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Feedback from the Issue of Thursday, August 13, 2009

TEARDOWN TOWN

Like 1984 all over again: To ASU President Michael Crow: Which is more sustainable, which is greener, which uses less energy? Renovating, reusing, and recycling existing buildings or tearing them down and building anew ("Greek Ruins," Robrt L. Pela, July 30)?

The ideas and ideals you're pushing have the same air of ignorance about them that our government's "Cash for Clunkers" program has — that "old" means "inefficient" and that "new" (plus debt) means "green."

What kind of Orwellian doublethink is this?
Andrew L. Ayers, Glendale

Let the frats renovate: It's a shame what Michael Crow is doing to ASU's fraternities. Greek life brings tradition, honor, and true bonds that nothing else in life can bring. Fraternities have been the greatest experience of my life, and I feel it's an outrage by Crow to try to shut them down and rebuild.

ASU's old architecture keeps it unique and is a main attraction. ASU should allow fraternities to feel confident that they will be able to stay for the long run and that money will be reinvested to fund renovations of the treasured landmarks.
Al Michaels, Tempe



KILL CRAZY

Harold Fish paid his debt to society: Shooting an unarmed man is never the right thing to do, especially in macho Arizona ("Right to Kill," Stephen Lemons, July 30). What would any of us have done under similar circumstances with an allegedly crazed younger guy coming at us? Who knows?

I think Harold Fish did the appropriate amount of jail time for what he did. What he did was wrong, and he paid for it. A jury decided his fate, and he got out of prison, fair and square. I think [Arizona Attorney General] Terry Goddard should leave well enough alone.

Why put an elderly guy, who's surely learned his lesson doing hard time, back in the slammer? Doesn't make sense.
John McGhee, Phoenix



A simple case of self-defense: In the case of Harold Fish's shooting Grant Kuenzli, I feel it was self-defense. I know that if I were in the woods by myself and had the potential to be attacked by a man and three dogs, I would have done the same thing.

If Grant would've had his dogs under control or had some sanity, this would've never happened. Also, Harold did not shoot the dogs. It sounds to me that he was just trying to avoid hurting the dogs or being attacked by the dogs.

What do you think would've happened if Harold hadn't shot Grant? Would Grant be on trial because he and his dogs attacked a man? You shouldn't have to fight for your life because someone else is an asshole.

In my opinion, Harold Fish should [stay] free. What is this world coming to when a man cannot defend the life that God gave him?
Travis Mangus, Surprise

Invoking Duke: John Wayne said it best [in Rio Bravo]: "Man gets shot who has a gun, there's room for reasonable doubt. Man gets shot without a gun, what else would you call it [but murder]?"
Kenneth Jaeger, Phoenix

Typically liberal: The gentleman had a gun that protected him from the victim's dogs. He didn't kill the dogs; he dispersed them. Then after he had clearly demonstrated he was armed, the victim charged him? My thought would have been, "He thinks he has something that trumps a pistol!"

This is a typical liberal article coming from one of the most left-wing rags in Phoenix.
G.T. Hildebrand, Phoenix

I'd expect to go to jail: The Bird makes a good point: Why the hell did Harold Fish need to shoot the guy three times over an incident involving dogs that were no longer a threat? And if they were a threat, why didn't he shoot the dogs, and not the man?

Like I've always said about myself, if I'd ever have a gun on me — or around — and I'd even perceive a threat, I would shoot somebody. And I would expect to go to jail if that person were unarmed.

Using the logic that Fish's advocates use, would it be kosher to shoot somebody in traffic because he gave you the finger and might use his car as a battering ram to kill you? There will be those in gun-nut-laden Arizona who will argue that even in such a traffic incident, it would be correct to shoot to kill. Sad.
Robert Porter, Phoenix

Victim did not call off the dogs: Many of you will remember the training that you received to get a concealed-weapon permit (this training content was dictated by the state of Arizona):

When threatened, a person can shout at the assailant to stop and drop his weapon. We were instructed not to give a warning shot or shoot to wound. If the assailant does not stop his threatening behavior, the correct procedure is to shoot twice at his torso to prevent bodily injury to yourself.

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