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Dumoudan 09/21/2011 8:01:00 PM
Is this law Racist?
Are the people who agree with this law racist?
Are those who want this law enforced racist?
The law says nothing of little "brown" people but it explains what is illegal entry. It's not very hard to understand. Why is this law "broken"? Why can it be selectively ignored?
Illegal alien includes all people who entered illegally, could be Croation, Russian, Chinese, Irish, Canadians. No one single race or people is referenced in the law.
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
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09/10/2011 5:09:00 PM
Which in turn begs the question- If you would never work as a migrant fruit-picker, would never accept the wages paid a migrant fruitpicker, howinthehell is someone "stealing your job" by working as a migrant fruitpicker"
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09/10/2011 5:06:00 PM
That's probably as relevant to the story (which is about journalistic integrity, not illegal immigration) as most of the asswipe postings on this thread.
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09/10/2011 5:03:00 PM
So you think Amy Silverman is Michael Lacey in drag? Never at a loss for a wacko conspiracy theory, are you?
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09/10/2011 5:02:00 PM
You can't collect social security without a legit social security number. Doofus.
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09/10/2011 4:59:00 PM
"the fact that plain old assimilated USAmerican is no longer acceptable"
No need to speak in code. Call it European-descended White American culture.
I am really tired of European-descended White Americans carrying on like they are discriminated against and put upon. When they put your ass on a reservation like San Carlos or Shiprock, I will pay attention. When they pass a law saying a White counts as 3/5 of a human being, I will pay attention. Until then, you really need to STFU.
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Dumoudan 09/10/2011 4:54:00 PM
Would someone please explain to me how we will decrease unemployment by granting amnesty to some or most of the 12,000,000 people who entered the United States by illegal means?
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09/10/2011 4:50:00 PM
"Weimar here we come! Brown shirts, red shirts, black shirts. . . . "
True enough. The nazis rose to power by scapegoating a minority ethnic group for all of their financial woes. Sound familiar to you? When are you signing up with the National Socialists?
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09/10/2011 4:47:00 PM
In other words, you have just been refuted by none other than Jesus H. Christ and now have nothing to fall back on except your dumbass anti-government soundbites. That, and throwing around the word "traitor."
I normally like sweet mamas who suck, but you are an exception.
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09/10/2011 3:46:00 AM
John Swanson also said . . . in 1775, to the Patriots: "I don't know why ye continue to stay in the colonies if you cannot abide by the law of King George."|
Brain-washed Idiot Troll. Go ahead . . . keep using that "Rule of Law" argument, only try it on King Russell on why he posted "illegal" signs, tries to outguess the intention of the authors of the 14th Amendment, and tries to teach the Arizona Supreme Court how to interpret Arizona Law.
We see right through you and all you other Pearce supporting clowns.
Nothing . . . nothing is going to stop the removal of Russell Pearce from public office. His days are numbered. He is toast.
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09/10/2011 3:41:00 AM
No one gives a shit about the text of the law. It's the aftereffects that are important.
While the world burns, I am sure you will be giving speeches on a soapbox as people run past you and knock you to the sidewalk.
Pearce Robot!
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09/09/2011 1:34:00 PM
It is only Russell Pearce who benefits by the barrage of all these wonderful and supportive comments about SB1070, Rule of Law, "a criminal is a criminal", et al, comments in this thread.
DON'T SUPPORT HIM!
LOOK AWAY FROM ALL THE FALSEHOODS IN THIS THREAD.
THINK FOR YOURSELF . . . NOT RUSSELL PEARCE.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/09/2011 3:03:00 AM
True I am shocked at how effective the socially engineered thought stopping cliche' of racism has permeated so many otherwise seemingly intelligent people, which is why we must continue to present reason as often as we are able. If anyone around here is a paid troll - this is the guy. I agree with your last statement. The states need to get together and secede Washington from the union. Ha ha.
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09/08/2011 2:29:00 PM
Discrimination Suit Against Arizona Sheriff Dismissed
Updated: Tuesday, 30 Aug 2011, 12:27 PM MST
Published : Tuesday, 30 Aug 2011, 7:32 AM MST
PHOENIX - A federal judge has tossed out a lawsuit accusing the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office of discrimination, negligence and abuse during a worksite enforcement raid.
U.S. District Court Judge Stephen McNamee issued a ruling that dismissed the suit on the grounds the Sheriff's Office and county administrators did not know of, participate in or authorize any unconstitutional conduct during the February 2009 raid on a Phoenix landscaping firm.
Celia Alvarez was among the 40 people arrested on suspicion of identity theft and fraud claimed in her lawsuit against the Sheriff's Office that she was subjected to unreasonable search and seizure and was injured by a deputy during the raid.
The judge ruled the defendant could not prove her case.
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09/08/2011 2:00:00 PM
Hoping for a rational intelligent response from this poor excuse for a neanderthal might be the new definition of insanity. All he knows how to do is throw bombs. This discussion has run its course. If this moron is representative of voters in this country, there is not much hope left for the USA as a free and civilized society. What they don't realize is that when you finally succeed in helping to tear down that upon which you relied for your existence, you have nothing left yourself. The pandering politicians and their cohorts are stealing the wealth of this country and leaving ALL of us to fight over the crumbs.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/08/2011 4:45:00 AM
I understand plenty about the law, including that there are bad laws and that in too many cases the word "lawyer" is synonymous with the word "liar." Weimar here we come! Brown shirts, red shirts, black shirts. . . . we are ripe for plucking with trolls like you who have learned 2 $3 words that you think makes you suddenly an authority. Or just because you can cut & paste means you comprehend the full implications. So what do you think of Citizens United? And who will you intend to vote for come '12?
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JesusHChrist 09/07/2011 10:12:00 PM
"Just because it is written in legal language does not make it right."
You mean, "Just because I don't know what the fuck it means, it doesn't mean I'm wrong."
What is it about the law you nativists don't understand?
Everything, apparently.
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JesusHChrist 09/07/2011 10:10:00 PM
You don't have to "believe" it dumbass, it's a matter of law. Stick your head in the sand all you want.
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09/07/2011 9:49:00 PM
If you believe this federal government (you know, the same one that executed Operation Gunrunner as an end run around the Second Amendment and got people on both sides of the border killed?), then you are the biggest jackass here and should just crawl back under the rock you sprouted from and STFU. Asshole. You think this bunch of traitors are doing this for "humanitarian" reasons? They are doing what they always do - buying votes from half-wits who are too blind to see that they are being used! You seriously need your meds now, dear.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/07/2011 6:19:00 PM
Just because it is written in legal language does not make it right. There are plenty of criminal laws and plenty of criminal interpretation and application of laws. They are just covering their globalist butts - that's all. Plenty of examples in recent years of legal opinion written to justify criminality - this is just one of many.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/07/2011 6:12:00 PM
Treason is correct. The insanity of it is that Big Government and Big Business are intent on destroying the tax base that even made them possible - they simply do not need humans anymore for their financial manipulations - cuz they've gone global. Human ideation such as loyalty, empathy, any of the good qualities of humanity are only for little people indulgence as we are poised on the edge of genocide of the USAmerican people. Not drama - people are dying like flies right now from lack of medical care, especially those at the wrong end of life - just for starters. The biggest example I can give contemporarily is the 911 First Responders who are classified as mentally ill in order to deny their medical care and not even allowed to their own memorial ceremony because their presence, with their breathing machines and other medical paraphenalia is an inconvenient truth exposing the lies proving that we are all slaves for the profit of a few. No wonder the prison mentality permeates the culture at large of this nation. No wonder the skulls of our deceased have been decorating the clothing of our youth the last few years - how much of this is created for us and how much is natural outgrowth of the criminal stressors on us as a people, culture, nation? I vote for contrived.
I thought this guy explains fairly well.
"Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult"
http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779
Both parties are guilty as is explained somewhat in the article.
The illegal situation is merely a contemporary contrivance of an old trick used throughout history to destroy nations and is intentional no question, not an unintended consequence of collective greed to the point of stupidity and therefore those who support are correctly called treasonous and I note that I am no longer the only person calling this genocide. The Mexican people calling for war and screaming racism are the lowest common denominator and both intellectually as well as culturally inferior for being willfully unable to recognize the truth - just like a screaming 2 year old throwing a tantrum who needs a spanking. Plenty of Mexican descent citizens ready willing and able to give them that spanking who currently have no voice.
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JesusHChrist 09/07/2011 5:26:00 PM
"If you make a claim, back it up. Where does it exceed federal law?"
LOL. From the same crowd that thinks there's a law saying citizens must carry ID with them at all times.
OK, you dumb fat bitch, here are some excerpts from the federal gubmints lawsuit against 1070. You know, the one that got the stupid thing enjoined?
1) "The mandatory nature of Section 2, in tandem with S.B. 1070’s new or amended
state immigration crimes, directs officers to seek maximum scrutiny of a person’s
immigration status, and mandates the imposition of state criminal penalties for what is
effectively unlawful presence, even in circumstances where the federal government has
decided not to impose such penalties because of federal enforcement priorities or
humanitarian, foreign policy, or other federal interests."
2) "Further, because the federal authorities may not be able to immediately verify lawful presence – and may rarely have information related to stopped U.S. citizens – Section 2 will result in the prolonged detention of lawfully present aliens and United States citizens. Section 2 of S.B. 1070 will therefore impose burdens on lawful immigrants and U.S. citizens alike who are stopped, questioned, or detained and cannot readily prove their immigration or citizenship status, including those individuals who may not have an accepted form of identification because, for example, they are legal minors
without a driver’s license. Arizona’s alien inspection scheme therefore will subject lawful
aliens to the “possibility of inquisitorial practices and police surveillance.""
3) "Section 3 – the enforcement of which S.B. 1070 effectively mandates through
operation of Section 2’s alien inspection and verification regime – demands the arrest and prosecution of all aliens who do not have certain enumerated registration documents. But several classes of aliens who are eligible for humanitarian relief are simply not provided with registration documents while their status is being adjudicated by the federal government, notwithstanding the federal government’s knowledge that these aliens are present in the United States. S.B. 1070 thus seeks to criminalize aliens whose presence is known and accepted by the federal government (at least during the pendency of their status review) and thereby conflicts with and otherwise stands as an obstacle to the full purposes and objectives of Congress in providing certain forms of humanitarian relief."
4) "Arizona’s alien smuggling prohibition is preempted by federal law, including 8
U.S.C. § 1324. There are several key differences between the federal and Arizona alien
smuggling provisions that demonstrate that Arizona’s alien smuggling prohibition actually regulates conditions of unlawful presence and not smuggling at all. First, Arizona’s alien smuggling law, unlike the federal criminal provisions, is not limited to transportation that is provided “in furtherance” of unlawful immigration, but instead prohibits the knowing provision of any commercial transportation services to an alien unlawfully present in the United States. Ariz. Rev. Stat. 13-2319(A). Second, unlike federal law, Arizona’s alien smuggling law not only criminalizes the conduct of the transportation provider but has been used, in conjunction with Arizona’s conspiracy statute, to prosecute the unlawfully present alien. Third, Arizona’s smuggling provision is not targeted at smuggling across the United States’ international borders. As a result of these differences, taken both separately and in tandem, Arizona’s smuggling prohibition regulates the conditions of an alien’s entry and continued presence in the United States, by essentially banning an unlawfully present alien from using commercial transportation. Although a state is free, in certain instances, to
regulate conduct that is not regulated by the federal government, the differences between Section 4 and federal anti-smuggling law convert Arizona’s alien smuggling prohibitions into a preempted regulation of immigration. Additionally, Arizona’s smuggling prohibition will result in special, impermissible burdens for lawfully present aliens, who will predictably be impeded from using commercial transportation services due to the strictures of Section 4. Arizona’s smuggling prohibition thus conflicts with and otherwise stands as an obstacle to the full purposes and objectives of Congress in creating a comprehensive system of penalties for aliens who are unlawfully present in the United States."
5) "Section 6 makes no exception for aliens whose removability has already been
resolved by federal authorities, despite the fact that only the federal government can actually issue removal decisions. Section 6 will therefore necessarily result in the arrest of aliens based on out-of-state crimes, even if the criminal and immigration consequences of the out of-state crime have already been definitively resolved. For that reason, as with Section 2, Section 6 of S.B. 1070 interferes with the federal government’s enforcement prerogatives and will necessarily impose burdens on lawful aliens in a manner that conflicts with the purposes and practices of the federal immigration laws. Additionally, Section 6 will result in the arrest of aliens whose out-of-state crimes would not give rise to removal proceedings at all."
And most importantly,
6) "S.B. 1070 pursues only one goal – “attrition” – and ignores the many other
objectives that Congress has established for the federal immigration system. And even in pursuing attrition, S.B. 1070 disrupts federal enforcement priorities and resources that focus on aliens who pose a threat to national security or public safety. If allowed to go into effect, S.B. 1070’s mandatory enforcement scheme will conflict with and undermine the federal government’s careful balance of immigration enforcement priorities and objectives. For example, it will impose significant and counterproductive burdens on the federal agencies charged with enforcing the national immigration scheme, diverting resources and attention from the dangerous aliens who the federal government targets as its top enforcement priority. It will cause the detention and harassment of authorized visitors, immigrants, and citizens who do not have or carry identification documents specified by the statute, or who otherwise will be swept into the ambit of S.B. 1070’s “attrition through enforcement” approach. It will
conflict with longstanding federal law governing the registration, smuggling, and
employment of aliens. It will altogether ignore humanitarian concerns, such as the
protections available under federal law for an alien who has a well-founded fear of
persecution or who has been the victim of a natural disaster. And it will interfere with vital foreign policy and national security interests by disrupting the United States’ relationship with Mexico and other countries."
I could go on, or you could just read it and weep, here:
http://www.justice.gov/opa/documents/az-complaint.pdf
Oh, and fuck you, nativist.
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09/07/2011 3:28:00 PM
Red neck and damn proud of it,
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09/07/2011 3:25:00 PM
That is a hell of a thing to say for a fat ass MEXICAN huh.Long live SB1070
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Dumoudan 09/07/2011 3:22:00 PM
I guess you refer to certaim laws as being "bad laws" when you don't like them.
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09/07/2011 3:22:00 PM
Stephen lemons,IDO NOT KNOW WHY YOU STAY IN THE U.S. IF YOU CAN NOT ABIDE BY THE LAWS.Move to Mexico with the rest of the RABBLE.It seems you like these people more than AMERICANS.In the old days i think they might have called it TREASON.aLL YOU ARE DOING IS HIDING BEHIND THE RAG YOU WORK FOR.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/07/2011 4:39:00 AM
Wake up! The law is only for lowly wage slaves - corporations, banksters and government officials break the laws all the time which renders ALL LAW UNJUST AND POORLY WRITTEN if the application of the law is selective.
WWJD? THROW THE MONEY CHANGERS OUT OF THE TEMPLE! But nooooooo, we get Citizens United! Thanks Christian Right! You truly represent the lovers of humanity with your choices!
PANTS ON THE GROUND! PANTS ON THE GROUND! US CHRISTIANS GOT THEIR PANTS ON THE GROUND!
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/07/2011 4:35:00 AM
Bribing? Oh the biggest bribers are the corporations who love the slave wages. They have human rights now - why don't you go and call them racists, Crow?
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/07/2011 4:32:00 AM
Sheesh! Why is the "Like" button broke?
Where is our trollcatcher "Loushow?" Rhymes with "Crow?"
What was this original article about again? lol
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/07/2011 4:25:00 AM
Soul? AZ economy has always been screwy. The soulless have always run the economy and the state so don't put that on people who are just trying to survive - I am still evaluating politicians' true intent, hindsight. Our economy has always sucked for those of us who aren't trust fund babies and I would attribute the high suicide rate, the high child abuse rate, the high child deaths and murders to the low wages and no benefits situation caused by being a right-to-work state and exacerbated by the wedge placed by millionaires and illegals working in tandem to displace even more citizens. Add the current world economy to the mix and we are a tinder box and I've seen plenty of white boys who wanna be working and know how to roof being displaced by illegals doing the roofing jobs subsequent that last big storm and ohhh I am just waiting for the anger to spike into violence. You can't put this all on Pearce just like you can't rewrite history and blame Obama for the economy.
psshhhhhttttt! Low-wage jobs and penny ante purchases do not create that much revenue - and I think that you claiming the state of AZ is declaring war is pretty hysterical on your behalf. And as far as our federal government goes - they have excluded themselves from having any positive relevance to the citizens of these United States - they are busy with their own collective insanity and with improving their wealth status. They have relegated themselves to the sidelines with their impotence and we need to be done with all of them. They have abdicated the throne shall we say? They are toast and lots of folks are itching to roast them. So rather than seceding from the union state by state I think we states would be well advised to secede Washington DC from the union - for starters.
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09/07/2011 4:05:00 AM
See, there you go again, can't make a legitimate fact-based argument , so you resort to name calling. Your mother must be proud.
The police are not chasing landscapers, they are asking legal status WHEN THEY STOP PEOPLE IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME! Do you even live here? You obviously don't know what's going on. The cops are turning over the illegals to the INS for deportation - that is, when Napolitano et al allow them to do their job.
You didn't back up a thing - maybe you had trouble with the third grade, when I understood all of this without it being explained to me. Yes, illegals cost us billions in all sorts of services, from healthcare to jobs, welfare, food stamps and education. Here's Ron Paul explaining it for you, maybe you will understand it from him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y3zEP75kFM&NR=1
And here's an explanation of cost estimates for illegal immigration: http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
And here's Governor Haley from S Carolina on dealing with the Feds' interference of her doing her job on immigration enforcement and what it's costing them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LuR4GUHag0
There are many more resources on this subject. We live in the Information Age - if you have a computer you can research this yourself, instead of making retarded arguments.
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Crow 09/07/2011 3:36:00 AM
How stupid are you? Really. I guess I'm going to have to do this really slow for you.
I explained in pretty basic terms even a slow 9th grader could comprehend.
Why is it costing Az? Because bad laws have a tendency to do that. But don't listen to me. Check with The Arizona Chamber of Commerce who begged Pearce to back-off other immigration laws this year. They are not exactly liberals sweetheart. Ask them how much 1070 has cost this state. They were neutral when it passed and regret it openly now.
Also, who pays for the enforcement of a State law? The feds? Nope. It costs big money to put everyone in jail that is suspected of being here without papers. Thats a cop that is not keeping us safe because his hands are now tied chasing landscapers and dishwashers.
If you hate the government so much why defend a law because it looks sort of like a federal law? Maybe its you that should try "mirroring" for a while. Look in one.
You're a racist idiot and you don't even know why.
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09/07/2011 3:17:00 AM
As even my teenage son (who is not white) often says, the word is so overused, it has no meaning anymore. When you disagree with a person's opinion of how to handle a situation and the first thing you do is call them a racist, that is somehow supposed to prove your argument. It doesn't. In this case, it just proves you are ignorant. I apply the same standard and expectations to everyone, regardless of race. If you don't, that makes you the racist, doesn't it?
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Crow 09/07/2011 3:12:00 AM
You are the one who seems upset Ms. jones.
By your defination -we are all "illegals"
except for you, of course.
You seem too boring to ever have broken a law.
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09/07/2011 3:10:00 AM
If you make a claim, back it up. Where does it exceed federal law? WHY is it costing AZ? It is saving millions and lowering the crime rate, but the dems in DC who pander to these folks for votes want to make sure it costs us plenty in phony lawsuits so they can be seen as the heroes, in spite of the fact that they do everything to disrespect Latinos and betray the legal citizens of this country. You should spend some time reading the Constitution as well as federal immigration law and see how these idiots in DC use their double standard to keep people fighting like you see here. Do you really think the feds care a whit about these people? Look at what they did with the Gunrunner operation! They think they are above the law and have gotten people killed with their reckless and felonious behavior. AZ is trying hard to stay out of the same shithole that has bankrupted CA with their amnesty programs that just encourage the bleeding of an economy.
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Crow 09/07/2011 3:09:00 AM
How stupid are you? The law is unjust, poorly written and being challenged in federal court.
The only people who obey unjust laws are cowards and Fascists.
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Crow 09/07/2011 3:04:00 AM
Calling a racist a racist is the correct thing to do.
I realize racists don't like it but it doesn't matter if its true.
Pearce is a racist and the racist lobbying firm FAIR wrote this law.
They also lobbied to get it in all States. Despite all the money and bribing of politicians like Pearce-they were unsuccessful. Only 17 States ever considered it. The 2 States that passed something similar are regretting it.
Fact: White will mean you are a minority soon. The republicans want to change that.
This law through "attrition" was an attempt. Thats why Pearce hates the Dream act students so much. It makes no difference to him if they were brought here as babies.
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Crow 09/07/2011 2:51:00 AM
Mirror Federal law? Nope. You need to spend some time reading federal law.
Also, show where Russell Pearce's favorite part "attrition" is mentioned in federal law?
Arizona is a State. They cannot declare war or decide on matters that relate to other Nations.
Why doesn't Pearce care about the child abuse, deaths and murders of children in Az? It is one of the highest in the Nation and is killing many more children then undocumented immigrants are, Immigration gets way more press, tax dollars and resources (both federal and State) The State could do many things instead of cutting programs that work to fund more border nonsense.
1070 has cost this State millions in desperately needed revenue and that isn't even counting the boycotts. Pearce is proud the attrition part is working but the people leaving are mexican citizens with small businesses and families also. It is destroying our economy and our soul.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/07/2011 12:35:00 AM
Are you inviting me? Cursing me? Commanding me? Trying to say that I will get there for speaking out here? Threatening me? Lots of links on that Rubin HellHole article I intend on researching asap. Pioneering prisons for profit state? I wish I could afford a long long vacation because I feel that living in AZ is Ground Zero for a whole lot of nastiness coming at citizens from all directions - just want to know if people in other states have similar miseries, stressors, or just WTF is going on? Ugh, I need some perspective. But the kind of vaca you are talking about - oh but no - no no no thank you. A mouthy person like me would not live long there. That's OK. There are lots of jobs that have prison mentality anymore - that is what the people of the USA have been forced into for long long time now - prison mentality. And despite maintaining that incarcerated state of mind the forces against those citizen's jobs currently seem indominatable and our whole nation truthfully seems quite insane to me, starting with the crazy dances of Congress. Trickle down immorality and trickle down bullying no longer disguised or secretive - dancing their insanity shamelessly for all to see they are in such a delusional trance.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/07/2011 12:25:00 AM
oh you mean like Michelle Bachman who helped the IRS decimate generations of family owned businesses and labor as an IRS attorney who is now playing dutiful subservient Christian woman and actually shaking her booty on stage when she runs out of valid things to say, the insult to all intelligent people being paraded before us by our corporate media as VIABLE, as in the next viable puppet to parody their purpose unintentionally?
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09/06/2011 11:38:00 PM
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
This is the full text of SB1070. It clearly and consistently refers back to Federal Immigration law on every point. It does not exceed it, merely implements its practical application and is addressed specifically to probable cause and the commission of crimes. If anyone here has specific examples of how it's being misused, that may be another issue with law enforcement. I am certainly no fan of Arpaio, but this is actually a mirror of federal law as it has existed for decades and needs to be enforced if we want to ever find our way back to having a free and representative society. If not, then what lies ahead will get very ugly indeed. Some of you perhaps enjoy having your pockets picked and losing even more rights as citizens give way to looters and thugs, both in our federal socialist government and outside of it.
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09/06/2011 11:29:00 PM
A. NO OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR
17 OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY ADOPT A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
18 RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL
19 EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.
20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
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09/06/2011 11:23:00 PM
His mouth is currently too full with joes sweaty ball sack.
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09/06/2011 11:23:00 PM
so what is it, are the lazy or are the taking our jobs? you can't have both.
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09/06/2011 11:22:00 PM
Well said, the idiots will never hear you though, they are too busy trying to make up their next fact.
The sad thing is, if someone started to round these folks up simply for being stupid ass hats I would still reach out to defend them.
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Bobby 09/06/2011 11:20:00 PM
"You people are using racism (saying that they are just targeting "Mexicans") to break the law"
They sure are and they do it shamelessly, don't they?
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09/06/2011 11:18:00 PM
If the police randomly stop me for a cracked windshield, they have no right to incarcerate my passenger for not having ID.
They cannot do this because it is AGAINST THE LAW according to the CONSTITUTION.
Got it yet?
Oh wait, you're one of those "Constitutional Conservatives" aren't you?
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Bobby 09/06/2011 11:18:00 PM
You are talking about countrified in a deaming manner? Most country people, farmers,etc. know how to do real things, unlike you. They have more brains in their pinky then you have in your whole muddled by leftists head.
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09/06/2011 11:16:00 PM
If the police randomly stop me for a cracked windshield, they have no right to incarcerate my passenger for not having ID.
Got it yet?
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Bobby 09/06/2011 11:15:00 PM
A very sharp counter arguement, worthy of ignorant buffoons like yourself.
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09/06/2011 11:15:00 PM
you can't hide your racism by calling me racist.
If I'm walking in the park with my wife, and the police stop and ask us for ID, I can tell them to bugger off.
This law allows the police to then arrest me for minding my own business.
What part of illegal don't you understand.
You might want your rights taken from you, but I don't want them taken from me.
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09/06/2011 11:13:00 PM
You know what my fucking problem is? American Citizens being arrested without warrant or reason.
That's the part of illegal you don't understand.
Do what you want, but as soon as you step on my rights you can kiss the fuck off, asshole.
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09/06/2011 9:29:00 PM
You calling everyone "racist" and you are the talking the most hate!! WTF Its not that serious, you can't just post what you want to say without the hate man
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09/06/2011 9:19:00 PM
Thank You~!!!!!!!!!! It is nice to know that some people know right from wrong, and breaking the law is breaking the law bottom line:)!!!!
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09/06/2011 9:05:00 PM
His mother and his father was born here too!!! You stupid bastard!! It is not a race thing!!!!! These people ARE BREAKING THE LAW, the law which was here before me, you, and everybody else here!! So if you don't like it then, Who gives a fuck!! Who the fuck are you!! All you can do is sit at the computer and talk shit to strangers, What a pussy!!!!
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09/06/2011 8:53:00 PM
Okay dude whatever! Do wrong and you are a criminal, bottom line. Sorry if it upsets you but the law is the law and if you don't like it then that sucks to be you!!! Being here without proof makes it illegal! Why is that a problem with you people?!?!?!?!?!?
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09/06/2011 8:42:00 PM
we need more people like pearce, its time to support our laws, and get the illegals out of office, and illegals the heck out of our country....
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Anon 09/06/2011 7:50:00 PM
Pearce should simply resign, but the powers to be that control the state of Arizona won't let that happen. It's time for him to retire and let the next generation who has to pay for all his regime's damage take over.
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Anon 09/06/2011 7:48:00 PM
The AP doesn't seem to have the experienced investigative reporters they used to have.
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Anon 09/06/2011 6:41:00 PM
Many citizens call 911, fire and rescue and do not need those services, depriving those who do. Meanwhile THEY should know better but continue to waste taxpayers' $$'s. Let's see the statistics on those callers, as well.
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Anon 09/06/2011 6:37:00 PM
r, The strong feminist who has no interest in family or children describe many of the female prosecutors who are biased against women who cherish family and children.
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Anon 09/06/2011 6:35:00 PM
r, The coy, helpless female in Arizona gets arrested and thrown into jail or prison. Go visit Perryville sometime.
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Anon 09/06/2011 6:33:00 PM
r, I don't see your sons and daughters grabbing the many farmworker jobs that are available here, in CA and Georgia, while the produce prices are skyrocketing in the grocery stores.
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Anon 09/06/2011 6:30:00 PM
Guest, Well said. Their method of operation is as transparent as saran wrap. They are a sick and disturbing gang who are self-destructing the state of Arizona. The AP may no longer be able to afford good investigative reporters.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst 09/06/2011 6:13:00 PM
. If a crime is committed against a citizen, most often the citizen never gets justice because most citizens cannot afford to get an attorney. Illegals claim to be victims of crimes based on just their say-so and no physical evidence and they are given free legal representation and win huge amounts of money based on unproven and unprovable charges and at least one of those cases was written about here. Citizens get ripped off in small business constantly and also by the huge multi-nationals. They never have a prayer of justice or restitution. Take a look around.
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09/06/2011 6:04:00 PM
You forgot one - loushow: Tries to marginalize people she doesn't know by demeaning their opinions and even their very existence - all because she disagrees with them and has no intelligent counter-argument. Somehow thinks that open borders, surrendering citizens' rights to criminals, and calling anyone who dares to disagree a "racist" ends any legitimate argument. Clueless.
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JesusHChrist 09/06/2011 3:22:00 PM
"They get free legal which for citizens only our criminal class gets for the most part - the rest of us are denied justice at all unless we are wealthy."
Huh? They get a public defender if they've committed a crime and can't afford a lawyer. And you get exactly the same thing if you commit a crime. No difference.
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JesusHChrist 09/06/2011 3:20:00 PM
"h and my husband is Mexican-American and born here..." So your husband is an anchorbaby and his parents are lawbreakers? Interesting...BTW, you can be black and still be a hypocrite.
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JesusHChrist 09/06/2011 3:18:00 PM
Are you one of those suitcase nativists I read about? I reckon ol Lou was going for some countrified language. I'll give ya that one "rest," but on everything else, ur fullovit.
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JesusHChrist 09/06/2011 3:13:00 PM
"The law says that anyone who breaks it, is a criminal!"
Wrong. The law doesn't say that. If you get a ticket for speeding, are you a criminal? If you're late renewing the registration on your car, or filing your taxes, are you a criminal?
Not all violations of the law are equal, sister. Overstaying your visa is not the same as murder, or theft or anything like it.
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09/06/2011 10:49:00 AM
Okay sure whatever! Only 39% are paying taxes. The rest are being paid under the table and no taxes are coming from that!! And yes these people do get social security!
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09/06/2011 10:40:00 AM
Well for one moron, i'm Black-American!! Second, I have a job! And Third if you stupid motherfuckers want to work so bad then try going back and cleaning up your third world shit-hole country!! And yeah only 30%-45% come here to work the rest of them are CRIMINALS!!!! Oh and my husband is Mexican-American and born here, and feels that illegal aliens need to do it the right way !! You must be a coward pussy who still suck on their mom's sagging titties and can only have a back bone online!!! Go Figure!!!
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/06/2011 10:14:00 AM
Illegals have more rights than citizens in the workplace and in the courts. They get free legal which for citizens only our criminal class gets for the most part - the rest of us are denied justice at all unless we are wealthy. Some of the bogus lawsuits I have seen them file, and win! OMG! If any citizen even tried to file these kinds of suits with some of the no evidence but my say so and my best friends' say so - we would never even land an attorney! But oh no, the illegals have won huge judgements based on their say-so with no reliable witnesses! Tell me what other nations on the planet bends over like this for illegals on their soil?
PANTS ON THE GROUND! PANTS ON THE GROUND! US CITIZENS GOT THEIR PANTS ON THE GROUND!
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/06/2011 10:05:00 AM
I am fighting the cartoon characterization of the illegal Mexican who only comes here to work - with the truth. Some of the most rabid defenders of the illegal Mexican Civil Rights to illegally be here and illegally take jobs that belong to citizens first have never even met a Mexican, much less an illegal one. I like that dontchakno though.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/06/2011 10:02:00 AM
huh?
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/06/2011 10:00:00 AM
The quotation marks have a meaning. I'm quoting the spelling of your good buddy loony loushow. Are you one of those suitcase trolls I read about?
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09/06/2011 9:06:00 AM
Like I said their is a legal way to be here bottom line! You people are using racism ( saying that they are just targeting "Mexicans") to break the law! The majority of people who are here(in Arizona) illegally are Mexican. If there were any other race doing it they would target that group of people as well! I find it funny that they aren't even citizens and they are mad cause the police arresting them for BREAKING THE LAW; but here I am a Black-American citizen (haven't done anything wrong to get arrested my whole life! And still haven't been yet.) and its okay for the police to racial profile me!?! But hey I shouldn't go there cause everybody else can use the "race card" and its suppose to be okay!?!?!!!!
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09/06/2011 8:57:00 AM
The law says that anyone who breaks it, is a criminal! Sorry if that upsets you. I'm not trying to upset anyone, the only thing i'm saying is there a legal way to be in this country and it would be easier if they just did it that way.
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JesusHChrist 09/06/2011 5:19:00 AM
I know many people who have been criminally victimized by U.S. citizens - and yes raped, and yes killed. [The vast majority of victims in the U.S. are victimized by U.S. citizens, dontchakno.] Your implication that anybody who states that U.S. citizens commit crimes needs to see a psychiatrist is a real cheap shot. Ignorant, classless and shows inferior intellect attempting to appeal to other inferior intellects. [Like restitutiontouscitizensfirst!]
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JesusHChrist 09/06/2011 5:16:00 AM
Nice self-hatred there, "rest." Question is: Who gives a flying fuck about your retard relatives? Go see a shrink, you pussy. And it's "porch monkey" not "poach monkey." Man are you rightwingers fucking dumb.
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JesusHChrist 09/06/2011 5:05:00 AM
"Illegals have no civil rights." Wrong again, asshole. Under the constitution, they enjoy most of the civil rights citizens have. Not all, but most. The Bill of Rights speaks of rights enjoyed by "the people." And, during a criminal trial, illegal aliens enjoy most of the rights of the accused: Trial by jury; no double jeopardy; right against self-incrimination; and so on.
See the quote below from the Supreme Court's 1982 Plyler v. Doe decision.
Know why idiots like "restitution" never cite legal documents? 1) because theyre dumbasses and 2) they can't find any to back up their mothafuckin lies.
" The illegal aliens who are plaintiffs in these cases challenging the statute may claim the benefit of the Equal Protection Clause, which provides that no State shall "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Whatever his status under the immigration laws, an alien is a "person" in any ordinary sense of that term. This Court's prior cases recognizing that illegal aliens are "persons" protected by the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, which Clauses do not include the phrase "within its jurisdiction," cannot be distinguished on the asserted ground that persons who have entered the country illegally are not "within the jurisdiction" of a State even if they are present within its boundaries and subject to its laws. Nor do the logic and history of the Fourteenth Amendment support such a construction. Instead, use of the phrase "within its jurisdiction" confirms the understanding that the Fourteenth Amendment's protection extends to anyone, citizen or stranger, who is subject to the laws of a State, and reaches into every corner of a State's territory. "
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=usgovinfo&cdn=newsissues&tm=91&f=00&tt=2&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl%3Fcourt%3DUS%26vol%3D457%26invol%3D202
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/06/2011 3:00:00 AM
Well tell it to the African-Americans who are starting their own schools. Tell that to the African-Americans who wish they could have gone to Howard University and wear their t-shirts stating "The Blacker the College, the Sweeter the Knowledge" to work inflicting racism on all "because they can" and management dares not say a thing. Racism is racism is racism and hate is hate is hate no matter the source. Illegals have no civil rights. This is not a civil rights or racism issue. If the illegals were white and the majority of the nation white it would not be a race issue and we would still have SB1070. But you are colorblinded and weak minded so race is all you can see. Actually, in case you haven't noticed, Hispanics are classified as white by the federal government and as far as I know always have been. It is the Hispanics themselves who like to play it both ways depending on the situation, similar to how women would play the coy helpless female or the strong feminist depending on whichever would get them what they wanted best.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/06/2011 2:37:00 AM
I know many people who have been criminally victimized by illegals - and yes raped, and yes killed. Your implication that anybody who states that illegal aliens commit crimes needs to see a psychiatrist is a real cheap shot. Ignorant, classless and shows inferior intellect attempting to appeal to other inferior intellects.
Even the 911 First Responders are classified as mentally ill, because the government does not want to pay for their health care so for me I have gotten to the point that it is a huge red flag of not only inferior intellect but that you have come to the fight with no weapons at all. Years ago it was known that the evil Soviet Union put intellectual dissidents in mental hospitals or "re-education camps" but here in the US today everybody who has something valid to say is instantly marginalized with that same cheap shot, for decades now. Can't you be a little more creative in your assault on truth?
yup, just another "poach" monkey with a shotgun.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/06/2011 2:25:00 AM
I am embarassed and humiliated by the weaklings in my family who succumb to pressure to speak accented English due to the negative pressure they feel from the Mexican community to identify themselves as like them - fresh across the line without any of the advantages they have had as US citizens and needing to pretend that English is their second language instead of their first. Just as I am embarassed by my African descent relations, raised in Europe, comes to the US and has to pick up Ebonics to be accepted. Just as I am embarassed by the hillbillies that were raised in NYC. It is their shame, their weakness, but somehow I am embarassed for them that their self-identity is so weak that they feel it necessary to do this. It is also a painful reflection on US culture at large and the fact that the pride our ancestors felt has been purposely destroyed by powerful forces that have no respect for human life or any morality but their bottom line financial gain - we have been duped and used for generations and the fact that plain old assimilated USAmerican is no longer acceptable or sufficient for social acceptance is our behavior exemplifying that part of each and every one of us which knows that what I am saying is true.
Or hey, rather than using sudo sike-ology why don't you present a better theory to explain this phenomenon?
That does not make me a "poach" monkey with a shotgun. It is also a very effective, truthful and very accurate portrayal of the negative pressure placed on the community at large by the illegal brown power movement. Those who are not lazy-minded can figure out who the bullies are.
This has been done before - it is an old trick of the very wealthy manipulators. But when we faced these issues in the past we did not self-sabotage with a social conscience towards the others at the expense of our own. That is a relatively new invention in terms of human history.
So your friend "Jesus H Christ" twitted your face to come help him out?
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09/06/2011 1:45:00 AM
LIST OF TROLLS IN THIS THREAD
Jonelle Jones: Simplistic. Uses Keyword “criminal”. Can’t recognize Civil Disobedience.
Schwartz Mary: Also employing “criminals”. Sees no other issue.
Restitutiontouscitizensfirst!: Probably a real poster. Employing the “They Took Our Jobs!” Offense, yet even citizens won’t or can’t take certain jobs. Angry local idiot with a shotgun, sittin’ on his front poach. Also doesn’t like the sound of Native Spanish Speakers botching up the English Language.
Ajincali: Pro SB1070, yet ignores collateral damage. Makes large claims but offers no proof. “Never, never, never” learns.
Pasquale: Probably not his real name. Repeats the “criminal” mantra.
RJ: Another plant. Tries to validate SB1070 with the “criminals should be deported” cry. Goes to the extreme by assuming someone on the Left is automatically racist. Shame!
Tazzz: More of the “criminal” mantra. Ho Hum.
Mrgrnjn: Same as above.
Chip: Good attempt by implying that “criminal” “illegals” don’t have the right to be civilly disobedient . . . as if only citizens have the right to disobedient. Bit Hypocrite, this one.
1080Supporter: Off the deep end with “Have you ever had an illegal break into your home and rape your sister?” No. Have you? (I hope you are seeing a Psychiatrist, for this and other things. Many other things.)
Sweetmama14: Probably fictitious. Attempts to explain how SB1070 is really not racist . . . not really, despite all reports . . . it’s not really, really racist. Not really. Nope.
CT: Thinks that it is only the undocumented, the non-citizens, who suck money out of the treasuries . . . excludes those lazy citizens. Uses loaded terms to assume “illegals” are “lazy”.
Catmando: Probably real, but toothless. Creatively uses “law breakers” instead of “criminals”. Employs typical mantra question “What if one broke in you YOUR house?” Gee. Did one break into yours? I doubt it in a pig’s eye.
Idoleantotheleft: Natavist who can’t tell his Left from his Right.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/06/2011 12:46:00 AM
whoa whoa whoa! Xenophobia and ignorance? Now why is it that we now have several generations of US born and raised Mexican descent citizens whose first language was English and who spoke it perfectly, some for 5 plus decades of life but now they have to put on a Mexican-Spanish accent and punctuate with slang terms in order to be accepted in their own community? Now exactly who is pressuring who here? Whose negative pressure, ignorance, hatred of everything Euro that is sustaining them, has sustained them, created the nation they have not fled from and is inclusive of the EUROPEAN Spanish language but oh no - and you know they are so weak as to succumb to the pressure to pretend they are uneducated, just came across the line or whatever and speak Spanglish or heavily accented English or whatever you want to call it. I am humiliated that my relatives are among that number. However, that right there is proof of who is the bully and who the negative pressure is coming from.
US taxpayer dollars have built much infrastructure in Mexico - just to protect our own citizens from your pollution - like sewage - waterworks etc because you poor incompetent narco-terrorists are so good at crime or whine but not infrastructure - we had to do it for you just to protect our own! Poor Poor Mexicans - but oh they have a case of beer every night! Even today US government tax dollars helps citizens of Mexico, in Mexico while poor US citizens go lacking and even dying for lack of the same medical care that their tax dollars gives for free IN MEXICO! Even in this economy businesses brag about how they scored the federal money and how they helped in Mexico - totally blind to the domestic need? or intentionally inciting the U'S citizens to revolt in every conceivable manner? So QUIT with your use of a 3 dollar word. The rest of your argumentation shows it is the only 3 dollar word you know.
The OP did not say not to answer to people who are victims of a crime but is trying to point out to you that many US citizens die while we take care of the illegals in our midst and we are sick of it. As I pointed out in other post - the US is held to higher standard by the world than other nations and we are forced to care for the illegals in our midst and because there is only so much money citizens die every time we care for you and yes for some of us our relatives died because your medical care was paid for. Yes we resent you, our government, your original government and the employers that made you comfortable here for causing the deaths of our loved ones. We are the disenfranchised ones. You can leave anytime you like. We cannot and you damn well know it. You would probably go on murderous rampage had these things happened to you just as you are threatening murderous rampage in the next 5 years. The Arizona Republic used to cover this topic on the front page of the paper years ago before internet and before this issue got so hot. Yes, many citizens have died and children been orphaned or motherless or fatherless because AHCCCS Administration was forced to choose between citizen or illegal and they repeatedly chose illegal. We are sick of it. This is NOT a race issue. It is a common sense issue. Only so much $ in, only so much money out. And you refusing to negotiate. Refusing to be able to see both sides of the issue. Just like a 2 year old who needs his fathers' hand on his hind parts not like a reasonable adult. Therefore I begin to judge Mexican people and culture inferior.
The people that make it a race issue have financial interest in doing so. They want all the wages lowered, more profit for them. They do not want to pay the cost for any employees insurance or care or even to pay enough that the employee can put their child in daycare while they work - so it is intriguing that these same big money corporate interests are driving us to a government nanny state by their own profit demands but the government cannot pick up the tab with the pittance of income from low wage taxpayers. Face it - they just don't want humans anymore. They had a recovery without us and the same will happen to you. While you were sleeping in this Matrix of racist beliefs the whole game has been changed and you will never find your place unless you recognize the truth that this racist game is a lie created to divide and conquer - it is not the truth and you will find all this effort is for nothing.
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09/06/2011 12:28:00 AM
I don't care how the story was worded. The people who were arrested are CRIMINALS, trying to support CRIMINALS,(illegal aliens). I just wish they would have gotten more time in jail & larger fines.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/05/2011 10:55:00 PM
oH PLEASE! We took care of that a few pages back. It's been settled. And if we LIKED the TEa Party or the FAIR we would not still need to voice our dissent so don't paint me with that tarnished brush! Tea Party are a bunch of elitists who are appalled they might be forced to live with the same misery many of us have always suffered! They thought they were better than us. They never cared about these things before when it didn't affect them, the recently acquired a conscience for the first time in their lives idiots and all those who placate them. Honestly they seem stupid to me. And the candidates are all extremely insulting except for maybe the Ron Paul. What the superhighway slut? The former IRS attorney? The former Federal Reserve Bankster? The religious right that believes that God appoints all of these thieves and Satan wouldn't? The religious ones who quit asking WWJD? Cuz they might finally have to give an answer? like um. . . . . THROW THE MONEY CHANGERS OUT OF THE TEMPLE!
I'd like to get paid for posting here? Who would pay me? Is there anybody I missed yet?
Maybe you are the straw-man Scaredy-Crow!
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/05/2011 10:41:00 PM
The scapegoat are the citizens who used to hold those jobs. The permanently BLACK, the white "trailer trash," the "pond scum" and all other citizens who used to hold those jobs but your broken brain thinks it is better to give those jobs to someone from another country and leave the citizens with no job, no income, no benefits, and you want to throw them away if they weren't smart enough to become a dotcom specialist or rocket scientist - YOU are the prejudice one and your brain is so twisted that you don't even know who the real SCAPEGOATS are!
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/05/2011 10:37:00 PM
Welcome to Maywood, Mexico - HUMAN EVENTS
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37671
Maywood, CA Plans To Disband ALL City Services
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/23/maywood-ca-plans-to-disba_n_622098.html
Maywood to lay off all city employees, dismantle Police Department
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/06/sheriffs-dept-to-patrol-maywood-while-city-employees-now-face-lay-offs.html
Lou Dobbs - Mexican flag raised in Maywood, California
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIB_XGRm6UQ
Mexicans and Illegals Take Over Maywood CA Post Office and Raise Mexican Flag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r518cKBt8b0
Is Maywood, California The Most Corrupt And Racist City In America?
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002142.html
As always, the last is the best, and we can see that the predictions are coming true with many "minorities" full of desire for revenge for something that may or may not have happened to their great great granddaddy.
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restitutiontouscitizensfirst! 09/05/2011 10:15:00 PM
The illegals come to the border in their old age, having put all property in their adult children's names, they know exactly what to say to get into our system, their government publishes how, and then they receive more in monthly benefits than a Mexican descent American that has worked here all their life! "Furriners" are refugees - they get much more than a citizen that paid into it all their life because our bleeding hearts made it so. I say our bleeding hearts have bleeding brains and blood on their hands too - the blood of their USA neighbors! So they SHOULD remain illegal but suddenly they get legal. And most of us think that should be illegal and that our government should be prosecuted for this. Canada has same problem. Ditto England, only their bleeding hearts have fostered the Muslims that live in Council houses and keep popping out babies while Dad rails against England on the street, in the mosque, on the radio. This is a world government thing - intentionally setting people against each other for divide and conquer. Seems to be a problem with English speaking nations cuz France had no problem deporting the Romany back to Romania and other points and the Italians have no qualms putting the Algerians back to Algiers or the Albanians back to Albania. Turkey has no problem bombing their neighbors that might be a threat. Only English speaking nations have this idea that it is good to kill ones own in order to save a stranger. Russia and China? Do we really even know?
So yes, FAIR and CIS are correct, this is merely a technicality - just like when a gummint entity gets busted for employing illegals - always some technicality and presto chango! They are legal. Meanwhile the citizens who used to have those positions that paid benefits as well - they are missing those jobs but it is just shifting of costs. Now those citizens are struggling, dying, marginalized on public dole or living in extreme hardship due to not qualifying and ridiculed by our oh so civilized bleeding hearts who choose to despise them and replace them with "other" rather than actually have any insight to their situation. The poor will always be with us. Even the Bible tells us so. But the contemporary public conscience prefers to kill domestic poor of all colors in exchange for foreign poor - they have no heart for their own - is it kind of like gourmet food? They think that to support foreign poor gives them a badge of cultural literacy and we will just shove the killing of domestic poor under the table? It is an inconvenient truth?
Those illegals that work without benefits get on AHCCCS/Medicaid. The US still pays them benefits - a human being still has certain costs of life that are not negotiable - its just questionable accounting as far as the ethics goes and as far as anything actually saved goes - the cost is borne domestically - Mexico doesn't give us a decent price on oil or produce as thanks for all of theirs that we employ, educate, medicate, house, incarcerate, etc. They are ungrateful and why should they be civilized - so many bleeding hearts and broken brains support giving till it hurts - the hurting part is the genocide part. The humans that are not getting what they need are the citizens, and especially the seniors and some children. It is not a handout - the government forcibly borrowed for decades and now they prove themselves to be thieves because they cannot give it back - they cannot hold up their end of the bargain they forced us into.
It is not entitlement - it is OUR money to begin with! We paid into it all these years. It was FORCIBLE- not a choice. Then once they bankrupted it with their wars, (the original calculations didn't account for sticky fingers illegally dipping in where they don't belong) - now suddenly we should invest in the stock market, and before that could get put in place WHOOPS! didn't act fast enough to force us to prop up the stock market with our retirement $. Furthermore, employers, knowing there was Social Security, did not pay people enough to save in any other way BUT to know that at least they had their Social Security thanks to Uncle Sam. Especially RightToWork state employers like in AZ. Listen to the talking heads like Barry Young and Rush Limbaugh - if you are poor and did not make a fortune in your life they marginalize you with extreme disdain as inferior person but they don't ever want anybody to even be paid enough to keep a roof over their heads much less accrue the personal resources to break out and excel. They act like trust fund babies that don't understand that living has costs associated with it that are not optional. I sorely miss just the facts kind of news.
Yes I can prove - Ask my NANA! Oh that's right. She is dead. After working here all her life the healthplan screwed her over in old age and yes they did kill her and of course we cannot prove it - but care was denied and she died as result- that is what happens to our old even if they are wealthy and famous. If it isn't a greedy insurance company somebody always wants something from the old one and our seniors are murdered constantly with impunity.
And yes government buying power means that they don't pay for Rx any price the company arbitrarily chooses to set. Just like stores have buying power depending on their size. Any other government on the planet sanely negotiates for good deals for our citizens but the US government sucked up to Big Pharma - any price they want. It is already clear that the high prices paid by citizens for their Rx means that the US citizens are subsidizing affordable Rx for the rest of the planet. I know this because I know people from other nations and what they pay there for the same Rx. I know people who travel between their home nation and the US and get their Rx in both nations and they are quick to want to show we citizens how badly we are getting screwed.
So why would anybody want to abandon their home nation to be a US citizen? They don't. They know US people are getting screwed. That is why they don't want to assimilate anymore. That is why they want to keep their dual citizenship or just work for a season and go home. They are happy to take anything we freely give, like jobs, education, food, etc., but in the end they don't want to get screwed like US people get screwed and that is why the US government keeps sweetening the deal for them and them only because our Ponzi scheme financial system requires constant new bodies.
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09/05/2011 9:11:00 PM
Are you insane? EVERY single immigrant needs to abide by the same laws, period. You're just making shit up. Ugh.
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09/05/2011 9:08:00 PM
The reason we have so many work visas given out in this country is because we have a shortage of highly skilled tech industry workers in our population. In case you haven't been paying attention, it's all going in this direction. And the few skilled workers we do have end up moving to areas where work is available, such as New York, San Francisco and Chicago. Arizona does little to attract technology companies because it's not a welcoming place for change and because the population here is under-skilled due to a poor education system and a population that's generally not very welcoming to outsiders, whether they're from another country or another state.
Sending home all of the H1 visas holders would just kick us lower down the ladder when it comes to being competitive with other countries.
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JesusHChrist 09/05/2011 8:31:00 PM
Puto in your pants, po-boy. I'm with ya on Big Pharma. But re: ur whinin about gubmint handouts, pick a lane, doofus. On the one hand gubmint help is bad, but u want gubmint "buying power applied on behalf of our sick and elderly." See, ur all about the handout as long as ur gettin it. Piss on everyone else.
The illegals don't get gubmint welfare. They can't. End of story. Even anti-illegal orgs like FAIR and CIS admit this. If u disagree, show proof. No assumptions. Just cuz u say it dont make it so.
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Marcos From Mesa 09/05/2011 7:26:00 PM
".....calling the police, fire or rescue. Using these services as an illegal is theft. They do not pay taxes, therefore they are stealing."
So if your house is on fire and some concerned person who may be here without papers or have an expired student or work visa calls the fire department-that call should be ignored?
What if your daughter is getting gang-raped by a Mexican drug cartel or a white supremacist gang? Should the police hang up on the person calling if they don't meet your requirements?
Ignorance and xenophobia go hand in hand. You prove it with your stupidity.
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Crow 09/05/2011 6:59:00 PM
160 comments and most aren't even about this article. Notice all the paid trolls and posters here? They are too cowardly to debate the article or it's topic. Instead they make up straw-man arguments to defend the corporate interests backing the Tea Party and FAIR lobbyists interests. They know the article is true and cannot debate on merit. Most of them don't even live in Arizona.
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JesusHChrist 09/05/2011 6:49:00 PM
Is them 88's you're throwin around "88" as in neo-Nazi shorthand for "Heil Hitler"?
If so, wish you'd follow ur hero's lead and suck on a pistol.
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Guest 09/05/2011 6:47:00 PM
Passing SB1070 had nothing to do with trying to solve immigration problems. The real reason for pushing SB1070 was political; the goal was to see that Republicans won the governorship and took control of the AZ legislature in 2010. SB1070 has already done tremendous damage to Arizona's economy just as a similar law passed in Virginia decimated theirs. See www.9500liberty.com/synopsis.html Mr. Lemons should be commended for countering the disinformation campaign surrounding immigration which prevents any real solutions. Our immigration laws are broken and need to be fixed; stooping to the persecution of people with brown skin does nothing to solve the problem. We are only shooting our economy in the foot. We have already lost somewhere around 150,000 hispanics who shopped in our stores and paid sales taxes and who paid rent part of which went to fund our schools. Our intolerance and hatred will be our undoing. We should be looking at the real culprits in our economic downturn: terrible policies leading to an anemic economy, increased unemployment, people dying for lack of healthcare etc.Look up the word SCAPE GOAT. The scape goat is never the real problem; it's what unethical people use to cover up their crimes. While you are all cursing at the scape goat, your pocket is being picked from behind. Wise up before it's too late.
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Stacy 09/05/2011 6:12:00 PM
Rosa Parks was arrested for protesting discrimination. I am glad she did what she did.
Sometimes we need to speak out when we know that laws are bad.. some laws are bad and need to be repealed, like segregation in schools or sitting in the back of the bus or SB1070.
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JesusHChrist 09/05/2011 6:10:00 PM
Fuck you, Jonelle Jones. Get off your lazy white ass and get a job. You crackers are always beggin 4 handouts. The brown folk would rather work for a livin.