The Power of Negative Capability: The Urinals in the 21st Century

When one thinks of legendary punk rock venues where great bands got their start, folks usually think of CBGB in New York, or the Masque in Hollywood, or the 100 Club in London. Dykstra Hall, a dormitory on the UCLA campus? Not so much.

But Dykstra Hall does have one claim to fame — it was the place where one of Southern California's most original and enduring punk rock bands got its start. The Urinals were three Dykstra residents who made their debut at a dorm talent show in 1978 and went on to release a handful of singles that opened ears around the world with their harsh, minimal attack, surreal lyrics, and performances that made a virtue of the group's lack of experience. The Urinals made a major impact on the Minutemen, who covered their song "Ack Ack Ack Ack," and Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo, and the Butthole Surfers are just three of the bands that have cited them as a favorite and an influence.

Unlike many of their peers who made a point of learning in public, the Urinals are still at it, an ongoing experiment in rock 'n' roll that original members John Talley-Jones (bass and vocals) and Kevin Barrett (drums and vocals) still find compelling more than 35 years after their first tongue-in-cheek performance. The Urinals have a new album in the works (their first since 2003) and are hitting the road for a handful of shows, including an appearance in Tempe.

The Urinals: A long way from UCLA but a long way from over.
The Urinals: A long way from UCLA but a long way from over.

Location Info


Double Nickels Record Collective

45 W. Southern Ave.
Tempe, AZ 85282

Category: Retail

Region: Tempe


The Urinals are scheduled to perform Saturday, February 22, at Double Nickels Collective in Tempe.

According to Talley-Jones, the group's witty and articulate frontman, the group started out as a parody of punk, created by fans who were too clumsy to pull off the real thing at first. "We had ideas, not necessarily about how to play, but ideas about what kind of music we could make without necessarily having the chops," Talley-Jones says via phone. "And, of course, that's what we pursued. We decided, 'Well, even though we don't know what we're doing, we can still do something kind of interesting.' And that was just the flashpoint for what followed."

For the Urinals' 1978 debut, the group had a five-piece lineup, with Talley-Jones and Barrett joined by Kjehl Johansen on a toy keyboard, Steve Willard on guitar, and Delia Frankel on vocals. To their surprise, the ad hoc band got a positive reception when they played a dorm-wide talent show in the Dykstra cafeteria.

"The audience was really amused by it," Talley-Jones says. "They thought it was pretty great, pretty funny. It was sort of performance art; we were dressed up, we were wearing funny sunglasses, all that kind of stuff. But there was another band on the bill. They were jazz musicians — they were a four-piece and three of them were just livid! They absolutely hated us. I think they felt they were being made fun of. It was a slap in their face!"

Of course, Talley-Jones wasn't above a little musical face-slapping in those days. Already a man of discerning tastes before punk reached his ears — he was fond of groundbreaking Krautrock bands like Can and Neu and offbeat progressive acts such as Soft Machine — he was no fan of what most of his fellow dorm rats were embracing.

"I was living in the dorm at the time, and everyone listened to [local] FM stations — all Steve Miller Band, Foreigner, Kansas, Journey," Talley-Jones says. "I thought it was so empty. That music was just so meaningless — it sounded really nice and shiny and had lots of different parts, but there didn't seem to be any soul to it. There was a hunger, at least at my level, for something that actually said something, that expressed an emotion other than wanting to get stoned."

Willard and Frankel soon bailed on the Urinals, but after Talley-Jones spent $60 on a used bass, he was committed to the cause. With Johansen on guitar and Barrett on drums, the band started playing more shows on campus, and when they debuted their three-piece lineup, they gained a valuable ally. Vitus Matare of L.A. pop-wise punks the Last was on hand for the show ("Vitus knew someone in the dorm . . . a couple of women, I think"), and he was knocked out by what he saw.

"We were making this horrific racket. We were banging on one chord for minutes at a time or something, and he really appreciated the energy," Talley-Jones says. "So he just said, 'Oh, you know, we should [make] a record.' And we thought, 'What?!? [Laughs] Are you serious?' 'Oh, yeah! You guys sounded really interesting, really good!' 'Uh, okay! Let's do it!'"

The Urinals' debut EP, a four-song seven-inch, was recorded in the poolhouse at Matare's parents' home and was a purposefully crude affair, recorded on a four-track reel-to-reel using what used to be an underwater microphone. "I had peculiar ideas about what it should sound like," Talley-Jones says. "I didn't really want any sort of enhancements to the raw sound. And as a result, it sounds very thin and click-y. We just wanted it recorded straight, and Kjehl and I were both playing through the same amp; there was that element of thinness right there."

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