass, out of the sling, he set up for his victim; whom, he killed, in cold blood; when, with force, meeting force; without,  his attitude, he could have fired, if need be, into the offending arm, instead of a center body, intent to kill, shot...  About twenty years, in the joint, will be, appropriate, considering, he'd probably, only have to do, a month or, two,  before, the guys, paroled,  him.........   Edgar...

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@speedbaser   Come on; who cares, if, it was panther piss, he was drinking, when jumped, and, the buttwrenching, analysis, are,  a lame excuse, for, goading, with, intent to kill, and, contradicts, any danger, to Zimmerman;...  The truth be known that, govern   mentals, "letting,"  murder, in our streets, is for the greater, bad, of, outlawing, the Second Amendment... upon which, all rights, will, fall...    Edgrrr...

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@edgarlongenecker  

FYI, I have to stop reading your rants as soon as I come to the invented word "lieyer", which you seem to include near the beginning of each message.  If you want to communicate, learn to spell at a 3rd grade level.

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@sonick55 @McShyster   Lieyers, are determined criminals, and, this one is, getting away with, cold blooded, murder...  thanks, to, hiding behind the Second amendment...   Edgrrr

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@marmy @edgarlongenecker    Smarmy, "tripe of an  article,"  you claim, plus, contradictorially, enough, I've ruined, so, what, are you whining, about ???   If, it's tripe, why shouldn't it be ruined ?   And, since your evasion, is, tripe, it's great that this site, prints, comments, like mine, to, see to it that, evasions, regarding, lieyer, doublespeak, doesn't erode, due process, by, convoluting, the English language, to make lizards at law, appear credible, with, such limited, and, minimally, competent reading, or, composition, skills; as such; your, confession, of, lieyer, antics at law...  Hereafter, try not to define, anything, by lieyer, doubletalk;  that, only, shows, your, ignorance, and, contempt, for, the rule of, law...  which, apply to, lieyers, trying to get away, with, murder,; evaded, because,  the likes of you, pander to lizards at law, unconcerned, that a real person, just got, executed, and, boot lickers, like yourself, opt, to, negate the facts, yet, to be, determined, by, adequate, forensics, therefore, it is your delusion that this site, is, tripe,as, this, site, even lets' people like you, sit, in, judgement....  and, smarmy comments, like yours, do not change the facts; which, we, only, have, a lizard at laws' word, for; and, of, course those who haven't yet, learned that lieyers, lie, for a living; duping,  the likes, of,  those, smarmy guys... as proven, when, their lips are moving...   Edgrrr... 

speedbaser
speedbaser

@ray.stern @speedbaser

 The case got more complicated once more facts came out that were related to why TM wasn't in jail.

http://spectator.org/blog/54312/how-miami-school-crime-cover-policy-led-trayvon-martins-death

 Then there was the attempted frame up of GZ by prosecutor Angela Corey, trying to destroy evidence that would have resulted in the trial never happening. At least the whistle blower had the morals to report her, & the grand jury had enough sense to indict her.

 http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20130702-905033.html

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@valleynative @edgarlongenecker  And, you are so compelled, because the automatic pilot, in your head, doesn't like, my freedom of speech, and, you, being such a prejudicial, blueblood, can't lower your sleazy self, to, stay on point, regarding the cold blooded murder, whose duisposition, I, find fault with, and, you're too regal, to lower yourself, to, address; as, opposed to, whining, about, being, so compelled to stop reading....because, you don't like, my interpretation of, lizards at law; as in, lieyers...???   Good for you, you really should get your sleazy ass, off, of it, and, go get a job....   and, fyi, all, words, are, invented; especially, all those, defining, pinheads, not, unlike yourself..   When you get past your third grade, maybe, a lieyer, execution, in our streets, will be of some concern, and, be more important, than, your opinion...   Edgrrr...  If, you stop reading my rants, when you read, lieyer, which, I include, near the beginning, of each, message, how, then, do you identify, the message as a rant ?   You must be another, "society," blueblood, inbred, misfit, to, be, so privileged, that, you can pass on any writing, after, admitting that, you "have to," stop reading it... whut's yer name; Peeloosely....???   Grrr... 

sonick55
sonick55

@McShyster 
 mmmm, not so much really. I can see how it would seem so.  Just like anything you are well familiar with, it's like putting your wallet in your pocket or your watch on your wrist. Sure, it comes with special safety rules, but those become reflexive as well.  I live from the heart, i escaped anxiety and ego long ago :)

edgarlongenecker
edgarlongenecker

@olsonandko @edgarlongenecker @tom_stratford    The lieyer, knew that, if, it's so, and, goaded the guy, with, intent to kill; as you claim; within, the law...   while.... concealing,  his gun, until, he excercised, the idea, that, there's no equal force, requirement...in, Arizona....  Don't pat, anybody, on the shoulder, in Arizona, or, try to defend yourself, in Arizona.... He could have shot him in the arm, leg, or, shoulder, or, instead, of , that, just, brandished, a weapon; that is, if,  he didn't have intent to goad the guy, so, he could commit, murder, and, according to your explanation; get away with, it...  The facts, speak for themselves... from, the results, back down, to, the intent....  Fry the lieyer, for his, knowledge of, the law; there, in, Arizona....  while, Arizona, is trying to murder, Jodi Arias, for, allegedly. defending, herself; making, for sure, no equal protection, under the law, in, Arizona...    And, if, the lieyer, had, no such, intent, after goading the guy, why, did,  he, lead him, to, wherever [his own house], and, stop, with, his window, down; inviting, an enraged, person, he was guilty, of, programming, if, he had, no, such, intent...  so, as, to, commit, murder... ???    Knowledge, of, the law, is, no, excuse....anymore, than, ignorance,of, the law, is...   According to, your, observation, those who know, the law, can, commit, murder... in... Arizona....  Tell that to the dead mans'   family, and, friends, just before, the, lieyer, gets, a pat on the bac\k...   Edgrrr...

 
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